Post: #251

(06-15-2016 12:19 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Having said that, at least they made the article interesting:

For most men,
choosing which of these 2 girls he would go for first
will require more time and serious contemplation,
than deciding whether the UK should leave the EU.

Post: #252

The EU masters don't have to do anything. British MPs, especially those from Scotland, Wales and Ireland can use their political votes to disallow it and ignore the will of the people.

Post: #253

Our EU overlords will not give up their power so easily...

There is an incredible theory that a Brexit won't actually happen even if the public votes for it (Link)

Quote: A really crucial detail about the upcoming EU referendum has gone virtually unmentioned and it is probably the most crucial detail: Parliament doesn't actually have to bring Britain out of the EU if the public votes for it.

That is because the result of June 23 referendum on Britain's EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by UK government.

This incredible detail is explained in a new blog post by Financial Times columnist and legal expert David Allen Green.

Green says that no legal provision was included in the EU referendum legislation that requires UK Parliament to act in accordance with the outcome of the EU referendum.

Instead, what will happen next if the public votes for a Brexit will be purely a matter of parliamentary politics.

The government could decide to put the matter to parliament and then hope to win the vote, Green says. Alternatively, ministers could attempt to negotiate an updated EU membership deal and put it to another referendum. Finally, the government could just choose to totally ignore the will of the public.

Pro-EU MPs could even argue that ignoring the public's will would be parliamentary sovereignty in practice - something that Leave campaigners argue has been conceded to Brussels.

The only way that a Brexit vote would have weight in law would be if the government decided to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This is when an EU member state chooses to activate the process of withdrawing from the 28-nation bloc.

Article 50 would make Britain's EU membership a legal matter. However, even if the June 23 referendum produces a Leave majority, the government would not be obliged to invoke the legislation.

As Green says (emphasis ours):

Quote:A vote for Brexit will not be determinative of whether the UK will leave the EU. That potential outcome comes down to the political decisions which then follow before the Article 50 notification. The policy of the government (if not of all of its ministers) is to remain in the EU. The UK government may thereby seek to put off the Article 50 notification, regardless of political pressure and conventional wisdom.

This has to go down as one of the largest pieces of small print in British political history.

The overwhelming majority of the British public is probably totally unaware of this legislative loophole. As far as most Brits understand, Britain will no longer be an EU member if Leave wins next week's referendum.

Interestingly, parliament choosing to ignore the British public isn't as unthinkable as conventional wisdom leads us to believe. In fact, according to the BBC, MPs have already discussed the possibility.

Speaking to the BBC earlier this month, an unnamed pro-EU MP said: "We would accept the mandate of the people to leave the EU. But everything after that is negotiable and parliament would have its say. The terms on which we leave are entirely within my remit as a parliamentarian and that is something for me to take a view on."

Post: #254

(06-15-2016 12:08 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:24 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:14 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Not sure how I feel about The Sun backing the leave campaign, Rupert Murdoch has always worked hand in hand with Cameron who backs the remain side so it makes me wonder what exactly is going on here.

When Brexit wins (which is likely looking at the forecast) it will simply be the first step in restoring the country to former glory. What comes after is making sure the decision to leave actually goes through. This means we aren't made to vote again under different conditions, our vote is recognized and respected by EU parliament and we are in fact allowed to leave.

Every bone in my body is telling me even with a win, somehow, the vote will be reversed or ignored, some way or another.

That's what happened in Greece when the people voted to leave the Eurozone(Euro currency).

Their politicians were coerced by the EU and they betrayed their people.

The EU tends to not take no for an answer.



The UK electorate has been deliberately kept well away from treaty referenda for decades. Cameron didn't make good his referendum promise during the last parliament because he had Clegg to conveniently block referendum plans. He probably thought that the Tories would have relied on the Liberal Democrats to govern again. Governing alone this time, he had no excuse but to make good his promise or risk his party being split in two.

If Brexit wins, it looks like it will be because Labour's traditional white working class vote stays at home. This is precisely the demographic which has paid the most for any form of globalism - the EU included.


Look at the Dutch and Greek NO votes above. There is no way that Brexit is going to get to the 60% range. The Commissars in Brussels know very well if the UK goes, the Dutch and Greeks will be the next to go, and France will not want to remain to be shackled with Merkel's Germany given that the FN is set to reach the final round of the presidential elections.

Which book is this from?

In other news, I've organised my proxy vote as I won't be in the country on voting day. Unsurprisingly I'll be voting out.

Post: #255

(06-15-2016 08:32 AM)SvenTuga Wrote:  A really crucial detail about the upcoming EU referendum has gone virtually unmentioned and it is probably the most crucial detail: Parliament doesn't actually have to bring Britain out of the EU if the public votes for it.

That is because the result of June 23 referendum on Britain's EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by UK government.

Of course, but this always runs the same risk: if you signal to the people that they no longer have democracy, they will cease participating in the charade of the ballot box, and resort to traditional means.

Post: #256

If they vote "Leave" and the parliament does not follow through, you will basically have the ultimate confirmation that the global and/or multinational elites are indifferent to the people to get their way at all costs; it will no longer be a "conspiracy."

Post: #257

Be real guys, the UK is not leaving the EU. And frankly, that's a good thing. Left to its own devices, the UK would go even more full retard on importing Indians and Nigerians instead of Poles and Romanians. UK's problems run far deeper than interference from Brussels. London isn't called Londonistan and doesn't have an Islamist as mayor due to the EU. Rotherham was not perpetrated by Britain's ancient enemy, the "Polish plumbers."

Post: #258

(06-15-2016 10:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Be real guys, the UK is not leaving the EU. And frankly, that's a good thing. Left to its own devices, the UK would go even more full retard on importing Indians and Nigerians instead of Poles and Romanians. UK's problems run far deeper than interference from Brussels. London isn't called Londonistan and doesn't have an Islamist as mayor due to the EU. Rotherham was not perpetrated by Britain's ancient enemy, the "Polish plumbers."

This only weighs the cost/benefit analysis of being wedded to the monster the EU is NOW.

Brits best take into account the monster they will be wed to in a decade or more. Brussels already plans to dissolve the national armed forces of their member states in favour of a grotesque stew of soldiers loyal only to the superstate (and utterly incapable of nationalist rebellion when the last walls are put up on the gulag).

Post: #259

As far as immigration and the EU is concerned, you're partly correct Fast Eddie. The Poles, who are far and away the largest group of people from Europe here, have a great deal in common with us. They were staunch and courageous allies during the war, and they can be a very fine people. I think most people, whatever side of the debate they are on, would have very little problem with the Poles if surveyed.

The very real threat the EU poses on the immigration front, and this will happen if we vote to remain, is the accession of Turkey to Schengen, and the potentially unfettered relocation of millions of Turks across Europe. This is particularly troubling as Erdogan is a committed Islamist, and he is the gate keeper between Europe and the Middle East. If he decided to issue Turkish passports to all of those migrants turning up on Turkish shores, there would be nothing that could be done to prohibit them from then relocating across Europe. Turkey is the real phantom waiting in the wings.

Post: #260

(06-15-2016 10:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Be real guys, the UK is not leaving the EU. And frankly, that's a good thing. Left to its own devices, the UK would go even more full retard on importing Indians and Nigerians instead of Poles and Romanians. UK's problems run far deeper than interference from Brussels. London isn't called Londonistan and doesn't have an Islamist as mayor due to the EU. Rotherham was not perpetrated by Britain's ancient enemy, the "Polish plumbers."

Romanians. Do you mean the Romanian Gypsies who have been coming in here in droves recently? These guys are the most lowly of all ethnic groups in Europe.

I dont have a problem with the white immigrants but theres simply too many to fast and it's not as if they are likely to stop coming over any time soon.

Post: #261

British Labor MP Jo Cox Shot By Assailant Who Allegedly Shouted "Britain First"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16...britain-fi

Post: #262

(06-16-2016 08:50 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  British Labor MP Jo Cox Shot By Assailant Who Allegedly Shouted "Britain First"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16...britain-fi

You would have been justified in making this a thread on its own.

Aside, does it piss anyone else off that the average first world citizen is so gun-illiterate that we get descriptions like "It looked like a gun from the First World War, or a handmade gun."

Perhaps I'm being unreasonable, but it grinds my gears.

Post: #263

This situation seems odd. If the guy is for Brexit, and Brexit is winning in the polls, why go shoot someone and yell "Britain First"?

Post: #264

Murdoch's picking it up. Predictably it's slanted as "Assailant was Brexit supporter." False flag?

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #265

(06-16-2016 08:50 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  British Labor MP Jo Cox Shot By Assailant Who Allegedly Shouted "Britain First"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16...britain-fi

And it turns out that the "witness" that heard the shout of "Britain First!" wasn't even there:

Quote:The original claim for the “Britain First” shout was Aamir Tahir, a local dry cleaner. In the past few hours Mr. Tahir has told other news outlets that he “wasn’t there [at the scene]” and simply heard the allegation as second hand information

Post: #266

She has died.

Post: #267

It's bullshit. There's no proof he yelled Britain First. This dude was a fucking pyscho with a long history of being in mental institutions.

Also, surprise surprise he had a gun, yet aren't guns banned in Britain? Yet somehow a guy with a mental history of decades can obtain one.

Definitely false flag material here, the bullshit stench is too strong.

Post: #268

(06-16-2016 12:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It's bullshit. There's no proof he yelled Britain First. This dude was a fucking pyscho with a long history of being in mental institutions.

Also, surprise surprise he had a gun, yet aren't guns banned in Britain? Yet somehow a guy with a mental history of decades can obtain one.

Definitely false flag material here, the bullshit stench is too strong.

Its a false flag, you can see by kilometers....

Post: #269

When almost the entire population (it seemed) of London took to the streets to protest against Tony Blair's illegal invasion of Iraq, they played the numbers down and completely ignored it.

These cocksuckers are doing whatever they feel like, and currently, they are getting away with it.

Everything has it's breaking point.

Post: #270

What's the sense in the UK about how this will affect the vote?

My best guess is "not at all", but I'm a little more than a short walk away.

Post: #271

(06-16-2016 08:50 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  British Labor MP Jo Cox Shot By Assailant Who Allegedly Shouted "Britain First"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16...britain-fi

Whoa, and the shooter was unstable? They should make a law in the UK about not letting crazies have guns.

Oh, wait.

Post: #272

(06-12-2016 04:43 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 11:17 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 08:00 AM)Alebaster Wrote:  Here,found the video I mentioned above in my post (can't edit it anymore) where Farage speaks of his love to "Commonwealth" (aka Pakistani,Indian and Nigerian migrants) and notes that leaving the EU will give "more opportunities for black people to immigrate to Britain"

from 13:45

If you think that is anti-white sentiment then you are only seeing what you want to see.

Majority of Britain's black contingent are descendants of West Indian immigration, and those immigrants came to the UK wanting to be British citizens, and they assimilated, along with their contemporary Asian immigrants who have also assimilated. They all felt like they were de facto British citizens before they arrived.

Your posts makes me think you are not an inhabitant of the British Isles, because I feel that if you were, you would appreciate the nuance I am explaining.

Farage is merely stating that a reduction of numbers in to the UK would benefit all of the lower income earners, many of whom are non-white.

Basic economics: increased labour supply(population increase) leads to depressed wages, supply exceeds demand lowers price.

Restricted migration will lead to better wages for workers and less depression of wages.

Exactly this. These are the old school black boys you still find all over London. I think if any kind of survey were done on it, you would find that these guys tend to live in whiter working class areas for the most part, precisely for the reason you say - these guys wanted to be British, saw themselves as British, and came here to be part of our way of life. There was already a lot in common between us as peoples - strong family units, religion etc.

For this type of black guy, the vast wave of immigration has introduced a culture that is as alien and unwelcome to them as it is to the indigenous whites. My first boxing coach was such a guy, as were many of the guys I trained with. They were profoundly affected by the influx of incompatible cultures with no desire to integrate, and they have been every bit as disenfranchised by it as we have. I love these guys and think of them very much as being part of our people.

Also, it is entirely right that we accord preferential treatment to the Commonwealth, including our duskier brethren. The Indians, for example, have been inextricably linked with us for centuries. Since the decline of the Mughals and the expansion of the East India Company after the mid 1700s our destinies have been intertwined. We have fought together, married amongst each other, got rich together, and contributed to each other's civilization. They are certainly more 'our people' than the Germans, Turks, Balkan states, Southern Europeans, etc etc.

Again, it is the socialist utopia of Europe that really severs the ties of brotherhood that have bound us to our friends in the east for centuries.

This video is a JOY to watch. This guy is absolutely 'my nigga' and exactly what I was talking about in my previous post. His righteous fury warms my heart. I'd glad he is British, and one of our people.

Post: #273

Walking around today I saw this poster on a wall:



I thought WTF? Winston Churchill must be spinning in his grave at relativistic speed at the thought of the Germans and French controlling the UK, let alone the Turks.

Post: #274

Poll: EU support falls after Jo Cox murder

Quote:LONDON — British support for remaining in the European Union has weakened in the wake of the murder of the pro-EU politician Jo Cox, according to an online research company Friday.

Qriously, a London-based technology start-up that gathers data and intelligence about consumers through mobile phone apps, found that backing among likely voters for Britain's EU membership has dropped to 32% from 40% before her death.

The poll was based on 1,992 British adults surveyed on June 13-16, and then 1,002 on June 17 — the day after Cox was shot and killed in northern England. The start-up claims to have held the first such survey on the topic since the lawmaker's slaying. Most of Qriously’s surveys are done for corporate brands and it has not been previously conducted an EU referendum poll.

Respondents were asked: "Imagine the EU referendum were held today. Would you vote for the U.K. to remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?" They were given three options: "Remain in the EU," "Leave the EU," or "Don't know."

Qriously found that 52% will vote to leave the bloc in a national referendum on June 23. The figure is unchanged from before the parliamentarian's death. The weakening support for remaining in the EU coincided with a large move toward "Don't know," which leaped to 16% from 9% before Cox's assassination.

Britons are split over whether to leave the political bloc, but a series of recent polls — all conducted prior to Cox's death — have shown the Leave campaign gaining ground in the closing stages of the race. Political analysts have expressed uncertainly over how Cox's killing would affect the vote. She was an ardent EU supporter.

Post: #275

(06-17-2016 01:45 PM)Canopus Wrote:  Poll: EU support falls after Jo Cox murder

Quote:LONDON — British support for remaining in the European Union has weakened in the wake of the murder of the pro-EU politician Jo Cox, according to an online research company Friday.

Qriously, a London-based technology start-up that gathers data and intelligence about consumers through mobile phone apps, found that backing among likely voters for Britain's EU membership has dropped to 32% from 40% before her death.

The poll was based on 1,992 British adults surveyed on June 13-16, and then 1,002 on June 17 — the day after Cox was shot and killed in northern England. The start-up claims to have held the first such survey on the topic since the lawmaker's slaying. Most of Qriously’s surveys are done for corporate brands and it has not been previously conducted an EU referendum poll.

Respondents were asked: "Imagine the EU referendum were held today. Would you vote for the U.K. to remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?" They were given three options: "Remain in the EU," "Leave the EU," or "Don't know."

Qriously found that 52% will vote to leave the bloc in a national referendum on June 23. The figure is unchanged from before the parliamentarian's death. The weakening support for remaining in the EU coincided with a large move toward "Don't know," which leaped to 16% from 9% before Cox's assassination.

Britons are split over whether to leave the political bloc, but a series of recent polls — all conducted prior to Cox's death — have shown the Leave campaign gaining ground in the closing stages of the race. Political analysts have expressed uncertainly over how Cox's killing would affect the vote. She was an ardent EU supporter.