Post: #176

(01-03-2017 11:07 AM)Prince Charming Wrote:  Goals for this trip

0) Decide if I permanently want to move to Colombia. After almost a decade of traveling I am starting to think of settling down and the winter is just to much for me in Canada. Medellin is currently at the top of the list and I am hoping to have made a decision by March to put my condo in Toronto up for sale in april.

1) Girls girls girls(online,day,night game)

2) Get conversational in spanish (all dates in spanish. finish all lvls pimsler spanish by the time I leave. spanish lessons starting in feb. 1 month no english only spanish at end of trip)

3) Get comprehensive understanding of Medellin real estate market and look for apartments to buy.

4) Make local and expat friends and connections (social and business)

0) So I definitely want to move to Medellin, all things considered its a great place. Almost made a offer on a penthouse but I had bad timing with putting my Toronto pad on the market and have not got an offer I want to accept yet. Going back home to my hot 19 y.o. gf who wants to have my baby might change my mind, until the winter comes at least.

1) So I have banged about 40 or so paisas now. Crushed it on online game and some good results form day game. Didnt do much night game as I was always busy with gfs or dates and options are limited outside of thursday-saturday. I think I got flaked on around 300-400 times since January lol. I have certainly adapted. I became a ruthless ass hole in some ways but kinder and sweeter in others. I also fell in love =)

2) So I would say I am on the cusp of being conversational in Spanish. Outside of practicing on my many many dates I totally bailed on my goals here. Didnt do any pimsler, little dualingo, no classes, and no 100% immersion. Having said that, I feel very confident that I will be able to become fluent with time and that the language barrier is not something that will stop me from living a fulfilling life in Medellin. Also I plan to take classes online with a private tutur and some dualingo while back home this time.

3) So I visited tons of places for sale in poblado and a few in laureles ranging from 250milion to 2.2billion cop. Saw some really nice penthouses in this range that would sell for up to 100million USD in other major cities like HK. Got a good idea of what a decent price is. Starting around 500k USD there are some really nice pads available. Close to Golden mile on the north east side of santa fe is prob the ideal spot to buy imo

4) So I mainly spent my time with Colombian girls I was banging I slacked a bit on social circle building but I see no problems doing so when living here.

Post: #177

Medellin Data sheet;

Thoughts about the GIRLS in Medellin

- Girls are much more superficial here. Just having good looks or wealth will get you further than in most places.

- Appearances are important for both girls and guys. lots of girls workout, have good style are good at makeup and get plastic surgery to making themselves look prettier than they are to compete with each other. For guys its important to dress well, long pants dress shirt, be well groomed, smell nice to compete.

- This same emphasis on superficial appearances manifests in behavior and cultural norms as well. Girls will give you their number because it is impolite to say no. Girls will agree to go on dates they have no intention to show up to because it is impolite to say no

- Lies and dishonesty, are much more prevalent here, not just from the girls side. They are also better at it on average. Another manifestation of the above point of emphasis on appearances imo.

- Age does not matter as much to girls and the average age difference of couples is much greater than in north america. I definitely see myself crushing it here with hot 20 year olds well into my 40s.

- 99% of hot girls are some form of gold digger here. This applies to all the hot girls, doesnt matter if you met her online, in the street, the mall, in a club or at church. This ranges from hardcore prostitutes at one end to girls that just expect the man to pay for every thing at the other end. You can sleep with these girls with just money or looks but you can really hook them with good game.

I am going to talk about my main girlfriend here since I got to know her really well and we spent a lot of time together. I would say she is the typical hot girl here. Goes to school, works part time but gets most of her money from men.

Met her online, she does not respond to my message a few times but I reengage and get her number. She does not respond much for about a month ignoring every time I ask her out. One random day she responds more and I get her out that night for drinks and dancing, Because she is hot she has enough money for her own cab, I pay the drinks. things go well but she does not pull. She ignores me mostly for about two weeks after that first date. She tell me after she did not like me that much on the first date and was not planning to see me again but because I was so persistent she finally agreed to go out again. Second date I take her out for dinner and we bang. I like her a lot so plan to make her fall in love with me. I fuck her good and emotionally engage with her.

She starts sleeping over 1 or two nights a week slowly falling for me. She breaks up with me twice over the next two months. Both times I dont disengage and instead use it as a opportunity to tell her how much I want her, and step into the negative emotions that I am feeling so she can feel them too thus hooking her further. Every time she starts invests more emotionally and financially into our relationship. At some point I sit her down for a talk. I know she is still talking to other guys online/whatsapp. I tell her I know she really likes me but is still searching for other guys. She denies at first. I tell her I have lots of experience, That I know more whats going on than she knows. She get super quite and in her head. I stay really relaxed and tell her I accept her for who she is and that I love her.

Fast forward to my last weekend here. She comes over, gives me my weekly gift, a V neck sweater this time. Says she has reservations for us. pays 130k for a nice dinner for us. Next day I have to move out of my room cause my month is up and they want 140k for 1 night I tell her I was thinking of just getting a hostel. She says she will pay for half my room so we can stay together the last night. I tell her I have to leave at 6am but she insists. That night she is crying in my arms saying how much she loves me and will miss me.

WHERE to Meet girls in Medellin

- During the day You can find the hottest girls in EAFIT university, santa fe mall, Rio sur and along golden mile. Best time to day game is like 4-6pm. All these spots are in Poblado and it is harder to game there than other parts of the city.

- At night you can find the hottest girls in the greater area around parque lleras friday and saturday night. Note the girls right at parque lleras are mostly prostitutes the 3-5 blocks around are better. Rio sur is also good and has some mid week options.

- Easier and only slightly less hot girls can be found on la 70 walking between UPB university and estadio metro.

- On that note any major street between a university (there are many) and the closest metro station is great for day game

- All metro stations are decent for day game.

- la 70 is decent for night game friday/sat

- all university campuses and shopping malls are decent for day game

- Parque Cuidad del rio is good for day game on sundays if its nice weather


HOW to meet date girls in Medellin

- Gets lots of numbers. If you are talking with a girls even if its just 30sec, ask for her insta or whatsapp. She will likely give it

- open in english or spanish but after that its easier to have the convo in spanish

- go direct

- double book dates, the flakes are real.

- dont think about girls or invest to much, just keep asking them out. if she flakes you should not even notice.

- If a girl says she is free a certain day or time or suggests a place agree to do it even if you are busy then or want a different spot. You can always flake or change the plan later when she is more invested

- If you want it easy tell the girl you will pay her taxi and take her to a nice restaurant. Warning this will not screen out prostitutes!

- Before a meet it is important to actively txt the girl or she will flake because she thinks you are flaking.

- Be very physical and affectionate.

- Never suggest the first meet at your pad but close by and you can go for the pull very quick with a excuse like, listen to music, dance, cook, watch movie

- most resistance is token, go for the close at your pad, be unattached to the outcome and persistant

- Every girl will fuck without a condom. More reason to use one.

Post: #178

Some good info and some bad. It surprises me that in so much time in Medellin you didn't really figure it out.

99% of hot girls are not gold diggers. The fact that you say your "girlfriend" is the typical hot girl shows that you didn't figure it out. The fact you met her online to start is not typical. The fact that she uses multiple men for money is not typical. She never stopped seeing other men as you seem to be aware. She broke up with you to be with other men and if she bought you gifts it was with the money of these other men. Yes paisas "use" men for money, but they often times need that money to come see you and to go out with you because they literally have no money; if they ask for money or gifts then they are not the typical girl. You should offer to pay her taxi and it's implied you will be paying for her night since you invited her, but if she asks for anything or demands a certain restaurant or bar, she is not typical.

If you're inviting a girl out and want it "easy" you should not invite her to a nice restaurant; many typical poorer and middle-class girls will not be comfortable in a nice restaurant and will flake due to this. If she's comfortable in a nice restaurant she is either rich or has upper class guys taking her to them all the time; in either case it doesn't help and can actually cause flakes; it may help attract gold diggers, but little else.

Shopping malls are terrible for game 80% of the time; I've walked for hours many times without seeing a target.

Sometimes it's good to meet at your place on a first date; it depends on the girl and the connection.

Post: #179

Can You elaborate on what I didnt figure out?

I certainly feel I have a good overall grasp of the girls and the dating culture in Medellin at this point. From what you wrote I also think we agree on pretty much everything except that my definition of gold digger is a lot broader than yours. If I have to pay a girls ride for her to show up and its implied I pay for every thing then that is a gold digger to me even if its out of necessity.

I do disagree that this is not typical hot girl behavior here. At first I thought it was just girls from online but I have since changed my opinion based on the evidence that it is correlated to how hot the girl is regardless of where you meet them.

In terms of nice restaurant for first date I cant actually comment. I never did it. I tried to spend as little money as possible on all my dates including telling them to take the metro instead of paying cabs. I certainly feel this was a handicap that cost me a few lays. at the same time it saved me some cash and time screening out some prepagos.

Question; when you set a date with a girl in Medellin and then she asks 'what we are doing?' what do you think is the best response for her to show up? I usually say lets go for a walk and have a conversation but I would think I am taking you out for dinner is the best answer. What do you think?

As for this girl 'breaking up' with me it has nothing to do with seeing other guys, nor was it limited to her. Several girls did it. For different reasons but generally I saw it as a power play. Game

For sure that girl got the money she sent on me from other men, I assumed she was seeing other guys but really I saw no evidence of it. Most likely she was getting sent money from some sugar daddy(s) outside the country.

I usually go to the malls when its raining. think its better then

For sure some girls will meet at your place and its easy BUT all those girls who meet at your place will also meet some other public spot close to your place and you can pull right away. At the same time the MAJORITY of girls will be very reluctant to meet at your place for a first meet and she is not going to suggest an alternative if she is uncomfortable, she will just flake.

Post: #180

(05-23-2017 07:09 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  Can You elaborate on what I didnt figure out?

I did elaborate. If a girl has zero money, but she wants to meet you and fuck you without any demands, she is not a gold digger. If you invite her to go out and she likes you she will go on a walk or whatever with you, which is free. The fact that you invite her to a bar or restaurant is because it's the activity that you want to do and she wants to be with you, but has zero cash. I don't see how that makes her a gold digger by any definition.

However, I have met many guys in Medellin and certain guys attract gold diggers. Some are ugly, some flash their money, some are strange, some have poor hygiene, some don't speak Spanish, some are old, etc; they are not the type of guy that girls would be able to introduce to their family. The thing they all have in common is that they are not attractive, serious dating material, so the girls that are interested in them are the gold diggers. Then there are other guys who are good looking, or dress well, or speak Spanish, or have a cool life, etc; these are the guys who get the normal girls easily.

Post: #181

(05-23-2017 07:09 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  If I have to pay a girls ride for her to show up and its implied I pay for every thing then that is a gold digger to me even if its out of necessity.

You would not get a bone in deeper EE. Some basic manners needed. I see why bitches in Canada throw drinks at men.

Post: #182

Personally I think any girl can save up 5k to come on the metro. I mean come on.

But ya besides our differing views on what a gold digger is I still dont get what you think I dont get lol

And yes for sure I have been spoiled by girls in Toronto. Girls buying me gifts, bringing me food, and paying half or all when we are out is the norm for me in Canada.

Post: #183

(05-23-2017 09:10 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  Personally I think any girl can save up 5k to come on the metro. I mean come on.

You've obviously never had to worry about money in your life. When you make about 40k a day and you have to eat, pay rent, utilities, transportation, buy clothes, makeup, etc and help family, there's nothing left. Even if she could save that 5k she would probably rather save it than spend it on meeting someone who might interest her. If she's struggling to put food on the table and she's bored she will likely go out with the guy who will pay her night out or pick her up and take her out instead of the guy that wants to buy a penthouse but considers her a gold-digger for not having the money to pay a taxi.

What don't you understand? At the very least you don't understand the following: How difficult life is for many girls. How to weed out gold-diggers. How your girlfriend was not making a power play, she simply has so many men paying for her that she had other men she prioritized. How to get women out and avoid flakes; 300-400 flakes means you're doing something very wrong.

Post: #184

What is your strategy for avoiding gold diggers and getting girls out and avoiding flakes?

Getting the first date from a number is definitely the weakest part of my game not just in Medellin.

Post: #185

I know I said I was going to completely stay away from this place, but this poster and this thread are beyond ridiculous at this point and I really can't resist. I'll try to make this simple. All girls' taxi fares, and all girls' food and drinks need to be paid by you. No exceptions. This applies regardless of the city or country. If the thought of not paying ever even crosses your mind, then you are a bullocks and a lot of the reason why Toronto women are assholes, don't like to dress up, and don't like to take care of themselves. It's perfectly fine to have that mindset that O.P. very obviously has, if you don't mind being confined to average women, below average women, or getting blanked. I very often buy drinks and food for completely random people just to see where it takes me. Anything else is just undesirable to women, especially the ones at the top.

Post: #186

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Post: #187

^^ LOLLOL that pic

Meren thats some sexist shit right there though bro. And you are contradicting yourself 'Pay for ALL women with no exception' But perfectly fine not to if you want average women. In Canada we believe in equality of the sexes. And personally I dont think you should treat a woman different just cause she is pretty. Besides I would be dead broke if I followed your advice lol.

Good on you for buys strangers stuff if thats your thing. But I know you could open the same doors by making them laugh and spreading the good vibes

Post: #188

^^^
Where did I say I don't make people laugh and spread the good vibes? You're never going to get it. Enjoy the middle. Or the bottom.

Post: #189

Im sure you do man but tell me.. If I make a girl have orgasms and feel loved and appreciated every time she hangs out with me why should should she not be paying for my shit?... I am not the hottest dude but I am cool as fuck once you get to know me. I had to suffer through countless rejections to be this way. All she got to do is her makeup and look pretty. FUCK YOU PAY ME. btw I have made girls pay few times to fuck them... I was born the wrong sex.. it all makes sense now lolol

Post: #190

(05-24-2017 01:29 AM)Prince Charming Wrote:  And personally I dont think you should treat a woman different just cause she is pretty.

You're kidding, right? Want us to treat hambeast land-whales like we treat slim hotties? Sacrilege! You ARE Lenin, literally!

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Post: #192

(05-23-2017 11:18 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I know I said I was going to completely stay away from this place, but this poster and this thread are beyond ridiculous at this point and I really can't resist. I'll try to make this simple. All girls' taxi fares, and all girls' food and drinks need to be paid by you. No exceptions. This applies regardless of the city or country. If the thought of not paying ever even crosses your mind, then you are a bullocks and a lot of the reason why Toronto women are assholes, don't like to dress up, and don't like to take care of themselves. It's perfectly fine to have that mindset that O.P. very obviously has, if you don't mind being confined to average women, below average women, or getting blanked. I very often buy drinks and food for completely random people just to see where it takes me. Anything else is just undesirable to women, especially the ones at the top.

Prince Charming is being stingy IMO but I disagree with you as well.

What you said sounds like some white knighting shit.

The truth is that you play it by ear. If I'm on a date with a Colombian girl and I'm far away and she's coming to my crib, I will take care of the taxi. I'll also pay for drinks since I invited her out. It's Colombian culture so I understand that, not to mention many of these girls are broke.

But I rarely spend much. And most of the wealthier girls take care of their own taxis, or will contribute somehow. Or I'll have girls who will refuse me paying for their taxis.

In cities like Toronto a lot of girls will offer to pay their half, which is great. I'm not interested in having girls pay for me, but I like alternating paying for the bill.

Unless she's doing my laundry or cooking, I'm not gonna be paying for everything.

Quite frankly I prefer girls who contribute. I can't fucking stand entitled girls. In Colombia there were a couple of girls like that and I nexted them.

I'll take a girl out for a night, but it's on my own terms. The second she starts telling me to get her something is the second I move on.

To be honest I've been thinking about this a lot and I have decided that I will never be the guy who just pays for everything. Sure if I suggest something out of her budget like a vacation I'll pay for it, but I'd still expect her to pick up the bill for me sometimes at the bar etc. Basically I'd expect some level of contribution.

Post: #193

For those who are stingy I recommend going to any bar that has a ladies night. Free cover and booze. This way you don't have to pay for anybody but yourself which seems to be cryptonite for a few. The caveat being, your entrance and tab will be higher than usual.

Newgame and the like who actually live in Medellin full time have knowledge that combine the various nuances in this culture that will make your time go much more smoothly. Anybody who ignores it IMHO is foolish.

The reality is not too many "gringos" date girls who have money nor who live in poblado estrato 5-6. When I was doing the on,one thing years back I remember most girls were from Bello or itagui, everywhere except poblado. I doubt that it has changed much since. Henceforth you will encounter girls who less likely have any additional funds to meet you on a weeknight in poblado. Unless you decide to travel up to her area. I doubt many would....so pony up the taxi fares.

Post: #194

I agree with Merenguero on the subject of paying for girls taxi's, dinner etc.

I'm a little confused why someone who is looking for penthouses has talked about staying in hostels in cartegena, not paying girls taxis, getting girls to pay him for sex.

If it wasn't for the fact that people have meet the OP in Colombia I'd feel like we are getting trolled this whole thread and OP is actually in Toronto posting from his dorm room.

Post: #195

Paying for taxis etc. is a proxy issue. There's something a little off about this dude, and if he's attracting golddiggers, the question is why.

Did anyone ever meet him?

Post: #196

(05-25-2017 05:54 AM)tomtud Wrote:  Newgame and the like who actually live in Medellin full time have knowledge that combine the various nuances in this culture that will make your time go much more smoothly. Anybody who ignores it IMHO is foolish.

I would really appreciate if newgame or some one with equal experience here actually gave some examples on what to do differently so I can improve when I return. Or link me a thread if it has been discussed before. Just pointing out my mistakes without any constructive feedback on how I would be better off doing things does not really help me or the other readers.

As for paying for taxis I clearly suggested that it is the way to go in my data sheet. I have my reasons for not paying. FYI I payed for many taxi's in Medellin, Never in Canada though. The main reasons being that I Dont want to invest in a relationship until I am sure I want that girl (something that goes way beyond looks, though for girls from online the fact I might be catfished was a compounding factor). Once a girl has proven herself worth my time I have no problems showing her a good time on my terms. Second I have such abundance with women once I have been in the same location for more than a month or two that I simply go with the easiest option for me (just like the hot girls do). Some days in Medellin I had 10-20 girls saying they want to meet up. My choice generally came down to how hot the girl was, how easy it was to meet with no investment close to my place and how reliable I thought she was.

In my time in Medellin I did have a chance to briefly meet maybe 10-12 rvf members, and about 10 guys from another forum. I also gave 3 bootcamps in the week I was out of the game with a sti. I will stop posting soon, besides a spot to keep my journal and meet other players in a new city these forums really provide little value for me at this point. If you come by Toronto this summer and are experienced feel free to hit me up.

Post: #197

(05-25-2017 12:37 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  I also gave 3 bootcamps in the week I was out of the game with a sti. I will stop posting soon, besides a spot to keep my journal and meet other players in a new city these forums really provide little value for me at this point.

Because you have provided great value to this forum, maybe, hombre? Be honest in any case, and ask yourself: haven't you received more from RVF than you have given to it? You haven't even bought a 20-dollar RVF gold membership, your highness...

Post: #198

I was hoping people would get some value from my journal. I am open to suggestions on how to provide more value when if I do this again.

Thanks to all who tried to help me out and shared their experience

Post: #199

(05-25-2017 12:37 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  In my time in Medellin I did have a chance to briefly meet maybe 10-12 rvf members, and about 10 guys from another forum.

Oh yeah?

(05-25-2017 12:37 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  I also gave 3 bootcamps in the week I was out of the game with a sti.

You were giving bootcamps without knowing the native language?

Post: #200

I would have enjoyed just one write up at the end of your trip instead of a whole thread with the journal, I guess there is so much stuff on Medellin already it kind of gets sickening. Now if you have been to a newer place that hasn't been written about I think the journal approach might have been more beneficial.

Perhaps you are looking for attention, perhaps just trying to be helpful. On the other side I'm not really sure on all the effort to discredit you either..but you kind of play into it yourself with the constant posts. Nobody cares how many girls you did sleep nor how you did it, unless it actually contains valuable information to us, which there isn't a ton.

Generally I'd try to post less and have more valuable posts. Anyways hoping this thread dies and you come up with an amazing post 6-12 months from now and I go 'wow'. That's my personal opinion.