Post: #251

"My concern would be this, if you're engaging in activism why wouldn't you use your real name"

Stopped reading there. Are you seriously asking this? Given what anyone in the U.K. is going through if they stand up to Islamists, the British government, or the EU?

Post: #252

(03-19-2018 05:00 PM)redpillage Wrote:  "My concern would be this, if you're engaging in activism why wouldn't you use your real name"

Stopped reading there. Are you seriously asking this? Given what anyone in the U.K. is going through if they stand up to Islamists, the British government, or the EU?

Great. You read one sentence of my argument. My view is starting to be confirmed that the political threads are basically cancer--whereby, if someone says something contrarian the echo chamber has a knee-jerk reaction, ignores the substance of the argument, and then writes off whatever the post is.

Post: #253

Tommy has been approached and tricked into being a zionist. It's only a matter of time before he takes his Jew pill and goes on to better things. The man is a legend and a saviour. Emblematic of the working class plight.

Post: #254

(03-19-2018 03:33 PM)Dragan Wrote:  I will try to articulate my issues with Robinson.

1)He has gone by multiple fake names, Tommy Robinson is one, Andrew McMaster, and Paul Harris. Wikiepedia says his name is Stephen Christopher Lennon, and the Guardian says Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. My concern would be this, if you're engaging in activism why wouldn't you use your real name, and if you have to use an alias, use that one alias consistently. This is shapeshifter type behavior and something you would see with either a serial criminal or a spook.

2) He has publicly advocated for zionism. That does nothing to help his case really--if anything it distracts from his message. So either he's poor at messaging and incompetent, or he's purposely diluting his message for some reason.

3) Affiliation with Rebel Media. They are a pro-zionist outlet (research it), and all the people that espoused views that were not-zionist positive were let go. That's a fact. On a different level, I'm surprised the Rebel would want him-- I think a lot of people would view him as a lot more dangerous/provocative than Gavin or Lauren.

4) Admitted street brawler/alcoholic--Doesn't give him much credibility, and makes it hard to scale his movement. People like this are not palatable to the general public. He is basically a political hooligan. He has numerous arrests/convictions for fighting.

5) Left EDL- speaks for itself.

6) Paid to join Quilliam, renounce his past activism, a left of center think tank funded by UK government in the past. Again, speaks for itself.

7. Entered US illegally and arrested- Idiotic.

8. convicted of mortgage fraud- I guess you could argue this was politically motivated, and I'd listen to the argument, but again, doesn't look too good.

9. Getting beat up in prison- This isn't unique to him, in fact this stuff happens all the time, but sure, I'll agree it appears it was politically motivated.

10. given the dynamic in luton I'm surprised he lives there- Who protects him? I would suspect police or private security? But if he has private security, who pays? Does he have a job? Who would hire him? In which case, who is his benefactor?

I just get an uneasy feeling about the guy... Just like Richard Spencer... I can't articulate my uneasiness fully, but these are some of the things off the top of my head, that make me wonder about his media narrative.

And to be clear, I'm not criticizing any of his activism or accomplishments, rather just asking about things that seem in-congruent with being a radical activist in current year. There is of course, a decent chance, his activism is bona fide activism with no outside influence.

I understand being out-grouped on here by the prevailing orthodoxy, I experienced it when I suggested guys were overreacting to Mad Max 4. So, I'll answer your questions as best as I can, in good faith, to the best of my ability and knowledge.

1) He adopted the name Tommy Robinson as it was the name of a famous football hooligan in the Luton Town MIGs Stephen was a part of.

Quote:Ex-MIG, Tommy Robinson (not to be confused with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the self-styled leader of the English Defence League, who took the football hooligan's name), has written two books about his experiences with the firm, Mig Down which charts his own personal 25-year career in football violence, and Mig Crew about the firm itself.

I'm not sure about his other aliases, but I'm guessing similar reasons. So, naming yourself after a thug...Classy? No. High brow? No. But it's his upbringing and his audience, and it's been very effective. If you want what he says with some Oxbridge spin, there's guys like Douglas Murray and James Delingpole.

2) He's a fan of Israel and has been invited there by Israeli citizens who share his dislike of Islam. If you grow up in Britain, you'll know that the hard left/Muslim fundementalists are often incredibly pro-Palestine, so I understand his position. It's no more deep than "this is the only place in the middle east I'd actually be willing to live in". Not everyone you like is going to match your beliefs 100%, but a lot of disaffected young men want to hero worship someone and end up disappointed. Take Tommy for what he is and not something he isn't or doesn't want to be.

3) He's left Rebel Media, but I don't know the reasons. Freedom to create his own material completely autonomously I guess, though I know he's going to be doing some work with Alex Jones and PJW - which some will take as more zionist stuff...as I said (and others have said also), I don't care. His work is valuable in and of itself, there's plenty of JQ-style people one can follow if they're into that stuff. The new right in Europe is less bothered by the Jew stuff than the American new right. Whether that's just due to 'optics' I genuinely don't know. As Gmac said, this thread is about Tommy, not Jews.

4) As I said in point one, this is part of his appeal. It's not classy, but it lends him a genuine working class authenticity that people like Richard Spencer will never have. Who would Antifa rather have a scrap with? Millennial Woes or Tommy Robinson...I know the answer. Nigel Farage is liked by many in the UK, but he called anti-Islam campaigners "racists" when it mattered most, and this won't be forgotten by the white working class. Plus, he's still a rich banker at the end of the day, whose interests does he actually have at heart? With Tommy, you know he's legit. He's lost everything as a result of his politics, the opposite of (for all his epic rants) a self-serving, already-wealthy, narcissist like Farage (or Trump for that matter).

5) Listen to what he says himself. It got infiltrated by skinhead, swastika-tattooed neo-nazis. He isn't one of them, he tried to keep them out and failed. Furthermore, he genuinely cares about stopping radical Islam, and thought street protests did more harm than good (hence the brief fling with the Quilliam organisation).

6) As above, a small tenure and he has since clashed with Nawaz repeatedly after cutting ties. He even stormed their offices. Yes, Quilliam paid him around 10,000 pounds during his time working with them. Just like the UK police offered him substantial amounts to work for them and 'unite the right' under their control. An offer he refused, as discussed in the video interview I posted with Brittany Pettibone. I believe he also may have mentioned them trying to bribe him in his Oxford Union address. When he refused, they arrested him on some more false charges and arrested his heavily pregnant wife, and froze (I guess temporarily) considerable assets. Again, this is all in the aforementioned video.

7) Can't refute that, indeed a silly move.

8) That's been exposed as politically motivated nonsense. He's explained at length exactly what happened, and I 100% believe him. It was basically a guilty plea to try and get the police to leave his family alone. It's in the Oxford Union speech I think, but I'm not completely certain.

9) Again, this was a politically motivated. I'm a little irritated that you've had links posted to various interviews, recently, that go into detail about pretty much everything you've asked/accused, but you simply couldn't be bothered to watch and instead I've had to detail everything rather painstakingly. What he was subject to in prison is something I hope one day he gets a substantial payout for, and I think he will. The prison system has a duty of care to its inmates, even child killers etc, and they didn't just treat it lightly, they went against their own rules to get him hurt (luckily not scarred for life by boiling water laced with sugar so that it sticks).

10) He lives on the outskirts of Luton, in a rural-ish area and yes the Police do 'protect' him, in so much as they watch his every move and this in turn stops people going to his house. He's also gone to great lengths to ensure his wife's photo is not available on the internet. If I have one criticism of him, it's lack of transparency about his finances. I'm not saying he should be expected to fund his own activism, but he must have made a fair whack from his two best selling books, as well as the businesses/properties he claims he has. I don't believe the state has literally taken everything from him financially. I guess he never states donations go to funding his life, he says they fund his work...but once he's bought all the cameras etc that he needs, I'm sure he's pocketing a fair bit of it. This is of course conjecture on my part.

Anyway, hopefully the above has allayed your fears that he's some kind of plant, which Richard Spencer may or may not be. If anything it makes it more outrageous as in the way he's been treated. Spencer advocates for a white ethnostate, Tommy Robinson is mates with loads of working class black lads and gets treated worse than Spencer. Maybe that's due to American free speech rules, or maybe it's something more underhanded, like Spencer being a plant. I don't know. I don't give a shit about Spencer, but I do care a great deal about my country, the white working class (and non-Muslims in general, and non-religious Muslims), and about Tommy Robinson's fantastic work.

Post: #255

Thanks for the response man, definitely some stuff for me to think about.

Looks like we agree about the opaqueness of his finances. And I would say two things: 1)Reminds me of Richard spencer (yeah he's rich, but where does the money come from), 2)reminds me of the Mercers (financiers of Breitbart, Milo and Bannon)-- would feel a lot better if the financing were more above board, and furthermore, coming from regular people.

Post: #256

If Tommy Robinson is real, then I don't care about his finances. Most folk would not risk what he risks for 200.000 $ per year. He is by the way literally the high-IQ working class guy I mention sometimes in examples - his plumbing business before the persecution had a turnover of 500.000$. High-IQ plumbers who end up owning their own businesses. The other stuff were likely his rental properties that he bought due to his credit worthiness. The government probably only froze those assets for a time. Still - possible that he lost the properties since mortage payments were no longer made and his income from his main trade was gone.

Either way - even if he made 1 mio. $ per year, then it would be worth it. The other hucksters get government money to a high degree and no one cares if they have multi-million dollar wages.

Post: #257

Zel: As far as I know, he also owned a tanning salon business.

Dragan: Thanks, and I hope it does.

If it makes you feel any better, "regular people" like me and my friends have donated to Tommy. I've also had personal interactions with him, repeatedly (as documented in this thread), albeit it online, not in real life.

Milo is a posh rich kid with a private school education and a ton of privilege (sorry to use lefty phrases), Tommy/Stephen is the opposite, I don't think it's fair to compare. If anything, I do find it quite, 'unsettling', when guys like him and James Delingpole fawn over Tommy, when in all actuality they most likely detest (white) working class people...simply due to the class dynamics of the UK. In fact, Delingpole does, as evidenced by his "I don't want state school kids going to good universities" diatribe. Which is discriminatory against clever middle class kids, never mind people from Tommy's background.

Post: #258

I'm not a fan of the controlled opposition narratives. You need a lot of evidence to pin those theories down. Most controlled opposition theories are very thin and often based on little more than if a small company owned by non-practicing Jews advertise with you. Other than mainstream people, the only figure I'm really suspicious of being a plant is Glenn Beck, but it could just be he is insane. Spencer may be controlled. I don't really care. I don't spend any time thinking about him, or ANTIFA, or any other fringe irrelevant group.

On Robinson, as mentioned, he is working class. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in the UK the working class has virtually zero representation anywhere in society. They've all been purged from the anti-Labour party, virtually nothing in the media, the schools are mainly run by white middle-class women. All the affirmative action that used to be afforded them (which wasn't much) has been done away with in favour of Labour's radical Muslims and multiclturalism. I really can't see how anti-Labour have held on to so much of the working class vote. But even in the last election there was about a 7% decline in working class support for Labour with a democratic socialist leader who rolled back some of the metro-Blairism. If you look at places like Stoke, they used to get 70-80% for Labour with very good turn outs. Now the turnout has waned to close to 50% and the fake Conservative Party managed to claw a seat there for the first time in 100 years. It's not hard to find the utter contempt the left bourgeois have for the working class. Check out the Tommy Robinson Twitter parody. That's how the bourgeois talk about the working class when the mics are off. They could roll out the same contempt for the medieval religious opinions of many Muslims, FGM, immigrant crime and violence, but that doesn't do anything for them.

I'm really pleased to see a working class guy fighting against all the odds, not holding back who is now at the point where the mainstream upper-middle class have no idea how to deal with him.

On the topic of Jews. In my work I provide assistance to several entities relating to fraud and terrorism: a few big marketing companies, two of the top ten most traversed airports and a body that deals with vetting immigrants etc. The latter body is all-Jewish. My contact is one or two clicks away from Netenyahu, Trump, Geert Wilders, Douglas Murray... They are a big critic of the EU approach to Islam and says the borders to Europe need to be shut, mosques regulated and a very hard line needs to be taken with Islam. They're pretty much in lock step with the likes of Douglas Murray or Tommy Robinson. They think that European countries should act as Israel does. Some Jews think like this, many don't and as such are paving the way to their own destruction. This is the same position as Ezra Levant: pro-Western civilisation and pro-Israel as a Jewish state.

Post: #259

This Tommy Robinson meme of him being a zionist jew shill plant controlled oppo, really has legs.

You can't have his name mentioned on /pol or on youtube without at least 3 people piping up in unison, and saying as much. What are they trying to say? What is 'controlled opposition'?

* - That he got paid money to sell out in secret?
* - That he got made an offer he couldn't refuse?
* - That he is a snake that is the opposite of his ideological front?
* - That OK, he might not like Islam, but he's dong the Jew's bidding?
* - That he's just another wide boy out for himself and allowed to exist as a useful idiot?

Or maybe a combination of some of the above?

I'm a very distrusting person in absence of hard facts. I have no idea what Tommy's 'game' is. I think I know, but one never can really tell. I do know this: I was brainwashed against him by the media and even after taking the red pill I still didn't think very much of him. But then I had a major change of heart after hearing him put reasoned arguments out there. Seeing the persecution of him and his family by the police. And him still sticking to his guns and giving a rational debate on matters important to him.

Tommy isn't your personal army. When people rise to some kind of prominence so many want them to be standard bearers and proselityzers for their cause or grievance d'jour. As has been pointed out, and should be common sense, you will never agree with anyone 100 percent. Everyone will hold views you don't just not agree with, but probably find outright objectionable. If you dig deep enough. And Tommy's had it dug pretty deep. If this is the best they can come up with after trying to silence him after putting him in a very dangerous position in prison, well, the teeth don't lie do they, Chico? Nice set of gnashers for a Brit. Obviously not real. And we all know why - he got them smashed in. Going a long way to faking things if that is a set up as well.

They put that guy who put bacon in a mosque in to a position where he would be murdered. Sends a message. Duty of care? We have heard of it...

So personally, whilst not being in full possession of the facts (just like the people positing he is a 'spy'), I'll go with the law of mediocrity and assume that he's genuine, whatever that means. I suppose what I mean is that he is sincere in what he says. You might call him misguided or a rabble-rouser. He might be one or the other or both, but as Teedub so pragmatically said "He's the best we got".

Best for what though?

IMO, showing up the hypocrisy and corruption of the establishment (politicians and police and the darker elements that run this country), and that the ordinary man on the Clapham Omnibus has quite frankly had enough of this shit and something better change toot fucking suite.

He's the perfect Man on the Clapham Omnibus. An every-man. Salt of the earth.

We are now heading in to particularly dangerous times, and Tommy is in greater danger than ever. Something is starting to happen, again, as Teedub has touched on, Blacks and Whites are putting aside their petty grievances and starting to unite under a new banner.

The truth is: racism exists, on both sides, to a greater or lesser extent in just about every man's heart. And nowhere more or less than in a place like London. So many of us have black friends, date black women, play and listen to black music (cultural re-appropriation be damned). Etc. etc. and then again, so many of us know and are probably friends with people who are outwardly racist as well. I know that I know both black and white people who admit their 'racism'. But it's racism lite. I also know a few that are extremely hostile to people of a different skin, and they'd be happy to get the race war started as soon as possible.

No, I'm not digressing.

What is happening now is very heartening. Check out some videos by Red Pill Phil - he's that guy that launched in to those Antifa twats and told them what real racism was about. He's mixed race. Has a white wife, and beautiful coffee coloured kids I should imagine. He's really making a name for himself as the voice of reason and separating this whole conflation of the argument between Islam being a proto-fascist movement, and good old-fashioned common or garden 'racism'.

This is what makes this a dangerous time. When black people start coming together with white, the authorities get afraid. Very afraid. They have done a pretty good job of divide/conquer and they don't want anyone spoiling their nasty party.

As an aside, that is why this forum is such a target and such a problem for the people in power. We have a very unique demographic here. We have some very 'openly' black people here, and some very 'openly' white people here. And neither will yield. And nor should they. It heartens me to see the recent race-relations debates fought with such fervor yet such politeness. Some of us are listening/watching even if we don't always contribute. And They certainly are watching for sure.

If you watch some of Red Pill Phil's videos of the recent Tommy Robinson thing at Hyde Park (he's going back there next week as well), then you will see muslims openly attacking Jews and Christians and the police doing absolutely nothing. What kind of message does this send out? If it were a Christian attacking a muslim you'd know about it.

And it is this rank hypocrisy and blatant social engineering that is causing black and white to come together, and for which Tommy is becoming some kind of de-facto standard bearer. So what if he doesn't pounce on the JQ? We all know the score. Jews are over represented in the music industry, in the film industry, accounting. My band was managed by a Jew - a big fat cigar-smoking Jew. Our music lawyer was a Jew. And our accountant was a Cohen. All top of the game. You know about the film industry.

I'll call the Jews out, but I don't hate them. I quite like them in fact, at least on an individual level. Sure they don't want us bad goys marrying their little Beccys and Rachels, but so what? I don't even mind the way they dress. I find it quaint. I even find it admirable the holding on to tradition, in all that they do. But I am critical of them, don't you worry about that, no matter how much I think they wear snappy outfits and all stick together.

It's a complex issue. Too many people are trying to boil this current clusterfuck down to one demographic: It's da juice! Nein, it's da blacks, No, it's women, but what about the rich - the filthy scumbags? It's not even all about Islam per se really when you do boil it down. They have been given the upper hand by other greedy and power hungry white men (and ok, maybe a few Jews too) to divide and conquer so that they may benefit from the spoils of war.

The problem is politicians that make the rules, the media that carry out the brainwashing, and now the police who are becoming the bully boys of the proto-fascist, totalitarian state. Things are changing. People that supported the police last year, don't this year. Don't think they won't shoot you in the UK if they are given the order. They will just be obeying orders.

I didn't want this to be a ramble, but fuck it, it is, so let's go with it.

Is the coming together of white and black people a dangerous thing? Yes it is. Is it a marriage of convenience? Maybe.

Do most black people care? No, they are too busy out mugging people to care about politics.

Do most white people care? No, they are too busy out robbing people's houses to care about politics.

I'm being flippant. Though statistically you are more likely to be mugged by a black person and more likely to have your house burgled by white people. It's just a generalisation of course.

What about those 'Asians' in Chinatown? Do they give a shit? Will they be happy to pick up the pieces and profit from the chaos? Sure, why not.

How many; black, white, asian, are prepared to come together in the name of the greater good? Not many. Most people are out for themselves. So when we see black people having a social conscience coming together with white people who have a social conscience, it's a beautiful thing. A powerful thing. A dangerous thing!

I've beat that horse enough, but I think I've made the point that Tommy Robinson is uniting two previously warring factions. Sure, we still have the idiot racists, but it's not just the white man on the Clapham Omnibus that is getting behind this movement, it's the black man on the Clapham Omnibus. I don't know if you've ever taken a bus through Clapham, but I can assure you that there are quite a few black chaps on there as well.

It's good to have them on our side. And we are on their side as well. We grew up with them. We go out with their sisters. We break bread with them. We drink with them. We make music with them. We go out and listen to music with them. We are not racists and neither are they. Whatever differences we have. I've openly criticised black people to them and they have openly criticised white people to me. Usually a common ground was found.

Tommy is not a racist. He has black friends. Black people love him. They admire his balls. And they know a racist when they see one. I refer back to Red Pill Phil, who knew what it was like to be chased down a street by a pack of 'real' skinheads in Dr. Martens and to get seriously stomped if you were caught. They used to do the same to hippies.

I hate to get all mushy, but the time has come. We need to talk about this. In a measured and respectful manner. It's great to see this being done here on this very forum.

Excuse my little ramble. Back to Tommy.

And the fact that he has been 'called out' (wtf that means) as some kind of fraud or malevolent force. And worse, specifically as a zionist shill.

Well, what about Pat Condell?

Have you seen his videos on the Palestine Question? He's outright hostile to Palestinians. And I think he is wrong. Very wrong. I don't hear him giving facts, just accusations and non-backed up arguments. I agree with what he says about Islam and enrichment, but why so hard on the Palestinians Pat? Did Arafat piss in your real-ale once at a party?

Whatever. I still want Pat to have a voice. I don't agree with everything he says. But I do defend his right to say it. I don't agree with everything Tommy says, you get the picture?

It could be that I am wrong about certain matters. But without free dissemination of information how would I really know? That is what the whole Hyde Park Corner stuff was about: Free Speech, not racism, not ideology, just the ability to speak your mind without being punched by thugs. The muslims really let themselves down on that one.

How would I know how wrong I am without people I respect calling me out on my bullshit? If I don't have a voice to air my possibly somewhat objectionable views, and they don't have a 'forum' to call me on it, how can any of us advance the debate. We can't. And that is what this is about, shutting it down. Shutting the debate down. Oy vey.

I know we don't have free speech in the UK, but Tommy represents the many people that are not happy with that. We demand free speech. We certainly demand you stop labeling our personal opinions 'vile hate speech' and locking us up in prison for it.

It's a new day. More and more people are becoming politicized. More and more people are coming together, and that's both a powerful thing and a dangerous thing. Expect more psy-ops and shenanigans to fracture the whole lot and like Foolsgold said: Take it out the back and shoot it in the head.

This is Red Pill Phil's channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9gXUO6...xCqmjKBenQ

I won't link to any one particular video, but he covers Tommy and his events a lot. He covers marches by veterans as well. The whole free speech thing. He's a great grass-roots journalist and deserves everyone's support.

OK, I'll link to his latest video - it seems pertinent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1zkapejBg

Post: #260

Oops, tried to do an edit to proper links to Red Pill Phil's videos.

Missed that window.


I'm sure fans of Tommy will know Phil and won't mind me posting these up here:

The Storm before the Calm -






Rhyme, Reason, Rationale -

Post: #261

Good stuff Rigsby, when I began that first post I thought "I'm going to have to convince him all over again"

As an aside, Red Pill Phil is a great bloke by all accounts (I know a few people who know him.)

Post: #262

(03-20-2018 07:33 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Excuse my little ramble. Back to Tommy.

And the fact that he has been 'called out' (wtf that means) as some kind of fraud or malevolent force. And worse, specifically as a zionist shill.

Well, what about Pat Condell?

Have you seen his videos on the Palestine Question? He's outright hostile to Palestinians. And I think he is wrong. Very wrong. I don't hear him giving facts, just accusations and non-backed up arguments. I agree with what he says about Islam and enrichment, but why so hard on the Palestinians Pat? Did Arafat piss in your real-ale once at a party?

Whatever. I still want Pat to have a voice. I don't agree with everything he says. But I do defend his right to say it. I don't agree with everything Tommy says, you get the picture?

I am sorry, but anyone who has even remotely studied Islam and the developments in Palestine in the last decades should know that the Palestinians have refused several solid peace treaties, because the only thing that will satisfy them is a return to a full Islamic rule - and a good number of them won't be satisfied until every last Jew in the former Israel is dead.

Islam alone and the re-radicalization of the Muslim world will take care of this.

At best a return of the Jizya and slavery will help them survive. You might want to check out why the Israeli-born Muslims are so peaceful and content while living in Israel and almost no one of them would even want to live in any Muslim country. I am sure the reverse would be true in the Palestinian utopia.

Post: #263

Ooohhh Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson

Post: #264

I think with black people in England it goes either way. There are a lot of young black men in South London who have strong connections with Islam, because it is either their heritage (Nigerians, Somalians). Or due to the prison industry and drug trade, they often call each other Aki. A bit more about the drug trade, 90% of heroin coming in and out of London is controlled by the Turks and Kurds. I won't post statistics about cocaine, because I don't know a lot about that; but there is definitely some unity there.

Further to this, there is this idea among black people, that once the likes of Donald Trump go after the muslims, then the blacks will be next. Ultimately who poses a bigger threat to the black tribe, the white tribe or the muslim tribe ?

On the other hand, muslims and black people are often living on top of each other or very close, so tensions arise.

Post: #265

Post: #266

I'm curious.

If guys who are wise to the JQ don't believe in Zionism, as in "a place for the Jews to go where they can be Jewish for all time" then what is their proposal for handling the JQ?

Do these guys understand that there is a difference between saying "have your homeland and go there please" and saying "I am a goy slave to whatever my Jewish overlords demand of me"?

Post: #267

(03-21-2018 02:03 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I think with black people in England it goes either way. There are a lot of young black men in South London who have strong connections with Islam, because it is either their heritage (Nigerians, Somalians). Or due to the prison industry and drug trade, they often call each other Aki. A bit more about the drug trade, 90% of heroin coming in and out of London is controlled by the Turks and Kurds. I won't post statistics about cocaine, because I don't know a lot about that; but there is definitely some unity there.

Further to this, there is this idea among black people, that once the likes of Donald Trump go after the muslims, then the blacks will be next. Ultimately who poses a bigger threat to the black tribe, the white tribe or the muslim tribe ?

On the other hand, muslims and black people are often living on top of each other or very close, so tensions arise.

You see that play out on this forum as well.

Post: #268

^ Can you really blame them though? I mean, can we say for certain what people like Martin Sellner really think? If Generation Identity got drunk and had a magic button that got rid of every, say black person, from Europe, would they press it? Bit of a silly theoretical question, but I'm sure it crosses non-white RVFers minds. Especially when they see such support for these groups.

Post: #269

And another one bites the dust. Tommy has been 'permanently suspended' from Twitter I understand. Not sure of why exactly yet, not that it matters anymore as they'll just ban who they like (or don't like).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fo...s-12266340

(apologies that the link is to 'The Mirror' but the other choices were the 'Huffpost' or the 'Independent'!)

Tommy's absence from social media will be a particular blow I feel, as for some reason he seemed to resonate with a lot of 'normal' men I've found. The sort of people who would be repelled at Britain First for example, seemed to me to appreciate Tommy's reasoned arguments and his 'football thug' persona.

I just hope that Twitter, Facebook etc hurry up now and get themselves stuck in their own echo-chamber corner and die off, allowing other platforms to get a hold instead. At this rate, I'll have no-one left to follow on Twitter!

Post: #270

That they think they can police speech online is a victory. Virtually every time they make a move they are now reducing themselves to a meme. Prime example:

Met Meme Police

As for Zuckerberg, I can only say thanks for being able to cover up you've been running one of the most morally duplicitous companies of all time, for so long. Never used his platform, but have taken a bite out of his net worth with a 100X leveraged short against Facebook.



On the Count Dankula thread I don't think there is anything in the world he would have liked more than being embroiled in a hate speech case over a Nazi pug. Victories are being served up on gold plates. He's gone from a guy working menial jobs in Scotland to a guy in Scotland earning a menial wage from posting shit to his quarter million followers.

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(03-28-2018 08:16 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  And another one bites the dust. Tommy has been 'permanently suspended' from Twitter I understand. Not sure of why exactly yet, not that it matters anymore as they'll just ban who they like (or don't like).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fo...s-12266340

(apologies that the link is to 'The Mirror' but the other choices were the 'Huffpost' or the 'Independent'!)

Tommy's absence from social media will be a particular blow I feel, as for some reason he seemed to resonate with a lot of 'normal' men I've found. The sort of people who would be repelled at Britain First for example, seemed to me to appreciate Tommy's reasoned arguments and his 'football thug' persona.

I just hope that Twitter, Facebook etc hurry up now and get themselves stuck in their own echo-chamber corner and die off, allowing other platforms to get a hold instead. At this rate, I'll have no-one left to follow on Twitter!

I like Tommy Robinson for these reasons.

Most of the alt-lite/right clearly don't lift, and are essentially the right wing version of the "soy boys" they rail against. Some exceptions of course. Robinson is one of the better examples of classic masculinity in the movement.

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^ Precisely my point earlier in the thread in response to Dragan. Imagine a one-on-one fight between Robinson and Richard Spencer, for example? Spencer would shit himself and plead for it not to go ahead.

I'm not saying it's cool, but it's a lot more authentic to what they're talking about in terms of "kicking Muslims out" etc. I doubt Tommy 'lifts' though either, he's old fashioned British. Probably does a few dumbbell curls now and again and hits a punch bag in the evenings.

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Well, this started my Saturday off in a particularly angry mood. Tommy shared this based Jew's video on his facebook.





If the alt right turned off their Jew stuff for a few years and focused on the more pressing issue of white SJWs, white communists, white anarchists etc then they might draw broader support. Anders Breivik, whilst a mass murderer not to be admired, at least had the correct group in his target sights. I understand that last sentence is incredibly controversial, even for here.

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(04-07-2018 04:44 AM)Teedub Wrote:  Well, this started me Saturday off in a particularly angry mood. Tommy shared this based Jew's video on his facebook.

Some of that Australian accent swearing had to at least put a little smile on your face.

You're a Fakka

On a side note, unfortunately elderly white middle class women may have to be gassed to save society.

Sorry mom.

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(04-07-2018 04:44 AM)Teedub Wrote:  If the alt right turned off their Jew stuff for a few years and focused on the more pressing issue of white SJWs, white communists, white anarchists etc then they might draw broader support. Anders Breivik, whilst a mass murderer not to be admired, at least had the correct group in his target sights. I understand that last sentence is incredibly controversial, even for here.

For every one based Jew there are hundreds of Jewish leftists, activists, atheists and other freaks. Good for him, but he's a drop in the ocean. And where do you think white communists and anarchists get their ideas from?

It's the Jews. That is the pressing issue.