Post: #51

Remember that plenty of the Gulf States have already bought huge shares of companies using their sovereign funds, which over time give them trillions and trillions of dollars. Pretty sure that barring social uprisings they'll be fine. Saudi Arabia could be an exception, but the smaller countries will possibly remain stable.

Post: #52

Here's what the rich are planning on doing:

   

Post: #53

I'll probably leave if I'm financially able to do it. It makes me sad but my observations and judgement tell me it will only be worse for any potential future offspring I have.

I'm exhausted trying to convince people and getting nowhere. Erosion of private property rights, massive debt, so many self-hating white people, permanent demographic change. Most of the 'immigrants' seem to think whitey owes them something, and government is happy to oblige. I don't see a way out of this situation. By the time most people wake up it will be too late. Not to mention the fact I'm also exhausted with American women.

I would stay and 'fight' if I met more people who thought like I did, but I've met too many who don't think for themselves to convince me we can turn it around.

Post: #54

Where will you go?


And how long before they prevent people from leaving to prevent a brain-drain (like they did in Berlin)?

Post: #55

(07-18-2016 07:14 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'm exhausted trying to convince people and getting nowhere. Erosion of private property rights, massive debt, so many self-hating white people, permanent demographic change. Most of the 'immigrants' seem to think whitey owes them something, and government is happy to oblige. I don't see a way out of this situation. By the time most people wake up it will be too late. Not to mention the fact I'm also exhausted with American women.

I would stay and 'fight' if I met more people who thought like I did, but I've met too many who don't think for themselves to convince me we can turn it around.

These two churn my stomach as well.

I have met and banged more than a few foreign born and raised women domestic and abroad.

When I haven't for a few months I start rationalizing immediately why American women don't need to live up to that standard.

It's sick!

Post: #56

I'm a big advocate of the "bifurcated" life these days. It seems to be working out well for me right now. When it no longer works, I'll adapt and overcome.

When I say bifurcated, I mean that you split your life between two different places. America is still a great place to start a business. Make your money here, and play elsewhere. He gets a lot of hate, but Tim Ferris did break the code on a lot of this stuff a decade ago.

You've got to leverage the things that you do have, and try to position yourself to get the things you don't have. Work and job are great here in the US, but the women are not. So you pick a place to travel to. Learn the language fluently and keep going there for years. Eventually you'll build up a circle in two countries.

Have your home base here, but take frequent trips during the year to your second home. After a while, you can work it so you spend more and more time there.

The rest of the world is an incredible place, but working for yourself is key.

And when I'm ready--and that could be many years from now--I just might be gone for good.

But I'm not leaving the table until the last hand of cards is played.

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Post: #57

(07-18-2016 07:44 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I'm a big advocate of the "bifurcated" life these days. It seems to be working out well for me right now. When it no longer works, I'll adapt and overcome.

When I say bifurcated, I mean that you split your life between two different places. America is still a great place to start a business. Make your money here, and play elsewhere. He gets a lot of hate, but Tim Ferris did break the code on a lot of this stuff a decade ago.

You've got to leverage the things that you do have, and try to position yourself to get the things you don't have. Work and job are great here in the US, but the women are not. So you pick a place to travel to. Learn the language fluently and keep going there for years. Eventually you'll build up a circle in two countries.

Have your home base here, but take frequent trips during the year to your second home. After a while, you can work it so you spend more and more time there.

The rest of the world is an incredible place, but working for yourself is key.

And when I'm ready--and that could be many years from now--I just might be gone for good.

But I'm not leaving the table until the last hand of cards is played.

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This is the strategy I'm mostly likely to use going forward regardless of the election outcome. Stay based out of the US and take flights to a Latin American city frequently to build up a social circle and get a break from things.

-Language is easy to pick up; has applicability across multiple countries (including Spain; which is a potential second base country as well)
-Flights are cheap and relative quick to LA from the USA
-Easier culture to mesh with compared to other areas
-Stays in/close to base time zone
-LA women are my favorite overall group compared to the alternatives.
-My looks will play very well in LA.

This is a realistic thing to pull off. Time to start hitting the pavement and making it happen.

Post: #58

(07-18-2016 06:47 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Remember that plenty of the Gulf States have already bought huge shares of companies using their sovereign funds, which over time give them trillions and trillions of dollars. Pretty sure that barring social uprisings they'll be fine. Saudi Arabia could be an exception, but the smaller countries will possibly remain stable.

You vastly overestimate the power of this type of investment and its theoretical "unlimited" returns. Business investment doesn't work as a linear progression into infinity. It has diminishing returns especially when you no longer possess a key strategic resource and other nation's elites prey on so called "secure" investments.

Sovereign wealth funds only go as far as the political and business elite class allow them to go. The U.S. could easily block these investments (and have) in the past when its not in the national best interest. It's in the best interest of the U.S. at the moment to forge these business ties with wealthy royals and other elite from the gulf because it's a trade off for privileged access to oil.

Once upon a time India and China were also the wealthiest (GDP wise) nations in thet world too. How far did material wealth go without military and industrial might to compete?

The gulf arabs have no lasting foundation. A few elites throwing around vast amounts of money does not create a lasting competitive edge for their overall population. They are bedouins and i'm sure the the vast majority will return to the bedouin lifestyle eventually.

Post: #59

If they start looking at day gaming as "harassing" and it becomes a legit crime, I will begin an exit strategy l. But until then fuck it.

Post: #60

I don't see a doomsday scenario playing out contrary to escalating fear coming out of both partisanships. Just think how wild the accusations of Trump being a fascist are. Yes, we're probably more correct on ur stances and perceptions, but it won't play out that far.

In the instance that it ever somehow did, rest assured! I and others like me would organize guerilla paramilitaries out of any civilians we could get our hands on. This is why I laugh at the idea of a gun confiscation even if the entre ATF and FBI go door-to-door at a time to collect them.

Post: #61

(07-18-2016 06:52 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Here's what the rich are planning on doing:

[url=https://www.intellihub.com/silicon-valley-elites-buying-huge-amounts-of-land-secret-compounds/][/url]

Oh my god.

Rich people are building big houses and buying lots of land? They are even putting fences around them?

This has got t be the beginning of the end.

Aloha!

Post: #62

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Post: #63

Honestly unless you've already pulled the "trigger" most of you aren't ready or willing to leave. There will always be something holding you back until the proverbial Berlin Wall goes up and you can no longer leave.

Post: #64

I'll be glad to let the chickens run. Men not willing to forge the society they aspire to don't deserve the fruits of blood sweat and tears.

Post: #65

I am planning on doing that anway. As good as Trump has been, I do not believe that ANY politician is capable of reversing an economic cycle. My plan is currently in place and relies on building a resume that allows me a huge amount of geographic flexibility, and I am working on that now with my current grad internship being in a non English speaking country, with an international firm, in a field associated with geographic flexibility. Basically the plan after this is to try to leverage that experience into something it is a bit of an intermediate step. I am targeting countries that are still predominantly white but which are more or less outside the "line of fire"....they have some liberalism issues but still are less likely go full blown nuts than the US is with its current authoritarian streak.Also required is the existence of jobs for me (I work in a field traditionally associated with Ivy League business school types). I am looking primarly at places like Switzerland(which has terrorism problems because they have not been taking many in) and New Zealand( a bit lefty, but has a strong agricultural culture in most places, fewer issues with aggressive/corrupt government than the US does, and is remote enough to avoid being caught up in a US or European civil war).

Post: #66

(07-17-2016 10:08 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  No. I've built up a life, own land, own business. Why would I give that up? Why would I give anything up?
I will fight for what I have worked for. If they come for me, let them come and suffer the consequences.
Fuck running away.

How old are you?

For young guys in their twenties it is clear that the cost/benefit ratio of being self-employed on internet and moving to a non-western country is very high.

I have been living in East-Europe for last 5 years and my mental & physical health are 10 times better than the toxic environment of Canadistan.

Post: #67

If they buy relatively high shares in relevant companies, while it does not guarantee a progress unto infinity it does provide a clear safety net. I don't see how you could advocate for diminishing returns if the number of shares remains more or less stable and the business flow is improving or stable as well. I don't see Apple, Coca Cola or whatever going out of business any time soon. UAE (10% growth yearly on their portfolio) has already started doing that quite a few years ago and recently the Saudis as well. I've been hearing about the death of the Gulf countries for quite a while now. The only major pitfall would be the lack of vision of their leaders. Otherwise, they have the capital and they have a relatively positive conjuncture on their side as well, unless the West turns on them. It seems as if you misunderstood my comment and tried to turn into something else but ah well.

You are using GDP as if it's the most adequate metric to refer to a country's potential. I did not say that, it's a most well placed STRAWMAN

Either way, we will see. I have my reservations regarding Saudi Arabia, which might (and should) disintegrate, but the smaller kingdoms might perfectly find a way to adapt. For years I've been reading about their impending collapse. So far...

(07-18-2016 08:30 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(07-18-2016 06:47 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Remember that plenty of the Gulf States have already bought huge shares of companies using their sovereign funds, which over time give them trillions and trillions of dollars. Pretty sure that barring social uprisings they'll be fine. Saudi Arabia could be an exception, but the smaller countries will possibly remain stable.

You vastly overestimate the power of this type of investment and its theoretical "unlimited" returns. Business investment doesn't work as a linear progression into infinity. It has diminishing returns especially when you no longer possess a key strategic resource and other nation's elites prey on so called "secure" investments.

Sovereign wealth funds only go as far as the political and business elite class allow them to go. The U.S. could easily block these investments (and have) in the past when its not in the national best interest. It's in the best interest of the U.S. at the moment to forge these business ties with wealthy royals and other elite from the gulf because it's a trade off for privileged access to oil.

Once upon a time India and China were also the wealthiest (GDP wise) nations in thet world too. How far did material wealth go without military and industrial might to compete?

The gulf arabs have no lasting foundation. A few elites throwing around vast amounts of money does not create a lasting competitive edge for their overall population. They are bedouins and i'm sure the the vast majority will return to the bedouin lifestyle eventually.

Post: #68

(07-19-2016 12:47 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-18-2016 06:52 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Here's what the rich are planning on doing:

[url=https://www.intellihub.com/silicon-valley-elites-buying-huge-amounts-of-land-secret-compounds/][/url]

Oh my god.

Rich people are building big houses and buying lots of land? They are even putting fences around them?

This has got t be the beginning of the end.

Aloha!

Read the whole article instead of looking at the picture.

Aloha!

Post: #69

(07-19-2016 02:15 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 12:47 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-18-2016 06:52 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Here's what the rich are planning on doing:

[url=https://www.intellihub.com/silicon-valley-elites-buying-huge-amounts-of-land-secret-compounds/][/url]

Oh my god.

Rich people are building big houses and buying lots of land? They are even putting fences around them?

This has got t be the beginning of the end.

Aloha!

Read the whole article instead of looking at the picture.

Aloha!

I did. And watched the video. Alex jones seems really troubled by the fact that rich people want to land their aircraft Ina responsible manner.

And I've heard it all about the mark zuckerberg walk. I have a lava rock wall around my house. There is a massive amount of those rocks on this state. To build my walls was close to the same price as a decent fence. Everyone has lava walls.

And the guy that owns Facebook made a Facebook group amongst his buddies. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Aloha!

Post: #70

Quote:I did. And watched the video. Alex jones seems really troubled by the fact that rich people want to land their aircraft Ina responsible manner.

And I've heard it all about the mark zuckerberg walk. I have a lava rock wall around my house. There is a massive amount of those rocks on this state. To build my walls was close to the same price as a decent fence. Everyone has lava walls.

And the guy that owns Facebook made a Facebook group amongst his buddies. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Aloha!

Of course the super-rich plan for things like this! They have for years. And it's because they can. New Zealand is a popular choice, I agree - great views!

For the rest of us a bit lower down the food chain, gated communities will be the future if things start to crumble.

Aloha!

Post: #71

∆ Those pictures are very appropriate.

Michael Jordan has big mansion in chicago:



And Kareem Abdul jabar has a big one in Kauai, right by the facebook guys house:


Both appear to have fences and walls surrounding them.

I really doubt any of these people built these places so Hillary clinton, the Illuminati, and the aliens could come over and plot the apocalypse in privacy.

I think they built them so they could have some space to relax, and bury their heads like ostrichs, and forget about bullshit. They've got the money to do it.



Aloha!

Post: #72

(07-19-2016 05:37 PM)Kona Wrote:  I really doubt any of these people built these places so Hillary clinton, the Illuminati, and the aliens could come over and plot the apocalypse in privacy.

You have gone straw man my friend.


Anyway, the first article discusses Silicon Valley elites not basketball players. Even so, Jordan must be $1BN + and I doubt that is his only property. Kareem Abdul jabar is worth $20M, so he'll be fighting it out with the rest of us. Poor Kareem.

   

Even the non-Silicon Valley elite are getting in on the game - Alexander Abramov (worth $3.8BN) has a place in NZ costing $50M.

Related:
Where your boss will be come the revolution: 'Boltholes with airstrips' in New Zealand that are being bought by world's super-rich who want a hideout in case of 'civil uprising'.

   

You'd be foolish to deny that the super-rich have contingency plans & multiple properties. The evidence is undeniable.

Post: #73

Alex Jones is a bit too tinfoil without much to back it up this time. Compounds with high fences are extremely common for middle/middle-upper and rich Africans to have. Most have at least one guard and a few servants. Why? Not because they need a back up plan once they screw over their fellow countrymen. It's because they cannot trust the people outside of their compounds. Physical security is number one, when even planning for cyber security. I'm pretty sure Zuck has a datacenter of some size in his house. If I had his money, you can bet I would.

If anything it just shows that they are paranoid or responsible to protect their lives against the endless hordes of people that would jack them at a moments notice. I don't know about the UK, but even in Houston, there are many high gated communities. Some of the reason is to keep out wanderers, thieves, solicitors, religious folks like Mormons, and to keep a log of who is coming through the area. Some of these have guards in front and some are remote control access. One of my family members has a house in one, and he isn't even the rich one in the family.

I think if you lived here (in a largish city) in the USA, you would realize that Alex is just trying to drum up hype, because this has been like this for a very long time. Not everything he says has merit to it.

If anything the billionaires with multiple passports, with all their money overseas, are the ones you have to watch out for. Quite possibly the only reason why I like Trump is that he did not cop out and get other passports and say fuck the rest of you guys, and is using his wealth and influence to try and fix the country. It's fitting because only ostentatious wealth is power here nowadays, and instead of staying out of it, he will try to fix it. Even Warren Buffett discussed how bad it was and his peers hated him for it. The rest of their peers are not only quiet, but will leave us all here high and dry at a moment's notice, and take the wealth they milked out of us and this country to foreign banks.

It doesn't mean very much when lower/middle class nobodies leave the US or renounce citizenship, it's exponentially magnified if billionaires are doing it, taking their wealth, investments, and the jobs they were providing away. Whether they agree or not, they have alot more tangible responsibility that comes with that wealth.

Post: #74

I also think the threat of "brain drain" is nothing new and a few handfuls of us leaving won't affect that. Unless Trump closes the borders to all immigrants, that won't change much. If anything "The Closing of the American Mind" and the assault on the family is the biggest threat to American ingenuity. Stop or fix those things and brain drain will be a non issue.

I also agree with QC, I ultimately want to split my time overseas like Ferris talks about. I still need to spend time with my family and hunt/fish.

Post: #75

(07-19-2016 05:37 PM)Kona Wrote:  ∆ Those pictures are very appropriate.

Michael Jordan has big mansion in chicago:



And Kareem Abdul jabar has a big one in Kauai, right by the facebook guys house:


Both appear to have fences and walls surrounding them.

I really doubt any of these people built these places so Hillary clinton, the Illuminati, and the aliens could come over and plot the apocalypse in privacy.

I think they built them so they could have some space to relax, and bury their heads like ostrichs, and forget about bullshit. They've got the money to do it.



Aloha!

Apparently Kareem has given up on trying to find a head coaching position in the NBA, a shame. I guess teams want point guards and not big men. I am a little surprised that Jason Kidd has had no trouble finding head coaching positions, he isn't exactly well spoken in interviews, but he has an extremely high basketball IQ