Post: #276

(12-07-2016 03:24 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  There are two elements to the Portuguese connection worth noting here. The Podestas were connected with the McCann kidnapping in Praia de Luz, Portugal, which is a known international pedophile hub.

That's out of line, man.

Kidnapping is a serious crime, especially international kidnapping. The Podestas haven't been arrested for kidnapping, let alone tried for kidnapping, let alone convicted of kidnapping - the latter of which would need to be true, for your statement to be true.

Seriously over-reaching statements like yours feed the MSM, who paints us like irrational zealots.

The stunning resemblance of the police sketches of persons connected with the McCann kidnapping with both Podesta brothers... this alone puts them on the firing line.

Post: #277

(12-07-2016 03:46 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:53 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  ....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

"Lunacy"? You might want to tone down your language before jumping into ad hominem attacks.

For what it's worth, this isn't an "ad hominem" (attack the person) argument. That would be "You're a lunatic, and therefore the argument is bad."

It's a passive aggressive, barely over the belt ad hominem attack, technically just within the limits, but rhetorically equivalent, because there's hardly any difference between

....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

and

....Seriously? That's what you've got? You're not even grasping for straws. You're an outright lunatic.

Post: #278

Edit, nevermind.

Post: #279

I just want to say...



If you see this guy on the street and you regard him as anything other than a typical law abiding citizen I would remind you that having gang tattoos and wearing gang affiliated colours are circumstantial factors that do not make a person guilty beyond reasonable doubt of being a gang member.

Any inference that this man is a gang member would be baseless slander, and if he and his friends all dress like gang members, wear gang colours, paint gang graffiti, throw gang signs and generally act in a manner befitting gang members it would be preposterous to infer that based on all that circumstantial evidence that they also engage in activities like the buying and selling of drugs and weapons, extortion, bribery, blackmail and murder.

Slander, I say! Slander!

Yes, that's how stupid it is to vacantly dismiss massive piles of circumstantial evidence.

Post: #280

So question for trian1.


Why do you keep defending these guys here of all places? It's not like the average normie will ever give us any credibility on here unless they go down the rabbit hole as it is.

The term red pill, though mainstream, doesn't get play unless you found this place trying to find travel info way back before Roosh was a national headline or you've had your "red pill" awakening.

Why are you so incessantly trying to defend these guys you supposedly know when the whole media is already trying to do that for you? If we're actually wrong about pizzagate then why would it matter?

I just find this whole insistent defense fishy as this isn't politics or a race thread where people get heated.

Post: #281

(12-07-2016 11:08 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  EDIT: This is particularly so given Even the voat swarm aren't sure about which fucking Andrew Kline they are actually talking about. The Andrew Kline connected to Alefantis is Andrew W. Kline, and the Andrew Kline who works at DOJ is an Andrew J. Kline. Worse still, there are two Andrew J. Klines.

Wait, so they did exactly the thing you wanted them to do (verify his information)? And they didn't march on his house with pitchforks?

In short, you're making a big deal over something that didn't even happen, which is exactly what I've been pointing to for the past few posts.

The investigation is a clusterfuck. It has always been a clusterfuck. It will always be a clusterfuck. But everything we currently know is a product of that clusterfuck.

Post: #282

(12-08-2016 12:30 AM)911 Wrote:  The stunning resemblance of the police sketches of persons connected with the McCann kidnapping with both Podesta brothers... this alone puts them on the firing line.

I think they should be investigated by the police, but saying they're connected to kidnapping is a rejection of the rule of law.

Post: #283

(12-08-2016 02:16 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 12:30 AM)911 Wrote:  The stunning resemblance of the police sketches of persons connected with the McCann kidnapping with both Podesta brothers... this alone puts them on the firing line.

I think they should be investigated by the police, but saying they're connected to kidnapping is a rejection of the rule of law.

No it's not a rejection of law, any more than it is for someone to say they think OJ is guilty.

I don't know where some people get the idea that conjecture is against the law. The whole world is not a court case. A persons accusations might open a person to a slander case if they make a claim that can be demonstrated to have caused definable damage to the aggrieved party, but other than that we can all say whatever we want and it's not a "rejection of law".

Insisting that penalties be brought against people who have not been charged, tried and convicted is a rejection of law. Short of that it's just a bunch of people talking shop and connecting dots, which I should add has often led to the official investigations in the past. Investigations which otherwise might never have occurred due to laziness or political pressure.

Consider also that if this is real then historic victims might be emboldened to tell their stories to a world that would have otherwise laughed at them.

And on another note, people might say this crowdsourced investigation is a complete clusterfuck, but so was the digital campaign that put Trump in the Whitehouse. By any objective measure a bunch of autists digging up garbage, setting fire to it and launching it in screaming piles at our enemies would have seemed politically suicidal but it yielded massive results. Democrat shit came to light that would have costs hundreds of thousands of dollars of man hours to dig up by paid investigators and hundreds of thousands more to plaster across the public domain. And what's more the fact that it was all "not for profit" made it real in the way a paid investigation could not. Even further, it was responsible for the savaging at the jugular of the old media who might never recover but for this "inexcusably chaotic shit flinging session".

Permission from authorities to dig around in this muck pit is no longer requested or required, particularly when so many of them appear to be tied up in it. It falls to the autists to exhume entire garbage dumps and sift through the proceeds for what nuggets they can find in a way only a million basement dwelling shitposters could achieve.

This is how corruption and depravity will be dragged into the light henceforth. The good old days? When all of the sick shit Saville and Eppstien got up to was kept comfortably in the shadows where it didn't cause any of us to lose sleep? Those days are gone.

If Clinton can ditch the secret service and fly on the lolita express to convicted paedophile Eppstein's private island with no cumuppins from the media or the federal government then it's safe to assume the "authorities" have decided to look the other way. That sure as hell doesn't mean the rest of us should.

We didn't ask to be the only ones to give a shit. But that's where we are.

Post: #284

CNN reported on a massive pedophile ring in DC back in 2011 that involved hundreds of top military and other Federal officials (like NSA). The case went dead after 8 months with no explanation given.






"...but but but there are no pedos in DC!!"

Post: #285

Just so people understand, this is 100% pedophile:



A pedophilla case from 2013: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3794616.htm



Notice the faggot on the left holding a little chick? That's a chicken lover. Both men are doing hard time now.

Post: #286

^ I've seen that image on here way before Pizzagate kicked off. If I recall correctly the post was just registering disgust at those two being allowed to adopt. Has anyone got a link to the thread?

Samseau do you have link to them being jailed?

@LDN. Great posting.

Post: #287

(12-07-2016 03:46 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:53 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  ....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

"Lunacy"? You might want to tone down your language before jumping into ad hominem attacks.

"Lunacy" might not be the right word, but let's imagine that this is a TV gameshow. You need to use your powers of logic and reasoning to choose between two possible scenarios as to how a pizza shop owner came about naming their store, one of which is true and one of which is false. There are many thousands of dollars at stake.

Option A: "Besta" was chosen because Besta is "beast" in Portuguese. "Beast Pizza"

Portugal isn't particularly known for pizza , but certain circles know that the age of consent is 14 in Portugal and this is a secret code because the shop is a front for a child smuggling ring.

Option B:
One of the most well known stereotypes in the western world is the Italian pizza chef with a puffy white hat, a bushy black moustache and a habit of adding "a" to the end of words, as in...

"My name is-a Luigi, and I make-a the besta pizza in-a town"



Wearing a hat made of tinfoil does not automatically make one a lunatic, but...

Post: #288

(12-08-2016 03:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ...


Notice the faggot on the left holding a little chick? That's a chicken lover. Both men are doing hard time now.

As I recall, the article got serious traction for a completely unexpected reason.

The media outlet that posted the story about the paedophillia conviction accidentally used the exact same image (above) they'd used several years(?) earlier in a "gay couple adopts, unicorns shed tears of joy" article.

edit: Boom. Got it.



The ABC is our local marxist occupied federally funded media arm, something equivalent to NPR I suppose.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/pe...ng/5146366

This is the "busted paedos" link. No mention of their original article of course, which I'm sure has been bleached from their servers, "like... with a cloth or something."

edit2: Here is the followup piece by the original reporter.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-10/go...ts/4809582

TL/DR "I did noting wrong in promoting homosexual adoption. I wasn't wearing any politically correct blinders. They were 100% convincing. Gays are the real victims of this and homosexuality has no increased correlation to paedophilia, you fucking bigots."

Post: #289

^^^^

Bonus points, that bitch was attention whoring a couple weeks back about how the near-two years' worth of online trolling of her as the author of the article was awwwffuuuuuuuuuulllll and she didn't liiiiiiiike it.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #290

Bet she's still got her job though, unlike a single soul would have at the ABC if they as much as uttered a single pro-Trump sentence.

Post: #291

The thing the media does not get is people can see their bullshit. How they are jumping to defend this place so bad? compare this to the on going way Buzzfeed is going right now against a Christian couple on HGTV because they never feature homosexuals, how the media attack any Christian business that refuse or even is rumored to not serve homosexuals.

They don't care about facts, they jump to "this business hate gays", the mob piles up,and is days you have a national crisis.

We are seeing the reverse here, the media is jumping to defend this Pizza place without taking all evidence.

Post: #292

(12-08-2016 02:14 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  So question for trian1.


Why do you keep defending these guys here of all places? It's not like the average normie will ever give us any credibility on here unless they go down the rabbit hole as it is.

The term red pill, though mainstream, doesn't get play unless you found this place trying to find travel info way back before Roosh was a national headline or you've had your "red pill" awakening.

Why are you so incessantly trying to defend these guys you supposedly know when the whole media is already trying to do that for you? If we're actually wrong about pizzagate then why would it matter?

I just find this whole insistent defense fishy as this isn't politics or a race thread where people get heated.

Simple. Pizzagate is cognitive dissonance that no one believes is true outside all those refusing to admit their cognitive dissonance. It makes you look stupid as shit for insisting on it. It discredits all of your other ideas, because you are seen as "conspiracy theorists" or "believers in fake news." It promotes a lie that is 100 percent a lie. Remember,

There is no pedophilia ring being operated out of a mythical basement of Comet Pizza, and absolutely no one has presented a single piece of evidence to prove otherwise. Hard Stop.

Already you see people here trying to walk back -- "oh, well, there are no dungeons there, but it is shady as hell."

But the entire argument of pizzagate is that that place of business is being used for horrific crimes.

I can't say what the owner is or is not into. If he is a pedophile -- I have seen no evidence that he is, and it is not a charge I would make without evidence -- it is 100 percent not tied to anything going on with that business. And it is that business that is under attack.

It is being, and will continue to be used to discredit all other arguments people here make. It is willingly attaching yourself to a sinking ship.

And it would be bad enough if it was all fun and Internet games. But it affects real people in the real world.

Come to DC, let's go and talk to the bartenders and servers at Comet -- real people who are friends of friends, and lets ask how they feel about people shooting at them while at work (It is not hurting their business -- in fact, Comet has requested that they space out the support parties taking place there, because they can only cook 13 pizzas at a time)

Pedophilia rings being run out of Comet Pizza. A pervasive rape culture in the West. Bigfoot. These are all things that there is no credible evidence for. Well, maybe Bigfoot... :-)

Post: #293

(12-08-2016 04:08 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 03:46 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:53 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  ....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

"Lunacy"? You might want to tone down your language before jumping into ad hominem attacks.

"Lunacy" might not be the right word, but let's imagine that this is a TV gameshow. You need to use your powers of logic and reasoning to choose between two possible scenarios as to how a pizza shop owner came about naming their store, one of which is true and one of which is false. There are many thousands of dollars at stake.

Option A: "Besta" was chosen because Besta is "beast" in Portuguese. "Beast Pizza"

Portugal isn't particularly known for pizza , but certain circles know that the age of consent is 14 in Portugal and this is a secret code because the shop is a front for a child smuggling ring.

Option B:
One of the most well known stereotypes in the western world is the Italian pizza chef with a puffy white hat, a bushy black moustache and a habit of adding "a" to the end of words, as in...

"My name is-a Luigi, and I make-a the besta pizza in-a town"



Wearing a hat made of tinfoil does not automatically make one a lunatic, but...

Yeah, except their logo is not some Luigi-type generic Italian chef character, but a weird,
elaborate symbol that specifically designates boy-love pedophilia. It is in fact, a secret code,
that much is readily acknowledged by the FBI. With this key element of their branding as evidence,
your take on the Occam's Razor falls apart, and option A above becomes the logical choice.



And the fact that they've changed their logo might itself be an admission of guilt.
Some have said that the logo changed right after Trump's election. It might have just been
a coincidence in the timing, or perhaps the owners became pretty worried because they
no longer had protection from the very top...

Post: #294

(12-08-2016 02:14 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  So question for trian1.

Why do you keep defending these guys here of all places?

I just find this whole insistent defense fishy as this isn't politics or a race thread where people get heated.

Shorter answer:

This forum is supposed to be a place for men who are committed to self-improvement.

Part of that means learning to recognize cognitive dissonance not just in others, but also ourselves, and to address it and be better for it.

Pizzagate is not a holy crusade against evil, but more like the McMartin Pre-sschool case (except at least there, there were actually alleged victims bringing charges against the business, unlike the current situation)

Post: #295

(12-08-2016 10:22 AM)trian1 Wrote:  Shorter answer:

Post: #296

(12-08-2016 10:22 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 02:14 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  So question for trian1.

Why do you keep defending these guys here of all places?

I just find this whole insistent defense fishy as this isn't politics or a race thread where people get heated.

Shorter answer:

This forum is supposed to be a place for men who are committed to self-improvement.

Part of that means learning to recognize cognitive dissonance not just in others, but also ourselves, and to address it and be better for it.

Pizzagate is not a holy crusade against evil, but more like the McMartin Pre-sschool case (except at least there, there were actually alleged victims bringing charges against the business, unlike the current situation)

Who made you the leader of the forum who knows what it is "supposed" to be?

Post: #297

This story made the Diane Rehm show this morning, under the subject of "fake news".

Post: #298

(12-08-2016 10:03 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 02:14 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  So question for trian1.


Why do you keep defending these guys here of all places? It's not like the average normie will ever give us any credibility on here unless they go down the rabbit hole as it is.

The term red pill, though mainstream, doesn't get play unless you found this place trying to find travel info way back before Roosh was a national headline or you've had your "red pill" awakening.

Why are you so incessantly trying to defend these guys you supposedly know when the whole media is already trying to do that for you? If we're actually wrong about pizzagate then why would it matter?

I just find this whole insistent defense fishy as this isn't politics or a race thread where people get heated.

Simple. Pizzagate is cognitive dissonance that no one believes is true outside all those refusing to admit their cognitive dissonance. It makes you look stupid as shit for insisting on it. It discredits all of your other ideas, because you are seen as "conspiracy theorists" or "believers in fake news." It promotes a lie that is 100 percent a lie. Remember,

There is no pedophilia ring being operated out of a mythical basement of Comet Pizza, and absolutely no one has presented a single piece of evidence to prove otherwise. Hard Stop.

Already you see people here trying to walk back -- "oh, well, there are no dungeons there, but it is shady as hell."

But the entire argument of pizzagate is that that place of business is being used for horrific crimes.

I can't say what the owner is or is not into. If he is a pedophile -- I have seen no evidence that he is, and it is not a charge I would make without evidence -- it is 100 percent not tied to anything going on with that business. And it is that business that is under attack.

It is being, and will continue to be used to discredit all other arguments people here make. It is willingly attaching yourself to a sinking ship.

And it would be bad enough if it was all fun and Internet games. But it affects real people in the real world.

Come to DC, let's go and talk to the bartenders and servers at Comet -- real people who are friends of friends, and lets ask how they feel about people shooting at them while at work (It is not hurting their business -- in fact, Comet has requested that they space out the support parties taking place there, because they can only cook 13 pizzas at a time)

Pedophilia rings being run out of Comet Pizza. A pervasive rape culture in the West. Bigfoot. These are all things that there is no credible evidence for. Well, maybe Bigfoot... :-)

One common tactic the "skeptics" constantly resort to is a form of reductio ad absurdum in order to discredit their opponent by raising the burden of proof. You are setting the null hypothesis in this debate to a much higher level, that Comet Pizza is a hub for pedophile activities, complete with an elaborate basement and tunnels, with rampant child abuse/violent crimes on the premises, and because of this, every employee or regular customer there must be in on the crime, at some level.

This is just a case of rhetoric, it has for effect of increasing doubts about the credibility of the whole case. This is also how Pizzagate is derisively and superficially portrayed in the "fake news" MSM narrative: "conspiracy theorists accuse Hillary, the Podestas and Alefantis of sacrifying children in the back of a pizza shop...look how crazy they are!"


In fact, what we really claim is that the owners of this business are pedophiles, and that they are very connected with higher circles, and likely part of a ring. We don't know the extent of pedophilic crimes connected on the premises. It might just be a rallying point for the local pedo-criminal community, or there might some off-hours activities taking place on the premises, or nearby. At the very least, there is tangible proof that elements of pedophilia culture are promoted on the premise, and perhaps more nefarious activity might be going on off-hours or off-premises by key protagonists, and that trail really needs to be investigated. That's it.

Post: #299

The biggest error I see here is that way too many people are focusing their attention and debates on this one pizzeria place in Washington.

But in reality, this issue was born with the wikileaks dump of real emails with suspicious phrases and codewords sent by important political figures. All clues therein point to something much, much bigger in scope then 1 restaurant which may (or may not be) involved with this. This is probably national (and maybe even global) in scope.

We need to broaden our scope of investigation.
If this is as big as the clues indicate, then we need to keep our focus on other things too, such as:

1. The various suspicious NGOs and charities involved with children in foreign countries.

2. Unresolved cases of abductions and missing children.

3. Large private parties of important and influential people which have been flagged as suspicious.

4. Suspected Hollywood elites initiation and manipulation of their top celebrities through abuse of children

5. Anything else I've missed


Pizzagate is not about 1 pizzeria in Washington. It's about an entire network of presumed child abduction & abuse going on in various places for many, many years now.

The mainstream media want us to focus our debate on this one little place, but we need to broaden our horizons and look for more clues and evidence that unmask the whole big, ugly, terrifying picture.

Post: #300

The length the Mainstream Media is going to discredit Pizzagate is Orwellian. They're pulling out all the stops - including banning videos on Youtube, manipulating Facebook and google searches, and even the wikipedia pizzagate page is biased, outright calling it a "ficticous conspiracy theory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_...cy_theory)









And if you're an outspoken public figure speaking on this issue like Andrew Breitbart or Max Spiers, there's a real chance you'll be mysteriously murdered. It's unreal.

This is eerily similar to the Main Stream Media hit job on Roosh and the Global meetups back in February which we saw unfold in real time. I had to re-read that thread and it still blows my mind.