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Tommy Robinson is a committed Zionist. Anyone realize that?

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(03-18-2018 11:46 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Tommy Robinson is a committed Zionist. Anyone realize that?

Stop being such a Jew.

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(03-18-2018 11:52 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 11:46 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Tommy Robinson is a committed Zionist. Anyone realize that?

Stop being such a Jew.

I guess I mention it, because it's not congruent with him being a supposed radical and hater of non-English culture. In the US at least, being a committed Zionist is practically necessary to make it anywhere in both Democratic and Republican parties. Now granted England is different, from what I understand Corbyn is very pro-Palestine.

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This guy risks his life and puts his family in danger to stand up against Islam. He said in a recent interview that his main goal is stopping the Islamisation of Britain. A pretty large goal as it is. He rarely talks about anything else, so if you're going to accuse him of something bring some evidence or GTFO.

He's not a politician so trying to use US politics or what Commie Corbyn does or says to guesstimate how much Jewish influence there is over him is not going to work.

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(03-18-2018 12:26 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

So what? I believer that the British have the same rights to that state.

If things continue the way they do, then Israel will remain the only white ethno-state in the world in 100 years.

By the way - the overwhelming majority of the left in Europe is actively pro-Palestine and would rather send the army to support ISIS. Fuck them.

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(03-18-2018 11:46 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Tommy Robinson is a committed Zionist. Anyone realize that?

This is the second time in a week you've tried to discredit him. First was saying he was controlled opposition, which I disproved, now the Zionist thing - which has been discussed in this very thread, before.

I don't care if he likes Israel, as Red Pill UK said, he puts his life on the line against Islam and that's his thing, and he's the best we've got. Talking about Jews is absolutely terrible optics if you want to achieve anything anyway, and that's if he even cares.

He's not a white nationalist. Though he sympathises (and shares some opinions) with the people talking about demographics and so on.

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(03-18-2018 12:26 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

The fun thing about this is that I bet Antifa thinks this tweet is anti-Semitic.

Personally I'm in 100% agreement. The jews can have their shithole in the middle of the desert surrounded by billions of ignorant goatfuckers that want them dead as a matter of religious conviction.

Now, is anyone white allowed to have an ethnostate?

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(03-18-2018 12:26 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

I don't think Tommy is really aware of the Protocols of Zion and is just giving support for the existence of Israel.

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The Protocols of Zion isn't even real as far as I'm aware.

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(03-18-2018 03:14 PM)Teedub Wrote:  The Protocols of Zion isn't even real as far as I'm aware.

It's probably real - the content is impressive in it's perception of the system, but 99%+ of Jews are utterly unaware of those plans. Besides - if the global elite is real, then only a part is Jewish. Also I don't even think that their upper elite even views themselves as Jewish.

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Corporatist-Consumerist society is alienating a lot of young men. Guys like him are clinging to Islam, whether he's read the Koran or not is irrelevant. White lads are grasping hold of their ethnic/native identity, with communists and (((certain people))) stoking the fires....it's all going to end incredibly violently, unfortunately. I hate the establishment.

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Guys take your jew hate to one of the other threads devoted to just that. This thread is about Tommy Robinson.

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Here's the interview:

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Quote:One of them even swung a flagstick at the people and Police.

And another Muslim swung a stick...

Edit. Speaking of the above mentioned asshole with the stick, it is the same guy (Abdul Hamid) that Rotekz just posted.

Edit II.

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(03-18-2018 03:25 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

Waving the British flag I guess is racism and some kind of Aryan symbol. The noble peaceful Muslim shows the infidels that this is no longer tolerated in sharia London.

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(03-18-2018 03:37 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Corporatist-Consumerist society is alienating a lot of young men. Guys like him are clinging to Islam, whether he's read the Koran or not is irrelevant. White lads are grasping hold of their ethnic/native identity, with communists and (((certain people))) stoking the fires....it's all going to end incredibly violently, unfortunately. I hate the establishment.

And those groups are further splintered by socio-economic ability and location.

Any group that becomes prominant in the UK is taken out back and shot in the head. Britain First was flying under the radar and causing problems for the establishment, nothing too big. Then Trump came along and said "look at this" and it took them only a matter of weeks to slam the leaders up and go after the group.

Stay away from the towns and cities.

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I will try to articulate my issues with Robinson.

1)He has gone by multiple fake names, Tommy Robinson is one, Andrew McMaster, and Paul Harris. Wikiepedia says his name is Stephen Christopher Lennon, and the Guardian says Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. My concern would be this, if you're engaging in activism why wouldn't you use your real name, and if you have to use an alias, use that one alias consistently. This is shapeshifter type behavior and something you would see with either a serial criminal or a spook.

2) He has publicly advocated for zionism. That does nothing to help his case really--if anything it distracts from his message. So either he's poor at messaging and incompetent, or he's purposely diluting his message for some reason.

3) Affiliation with Rebel Media. They are a pro-zionist outlet (research it), and all the people that espoused views that were not-zionist positive were let go. That's a fact. On a different level, I'm surprised the Rebel would want him-- I think a lot of people would view him as a lot more dangerous/provocative than Gavin or Lauren.

4) Admitted street brawler/alcoholic--Doesn't give him much credibility, and makes it hard to scale his movement. People like this are not palatable to the general public. He is basically a political hooligan. He has numerous arrests/convictions for fighting.

5) Left EDL- speaks for itself.

6) Paid to join Quilliam, renounce his past activism, a left of center think tank funded by UK government in the past. Again, speaks for itself.

7. Entered US illegally and arrested- Idiotic.

8. convicted of mortgage fraud- I guess you could argue this was politically motivated, and I'd listen to the argument, but again, doesn't look too good.

9. Getting beat up in prison- This isn't unique to him, in fact this stuff happens all the time, but sure, I'll agree it appears it was politically motivated.

10. given the dynamic in luton I'm surprised he lives there- Who protects him? I would suspect police or private security? But if he has private security, who pays? Does he have a job? Who would hire him? In which case, who is his benefactor?

I just get an uneasy feeling about the guy... Just like Richard Spencer... I can't articulate my uneasiness fully, but these are some of the things off the top of my head, that make me wonder about his media narrative.

And to be clear, I'm not criticizing any of his activism or accomplishments, rather just asking about things that seem in-congruent with being a radical activist in current year. There is of course, a decent chance, his activism is bona fide activism with no outside influence.

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Any issues against Tommy Robinson must be raised by:

a) Muslims
b) Jihadis
c) people who are so fully anti-Jewish, that the Nazis appear tame to them
d) people who are for open borders and are SJWs

No idea, where you are on that scale.

You should listen to his interviews - he does not get any media coverage except a negative one.

And he is not comparable to Richard Spencer - more Dr. Robert Spencer or the Imam of Peace.

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(03-19-2018 03:41 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Any issues against Tommy Robinson must be raised by:

a) Muslims-Nope
b) JihadisNope
c) people who are so fully anti-Jewish, that the Nazis appear tame to them Nope. I think maybe his message is getting co-opted by Globalists or zionists. If you believe in nationalism or preservation of culture, you logically have to accept a Jewish state in some form. Thus I'm not opposed. Rather, I'm suggesting his either willingly or unwillingly (because of external pressure) diluting his message/ or it's getting co-opted by bigger actors, or his funders.[/b]
d) people who are for open borders and are SJWs Nope. You can go look at all my posts see that my ideas would be right-libertarian or civic nationalist at least, maybe even with a traditionalist bent.

No idea, where you are on that scale. No there's an element you leave out, and by the way, the are other people that may not fit in any of the categories you provide, people that think: he's an Agent provocateur, spook, controlled oppositon, untrustworthy, not credible, bad messenger, or a good guy whose message has been co-opted (which may be the best answer, and the most palatable answer to swallow).

There are a lot of the dudes right of center (nationalists, traditionalists, etc) that take the big tent view, that you accommodate all the dudes under the banner and you refrain from criticizing others. I would say I'm not in that camp. If criticism is warranted, it should be given. To put it simply you would not want to have a political movement led by someone who was a degenerate, incompetent, or who had a bad track record... That is what I am getting at.

You should listen to his interviews - he does not get any media coverage except a negative one. I have, including the Rebel, and his oxford speech. I'm not hating on him just to hate, rather I'm bringing up some concerns I have about his track record, I think you are right in saying that there's been a media blackout on him, but then again, some of the recent profiles of him have been pretty flattering (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic...inson.html ). Sort of an aside, but word of mouth, and alternative media can be a way more powerful force than nightly news coverage.[/b]

And he is not comparable to Richard Spencer - more Dr. Robert Spencer or the Imam of Peace.

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Your post is almost on troll-level.

If you think that someone is controlled opposition if he gets constantly harassed by cops, arrested for a fake 30$ hotel damage by cops, gets his 6-months pregnant wife arrested, gets constantly beat up and maligned by Antifa, is under constant Jihadi terror danger, has his business bankrupted that had a 500.000$ turnover the last year, gets his finances confiscated, then you have to get your facts straight.

I recently watched an interview with Britain First. I even agree fully with their views and they are more demanding than Tommy's. And those people face now prison charges as well for bogus reasons.

Your entire accusations are bullshit. And if being also for closed borders in Israel makes you instantly a traitor then count me among them.

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Cool man. no need to rebut my points I guess. You merely confirm my view that you're in the big tent camp, and that no questioning of right of center leaders is allowed. I should try a different tact: do you believe in controlled opposition (historically speaking), co-opting of radical movements, or false flags? Do you believe in government infiltration of radical movements to sow chaos? Do you think the government uses agent provocateurs? If your answer is no, then I'd ask you to look into it.

I am not trolling, I am just questioning key facts, and I guess that makes me unpopular, whatever I guess. Sometimes someone needs to ask the unpopular questions. I'm not even anti-Tommy Robinson--which I've made clear-- I'm rather just saying there are issues with the narrative or discourse surrounding him. I systematically laid out my case.

Where does he get his support from? Who protects him daily?

EDIT: Maybe I don't have the proper perspective to analyze the issue. A) I'm not a Briton, B) Britain is so fucked up compared to the US, maybe he really has been incredibly screwed for his activism in the UK. And I mean this seriously.