Day game around El Poblado, salsa classes. I've hardly gone out at night in Medellin so can't comment much on that. Most girls I've been with in Colombia are in college, 20-26 age range, light skinned (I've had 1 dark skinned Venezuelan girls, but I prefer the light skinned look). Don't get my wrong, I can speak basic Spanish, I'm just really bad at it.. probably about 2nd grade level. My Spanish is bad, but I'm usually able to make girls laugh with stupid jokes. Girls usually find it cool when I talk about my travel/working remote/extreme sports lifestyle. It's not very difficult to differentiate myself from the typical Gringo that comes to Medellin for drugs and whores. Just be an interesting person.

What stigma? Sounds like BS... Half the people in Colombia have lived in Miami or dream to visit the US.

I remember back in 2013 I was dating a chica in Medellin and she was worried about telling her family that she was dating me and when I asked why she said because they'd think I'd rape her or something lol, seriously. Guys, there have been some really shitty gringos in the Colombian news, like guys fucking kids and building entire businesses around pedo shit where guys flew to Medellin from all over the world to fuck kids and the Colombian media hypes it up. These are the types of guys who give gringos a bad name: https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-took-...get-caught

Quote:The wonder of it is that Jake, a 53-year-old former high school baseball star from Florida whose real name is Jay Harry Drivas, wasn’t nabbed long before. Even by the low standards of “escort service” advertising, his cobbled-together websites—including colombiajake.com—were crude, crass, and to the point. When Drivas was arrested in Medellín, after what police claimed was a months-long investigation, they said they found $10,600 in cash, as well as cocaine and ecstasy, at his three-bedroom property. They found an inflatable tub there as well (which figures in some of his publicity pictures), and they found a 13-year-old girl (some reports say 12), who is now with social services.

I think Paisas are a bit hypocritical to stereotype gringo dudes considering that the whore culture existed there long before the wave of horny foreigners arrived, anyone who's been to a local strip joint can attest to that, the crowds are usually 95%+ locals. Also the love of money-especially easy, fast money is part of life there. Honestly I don't think it's a huge deal- the whole hookers and blow thing, if I want to do rails of cocaine off of a strippers ass at a seedy club near Parque Barrio, why not? I do the same thing back home, it's just cheaper in Colombia!

The thing that gets me is the idiot gringos who are full on obvious sex tourists and have no fucking shame, the guys walking around in shitty clothes (shorts, flip flops) with an obvious prepago are such weirdos, if you want to bang a hot hooker, just do it at your hotel or wherever, taking these low class skanks to high end restaurants is fucking embarrassing.

Anyway, very few gringos, including the top RVF players are dating high end local chicas, it's not a big deal. Some of them are dating some fucking hot ones though, Swooptheworld member THC just sent me some pics of the chica he's banging now, fucking top shelf!

The only guy I know of who legit married into high society in Medellin, is from a small town in Nova Scotia like me and he moved there 12 years ago and started up a very successful company, the Colombian government actually recruited his company to come down from Canada and he set up shop. Within 6 months he divorced his Canadian wife then wifed up an 18 year old local chica from a wealthy family, fucking legend.

To the guys struggling to get laid, what are you even doing in Colombia? 99% of dudes I meet travel only to party, bang chicks, maybe study the language (for the sole purpose of banging chicks, lols), go to the beach. You're probably just not very interesting to these girls and they lump you in with the typical tourist. IMO you need to have some real meaning for why you're traveling to Colombia (or any country), otherwise you'll be lumped into some stereotype. If these girls don't think you're the most interesting person they've ever met, then you might need to get some new hobbies outside of pickup. That's my $0.02 anyway.

edit: I guess it's easy for me to be interesting since I've been traveling for 10+ years, so maybe this advice is more geared towards the younger guys on here- get hobbies outside of pickup and pickup ironically will become much easier.

I agree with Travolta, I think the biggest thing is if you go to Colombia you have to have a plan or other interests. If your going to get laid it isn't the best use of your time and or money. To get one of the higher quality women you have to speak decent Spanish and be there longer than a few days otherwise you are labeled as a typical sex tourists to those women with real jobs and careers (8's and above). If you go there and bang the ugly women and hookers and party with drugs then I guess it can be worth it if you enjoy that, I don't.

Don't forget that it's entirely possible for a guy to go to Colombia, especially Medellin and not get laid at all. Imagine spending thousands of dollars to go to a "poosy paradise" and not get laid lol, that would suck but it happens, more often than many guys on here seem to realize. Some guys can't even get laid by mediocre ghetto skanks, or worse they get those sluts and then get drugged and robbed JAJAJAJAJAJA!!!!

Travolta I wasnt calling you out or anything but I met probably a dozen RVF guy down in Medellin and the guys that have got better quality (I ll put myself into it because I done pretty decent after I got hold of the vibe of the place) we all speak good spanish, have been here for years - not me - and/or are approach machines. The rest were scraping off tinder and/or banging Lleras hookers (I dont have anything against it).

I have yet to see a guy with basic Spanish that gets the hot rich girls that you see around El Tesoro because they have so many options. If you are managing to do that much better for you and I am happy to be proven wrong by an RVF bro.

Regarding the parts about being interesting - that sounds just like a cliché to be honest. I have banged more Colombians than I can count and from different social classes, from doctors to girls distributing flyers at the mall. Way more upper class girls than barrios in fact.
And I can tell you that 90% of them could give two shit where have you been travelling they just care about what you make them feel in that moment. Thats true for all latinas perhaps. Upper scale european girls are way more pragmatic in this regard.

I don't claim to get top quality. All the girls I've had in Colombia have been 7's at best. I'd like to get 8's and 9's, but I'm not complaining about the quality I've been getting here- they've been way hotter than I've gotten in the US and Asia. My point is that without Spanish you can still get decent girls in Colombia without using Tinder or getting hookers. I know I can get much hotter girls if I were better at Spanish, that's just obvious. I haven't even been to El Tesoro, but I'll have to check it out.

Don’t worry about el Tesoro,,,,go to places where you feel comfortable and confident. This is where you will shine. If El Tesoro is it, so be it. But to pick up girls there, (the mall) I wouldn’t recommend it. That’s just me. All the girls working there don’t live there. Hit the gyms in the vicinity from 5-8pm and see what local talent is there. This is for the “9-5” working girls. As for the younger ones, I suspect early afternoons. Anyhow, I’m sure you can time it.

Good luck

For the average guy that goes to Colombia on a short trip of a couple weeks or so there isn't much point in worrying about what social class the girl is from or things like that. Most guys want to bang chicks, so if you aren't fussy just bang the bargain bin or discount rack Tinder slut. Don't take them out anywhere except to a cheap bar if needed.

Estrato 2 and Estrato 5/6 pussy feels the same.

No point in going to El Tesoro, most the girls are with their boyfriends, husbands or kids. Even if they are single they don't want to associate with sex tourists, which most people on here are, let's be honest

The reputation Scotian talks about is real but it doesn't concern guys like the ones in this forum. It's mainly about the backpacker type and the 60y/o fat losers who hang out in el lleras and take hookers into dinners. The elites are leaving and choosing Sabaneta and Rionegro as a more pleasant area to relocate. Trust me guys Rionegro will be great once el tunel de oriente gets finished.

Now, by knowing the average type of guys who are in this forum, objectively speaking, the difference between settling down on a LTR with the girl on the first picture and banging one like in the second picture every weekend for you guys I think is good game, good spanish, social circle and a bit of luck like everything in life.

Top shelf medellin quality may look like this.


Just plain, boring and average upper middle class girls. They are probably a 6 or 7 in Medellin. Yikes.


Ugly

How much time will the tunnel cut down on travel time?

Ana Sofia Henao (the mona in Lonewolf's pics) is one of the hottest pieces of ass out there for me. What is she 34/35? She's aged really well and I think the left picture she is a bit fatter due to her recent pregnancy.

If you have a social circle, decent game/money and roots in Colombia it will enable you to score top drawer cooze. It takes more effort to get a decent social circle than to go out dates with girls but it will pay massive dividends if you are looking for more than a tinder bang or ONS.

I’d go live back in Europe if I wanted to bang white women ... I personally would take those tanned skinned 6 or 7s over that white Colombian any day. I believe most brothas are traveling down to South America to date the Afro and tanned population from my observations.. So these are 6 or 7s in your eyes but a few in that pic are solid 8s to us.. it’s just comes down to preference.

i think going out and having fun is key with women. if you can bring that high energy fun personality then it helps. I hear a lot of complaining which is frustrating for me cause often these places a lot of people would be really happy to have the opportunity to game in

Within a few years of manosphere studying and some psychology related research i actually started to feel comfortable with my game.
its all there you just need to find it.

i feel with the right bankroll and logistical setup guys can pull anywhere.

The problem here is that we all talk about "Colombia", but not about specific cities. The country is diverse. Bogota is very different than Medellin. I do agree that it's possible to bang decent girls in Bogota without Spanish. In Medellin not so much.

In Medellin I've met and seen a lot of guys, who didn't know Spanish and the girls they banged (or tried to). Honestly, I would rather stay home.

I agree with semibarron. That this thread is too general and not city specific. Bogota is different than Medellin in many aspects.

Anywhere in the world to get top tier chicks who come from the upper middle class and above takes time, money and social connections for the most part. Yes, you have gorgeous girls from the poorer parts and it can be easier in some ways and vice versa difficult. Each type of girl has their own different issues and ones that are common.

I said this before, to date the upper middle class and above girls get ready to fork over money going to fincas or travelling for puentes (long weekends) and holidays. Get ready to go to all of her friends birthday parties and her family weddings, christenings and birthday parties for the kids. Your weekends will be shot. Don't believe me. Ask any dude who is dating a girl from a estrato 5-6 barrio if his gf or wife drags him to her friends or coworkers birthdays etc.
You think simple empanadas and arepas from the street corner are gonna keep her happy for long?
This fascination to date these types for those visiting is simply a pipe dream. Foreigners are still stigmatized as being sex tourists and below them.

Living there, it is possible. Just like others mentioned you will have to get local friends etc. Just get ready to spend spend spend. I will be frank. It will be cheaper for you to go to the most expensive casa or strip club and pay for it twice a week than to have such a girlfriend. Just saying.

Part of the allure for all of Colombia for me is the value I get for my dollar. Yes , there are certain things that are more expensive than my home base of Toronto, but to live a simple life, it's great. I do like to have the luxuries and to eat out etc. But it's much cheaper than Toronto. From taxis, food to booze. Colombia wins hands down. I'm off on a tangent.

For the majority of visitors to Colombia, do your best to get the girl you want. Just be socially aware of what you are seeking As for those who are living there, id say don't stress it and seek out the richer beautiful girls. If it happens great. If not, the chica from the estrato 2-3 and is happy with a few empanadas for lunch and is hot, is also a great choice.

I've seen foreigners with chicks you would think, why is he with her? Vice versa I've seen girls with foreigners and thought the same except I've suspected that there is a financial transaction going on.

Short term- guys just enjoy yourselves. Use your wit and social awareness when dealing with chicas. Utilize all avenues available to you from online to day game etc. Be content that certain girls will be more difficult to game and require more time. Which, you may not have a lot of time to do so. So use your time wisely. Have fun and be safe.

I hate to say it. I just hope we are not poisoning Colombia. I would hate it if we are also responsible for making Colombia like the west. I think somewhat we are partially guilty. If you date them, let them keep their culture. Even if you're not religious. Let them keep their faith. Why? Because the moment we bring in our culture they will start to lose theirs. Don't be pissies. Be more macho like some of their guys. I hope the gist is getting through.

(04-21-2019 09:23 AM)semibaron Wrote:  The problem here is that we all talk about "Colombia", but not about specific cities. The country is diverse. Bogota is very different than Medellin. I do agree that it's possible to bang decent girls in Bogota without Spanish. In Medellin not so much.

In Medellin I've met and seen a lot of guys, who didn't know Spanish and the girls they banged (or tried to). Honestly, I would rather stay home.

The problem is that everyone on here has different standards and ideas of what is "decent", a sweet feminine 6 might be decent to some guys on here and some guys want hot prepago looking girls that are total skanks.

We talk about Spanish levels on here and obviously it helps greatly if you can speak Spanish. The first time I was in Colombia my Spanish level was very low and now I consider myself conversational but not fluent. I can go on dates entirely in Spanish and get by doing most things, this level of Spanish is relatively easy to obtain and opens the door to way more chicks.

(04-21-2019 11:24 AM)tomtud Wrote:  I agree with semibarron. That this thread is too general and not city specific. Bogota is different than Medellin in many aspects.

Anywhere in the world to get top tier chicks who come from the upper middle class and above takes time, money and social connections for the most part. Yes, you have gorgeous girls from the poorer parts and it can be easier in some ways and vice versa difficult. Each type of girl has their own different issues and ones that are common.

I said this before, to date the upper middle class and above girls get ready to fork over money going to fincas or travelling for puentes (long weekends) and holidays. Get ready to go to all of her friends birthday parties and her family weddings, christenings and birthday parties for the kids. Your weekends will be shot. Don't believe me. Ask any dude who is dating a girl from a estrato 5-6 barrio if his gf or wife drags him to her friends or coworkers birthdays etc.
You think simple empanadas and arepas from the street corner are gonna keep her happy for long?
This fascination to date these types for those visiting is simply a pipe dream. Foreigners are still stigmatized as being sex tourists and below them.

Living there, it is possible. Just like others mentioned you will have to get local friends etc. Just get ready to spend spend spend. I will be frank. It will be cheaper for you to go to the most expensive casa or strip club and pay for it twice a week than to have such a girlfriend. Just saying.

Part of the allure for all of Colombia for me is the value I get for my dollar. Yes , there are certain things that are more expensive than my home base of Toronto, but to live a simple life, it's great. I do like to have the luxuries and to eat out etc. But it's much cheaper than Toronto. From taxis, food to booze. Colombia wins hands down. I'm off on a tangent.

For the majority of visitors to Colombia, do your best to get the girl you want. Just be socially aware of what you are seeking As for those who are living there, id say don't stress it and seek out the richer beautiful girls. If it happens great. If not, the chica from the estrato 2-3 and is happy with a few empanadas for lunch and is hot, is also a great choice.

I've seen foreigners with chicks you would think, why is he with her? Vice versa I've seen girls with foreigners and thought the same except I've suspected that there is a financial transaction going on.

Short term- guys just enjoy yourselves. Use your wit and social awareness when dealing with chicas. Utilize all avenues available to you from online to day game etc. Be content that certain girls will be more difficult to game and require more time. Which, you may not have a lot of time to do so. So use your time wisely. Have fun and be safe.

I hate to say it. I just hope we are not poisoning Colombia. I would hate it if we are also responsible for making Colombia like the west. I think somewhat we are partially guilty. If you date them, let them keep their culture. Even if you're not religious. Let them keep their faith. Why? Because the moment we bring in our culture they will start to lose theirs. Don't be pissies. Be more macho like some of their guys. I hope the gist is getting through.

Most the girls I talk to are always busy doing this shit all the time, I see the pictures and I'd be bored to death.

Indeed Sidney. can get quite boring. Especially if you have to wait in bus terminals.

What else is there to do in a finca. You can only have sex for so long and afterwards???? It's fine with a group of friends and you try to hook up with a girl. Granted, there are romantic dudes out there who like to do that romantic getaway.

For those in Medellin going up las palmas or to sopetran on weekends or puentes you want to shoot yourself due to the traffic
Those leaving bogota to head to tolima to the warmer areas during the same time experience crazy traffic too. Just last weekend there was a 6hr wait on the tolima - bogota route.

If you can manage to date a girl who is used to heading out of town on weekends and you manage to avoid joining her at times. Well done. Just don't be surprised she gets swooped by a juan David while you are back in the city.

The traffic is awful, it takes like 5-6 hours to go some place that should take 2 hours and then sit around and do nothing. Might as well just go to the airport and fly somewhere for a couple days.

(04-21-2019 11:33 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  We talk about Spanish levels on here and obviously it helps greatly if you can speak Spanish. The first time I was in Colombia my Spanish level was very low and now I consider myself conversational but not fluent.

How do you maintain your harem of estrata 5/6 girls if your spanish is merely conversational?

(04-20-2019 08:50 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  The reputation Scotian talks about is real but it doesn't concern guys like the ones in this forum. It's mainly about the backpacker type and the 60y/o fat losers who hang out in el lleras and take hookers into dinners. The elites are leaving and choosing Sabaneta and Rionegro as a more pleasant area to relocate. Trust me guys Rionegro will be great once el tunel de oriente gets finished.

Now, by knowing the average type of guys who are in this forum, objectively speaking, the difference between settling down on a LTR with the girl on the first picture and banging one like in the second picture every weekend for you guys I think is good game, good spanish, social circle and a bit of luck like everything in life.

Top shelf medellin quality may look like this.


Just plain, boring and average upper middle class girls. They are probably a 6 or 7 in Medellin. Yikes.


Ugly

Damn I would rather bang all the girls in the second pic except second from the right over the girl in the first pic lol. Also why would you care how rich a girl is if she not spending that money on you?

(04-21-2019 12:53 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 11:33 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  We talk about Spanish levels on here and obviously it helps greatly if you can speak Spanish. The first time I was in Colombia my Spanish level was very low and now I consider myself conversational but not fluent.

How do you maintain your harem of estrata 5/6 girls if your spanish is merely conversational?

I never said I did or if it came across like that in my writing it wasn't intentional.

PC those girls in the second pic are bangable but mediocre, the chick are far left looks ok to me though.

^^ The 3rd and 4th from the left, in the back are definitely attractive girls. Twinkle in their eyes, not drunk, nice smiles. WB

There's so much circle jerking going on in this thread about "upper tier"/high class girls. I've known so many dudes over the years who claim to bang "only 9's" or whatever, and when I see their girls in real life it's far from what they claim. Also let's be real, how many guys on this forum are *actually* banging "upper tier" girls. Personally I can count on 1 hand how many times I've had legitimate "upper tier" girls without paying. It's definitely rare for it to happen unless you're rich or a celebrity. Doubt you'd be posting on this forum if you had that type of status. All that should matter is that she's hot enough to give you a boner without using dick pills.

Locals always rate girls different. When i see some girls that foreigners like in Lebanon sometimes im life wtf.

When youre local you associate certain features and style with a certain kind of girl, and foreigners dont have the same associations. Its normal.

As for lonewolf, well he said those were 6s and 7s so thats not a bad thing anyway. Not sure what the ugly after the pic refers to as those girls are definitely not ugly (except the two on the right). The one in red in the middle is hotter than the blonde to me (would ltr). But anyway everyone bang whoever they want.



PS: I saw wellrockthecitys girls in colombia and theyre definitely on a way upper level.