Post: #526

(07-16-2016 03:50 PM)SunW Wrote:  This is one thing I've learned from the members of this forum: who gains from a major event? There is always a possibility that the person or organization who gains is the person or organization orchestrating the event, or is aware of the event and will exploit it to his or their advantage. Always the case? No. Always a possibility. Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono

Indeed

Post: #527

Military analysts hard at work.

Post: #528

^For a quick moment, I believed that the image was legit.

Post: #529

Haaretz is now reporting that the coup leader was once a military attache to Israel.

Not sure if this is significant, but Haaretz obviously thinks so, otherwise they wouldn't have a story on it.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/1.731349

Post: #530

That ties in with the recent analyses provided by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds about imam Gulen and his US neocon supporters:

Today, Washington Post dutifully provided a platform for three outspoken Israel Lobbyists who are jointly calling on the Obama Administration to overthrow the current Turkish Administration.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/...istration/

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/06/...%e2%80%a6/

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/04/...-pr-queen/

Post: #531

Nice Hegelian Dialectic bro. After the smoke has cleared, it's painfully easy to see what just happened.

Problem: Erdogan and his regime feels threatened by his opposition.
Reaction: Excercise hoax military coup
Solution: Erdogan has an excuse to consolidate his Power and further the Islamic state agenda by purging 2,745 judges, prosecuters, and arresting hundreds.

http://www.returnofkings.com/75335/what-...-dialectic

"Many of us are already aware of what the elite is doing to society in order to maintain control. The Hegelian dialectic allows us to see how they are doing it, adding an important piece of the puzzle to more easily recognize their authoritarian schemes.

Whenever a crisis occurs that politicians, governments, world organizations like the United Nations, IMF, World Bank, US Fed, or countless other quasi-governmental entities have a solution for, three things are certain:

1. Their solution will not solve the original problem.
2. The problem was possibly created themselves in order to introduce their desired “solution.”
3. The engineered process of Problem-Reaction-Solution is reducing your liberty and making you more dependent on the state."


-RooshV

Post: #532

Assuming for a moment, hypothetically of course, that the coup was indeed a genuine one intended to overthrow Erdogan, it was a horrendously-planned one.
It was merely soldiers attacking things, holding locations and engaging in firefights in the street. It was as if like none of them had even heard of Sun Tzu. At the very least they should have
- linked up with a significant portion of the Presidential staff as well as the main body of the police force and other emergency services
- conspired with external enemies and arranged for them to invade just as the coup was getting underway
If they had long-terms prospects in mind then they should have also recruited intelligence agents for the propaganda warfare as well as collaborating with the country's most influential economic powers in order to stall any and all potential financial support for Erdogan.
Maybe then they wouldn't have simply been able to remove him but instead mount a full-blown revolution to completely overthrow the government.

Post: #533

The delicate balance with staging a coup is that the more people you involve the more likely you'll be swinging by your neck before a shot is fired.

Post: #534

I must admit, those of you who claimed false flag were most likely correct.

Seeing as how it worked out, it does seem like Erdogan might have planted information to get his enemies to move.

Post: #535

http://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/...oogle.com/

On a phone, but it appears Erdogan is trying to revive the death penalty for coup supporters.

Let's see if the EU ices their membership attempt.

Post: #536

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-...KKCN0ZX0Q9

Quote:At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights

At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

A successful overthrow of Erdogan, who has ruled the country of about 80 million people since 2003, could have sent Turkey spiraling into conflict and marked another seismic shift in the Middle East, five years after the Arab uprisings erupted and plunged its southern neighbor Syria into civil war.

A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.

A second senior official also said the presidential jet had been "in trouble in the air" but gave no details.

Erdogan said as the coup unfolded that the plotters had tried to attack him in the resort town of Marmaris and had bombed places he had been at shortly after he left. He "evaded death by minutes", the second official said.

Around 25 soldiers in helicopters descended on a hotel in Marmaris on ropes, shooting, just after Erdogan had left in an apparent attempt to seize him, broadcaster CNN Turk said.

Prime Minister Binali Yildirim had also been directly targeted in Istanbul during the coup bid and had narrowly escaped, the official said, without giving details.

Flight tracker websites showed a Gulfstream IV aircraft, a type of business jet owned by the Turkish government, take off from Dalaman airport, which is about an hour and a quarter's drive from Marmaris, at about 2240 GMT on Friday.

It later circled in what appeared to be a holding pattern just south of Istanbul, around the time when a Reuters witness in the airport was still hearing bursts of gunfire, before finally coming in to land.

Gunfire and explosions rocked both Istanbul and Ankara through Friday night, as the armed faction which tried to seize power strafed the headquarters of Turkish intelligence and parliament in the capital. At one point it ordered state television to read out a statement declaring a nationwide curfew.

But the attempt crumbled as forces loyal to Erdogan pushed the rebels back and as the Turkish leader, at one point appearing on broadcaster CNN Turk in a video call from a mobile phone, urged people to take to the streets to support him.

More than 290 people were killed in the violence, 104 of them coup supporters, the rest largely civilians and police officers.

The aerial aspect of the plot appears to have centered on the Akinci air base around 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Ankara, with at least 15 pilots involved under the orders of a rebel commander, according to the former military officer.

The head of the armed forces, Hulusi Akar, was held hostage at the base during the coup attempt but was eventually rescued. Jets from Akinci piloted by the rebels roared low over Istanbul and Ankara repeatedly during the chaos of Friday night, shattering windows and terrifying civilians with sonic booms.

Fighter jets taking off from another air base at Eskisehir, west of Ankara, were scrambled to bomb Akinci and try to stop the rebels. However, the rogue aircraft were able to keep flying through the night by refueling mid-air after a tanker plane was commandeered, the first senior official said.

The tanker aircraft was taken from the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey, which is used by the U.S.-led coalition to bomb Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. The commander of Incirlik was detained on Sunday for complicity, the official said.

MASTERMINDS

Three senior officials in Ankara said Akin Ozturk, head of the air force until 2015 and a member of High Military Council (YAS), the top body overseeing the armed forces, was one of the masterminds of the plot. He was among thousands of soldiers detained, pictured on Sunday in handcuffs wearing a striped polo shirt at Ankara police headquarters.

Ozturk was due to be retired this August at a meeting of the YAS, which convenes twice a year. According to his biography, still on the military's website, he was born in 1952.

The second mastermind was thought to be Muharrem Kose, a former legal adviser to the chief of military staff, the same three Ankara officials said. They described Kose as a follower of Fethullah Gulen, a U.S.-based cleric whose network Erdogan has blamed for carrying out the coup attempt.

Kose was removed from his post in March for misconduct but had not been discharged from the armed forces, one of the officials said. His whereabouts are currently unknown.

"There were serious preparations ongoing for a very long time. The two people in question seem to have been the brains behind the coup attempt," the official said, declining to be identified because the investigation is still continuing.

Erdogan and the government have long accused Gulen's followers of trying to create a "parallel structure" within the courts, police, armed forces and media with the aim of seizing power, a charge the cleric has repeatedly denied.

"NOT FULLY PREPARED"

Erdogan, his roots in Islamist politics, has always had a difficult relationship with the military, which long saw itself as the guardian of secularism in Turkey, carrying out three coups and forcing a fourth, Islamist-led government from power in the second half of the 20th century.

Coup plot trials saw hundreds of officers jailed while Erdogan was prime minister, as the government used the courts to clip the wings of the armed forces. The allegations were later discredited and convictions overturned, but the actions damaged morale and fueled resentment.

Yet the coup plotters appear to have overestimated the support they would find within the military ranks.

"It was outside the chain of command which was the biggest handicap for the coup plotters," said Sinan Ulgen, a visiting scholar at Carnegie Europe and a former Turkish diplomat.

"They had an insufficient portfolio of resources. They were grossly under-equipped to achieve their strategic objectives ... There was definitely quite a degree of incompetence compared to how coups were done here in the past."

At one point they tried to silence CNN Turk, forcing the evacuation of the studio. When it came back on air, anchorwoman Nevsin Mengu described the soldiers as young and with "only fear in their eyes and no sign of devotion or determination".

The former military officer said the coup plotters appeared to have launched their attempt prematurely because they realized they were under surveillance, something corroborated by other officials in Ankara.

"They weren't fully prepared. The plans were leaked, they found out they were being monitored and it all apparently forced them to move faster than planned," the ex-officer said.

They also underestimated Erdogan's ability to rally the crowds, his appeal for supporters to take to the streets bringing people out in Istanbul, Ankara and elsewhere even as tanks took to the streets and jets screamed overhead.

Sertac Koc, press adviser to the mayor of Kazan district where the Akinci base is located, said local residents started noticing the high number of jets taking off as events unfolded.

"When they saw jets hitting parliament in Ankara and people in Istanbul, they got organized among themselves and marched to the base to try and stop them," he told Reuters by phone.

"They tried to block traffic to the base by parking their vehicles, burning hay to block the jets' vision, and in the end they attempted to cut the power to the base," he said.

Seven people were killed when the rebel soldiers opened fire, Koc said, among the dozens of civilians killed across the country in one of Turkey's worst nights of bloodshed.

Post: #537

HSLD

So they DID have the snakes head - but didn't shoot him down.

This gives even more reason to think this was a staged coup.

This was nothing more than blood letting and getting rid of enemies and gaining more power.

Post: #538

Don't the HUD's in those show if you have lock on friendlies or not?
If the pilots were told that this was all training exercises, then why would they full fire?

Post: #539

Erdogan reportedly used "very religious speech" during his speech at the burials of people who died during the coup today. He repeatedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" in a back and forth manner with the crowd during his speech. Also called the Hizmet movement "a cancer embedded in the Turkish nation".

And today Sweden's SoS Margot Wallström said that "we have no other choice but to continue cooperating with Turkey", pointing to Turkey's paramount role in the migrant crisis. She said "but we can use this moment to underscore our principles, like human rights and the importance of due process".

I've paraphrased the quotes from this article (only in Swedish) and a live interview with Wallström: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.asp...el=6476984

Weak secular European sentiments vs. increasingly radicalized Islamic theocratic rhetoric AND actions? Wonder who'll win...

This summer is just getting hotter.

Post: #540

Looks like not all the things are settled up in Turkey right now. Posible fighting against the purges.

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Erdoğan’s ‘Reichstag fire’

Post: #542

Kurds will not accept an Islamist regime. I expect them to fight to the very end.

Post: #543

Not to sound uppity, but I really just want to see what Turkishcandy said about this. Has he or another Turk commented yet? We need those present to make a statement

Post: #544

If he makes Turkey increasingly disqualified for EU membership I think that's a good thing.

Post: #545

I heard something about Erdogan soldiers cutting off power to the base where U.S. Nukes were held. (It's all restored now)

Also something about a back room deal being made with money being given to Erdogan and supposedly handing over that dude from the states.

Anyone have a link or proof of this ?

Post: #546

Sputnik (take it with a grain of salt) is reporting 42 helos missing from the Turkish army.

Link

Post: #547

Here's a video of the army generals who are the masterminds of the coup attempt, recorded at the police station after their arrest :

http://aa.com.tr/tr/vg/video-galeri/oztu...-suruyor/2

Post: #548

Found this on twitter. Post is from someone named Joaquin Flores. He seems to be a political commentator who was featured on RT. He thinks that the coup was real. I think he could be right

Post: #549

(07-17-2016 06:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  If he makes Turkey increasingly disqualified for EU membership I think that's a good thing.

That is the short term. What will the long term results be of a large Islamist government controlled state with state of the art military equipment, a large population and a small one split along ethnic/religious lines?

We know full well elements within the corridors of power support ISIS and Al'Quaeda in Syria and Iraq.

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