Post: #1

Hey whats up guys, I've been a long time lurker and reader of the forum. Recently finished college and I have a while before I start medical school, and I'm trying to turn my life around and embrace a more alpha state of mind.

Basically, I have been what people call a 'keyboard jockey', AKA someone who reads everything online about game, approaching, etc, etc but doesn't do shit in real life. I've done several approaches, but those were when the girl gave heavy eye-contact, hair tosses, sat next to me, and basically spoon-fed me the approach on a silver platter.

So the point of this thread is my journey of transformation. From now on, I will make a post every day about at least 1 approach, and it will be the real deal. If I succeed, I will write about every sweet morsel of my victory. If I crash and burn, I will spare no detail about how I failed, and I will be unforgiving in correcting and improving myself.

I hope to learn from more experienced members about the Game, and I hope that one day newbies that stumble across this forum can find solidarity in my experiences and find a point to start from just like I am doing now.

Post: #2

Learn through experience. Learn from both success and failure. After you get a bunch of approaches under your belt, you will have the confidence to approach in any kind of situation.

After getting a high approach number, I began looking at my inner self to see how I can improve my appearance, as well as physical attributes. My confidence grew higher as I got bigger and stronger and my approaches became more natural and less forced. Everything seemed to click.

There are members here who are much more knowledgeable than I am, but, I'm just trying to help you establish a baseline.

Post: #3

(02-09-2014 12:50 AM)edtf Wrote:  So the point of this thread is my journey of transformation. From now on, I will make a post every day about at least 1 approach, and it will be the real deal. If I succeed, I will write about every sweet morsel of my victory. If I crash and burn, I will spare no detail about how I failed, and I will be unforgiving in correcting and improving myself.

I hope to learn from more experienced members about the Game, and I hope that one day newbies that stumble across this forum can find solidarity in my experiences and find a point to start from just like I am doing now.

^ Good spirit. If you do this, you'll come out as a much better person and player in no time.

As remington said, learn from your success and failure.

I will add that stay positive and optimistic at all times. Things won't go your way in the beginning, but hopefully they will fall in place soon.

Post: #4

Hope to hear more. If you create a blog, let us know.

Post: #5

Hey guys, thank you for the support.

So Day 1 ....

Busy moving out of my apartment and getting work done, no time to hit up any places for approaching.

On the subway I see a girl sitting down, and I sit across from her. She glances at me, and I return eye contact and she looks away. This goes back and forth throughout the subway ride. We end up getting off on the same stop, and I ask "Hey, do you know how to get to ___ street?" and she says "Yeah, I'll show you". I try to throw out a hook and I say "I've never been to this part of town before", and then she says "I see". She gives me instructions on how to get to the address, and while she's talking I realize her voice is nasally and whiny, and she's wearing braces. She was most likely no older than 16, just really tall which was why I thought she was older. After this we go our separate ways.

However lame an approach this was, it was a big step for me. I had to fight my inner instinct to think, Oh, she's going to think i'm a creep, maybe I shouldn't approach her, and a variety of hamster like reasons my psyche is ingrained with.

Looking back, my approach was probably on the same level as this:




Lessons for me:
I am working on the game, not the girl
Just open with anything innocuous, if she is interested she will hook easily.

Thanks for reading!

Post: #6

Good luck. Just keep pushing yourself.

Post: #7

Keep it up, get to the gym, and you'll improve yourself.

Post: #8

Agreed. Don't let the wins get to your head and the losses get to your heart. It's a fuck off long journey and one that I've just started too. Best of luck brutha

Post: #9

Thanks for the love, guys.

Day 2 ....

I sit down in a coffee shop. Because I have a lot of work to get done on a deadline, I tried to do some legitimate work while scoping the place out for opportunities. A cute redhead sits down on the table in front of me, and gives me eye contact. I begin to think of ways to approach, and I settle on asking her to watch my laptop for a second while i use the restroom, and then I planned to ask her about the book she was reading. As I get up to initiate, suddenly her friend comes over and sits down and they chat and giggle and gossip. God Damn it! I continue with my work, and over the course of an hour, the redhead girl and I exchange glances with each other. I catch her looking in my direction, and when I look back she would quickly glance away.

"Damn it...", I thought, "how can I open her with her friend there? I need to fucking do something." The next half an hour, we keep exchanging glances, and eventually her friend leaves. She sits there for a few minutes, not doing anything. I think to myself, "OK, her friend just left, I'll wait 2 more minutes and then ask her about her book, so it won't be too obvious." Just my luck, a minute later she packs up her stuff. As she leaves, she glances over her shoulder again at me, and I make eye contact with her. After a few seconds, she looks away and then goes on her way.

Lesson I learned today:
I'm a fucking pussy.
I'm a fucking pussy.
I'm a fucking pussy.
I need to stop being a fucking pussy.

Post: #10

As cliche as it sounds it's the truth: Every journey of a thousand miles starts with the one step.

Good luck, keep approaching and keep us posted.

Post: #11

Good luck...I'll subscribe to your post and see how it's going I needed some inspiration myself

Post: #12

At least you acknowledge your shortcomings and are working to overcome them, which is more than what the 99.999% betas out there can say, that alone commands respect in my book.

Don't give up, unlike women, time is on your side.

Post: #13

(02-11-2014 12:06 AM)edtf Wrote:  Lesson I learned today:
I'm a fucking pussy.
I'm a fucking pussy.
I'm a fucking pussy.
I need to stop being a fucking pussy.

I'll give you that you're a pussy. However, that's not the real lesson to be learned here.

The real lesson is one of opportunities presenting themselves and them being fleeting. This means if an opportunity presents itself and you want it, GRAB IT.

Additionally, you're WAY too worried about how you're perceived. You worried about it so much that she NEVER got an opportunity to meet you because you never approached. A not perfect impression is worse than NO impression.

It's not just that you need to stop being a pussy, it's that you need to recognize that EVEN when she was leaving, she'd respect a confident call out "hey girl, come here and sit down before you leave, I've got something to tell you" or as you catch up to her side as she leaves, "Hey, wait a second, I was busy earlier and then you were with your friend but you caught my eye..."

You should definitely be approaching, but you can't look at it as if you are inconveniencing her. You're just being social, nobody being social and reasonably clued in to social conventions is being an inconvenience.

Post: #14

Thanks for the feedback guys, and thanks for showing your support.

Day 4...

Today on the subway I see this beautiful woman, who must have been about 30 years old. We stand next to each other on the platform, and we exchange glances. She smiles at me, and I return the smile. We board the subway, and then throughout the ride, we exchange glances with each other and I freeze up. I don't know what to say. I pussied out again.

I decide to go out and try my luck at night game, and I head down to midtown Manhattan, where I head down to the bar at the Standard in the Meatpacking district. The place is pretty dead. I see an average looking blonde girl next to the bar, who is texting and reading a magazine by herself, and I ask her if the seat is free. She says it is, and I take it. I try to open by asking if the beer she is drinking is any good. She says it is, and from her body language I can feel she's not very interested. I finish up my beer and bail to the next venue.

On the way to the next place, I'm crossing the street when I notice this cute brown-haired girl standing on the intersection. She glances at me, then looks away, and then does a double take glance. I figure, OK, mad IOI, time to open. I cross with her at the intersection, and as I am about to ask her about some location, she actually opens me first and asks me where the nearest A train is. I start talking to her, while pulling up the subway map on my phone. I realize its only a block away, and in the same direction I'm heading. While we walked together, we started talking and she asked me where I was from. I told her I was from California, and found out she was from South Africa. We talk a little bit about how nobody in New York is actually a native, and we reach the subway station. Before she gets on, I say "Hey, this is kind of direct, but I think you're cute. Can I get your number, maybe we can hang out sometime." She says yes and I hand her my phone and she inputs her number. First direct game number close!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSS!!!!!!!!

After this, I hit up the PHD bar (much props to the member on the forum who recommended this place on a Tuesday night). I walk in this place is bumping! Models everywhere! I befriend this group of guys at a table, and then they hook me up with drinks. Had I gone to the bar for the same amount of alcohol, that would have set me back about 50 bucks. I walk around the venue, looking for prospects. Basically, my strategy is to try to make eye contact with every girl who passes by. If a girl makes eye contact with me, then I will go in on it. As I walk by a table, I notice a dark-haired girl looking at me. I look back at her, and she holds eye-contact. I smile and say "Hey, how are you?" We begin talking, and she touches her hand to my arm while we make small talk. I put my hand on her hip, and she doesn't mind. We continue talking, and she says that she doesn't want to ignore her friends all night. She says that I should take her number and give her a call tomorrow. I get her number, and she gives me a hug, and I continue on for more prospects.

As I'm standing next to the bar, I catch the eye of a tall blonde girl. I smile at her, and she smiles back. I walk over and introduce myself, and ask how she is. She says that she is looking out for a friend, who has dissapeared. I say, "No problem, we can be friends", while I touch her arm. She asks me if I'm Chinese, and I say that I'm American, but I can speak Chinese. She starts busting out phrases in Mandarin, and it impresses me. She tells me she has a thing for Asian guys. Damn, this is on! I thought. I ask her for a kiss on the cheek, and she asks if I want to buy her a drink first. Yes, I know! Alpha-mentality, do not fall for it! But in this case, I have my buddies at the table with bottle service covering drinks for me, so I figure, what the hell, doesn't cost me anything, and it will probably boost my social value if she knows I have a table. I put my arm around her waist and guide her to the table, no resistance. I introduce her to the dudes at the table, with my arm still around her waist, and I ask her "what's her poison". She says vodka with any juice, and I invite her to mix a drink. She says that all the cups on the table are dirty, and she will go to the bar to get a clean one. I watch her out of the corner of my eye, she goes to the bar, walks past it, and dissapears out the exit. What the fuck? Nevermind, I move on.

I walk around the venue again, and then I meld into the table of a group of black girls. After a few minutes, one of them starts to talk to me. Damn she's cute, I thought. I learn that she's a student, and part time model, and we start talking about African American issues, interlaced with jokes and flirting and touching. She introduces me to her friends, whom I hit it off with. I start talking to her again, and I make her laugh like crazy, while keeping up the kino. Suddenly, her other friend says they have to leave. She looked reluctant, and she said for me to get her number and send her a text, so we can stay in touch. I get her number.

I walk back at my table, and a duo of blonde girls is sitting there. I say hi to them, and realize they're from Norway.We make small talk, one of the girls leaves, and I start dancing with the other girl. The girl brings up that she's part of a whole group of Norwegians, and she points to their table. After a few minutes of dancing, She points to me and the points to her table. Another guy at that table says "HEY! My friend here is interested in you!" He points to this blonde girl next to him. I dash over there, and because I'm buzzed as hell, I lose my coordination and cant remember which one is her. Fuck, I lost her. Nevermind, I go back and dance with the other girl.

One of the dudes I met who had bottle service asked me if I wanted to bounce to another venue. He said it was the best place after 3am, and that everyone was heading there. Turned out to be super lame, and I got solicited by a prostitute/escort there. We go out for pizza, another mistake.



Lessons learned:

Basically all the approaches tonight were in some way initiated by the girl. Although they were cute, I was not the one to initiate, therefore they could not be considered as me closing them. Rather, it was the girl closing me.

Never bounce from a venue if everything is going your way.

*Misc lesson: Fell asleep on the subway and ended up in the Bronx in the middle of the night. Don't do this!!


More to come about the number closes, and where it goes from here.

Thanks for reading guys, and thanks for the love.

Post: #15

Update on the numbers I got:

One of the girls, i thought it would be fun when I got her number, to have her send a text message from her drunk self to her sober self. Now thinking back on it, that was a horrible idea. She wakes up with a text message from an unknown number saying 'You''re beaotiful'.

The black model girl, I texted her just my name. She texts back saying good afternoon, and that it was nice meeting you. I text back that I enjoyed meeting her too, and that I wanted to grab drinks with her this week. No response.

The girl that I number closed on the street did not reply to my text saying, "Hey its __, here is my number!"

All flakes, damn.

Post: #16

As you probably know you are not alone in experiencing flakes.. and it doesn't help when getting a number to know that statistically it's going to be a flake anyway.

Post: #17

one of the girls texted me back asking if I would be free next friday. However she took a day to respond to the text. In your guy's experience, how would you handle this?

Post: #18

Which of the girls?

Post: #19

(02-13-2014 11:00 AM)edtf Wrote:  one of the girls texted me back asking if I would be free next friday. However she took a day to respond to the text. In your guy's experience, how would you handle this?

I generally wait at least as long as she waits to reply. If she takes a day, you should take at least a day in return. Just remember that appearing overeager is the kiss of death.

Quote:The girl that I number closed on the street did not reply to my text saying, "Hey its __, here is my number!"

This is a small thing but avoid exclamation marks when texting (the same goes for question marks).

Quote:All flakes, damn.

Flakes are a fact of life, don't even worry about it.

Post: #20

Saga, what makes you say that question marks are a bad thing?

What about returning the text just a little earlier than she did? She was probably not just lazy about returning the text, she was probably thinking about it. Edtf doesn't have to think about it as he initiated the meet up.

I mean, if she would return a text a month later making some apology for the late reply I wouldn't wait another month to reply.

Post: #21

(02-13-2014 11:12 AM)Mr Me Wrote:  Which of the girls?

the black model girl

Post: #22

Good.

Post: #23

(02-13-2014 11:27 AM)Mr Me Wrote:  Saga, what makes you say that question marks are a bad thing?

I think it makes the texter appear more emotionally invested than if you just imply the question without it. Compare:

"Are you going out tonight?"

vs

"You going out tonight"

It's subtle but it makes a noticeable difference in my opinion.

Quote:What about returning the text just a little earlier than she did? She was probably not just lazy about returning the text, she was probably thinking about it. Edtf doesn't have to think about it as he initiated the meet up.

First of all, it doesn't matter whether she was thinking about it or not. If she takes a long time to respond (for whatever reason) and you reply back relatively quickly, it makes you look overeager and that's the ball game, you're signalling that this matters a lot to you and women hate that. Second, in all likelihood she wasn't thinking about it...girls don't reflect deeply on this stuff, especially not someone she just met.

Quote:I mean, if she would return a text a month later making some apology for the late reply I wouldn't wait another month to reply.

In that case I wouldn't respond at all unless she had a very good reason, was a straight 9.5 or above and I was in a good mood that day...and even then it'd be about a week before I got back to her. But for real, if she makes you wait a month...forget her, she'll undoubtedly make you wait a month again because she already got away with it once. Don't tolerate women who disrespect you and treat your time like it's their personal convenience.

Post: #24

Whenever he's replying, my suggestion for a reply (if that was even a question) would be "next friday sounds good. ill hit you up later". Then contact her again next mid week.

About the one month reply, she might have been in a bad relationship at the time and want to see you now when she is no longer in a relationship. Perhaps you could reply by asking "are you going to take another month to reply again?".

Post: #25

I never suggested to reply back quickly, I was more thinking in lines of maybe 7 to 12 hours. I don't think that should come across as needy.