Post: #1

Briefly, I’m a 21-year-old university student and I see hot girls everywhere on campus and occasionally in my mostly male program. How do I initiate conversation with them as I pass by them with the goal of progressing to a bang/relationship if I like them beyond their looks? How do I generally progress from that initial conversation? This isn't something that comes naturally me. The furthest I have been with a girl is making out, I have never fucked or been in a relationship with a girl and I feel like there is a whole world I’m missing out on. I want to make the best time I have on campus as I don't live on site and I have a busy program so I don't have as much time as I want to devote to chasing poon.

For a bit about myself: socially I’m a late bloomer. I was an edgy socially reclusive shit all throughout high-school and as such I have only really learned to make friends and etc over the last two years or so. I’m still kinda inexperienced in that department in that I don’t really know how to say approach a stranger at a party and get that instant rapport other people get, romantic or otherwise.

The big issue for why I came here is that my instincts don’t yield results with girls I’m interested in. I flat out do not know how to escalate. I can recognise the signs mostly (I have received signs from girls who I am not interested in) and from there I imagine bumble along to a bang but otherwise don’t really have much going on in that department.
Any ideas or links to resources related to this would be appreciated.

Post: #2

You are the poster child for reading "Bang" and "Day Bang". These two books cover everything you are asking about.

And just keep searching and reading RVF. Tons of knowledge here as you progress.

Post: #3

When you talk to a stranger, how do you know

1) If they want to keep talking to you
2) When they do not

The MORE things that you can think of, the net better off you will be.

If you can only think of 5 for each, a book on game won't help you

WIA

Post: #4

Dude youre 21, you ARE at the beginning.

Post: #5

Are you going to the gym?

Start going to the gym if you're currently not and get on the Starting Strength program.

Post: #6

At this stage, you are battling with 'headgame'. The more you can stay out of your own head, the better these interactions will go.

One way to do this is to create a very generic look that can make you feel comfortable while at the same time being 'cool' enough for women to allow you the 30 seconds you need. As you get success here, start creating the man you want to be bit by bit.

College is interesting because many girls are feeling the exact same way you are. They feel this pressure to be cool and hook up, but deep down they don't want to or know how to.

Just stopping a girl and being friendly for a few minutes can go a long way in life, not just in college.

I too was in a VERY male dominated program, which in the end was better as it allowed me mistakes with girls in the general campus without fear of social stigma (which is not really a thing, unless YOU make it a thing).

Post: #7

If you have no experience at all, I would start with something easier. Chances for scoring during daygame are not so high, if you are not experienced and lack of success could result in anxiety. I wouldn´t skip the daygame (train socializing), but focus on night game or date a girl you found online. It´s much easier access to pussy and it may give you experience and the most important self-confidence. Once you get a girl, everything will be much easier then.

Post: #8

(10-11-2016 02:52 PM)creativetriangle Wrote:  How do I initiate conversation with them as I pass by them

1) Stop her with verbal and physical cues. (I do not recommend that you do this a lot -- Try it a few times but don't over use this tactic -- It's an advanced skill. )

2) As she passes you.. Turn around, speed up, catch up to her and walk along side of her.. Then, initiate your verbal cue.

3) As she passes you.. Turn around, speed up, catch up to her and walk in front of her while pretending to not notice her...Then, after a few steps, turn over your shoulder and open her.

4) As she passes you.. Turn around, speed up, catch up to her and wait for her to stop.. Then, open her.

Those are your 4 options when a girl is walking passed you.

(10-11-2016 02:52 PM)creativetriangle Wrote:  How do I generally progress from that initial conversation?

Make comments/questions/statements about things that interest you..

But, more important than that... Try to get her talking about things that interest her..

Let her guide the conversation..

Try to identify her passions and interests.. Ask about them..

(10-11-2016 02:52 PM)creativetriangle Wrote:  I flat out do not know how to escalate.

I used to struggle with escalation.

I came up with this little sequence...

Touch her playfully in a non sexual way. Grab her arm to get her attention. Touch your leg against hers and pretend its an accident. Better yet, put your leg close to hers so it will seem like she touched you first. Gently, touch her shoulder or forearm when you guys are laughing together. Playfully, tap or "slap" her on the leg when she disagrees with you. Grab her arm and give it a gentle squeeze when you agree on something.. These are just basic examples of playful non sexual touching.

The next step for me is "Soft-Stroking". (Gently and lightly running my fingers over her skin)

I often start with her hands, rubbing them and caressing them.

I "soft stoke" her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders, taking my time before moving higher. I caress her collarbone and neckline, rub her back and run my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I run my lips over her neck and hair line..

I go for the make out, I rub her ass.

This little progression helped me when I was a beginner.

Post: #9

(10-12-2016 10:51 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Dude youre 21, you ARE at the beginning.

When you're 21, you feel old when you compare yourself to your 16 year old self (and it's [21], BTW, also the age when you finally realize you can't check out high school girls anymore). When you're 28, you feel old when you compare yourself to your 21 year old self...

It's like this: When you think you're too old, wait a few years and then you convince yourself you were wrong then, and now you're too old, and then...

Post: #10

So you mentioned you're not wanting some types of girls correct? Which ones and can you hit it to get your feet wetter?

Post: #11

OP I hope the intermediate and advanced level veterans will contribute. I am a newbie but I'll speak from experience.

Start today and persist. What you want to do will lead to some awkward moments, embarrassment and maybe humiliation as you figure out this new world, but have thick skin.
Your biggest challenge is ACCESS to girls. They may be plentiful on campus but college social life is all about social circles and cliques. There is a high level of insularity that you have to overcome. You are probably not one of the 'cool guys' or friends with any, neither are you a trendy dresser or have a remarkable physique. In summary, you probably don't get noticed by girls and neither do you frequently go to places where they socialise. I also assume your general conversation skills stand to improve, meaning talking to all sorts of people, including other males.
What type of vibe do you give off? Are you awkward, and would girls feel uncomfortable around you? Are you a nice, agreeable person? (this is an unattractive trait to girls).

Here are a couple of things you should know now - college girls are looking for sex / there are already girls who like you a lot but you probably haven't noticed / stop focusing on your 'type' of girl / be courageous / you are in a pussy paradise so make the most of these years / improve your social skills just as much as your soon-to-be-born game skills (just learn how to have a conversation with anyone in the world) / develop your own niche (broadcast to the world of girls what your interests and hobbies are / get out of the way of your own success (learn to not cock block yourself ) / remember that girls naturally perceive things without having to resort to confirmatory facts / be patient / don't put up with BS from girls (they play many games that they want you to lose).

There's a lot more.

So read up on game. Search through this forum. My best tip is to read about situations you are facing at a particular time, instead of overloading your brain with game literature. There are some things you'll be doing right naturally without having read instructions about.

Post: #12

Make it easy on yourself, and read some Game literature. Bang is a classic, and I also like the book How to connect with women by Wayne Elise aka Juggler. Reading + the help from all the winners who post here = you'll be getting some quality poon... if you put in the work

Post: #13

Giovonny: Excellent post all round. This stuck out for me the most though

(10-12-2016 03:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Then, initiate your verbal cue....open her...open her.

Do you have any recommendations for canned openers that can fit in this context to get me started? All I can think of is asking for directions but that's limiting further interaction

Post: #14

(10-12-2016 11:08 AM)Laner Wrote:  At this stage, you are battling with 'headgame'. The more you can stay out of your own head, the better these interactions will go.

Thanks for pointing this out. It's something I don't keep in mind enough.

(10-12-2016 08:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  So you mentioned you're not wanting some types of girls correct? Which ones and can you hit it to get your feet wetter?

Online exploits who I would just say anything I felt like to to amuse myself before I started socialising in the 'real world'. They're overseas.

Post: #15

(10-13-2016 05:48 AM)creativetriangle Wrote:  Giovonny: Excellent post all round.


Do you have any recommendations for canned openers that can fit in this context

I don't like "canned openers".. I like to observe something specific about the girl and comment on it..

On a very basic, beginner level.. I might just ask her about school since you are both on school campus..

"hey how was class today?"

"hey how are you?"

On a slightly more advanced level, you can try to "cold read" her:

"cool shoes, you must be a fashion major?"

"nice necklace, are you an artist?"

"you're so fit, are you like a dance major?'

On deeper psychological level, you can try to engage her emotionally:

"you look sad, are you okay?"

"OMG you're totally playing Pokemon/Tinder" (if she is looking at her phone) (credit to WIA for this line)

"you look happy!"

Just some ideas to get you started.

Post: #16

1. Throw out TV, videogames, or computer games. I'm reading into it that those didn't help you in high school

2. Join a social organization

3. Make some friends. Having high quality male friends who can support you in social endeavors is super important

Post: #17

Read everything Gio's ever posted.

Post: #18

My advice: go out to some bars by yourself. Try and talk to a few guys who look like players and try and befriend them. Go out with them and ask for their advice, and watch them when you go up to groups in bars or clubs.

People learn fastest by copying. Something to do with mirror neurons. Lol.

Monkey see monkey do.

Trying to blaze your own trail when you haven't even calibrated what the endpoint even looks like is going to lead to a lot of frustration. You'll be trying things that clearly do not work. Avoid that and find some sort of mentor.

Post: #19

(10-11-2016 06:24 PM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  You are the poster child for reading "Bang" and "Day Bang". These two books cover everything you are asking about.

And just keep searching and reading RVF. Tons of knowledge here as you progress.

This

I've moved on to other material I consider more advanced, but "Bang" + "Day Bang" should be ideal for you

Post: #20

Practice and fake it till you make it.

(10-12-2016 11:08 AM)Laner Wrote:  At this stage, you are battling with 'headgame'. The more you can stay out of your own head, the better these interactions will go.

One way to do this is to create a very generic look that can make you feel comfortable while at the same time being 'cool' enough for women to allow you the 30 seconds you need. As you get success here, start creating the man you want to be bit by bit.

Nailed it. You just gotta practice and put your self out there to fuck up. Eventually it will click that you're actually a cool guy that girls need to talk to. Like Laner said developing a look that makes you feel confident (or help you fake it) helps big time; definitely helped me.
When I'm out in my red blazer I feel like jesus christ. Find something that you like to wear that you think is fly and own it.