Post: #251

(12-07-2016 01:59 AM)Enigma Wrote:  This investigation is being "crowdsourced". That means there are thousands of people throwing out every little bit of information they dig up to create as many potential leads as possible.

You're freaking out over a thread on Steem. It's not that serious.

This particular page, which looks goofy as hell, is getting a lot of play. It was heavily, heavily promoted on the Voat when I saw it, and now it's showing up here.

And it just looks goofy.

Post: #252

^ It's just half a sentence in a longer post of otherwise good information and research. It wasn't even included in the bullet points at the end. I think you're overthinking it, man.

But speaking of Besta Pizza, I happened to google the name just now and saw their Yelp reviews. Terrible. 3 out of 5 stars overall.

And it's not because of fake reviews by #pizzagate people (my first thought). The place seems to legitimately have awful customer service and food... going back over a year. That would make a lot of sense if it were a front.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/besta-pizza-washington

Post: #253

I think Besta is just a lame attempt at making the word "Best" sound edgy, like "Supa" or "Coolio".

Now this Andrew Kline guy, on the other hand, seems shady. Plus why would Propaganda Post say that this Achmed is the owner when he's actually not? That looks like trying to cover up something.

Post: #254

(12-07-2016 03:01 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I think Besta is just a lame attempt at making the word "Best" sound edgy, like "Supa" or "Coolio".

Now this Andrew Kline guy, on the other hand, seems shady. Plus why would Propaganda Post say that this Achmed is the owner when he's actually not? That looks like trying to cover up something.

Andrew Kline is listed as the registered agent for Uptown Pizza Inc.

That does not mean that he's necessarily the owner. The registered agent is just the guy registered with tax, business, regulatory bodies as the official guy to contact, similar to the way businesses often have a corporate office or a registered address.

And while lots of aspies are saying Andrew Kline's address is X address in Washington DC, I have not seen a document from the registration authority that sets out it's that Andrew Kline with the same address. Even a quick Google search for accountants in the DC area turns up a number of Andrew Klines engaged in business advice - part of that can include registered agent services. Until someone produces a document from the business registration agency showing the registered agent was Andrew Kline of the matching address to our Prince Of Darkness, it doesn't prove jack shit.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #255

(12-06-2016 09:07 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 02:31 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Viewed dispassionately, the only relevant piece of evidence is the code-speak in WikiLeaks. Since none of us are pedophiles, we can't say for sure what that coded speech means.

Viewed passionately, the coordinated media actions look exactly like the other coordinated media actions (especially the ones against us). The media cover up makes me think PizzaGate is true.

Not just in wikileaks. The use of known pedo symbols by business affiliated with these individuals is another fed flat. Under normal circumstances it would be more than enough to start an investigation.

The photos in instagram, the emails and the pedo symbols. Are more than enough leads to create reasonable suspicions to open an investigation.

Pictures of Alefantis instagram should be enough for a newspaper story. Pics of child coffins? What is this?

They try to descredit the news but don´t publish the pictures. Why? If there´s nothing wrong with the pictures. PUBLISH THEM.

If you printed and sent this pictures to several family houses around that block you would see what happened. Or just spam emails with them. Go inside databases. And spam the pics.

The FBI knows. They know what is hapening here. Either there´s already an investigation going on. Or they are being pressured to do nothing by upper powers.

If there´s public pressure they will act. Not because they don´t know already what´s happening.

My guess is Alefantis will not last much. His biggest danger doesn´t come from a right wing nutter but from Hillary itself. The Podesta´s might be next also. If this thing goes further. There will be containment.

Post: #256

(12-07-2016 01:59 AM)Enigma Wrote:  Dude, that's one of the worst false analogies I've ever seen

Post: #257

^ I was replying to the other guy.

Post: #258

Dammit. I'll work hard on getting worse then.

Post: #259

(12-06-2016 11:53 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  That long thing on Besta Pizza was among the "evidence" I specifically called out as being retarded several pages back. Look at this junk.

"Fun fact, Besta is "beast" in Portuguese. Beast Pizza ?

Portugal isn't particularly known for pizza , but certain circles know that the age of consent is 14 in Portugal."

....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

"Lunacy"? You might want to tone down your language before jumping into ad hominem attacks.

There are two elements to the Portuguese connection worth noting here. The Podestas were connected with the McCann kidnapping in Praia de Luz, Portugal, which is a known international pedophile hub. They were staying in that village at the house of a known serial child rapist, British politician/socialite Clement Freud, a few blocks from McCann's apartment.

Second, Besta is Portuguese for "beast", which is just as likely to denote the satanist/occult inclinations of its owners as any other explanation. There is plenty of evidence that the Podestas and their circles were deeply steeped into satanistic occult rituals.

Finally, don't you think it's a bit weird for someone like Kline, who is an DOJ attorney for child trafficking, to represent a business that has one of the most notorious symbols for pedophilia as its logo?

Post: #260

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  Finally, don't you think it's a bit weird for someone like Kline, who is an DOJ attorney for child trafficking, to represent a business that has one of the most notorious symbols for pedophilia as its logo?

To that I would say as I did further up: prove to me it's the same Andrew Kline. There's a lot of them in DC, some of them plain old accountants, who often function as the registered agents for businesses that need an official address if they need to be served with notice. Thus far I have seen a lot of people match up addresses, but I have yet to see a screenshot from an official District of Columbia website that specifies DOJ Andrew Kline's address as the address of the Andrew Kline that is Besta Pizza's registered agent.

As I've said, circumstancial evidence can still be evidence, but it looks to me without anything more that they're looking for the wrong guy. The DC government website just says the registered agent is an "Andrew Kline". Not "Andrew J. Kline, Prince of Darkness currently hanging out at the DOJ."

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #261

Do I also have to prove to you that it was that same Clement Freud that has raped dozens of children, and not some other Clement Freud, that hosted the Podestas in Portugal in his villa a few blocks from the site where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped?

Post: #262

I am not going to read the 11 pages of this thread but just comment on the importance of checking sources before spreading information. Spreading this PizzaGate is the same as people saying Roosh and his "gang" were rapists.

Post: #263

You need at least 250 internet points to shitpost here.

Post: #264

(12-07-2016 12:27 PM)joost Wrote:  I am not going to read the 11 pages of this thread but just comment on the importance of checking sources before spreading information. Spreading this PizzaGate is the same as people saying Roosh and his "gang" were rapists.

PizzaGate is not what i would call news "News".
PizzaGate is a popular investigation on possible pedophilia, based on wikileaks, and other types of evidence.
"Pizzagaters" are aware that it is not confirmed, but something smells very fishy.

As such, it will continue to be investigated and debated and the more MSM confirms it's fake, the more it will be investigated.

Post: #265

(12-07-2016 12:27 PM)joost Wrote:  I am not going to read the 11 pages of this thread but just comment on the importance of checking sources before spreading information. Spreading this PizzaGate is the same as people saying Roosh and his "gang" were rapists.

There is no evidence for them to be convicted. But there´s clearly enough material for them to be investigated.

As for Roosh. He was harrassed by the MSM. Not by private investigation. The conspiracy theorists never went after him. Except anonymous. Which was strange.

Since he was obviously not a rapist. The only thing he might have been accused was proposing the legalization of rape inside of houses.

Anyone who had read Roosh knows he satires like hell. He´s a writter and an artist. And this was written as a satire. It was a blog post. An expression of art to cause impact. And it did. It wasn´t a personal interview. Not a political statement. If you would lock all artists who are controversial there would be not enough jails for them.

"It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing."

Do you think Roosh actually thought it was a miracle for men not to rape their mothers?

I could go on and on writing examples of Roosh´s satires.

Artists are free to paint whatever shit they want. As disgusting as it can be. You cannot legislate good taste. Nobody is asking Marina Abramovich to be investigated (even though she probably have relevant info).

But a fucking pizza owner posting pictures of childs with price tags. Or child coffins. Pedo symbols. Codified language in emails. Now this is different.

Comparing this Pizza shit to Roosh is completely idiotic.

Investigating Roosh would be the same as investigating any painter who paints a child.

Post: #266

(12-07-2016 12:37 PM)iop890 Wrote:  You need at least 250 internet points to shitpost here.

Quota has been lowered to 50.

Post: #267

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  There are two elements to the Portuguese connection worth noting here. The Podestas were connected with the McCann kidnapping in Praia de Luz, Portugal, which is a known international pedophile hub.

That's out of line, man.

Kidnapping is a serious crime, especially international kidnapping. The Podestas haven't been arrested for kidnapping, let alone tried for kidnapping, let alone convicted of kidnapping - the latter of which would need to be true, for your statement to be true.

Seriously over-reaching statements like yours feed the MSM, who paints us like irrational zealots.

Post: #268

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 11:53 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  ....Seriously? That's what you've got? That's not even grasping for straws. That's outright lunacy.

"Lunacy"? You might want to tone down your language before jumping into ad hominem attacks.

For what it's worth, this isn't an "ad hominem" (attack the person) argument. That would be "You're a lunatic, and therefore the argument is bad."

You might not be a lunatic, but this argument is lunacy. "The shop's name means something in Portuguese" -> "The age of consent in Portugal is 14" -> "The shop owner is a pedophile" is a lunatic argument.

Here's what I said before on this subject, and why it's such a bad argument.

Quote:How would you subvert a crowdsourced investigation? Easily. You don't use shills to tell the investigators they're being paranoid. That never works. Look how we reacted when we had a shill one page back. It made people MORE convinced that there was something to #Pizzagate, not less. (That's why I really think it's just a forum member trolling us.)

Here's what you do if you want to shut down a crowdsourced investigation into a conspiracy: Have one shill account suggest some idiotic piece of evidence about the conspiracy. Something that's going to sound retarded to normal people. (I give some examples below.) Then have a bunch of other shills upvote him, retweet him, or spread his argument some other way. Crowd psychology takes over, and suddenly the idiotic evidence becomes a central part of the case against the conspiracy.

I didn't go too deep into what I meant by "crowd psychology" in that post, but this is exactly what I was referring to. Arguing that "the age of consent in Portugal is 14, therefore the owner of Besta Pizza is a pedophile" is dumb. But you're interpreting my saying "This particular argument is dumb, and it makes #PizzaGate people look dumb because they're spreading a dumb argument" as an attack on the whole group. So now you're defending a dumb argument, because you feel compelled to defend #PizzaGate.

And the worst part is, you KNOW it's a dumb argument, because you immediately changed the subject to some guy named Andrew Kline. You didn't even try to refute me.

I'll repeat another post I made earlier here.

Quote:The only way to fight (a dedicated subversion attempt) is to be absolutely ruthless with people who are providing evidence for #Pizzagate. If someone says something that's too much of a stretch, be it that Seth Rich's murder was a part of this, or that Breitbart was killed because he knew about this, CALL THEM OUT.

I still think it's too late, but if anybody is still seriously interested in pursuing this, the first enemies you'll have to face will be on your own side.

You will NOT succeed if you waste your time going down every idiotic rabbit hole that you see. You only play right into your enemy's (if they even exist) hands. The age of consent in Portugal has nothing to do with this. Seth Rich was not killed because he knew about Pizzagate. Breitbart was not killed because he knew about Pizzagate. James Alafantis is not French for "I love infants". (Not all of these arguments have been brought up in this thread, but I've seen them all out there.) All of these things are red herrings, and you must be RUTHLESS in winnowing them out. Do not spread them. Do not defend them. If you see someone spreading them or defending them, tell them to stop.

I'm not convinced that #PizzaGate is anything more than a series of weird coincidences. But if you are, then you owe it to the kids you think are being molested to keep your head on straight, and not waste time defending the indefensible.

Post: #269

(12-07-2016 03:24 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 09:47 AM)911 Wrote:  There are two elements to the Portuguese connection worth noting here. The Podestas were connected with the McCann kidnapping in Praia de Luz, Portugal, which is a known international pedophile hub.

That's out of line, man.

Kidnapping is a serious crime, especially international kidnapping. The Podestas haven't been arrested for kidnapping, let alone tried for kidnapping, let alone convicted of kidnapping - the latter of which would need to be true, for your statement to be true.

Seriously over-reaching statements like yours feed the MSM, who paints us like irrational zealots.

Connected doesn't mean anything of the sort.

However I'd also couch it instead as "possibly connected".

The police sketches look exactly like the Podesta brothers, they had an invite to stay in Portugal the time, they were unavailable via email during that period and the police have said they know who has done it but they can't do anything about it.

Hardly irrational or overreaching when so much evidence points towards them.

Post: #270

It's quite amusing that folks were quick to jump in and support this but bailed out as soon as cracks started up showing up.

Some of you even learned some stuff from reading Cernovich, it appears.

Post: #271

(12-07-2016 10:39 AM)911 Wrote:  Do I also have to prove to you that it was that same Clement Freud that has raped dozens of children, and not some other Clement Freud, that hosted the Podestas in Portugal in his villa a few blocks from the site where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped?

Yup. That's called proof beyond reasonable doubt, which any of us would demand if we were in a court being charged for rape.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #272

(12-07-2016 06:31 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 10:39 AM)911 Wrote:  Do I also have to prove to you that it was that same Clement Freud that has raped dozens of children, and not some other Clement Freud, that hosted the Podestas in Portugal in his villa a few blocks from the site where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped?

Yup. That's called proof beyond reasonable doubt, which any of us would demand if we were in a court being charged for rape.

This isn't a court of law and we're neither prosecutors nor law enforcement.

Post: #273

(12-07-2016 11:00 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 06:31 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 10:39 AM)911 Wrote:  Do I also have to prove to you that it was that same Clement Freud that has raped dozens of children, and not some other Clement Freud, that hosted the Podestas in Portugal in his villa a few blocks from the site where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped?

Yup. That's called proof beyond reasonable doubt, which any of us would demand if we were in a court being charged for rape.

This isn't a court of law and we're neither prosecutors nor law enforcement.

Neither is the leftie lynch mob that invariably forms when someone accuses a man of rape, no matter how unfounded the allegation is.

Put it this way: let's say you're wrong and it's not the same Andrew Kline on the paperwork. If I am right, you are all basically accusing a guy whose job is to stop child trafficking of perpetrating the very crime he polices. That would be a colossal own-goal.

As I've said: show me the paperwork that connects Registered Agent Andrew Kline with the address of DOJ Andrew Kline. The guy assembling this information should have no problem finding that, all it takes is one phone call to that authority to find out the registered agent's contact details, which should be on file with the authority. That information has been lacking from these dossiers of information and the omission of that detail should be enough to make you take a step back and ask why the person compiling the dossier left that information out.

EDIT: This is particularly so given Even the voat swarm aren't sure about which fucking Andrew Kline they are actually talking about. The Andrew Kline connected to Alefantis is Andrew W. Kline, and the Andrew Kline who works at DOJ is an Andrew J. Kline. Worse still, there are two Andrew J. Klines.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #274

Youtube has been actively censoring pizzagate videos, targeting the most competent channels. Before catching up to the last few pages of this thread, I'm going to go ahead and post this video from the SGT Report, which might not be around for long, this is an important document featuring one of the leading experts on the subject of child traffic and pedophilia, Carine Hutsebaud, who provides a general background on the subject of pedocrime networks, watch it/download it before it's gone:

Post: #275

(12-04-2016 11:15 PM)trian1 Wrote:  Welp, you all have officially brought FBI scrutiny on all of us as this nutjob crossed state lines to fire a weapon on what is arguably the single biggest non-story of the year.

http://wtop.com/dc/2016/12/police-detain...estuarant/

Quote:Edgar Maddison Welch, 28, of Salisbury, North Carolina, told police he went to Comet Ping Pong, a popular pizza place in the 5000 block of Connecticut Avenue Northwest, to "self-investigate" the conspiracy theory generated by a fake news story, D.C. police said in a news release Sunday night.

There is not a pedophilia ring being run out of Comet Ping Pong.

Hard. Stop.

"But, but, but".....NO. There is no pedophilia ring being run out of the place. You are absolutely destroying your credibility by insisting there is and hurting hard-working employees. You sound as silly as people who believe Trump is a racist Hitler -- the evidence details facts that do not reflect the truth you want to exist.

The owner contacted the FBI ... who would contact the FBI if they were violating federal laws?

This is exactly what a pedophile would say.