Post: #101

Alright, so to summarize the arguments of the people who don't like the thread title:

We're right about what's happening, but... We shouldn't talk about it.

Got it. That is compelling stuff.

I've got lots to do, so I'm not arguing all day. I'll simply repeat what I said before: if you can't tell us why we're wrong, but you simply don't like what we're talking about, stay out of the thread. Don't come in here, derail it, and shit it up with intellectually dishonest arguments. The only topic police around here are Roosh and any active mods, and given that the thread is still open a week after it started, obviously they don't think it's an issue.

Post: #102

(11-17-2016 02:15 PM)Original Article Wrote:  Walker said she does not think the comment about Trump affected the outcome of the shooting, claiming that the gunman was a menace from the beginning.

She asked the public for help in getting the suspect off the street.

“Please, if anybody know[s] anything, please, this was so senseless,” she said. “This was so horrible.”

weambulance Wrote:I didn't add it here when I first saw it because the girl he was with said she didn't think that had anything to do with the actual shooting. The fight was already happening. But hey, maybe it did? Who knows.

To add, I read elsewhere that the shooter was supposedly hispanic.

I saw a Twitter headline, which may or may not have been discussing this case, wherein the Black Trump supporter joked that the Hispanic guy was going to be deported.

Post: #103

Well - sometimes the enemy is really close by.... but we know that women can be the worst. I am certain she had those thoughts long before the Trump vote, but this brought her over the edge.

Post: #104

^

Pretty sure the story is fake. But wow, the way people are reacting to it is fucking sick.

I figure people who voted for Hillary fall into four categories, ignoring fraud:

Single issue abortion voters
Idiots who believe the old media unquestioningly
Party line voters who don't even pay attention
Mentally incompetent people who are literally incapable of rational thought

...and my reaction to none of those groups is "Boy I hope they get killed!"

Post: #105

Just for the record.

This black dude was shot and killed for telling a hispanic he was going to be deported:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/...ng-deport/

Post: #106

(11-17-2016 04:35 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Just for the record.

This black dude was shot and killed for telling a hispanic he was going to be deported:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/...ng-deport/

Everything about this situation was fucking retarded. On one side you have a dumbass getting racial with a complete stranger, and on the other you have a trigger-happy moron who slaughtered another human being for insulting him.

We don't need to take sides in nonsense like this. I really hope that this election doesn't bring out the undercurrent of violent stupidity that boils beneath the surface of American culture. Honestly, I think the RVF and the entire right wing by extension should take a stand against every aspect of this situation. Racially insulting complete strangers is a bad thing, and while being trigger-happy is worse, both of these things deserve condemnation. (By the way, debeguiled, I am not suggesting that you were taking sides when posting this video)

Post: #107

(11-17-2016 06:33 PM)Agastya Wrote:  We don't need to take sides in nonsense like this. I really hope that this election doesn't bring out the undercurrent of violent stupidity that boils beneath the surface of American culture. Honestly, I think the RVF and the entire right wing by extension should take a stand against every aspect of this situation. Racially insulting complete strangers is a bad thing, and while being trigger-happy is worse, both of these things deserve condemnation. (By the way, debeguiled, I am not suggesting that you were taking sides when posting this video)

Yes we do, we need to take the side of the black guy, who said something rude, over the side of the Hispanic guy, who shot a dude.

I don't see these things as morally equivalent at all, and I'm rather astonished that you do.

Post: #108

(11-17-2016 06:38 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Yes we do, we need to take the side of the black guy, who said something rude, over the side of the Hispanic guy, who shot a dude.

I don't see these things as morally equivalent at all, and I'm rather astonished that you do.

(11-17-2016 06:33 PM)Agastya Wrote:  Racially insulting complete strangers is a bad thing, and while being trigger-happy is worse, both of these things deserve condemnation.

If that wasn't clear enough for you. When you insult someone's race, you're insulting their culture, their friends, and their family. Doing it to a complete stranger at a bar is indicative of terrible social skills and outright stupidity. Obviously killing a fucking person is significantly worse but both of these tendencies should be called out regardless.

Post: #109

Another black on white/mixed violent attack:

"Slime Father @TheBloodShow

If Trump win , white ppl gotta get slept once a week"


https://twitter.com/TheBloodShow/status/...4810130432

Embed if you know how.

Post: #110

(11-17-2016 07:03 PM)Agastya Wrote:  If that wasn't clear enough for you. When you insult someone's race, you're insulting their culture, their friends, and their family. Doing it to a complete stranger at a bar is indicative of terrible social skills and outright stupidity. Obviously killing a fucking person is significantly worse but both of these tendencies should be called out regardless.

The black man's comment is indicative of a drunk guy at a bar being a dick. We need to "call it out" in the same way we need to call out people who go 55 in the passing lane, or who talk loudly on their phones while in line at the post office. It's a moderate annoyance at worst.

It is absolutely wrong to make excuses for murderers, and that's exactly what you're doing when you say, "Oh well, both sides are bad" when one guy warrants an angry glare, and at absolute worst, a visit from the bouncer, and the other guy needs a trip to the electric chair. It's a disgusting moral equivalency game.

Post: #111

(11-17-2016 07:03 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 06:38 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Yes we do, we need to take the side of the black guy, who said something rude, over the side of the Hispanic guy, who shot a dude.

I don't see these things as morally equivalent at all, and I'm rather astonished that you do.

(11-17-2016 06:33 PM)Agastya Wrote:  Racially insulting complete strangers is a bad thing, and while being trigger-happy is worse, both of these things deserve condemnation.

If that wasn't clear enough for you. When you insult someone's race, you're insulting their culture, their friends, and their family. Doing it to a complete stranger at a bar is indicative of terrible social skills and outright stupidity. Obviously killing a fucking person is significantly worse but both of these tendencies should be called out regardless.

Whoya - that is why Europe moved away from an honor culture - every fucking bloody insult is seen a terrible offense and would have been used as a reason to exterminate the other guy's entire family. Europe up until Christianity had that system. Albania and Sicily still have that crap up until now.

And the Middle East is still there.
http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggr...come-from/

The author calls such a system dignity culture vs honor culture. Now of course the West moved to victim culture which resembles honor culture, but uses the state to crush you. The state will do it by either fining you financially or sending a SWAT team and killing you.

Still - the default value of the West incl. Asia is dignity culture. If someone insults you, then he is being an ass and you laugh it off and walk away. You may insult him back and laugh at him. If he hits you first and you defend yourself, then he is going to get punished for it, because so far only words left your mouth. And if the stuff escalates and he kills you then he gets punished. No reason for your family to wipe out his family.

So you bringing up your entire gamut of entourage and HONOR of your fucking family into it is telling I am afraid. This leads society down a dark path.

Dignity culture is far better. And if he hits you, you may hit him back. If he draws a gun at you, you may shoot him, but the black guy in this case at best expected a hit or maybe a knife, he did not expect the other guy to go all psycho on him and shoot him. If I had to shoot every guy who did something offensive to me I would be a mass-murderer already and most men here would be as well.

The West is as civilized not because we shy away from violence. We just use it when it is appropriate. Otherwise your country descends into a violent shithole and no one wants to live in it - or better put the entire world comes to live in it, because it is not a violent shithole. Of course some bring that shithole mentality with them and feel like decapitating a jerk works in drug cartel country, so it should work in the USA as well.

Post: #112

(11-17-2016 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But by definition, no hero has a vagina.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #113

I pointed out a hottie Trump supporter news anchor that was attacked for supporting Trump on Facebook.

Turns out she was fired.

   

   

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...621181.php

Post: #114

(11-18-2016 04:07 AM)Penta Sahi Wrote:  I pointed out a hottie Trump supporter news anchor that was attacked for supporting Trump on Facebook.

Turns out she was fired.


http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...621181.php

Fox is still partly Saudi and globalists owned. They started to support Trump only after the primaries. Before that they went against their viewership who were on the Trump train long before.

They will backstab him any chance he opposes the globalists.

There are no mainstream media friends out there - only enemies who pretend.

Post: #115

(11-17-2016 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Deleted.

Rephrased.

These commenters should be sent a very simple question.

"Political violence is a two way street. Are you saying you want to go there?"

Post: #116

delete double

Post: #117

(11-18-2016 05:23 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Here a Reddit thread and list of attacks:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm...h=1346b5cc

Quote:We are seeking unity and peace through truth, not retaliatory violence.
This is by no means exhaustive, cataloging all of them would take many hours more. I am only including politically motivated leftist violence for which there is verifiable evidence (police statements, videos, or photos):
15 year-old beaten by 4 classmates for wearing MAGA hat, punched, thrown to the ground and kicked, charges filed -- https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday..../93991178/
man beaten by multiple assailants for voting Trump as they taunt him -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ4_zVa2Uw4 (his description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHWNV-6urmU)
hispanic man chased and beaten by a mob for wearing MAGA hat -- http://sendvid.com/t9nn151i
elementary student beaten by classmates, left in crutches for voting Trump in mock election -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52EoprTSouU
high school student beaten into critical condition for posting BlueLivesMatter on Facebook -- http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/03/alabam...ter-video/
mob of anti-police rioters attacking a young white man, cheering as they beat, drag and strip him -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yYARGFKbM
Trump supporter shot during political argument -- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...and-bar-d/
female in high school being beaten by another student for posting pro-Trump Instagram comment, as classmates cheer -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgHt0s2UQHQ
Michael Sandford, British national, tries to assassinate Donald Trump, tries to steal gun from Las Vegas police officer at Trump rally -- http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/politics/t...e-officer/
bloody violence against Trump supporters outside San Jose rally -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...ide-rally/ [we should really break this into multiple items, one for each victim, here's a few]
teen chased by mob, tackled, hit multiple times for supporting Trump at a rally -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTrYhrHsG-s [two arrested]
man sucker punched, knocked to ground for supporting Trump at a rally -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlF1B1KeWJI
man struck with object from behind ends up bleeding, for supporting Trump at a rally -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmBXNE8gZvI
[ no time to see if this is all San Jose, but appears to document multiple individual assaults. Would appreciate help identifying video of the individual incidents -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF_eGq6KKUs ]
anti-police rioters kicking a homeless man for being white near anti-police riot, all cheer -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tdiYJNLNI
anti-police protestors trying to set reporter on fire, because they're mad -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfxCDnARNOI
man left bloody for attending a Trump rally, rocks thrown at cars, etc, in Costa Mesa, -- https://youtu.be/8K1wEgDdO64 (17 arrests from the riot)
two men beat Trump supporter for holding sign, police intervene to save him -- http://fox61.com/2016/11/12/meriden-offi...-arrested/
62 year old man beaten with crowbar for wearing Trump shirt, in front of witnesses -- http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/0...trump.html
Unclear or late-breaking incidents:
32 year old Mitchell Mormon shot and killed during already raging argument where he voiced support for Trump -- http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/.../467563214
it's not yet clear whether the man would have shot him regardless of the Trump statement, information still developing
a crowd surrounding, menacing, bumping and yelling at an old, homeless black lady, for supporting Trump who eventually falls over then jeer at her -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrqayR0Y4Pg
(this is the famous Hollywood star defender) Borderline violence, close enough. What do you think?
male teens driving around stealing Trump signs, rejoicing when a girl is getting beaten by another male ? http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-c...yard-sign/ -- http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/10/03/...-it-video/ --
story is that she tried to stop them from stealing her sign, can someone confirm this?
man attacked, choked on subway by two men for wearing MAGA hat -- http://abc7ny.com/politics/man-wearing-t...y/1608588/
this is an example of one that I'm not sure belongs, because I can't find anything about eyewitnesses or arrests. But I wanted it to be clear that I'm aware of it
There are many more. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me round out the list (or fix inaccuracies.) Would also like to use each victim's name.
It really is worth providing a counter to the prevailing narrative that there has been a lopsided wave of right-wing, politically-motivated violence this year. In reality, the vast majority of folks on both sides are peaceful, but if we were forced to decide, the violent left is responsible for a greater number of vicious documented attacks than the right.
Maybe seeing this list will encourage the average leftist to reconsider whether the (so far, mostly alleged, not documented) instances of post-election violence they are seeing really should be ascribed to the average Trump supporter or to the President-elect himself.
Would they like if we did the same to them?
Also this article lists some of the false or misunderstood post-election accusations against Trump supporters: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/electi...tack-false
We are seeking unity and peace through truth, not retaliatory violence.

You will see plenty of non-White Trump supporters getting hurt like this veteran who was shot:



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...and-bar-d/

We are in it together.

Quote:Paul Jones Jr., 60, said he was at his neighborhood bar Winston’s Place near E. 131st Street and Miles Avenue at about 6 p.m. talking politics with a friend, a local ABC News affiliate reported.
Mr. Jones, a Vietnam veteran, said he was discussing his support for Mr. Trump as president when another man voiced his disagreement.
“Somebody who was butting in on the conversation,” Mr. Jones told ABC from his hospital bed. “The conversation wasn’t directed at him or to him.”
Mr. Jones said the man got visibly angry and stormed out of the bar. He came back armed with a gun, Mr. Jones said.

Post: #118

So my thread was renamed after all. I guess even here at the RVF there are words which cannot be spoken.

Post: #119

I don't think that's the issue redpillage.

It's because the thread turned into a race thread instead of cataloging violence against Trump supporters.

Post: #120

(11-18-2016 01:28 PM)redpillage Wrote:  So my thread was renamed after all. I guess even here at the RVF there are words which cannot be spoken.

Nah - but the forum is not a democratic venue - decisions are made by a few men and ultimately by Roosh. Even if you may sometime disagree with them, we are still pulling on the some side.

Besides - I agree that we don't need more divisions among ourselves. Black on White crimes are a fact, but that is another topic from Anti-Trump-supporter attacks. Some links above are from the BlackLivesMatter Carolina riots - here for example attacking a homeless man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tdiYJNLNI

But as I said - that is another issue. Also - what is the surprise there - 85% single mother raised feral kids. Do we need to say anything more?

Either way - the media cucks and cherry picks data that Trump election led to an increase in hate crimes AGAINST BLACKS, MUSLIMS & GAYS!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/pos...index.html

God - I hate those lying scum. The most credible instances I could find there were cases of graffiti. Fuck - give me graffiti any day before mindless beatings, riots and shootings.

The lying scum media bastards. At least they mention in the end that most of the violent attacks were done TO THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND NOT BY TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

Post: #121

(11-18-2016 01:28 PM)redpillage Wrote:  So my thread was renamed after all. I guess even here at the RVF there are words which cannot be spoken.

Someone's inbox likely got spammed by the same people who tried to get Samseu banned.

Post: #122

(11-18-2016 04:17 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 04:07 AM)Penta Sahi Wrote:  I pointed out a hottie Trump supporter news anchor that was attacked for supporting Trump on Facebook.

Turns out she was fired.


http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...621181.php

Fox is still partly Saudi and globalists owned. They started to support Trump only after the primaries.

Corrected for you: They started to support Trump only after FBI director (God bless him) Comey stated (in his short but game-changing letter to Congress) that the FBI was still interested in Hillary's (email-server) criminal case. Fox took D. Trump's side only when they sensed that the beast, Hillary, was mortally wounded... (only real friends D. Trump had there, were Hannity and O'Reilly - and God bless them, too!)

Post: #123

(11-18-2016 02:01 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 01:28 PM)redpillage Wrote:  So my thread was renamed after all. I guess even here at the RVF there are words which cannot be spoken.

Someone's inbox likely got spammed by the same people who tried to get Samseu banned.

Wouldn't be the first time I get banned for speaking truth. To me this is scary frankly and I'm rather disappointed to see it happen here. As soon as the word 'white people' is being used one is accused of race baiting, somebody swings the ban hammer, or at minimum content gets moderated.

Post: #124

(11-18-2016 02:14 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 02:01 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 01:28 PM)redpillage Wrote:  So my thread was renamed after all. I guess even here at the RVF there are words which cannot be spoken.

Someone's inbox likely got spammed by the same people who tried to get Samseau banned.

Wouldn't be the first time I get banned for speaking truth. To me this is scary frankly and I'm rather disappointed to see it happen here. As soon as the word 'white people' is being used one is accused of race baiting, somebody swings the ban hammer, or at minimum content gets moderated.

Using the words "White People" in political situations, as things currently stand in the world, amounts to giving weapons to our devious leftist adversaries (who, amusingly one might say, are most of the times White themselves), weapons to demonize the Right.

Also, not everyone among the Trump's supporters who are attacked or insulted around the world, is White, so, technically the change in the thread-title is warranted. Anyway, redpillage, your thread is interesting whatever its actual title is.

Post: #125

(11-18-2016 04:37 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Using the words "White People" in political situations, as things currently stand in the world, amounts to giving weapons to our devious leftist adversaries (who, amusingly one might say, are most of the times White themselves), weapons to demonize the Right.

Also, not everyone among the Trump's supporters who are attacked or insulted around the world, is White, so, technically the change in the thread-title is warranted. Anyway, redpillage, your thread is interesting whatever its actual title is.

Okay, so even though a vast majority of the people being attacked thus far happens to be white it would be 'technically incorrect' and thus a title change was warranted? Or it hurt some people's feelings and thus had to be changed?

You know this sounds a LOT like the type of argument that's been very effectively used in the European press in order to silence critics: "Not ALL Muslims are terrorists so criticizing Islam and its followers for preaching hate is racist/xenophobic/hate speech."

The main reason for adding 'and white people' was due to various perpetrators singling out whites at the basis of their skin color. Do I really have to post the videos and news reports here again? It was crystal clear that white was being identified with being a Trump supporter. HOW MANY TWEETS HAVE WE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS THAT SPECIFICALLY DEMONIZED WHITES? Just type in 'white people trump' in your twitter app and you'll spend a pretty entertaining evening perusing the inspiring words our fellow citizens have in store for their pigment deprived contemporaries.

I have said it before and I'll say it again: Talking about violence against white people does not make me a racist and neither does it detract from the fact that non-whites are being attacked as well, regardless of the statistics. Congratulations, you know live in a world where there is NO PLACE where violence against whites can be discussed without launching a shit storm.

If you are white then you may want to take the weekend to ponder that fact and in particular what it says about your true social standing in the world. This was supposed to be a last resort of free speech and truth. How quickly we are folding to demands of censorship despite the fact that nobody who contributed here ever made a single racist remark, quite on the contrary.

But no - it had the words 'white people' in it - it had to go.