Post: #701

(04-22-2017 10:55 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:13 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

So when will the USA Gov admit it has troops on the ground in Syria. The ones there under Obama were sympathetic to the jihad, no clarity on what the policy is now.

It's not a secret that the US has advisors up in land managed by YPG/Syrian Democratic forces and the Southern Front(Jordan-Backed Rebels who get payed by Jordan to stay on the sidelines and keep the Jordan-Syria border as calm as possible). What surprises me the most is the public information that there's only two groups that you can support as a US Citizen that aren't on a terror watchlist or illegal.

One is YPG/SDF - which isn't surprising because they don't really export their conflict like other armed militias(IRGC-backed and Salafi-Gulf-Turkish backed), and most Kurdish terrorism is directed at Turkey. The other is a salafi-jihadist group called Ahrar-al-sham, which raises eyebrows to me as they commonly work with Jihadi groups on the terror list. Ahrar-al-sham would be the "moderate headchoppers" as people would say jokingly. They like to attack military bases to steal weapons and really like to use IED's; they also are remnants of the Salafi movement that Assad's government let "vacation" in Iraq from 2004-2008 to get them out of the country like Saudia Arabia does for the more "extreme" citizens. Comparably, they like to keep the Jihad in Syria at the moment and don't do these disgusting displays on camera like other terror groups/militias.

Yet, I can legit give money as a US Citizen to a group that is FAR-RIGHT from people like Christian Dominists without being put on a list or in jail.

Post: #702

(04-22-2017 01:45 PM)Vicious Wrote:  Swedhr, the "Swedish" Doctor group who is being widely cited for publishing a report claiming dead children are being used in the Syrian gas attack videos, have been outed as a Kremlin mouthpiece.

Turns out no one in Swedish academia or the Swedish doctors association has ever heard of these guys. They are not a registered Swedish organization, their public spokesman is not Swedish and does not live in Sweden.

Since 2014 they've only published "reports" supporting Russian interests, are frequently quoted by RT and have even dipped into non medical issue such as criticizing NATO.

Article on the whole thing below. It's behind a soft pay wall which can be circumvented with incognito mode or bypass.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/gasatta...akargrupp/

FFS, even the MIT are saying that it wasn't the Russians or Syrians that carried out the chemical attacks. Why are ppl here still insisting on shilling for the 'moderates' and providing cover on Trump's open act of aggression on Syria?

Post: #703

How's your literacy? Where am I saying anything about who carried out the attack?

On the other hand, It says something about you. That you would assume I'm picking sides because I'm questioning a source. For someone just out to push one narrative regardless of facts that's usually a hard concept to grasp.

For the record I trust Bellingcat's take on this. While they acknowledge Russia have spread considerable disinformation on this strike their bottom line is that the data is inconclusive on who carried out the strike.
We need something truly incriminating to surface to really point fingers here. Still this is a big jump from the current western media/Trump administration narrative.

Post: #704

(04-24-2017 06:04 AM)Vicious Wrote:  How's your literacy? Where am I saying anything about who carried out the attack?

On the other hand, It says something about you. That you would assume I'm picking sides because I'm questioning a source. For someone just out to push one narrative regardless of facts that's usually a hard concept to grasp.

For the record I trust Bellingcat's take on this. While they acknowledge Russia have spread considerable disinformation on this strike their bottom line is that the data is inconclusive on who carried out the strike.
We need something truly incriminating to surface to really point fingers here. Still this is a big jump from the current western media/Trump administration narrative.

Bellincat, aka Elliot Higgins.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/exp...ot-higgins

Brought to you by the Atlantic Council, a Globalist thinktank.

Quote:In September 2014, the New York Times reported that since 2008, the organization has received donations from more than twenty-five governments outside of the United States, including $5 million from Norway.[34] Concerned that scholars from the organization could be covertly trying to push the agendas of foreign governments, legislation was proposed in response to the Times report requiring full disclosure of witnesses testifying before Congress.[35] Other contributors to the organization include the Ukrainian World Congress, and the governments of Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Kazakhstan and Saudi Arabia.[9][36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

Post: #705

(04-24-2017 06:04 AM)Vicious Wrote:  How's your literacy? Where am I saying anything about who carried out the attack?

On the other hand, It says something about you. That you would assume I'm picking sides because I'm questioning a source. For someone just out to push one narrative regardless of facts that's usually a hard concept to grasp.

For the record I trust Bellingcat's take on this. While they acknowledge Russia have spread considerable disinformation on this strike their bottom line is that the data is inconclusive on who carried out the strike.
We need something truly incriminating to surface to really point fingers here. Still this is a big jump from the current western media/Trump administration narrative.

Assange tweeted this about what you posted.

Unjustified attack on SWEDHR by Sweden leading newspaper DN and Swedish users in Wikipedia

Quote: by The Indicter | posted in: April 2017 issue, Editorial | 0
By Professor emeritus Marcello Ferrada de Noli, chairman, and Professor emeritus Anders Romelsjö, vice-chairman, and Dr Lena Öske, in representation of the Board of Directors, Swedish Doctors for Human Rights SWEDHR.



Important items that we will taking up in this and upcoming rebuttals to untruthful statements concerning SWEDHR done by DN and Swedish mainstream media

Dagens Nyheter (DN), Sweden’s leading newspaper, dedicated on 22 April 2017 a two-page article (front-page in the online edition) to our organization Swedish Doctors for Human Rights (SWEDHR). The article is generally positive, and contributes to spread in Sweden whereabouts of this young (two years only) organization that otherwise –because the nature of our endeavours– has been instead mainly mentioned in the international news forum. The reproduction of the replies we gave in the interview with DN are also correctly reproduced in the article. However, not all our statements in the interview deserved space in the publication. This, added a contextual information about our organization and other important free interpretations by the authors of the article and which do not correspond with true facts, obliges us to to respond.

The report by Swedish Doctors for Human Rights mentioned both in the UN Security Council –and more recently around the OPCW meeting treating an alleged gas attack in Khan Sheikhoun– in fact refers to a purported gas attack which would have occurred in Sarmine, Syria, on March 2015. This is NOT explained in the DN article and thus it leads to an equivocal impression, and confusion regarding our organization statements. The cited SWEDHR report series [See here and here] consists in the analysis we did of two videos published by the ‘White Helmets’ as ‘proof’ that a gas attack in Sarmine has been perpetrated in Sarmine. Our conclusion was that the ‘life-saving’ procedures showed in the videos were, when not fake, anti-medical and even counter-productive for life-saving purposes. Those videos had been presented in April 2015 at a meeting of the Security Council called by then US Ambassador Samantha Power, and where doctors from the Syrian opposition were given the opportunity to ask anew for a No-Fly Zone in Syria. The videos were then uncritically showed by CNN on April 16, and the request for a No-Fly Zone repeated. Dagens Nyheter has also demanded the establishment of such No-Fly Zone in Syria.

Such unexplained juxtaposition of news referred to different events, and different years, constitutes a most typical example of ‘fake news’. Remarkably, during the telephone interview with DN –asked by DN just some hours before the two page article was published– Prof Ferrada de Noli declared the following to the journalist Mikael Delin: “Fake news is not only when a journalist twists an information, or invents an information that does not exist. Fake news is also when central information is omitted”. This reply was among the very many, in fact, most of the SWEDHR declarations during the interview, which were not published in the ‘investigative report’ by DN.
The newspaper makes a great deal of concern about Swedish Doctors for Human Rights has been interviewed by Russian outlets. Swedish legislation about freedom of expression makes both absurd and illicit such ‘complaining’ about us given interviews and reporting our opinions or investigations-results (which by the way have nothing to do with Sweden) to TV channels or newspapers of any countries. These interviews were recently given by the SWEDHR chairman to journalists from UK, Denmark, Italy, Russia and the UK.

Past occurrence of gas attacks in Syria from the part of ‘rebels’ is documented. With regard to the alleged gas attack in Khan Sheikhoun, to the best of our knowledge it has not been probed that the perpetrator would have been the Syrian government. Neither have been confirmed by verifiable evidence the reports from the “White Helmets” and associated institutions about a purported aerial character of the alleged attack in Khan Sheikhoun.

When Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli was asked his opinion about a video of an interview with a ‘White Helmets’ personnel, his replies were definitive within the domain of injury epidemiology, which has been his special area of research as professor of public-health epidemiology (“Professor i folkhälsovetenskap inriktning epidemiologi“) and International Health. The main bulk of his observations about the video was the fact that the fatalities/injured ratio reported by the White Helmets in the movie, not only did not match ratio intervals described for cases of high-lethal chemical agents (high fatality scores vs. very low number of survivors), but also appeared to be the very reverse of those known estimations. This information was given to the Dagens Nyheter journalist, Mr Mikael Dalin, during the interview of April 21, 2107. However, the newspaper concealed this information. Furthermore, the news agency TT only refers “doktor i psykiatri’.

When Associated Professor Hans Blix (International Law) gave his assessment on the nonexistence of weapons of mass destruction, which the US attributed to Iraq, Dagens Nyheter never claimed that Hans Blix made that opinion to be in line with the Russian government. And definitely, Hans Blix was was never called over the phone by a DN journalist asking him if Russia was paying him, or what kind of contacts he has with the Russian government, or how much money he received from the Russians for each interview! In that case he would have replied exactly the same as Professor Ferrada de Noli did, “none whatsoever”.

Swedish media or any communicator or individual publicly stating or writing that SWEDHR has “denied the existence of gas attacks in Syria” (note the plural substantive) is blunt lying, and therefore liable for defamation. The same goes for Wikipedia users that simultaneously with the DN article of April 22, 2017, have posted that “SWEDHR is an organization whose only output is statements supporting the views of the Russian government”, but not inserting at the same time the version of SWEDHR on that, as it is customary in the objective Wikipedia articles.
Questioning is not the same as denying. There is a categorical difference between questioning the reliability of a source, or the veracity of suspected amateurish-staged scenes presented as evidence, and affirming that SWEDHR has denied the existence of gas attacks in Syria or that it has helped the denial of gas-attacks occurrences in Syria [DN: “Gasattacker förnekas med hjälp från svensk läkargrupp“].

The conclusion formulated by the SWEDHR chairman at the end of the interview (the audio is embedded in the Sputnik article whose facsimile DN shows in the paper edition), clearly states that the allegations of a gas attack should be further examined by experts. Note that the audio’s title only refers that we are questioning the “evidence” represented by a video uploaded by the White Helmets, and neither all “evidence” alleged around the event nor the existence of the event.
Where is the proof that SWEDHR or its chairman and vice-chairman have expressly stated what DN is claiming in its article? These proof have to be presented by the one making the assertion, meaning DN.

Did DN care to perform necessary verification between a) the wording used by us in the interviews and replies we have done, and b) the explaining expressions and comments printed, translated, or broadcasted by the networks (there are several, not only “from Russia”, e.g. UK, Germany, Denmark) referred to our stances? These networks have the absolute right to comment our statements done in the interviews, yet, if DN and TT would be really and fairly wishing to quote direct from us, they should themselves have asked for an interview on our investigation-conclusions.

Why DN is deliberately mixing up our declarations? What we said about “fake life-saving procedures” around an alleged incident of March 2015 in Syria reported by the White Helmets, is definitive not the same of what we say about videos showing the alleged incident of April 4 in Khan Sheikhoun, Syria.
Why does the Swedish News agency TT further spin the DN article against SWEDHR (republished in most if the Swedish established newspapers) through mixing-up texts from the DN article in order to give a deceitful impression –totally unfounded– about the aims of the investigative activities we do at SWEDHR?
What would be the real reasons behind this sudden, and apparently coordinated smearing against SWEDHR? Why, simultaneously with the DN attack, Swedish users have deleted most of the text and references that appeared untouched during over two years in the old Wikipedia article “Swedish Doctors for Human Rights” and replaced with this libel, sourced –as they write– in the DN publication of April 22, 2017: “(SWEDHR)…publish statements supporting the positions of the government of Russia on a variety of global issues”. Why these same users, sourcing in Dagens Nyheter, have asked the deletion of the Wikipedia article on the SWEDHR founder professor? [See “View History” indicated on top of both mentioned articles in Wikipedia] Why, when Wikipedia administrators turned down the request by the Swedish users to delete the article on SWEDHR, those same users proceeded to ‘vandalize’ both above-mentioned articles in Wikipedia and source the defamation on Dagens Nyheter, but, again not giving our version contesting those wrong assumptions?

Amidst Sweden’s compact oligopoly stream media, with a clear warmongering agenda, just how wide known could become a small organization of professors and doctors fighting for world peace? An organization whose age it is said by DN of being less than two years? With no sponsoring or governmental funding as ALL the rest of similar organizations in Sweden? With all media exactly in the opposite ideological side?

The answer is, “Thanks, quite wide known in Sweden, indeed”. Thanks to this front-page article about us in DN [front-page image above, online edition April 20, 2017], the cable by Swedish news agency TT, and the publications of the same day in Aftonbladet, Expressen, Göteborg Posten, VK, Metro, etc, etc.

Paradoxically, it was never our goal to become this much known in Sweden. We aimed from the beginning [See SWEDHR Foundation Manifest] to solely intervene in the international debate of human rights and health, and to work for diminishing the current risks of a world conflagration. We believe we are on our way to achieve that goal, when we could document that during 2016, our online magazine The Indicter did receive more than a quarter of million readers. In addition, in less than six months, The Indicter Channel has got over 360,000 subscribers.

Nevertheless we intentionally do NOT have a focus on the domestic human rights endevours in Sweden, SWEDHR statements denouncing war crimes have been published and/or commented in the journal of Swedish Doctors Association (“Läkartidningen”) and the medical news quotidian “Dagens Medicine”. The Swedish branch of “Doctors Without Borders” has even sent a gratitude message to SWEDHR for our denouncing of the bombardment of one of their hospitals done by coalition forces. And even Dagens Nyheter (DN) has eventually published opinion pieces signed by Swedish Doctors for Human Rights, and where we have stated our opposition to further Sweden’s approach to NATO. In a fortuitous encounter of SWEDHR chairman with the Swedish Minister of Foreign Affairs, the minister courteously complimented our human rights endeavours, as we did about those of her own, back in 2015.

But in recent issues of The Indicter, SWEDHR was obliged to denounce a variety of late human rights infringements by the Swedish government referred to international human-rights issues. We have also criticized the support by Sweden’s most influential media, the self-called “independent liberal” paper Dagens Nyheter (DN) for a No-Fly Zone in Syria –a measure deemed by U.S. generals as leading inevitably to a war between the US and the Russian Federation [See our video “Swedish elites’ DN endorse H. Clinton No Fly Zone: It would mean War with Russia and Syria“].

Newly, we also presented evidence, based on clinical assessments by SWEDHR doctors [here, and here], which demonstrated that a material propagated by Sweden’s supported organization “White Helmets” were in fact fake ‘life-saving’ procedures or straight anti-medical. The importance of this revelation was deemed principal by international and social media outside Sweden, particularly in the US and UK, since our investigation referred to video materials presented in April 2015 at a United Nations Security Council ad-hoc meeting called by the then US ambassador Samantha Powers to back the request from the White Helmets for the establishment of a NO-Fly Zone in Syria. Eventually, SWEDHR’s own investigative report was presented as evidence in the United Nations Security Council session of April 12, 2017.

Ensuing our denounces, Swedish users requested to Wikipedia to delete the article “Swedish Doctors for Human Rights”. Wikipedia administrators decided to keep the article. However, simultaneously with the unjustified attack against our organization published now April 20 by DN, the same Swedish users destroyed the Wikipedia article with the use of massive text decimation and the introduction of deceitful, and even racist-wise edits.

Leading Swedish newspaper DN: “Welcome to Little U.S., Mr. President”



What are the real reasons of this remarkable political attack by DN and the Swedish media, against an organization they claim it is “almost unknown”?

There are reasons in the background, and immediate causes. This is in the context: SWEDHR and The Indicter Magazine are the only geopolitical and human-rights publications in Sweden that exercise a critical analysis of both the authorities and the media (institutions that are highly correlated in Sweden ). Established human rights organizations in Sweden – all partly or totally financed by the government or public funds– do not care for this questioning. We have successively published the result of our analyses and research in The Indicter Magazine and also in “SWEDHR Research and Reports”.

The leading text in SWEDHR’s online magazine, The Indicter, might also explain the reaction of a group of Swedish Wikipedia-users which have already declared their agenda of deleting both Wikipedia articles “Swedish Doctors for Human Rights” and regarding an article about his founder, “Marcello Ferrada de Noli”.

Please note also that SWEDHR has from the beginning declared that the organization was going to deal with geopolitical issues associated with the human rights and health in an international frame. SWEDHR has never had the aim to principally work in the domestic Swedish arena. From this premise, the ‘criticism’ against SWEDHR for being more known internationally rather than within the domestic Swedish ‘duckpond’ (as The Indicter characterizes Sweden elites’ media), in fact appears as non relevant and even logically absurd. Documented examples of SWEDHR presence in the international decision-making process are found in the references done by the very article in Dagens Nyheter (DN) aimed to vilify our organization on absolutely false grounds. DN recalls a SWEDHR report mentioned in the United Nations Security Council session of April 12, 2017. Another is, according to DN, the citing of the SWEDHR report in the discussions between the superpowers around proceedings at the OPCW, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons [Both information sourced in the DN article of April 20, 2017].

This is the leading text in the presentation found at “The Indicter’s Editorial Board“:

"The Indicter Magazine –an initiative of Swedish Doctors for Human Rights– has most of its audience located in the US and other English-speaking countries. The Indicter Magazine has established itself as a rare window through which the secrets of Sweden’s elites can be seen from abroad, as shown by the annual report of January 2017 showing our nearly 300,000 site visitors and our compilation of articles.

Our aim is to analyse human right issues with international impact. We also examine and share geopolitical-relevant news about Sweden that otherwise would remain known only by a self-affirming Swedish governing class and commentariat (which we have termed a “Duck Pond” of complacency). Conversely, we give interested Swedes an insight on the international opinions about Sweden, which the state-owned and mainstream media restrict. The few media sites that publish in English from Sweden are heavily financed by the Swedish state and are devoted to a pro-NATO agenda of biased news despite Sweden’s ostensibly neutral status."
In concrete, SWEDHR has criticized in The Indicter, in a variety of investigative articles and statements, a number of issues in which Sweden has appeared in franc neglecting of human rights, internationally. Some examples: a) The illicit arms exports done by Sweden to countries maintaining belligerent actions against civil populations (such as the case of the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, in which also participate UAE, recipients of arms exports from Sweden), all which constitutes a human rights concern. b) The utilization of bribes for the obtaining of a seat in the United Nations Security Council. c) The refusal of Swedish authorities to abide with the UN (UNGWAD-panel) decision on Julian Assange’s arbitrary detention and respect for his political asylum – also a theme of civil and human rights. d) A criticism to former Swedish authorities for, in the analysis of SWEDHR, would have indulged in warmongering activities and support of the repression of civil minorities in the disputed area of Donbass, Ukraine. e) A criticism to the warmongering Swedish political establishment and media that supported the initiative of establishing a No-Fly Zone in Syria, in spite that the very top of US armed forces generals have declared that a NO-Fly Zone in Syria would immediately signify war with Russia.

A sample of analyses here below:

[Click on he links]

What’s behind the terrorist attack in Sweden?

White Helmets Movie: Updated Evidence From Swedish Doctors Confirm Fake ‘Lifesaving’ and Malpractices on Children

Swedish Doctors for Human Rights: White Helmets Video, Macabre Manipulation of Dead Children and Staged Chemical Weapons Attack to Justify a “No-Fly Zone” in Syria

How Sweden bribed its way to a seat in the UN Security Council using millions taken from the public budget for aid to poor countries

Analysis: The Assange case in the context of Sweden’s feminist foreign policy for international trade gains

How Sweden will help bombing Yemen exporting weapons to UAE

Iraq war: ‘Neutral Sweden’s participation in US bombing of Baghdad civilian shelters

Sweden’s unethical – and unlawful ­­– arms deals with ISIS-backing Saudis

Tell Sweden to respect decision by the United Nations body on Arbitrary Detention and free Julian Assange!



Brand-marked by DN’s geopolitical Russophobia

This section deals with academic characterizations done in the DN article on Professor emeritus Marcello Ferrada de Noli.

The origin of the criticism against SWEDHR by these representatives of the Swedish elites could be resumed in one word: Geopolitical Russphobia.

What is unforgivable for these Swedish elites is not so much that I criticized their wrongdoings. For, really, they could not expect a different intellectual behavior for my part.

(For instance, the DN journalist doing the interview, mentioned –I did not understand if in critical terms or just stating his hypotheses– that there “seems to be” a line of political or ideological conduct between my past societal engagements and the denunciations we are doing now in SWEDHR. So, this with SWEDHR must be also a political engagement for me? Perhaps he was expecting me to deny my past, or negate my present, and to say, “no, no, this is different”, “this is more neutral”, “more mature”, etc. Instead I said, “of course, it is the same line, the same thread, and you can search even before in my life if you wish. For you will find the same”. If not in these exact words, I referred to this identical in content: La lotta continua. Then he changed the subject.)

The problem is that I am, or so I was regarded until today in Sweden, a Swedish professor. And a Swedish professor has never, ever, been interviewed by six different Russian channels while publishing one op article in a legendary “Soviet” paper like Izvestia, and all in about the same week.

Therefore, one could believe, it was a remarkable emphasis in the interview on reiterative questions like whether “Russia” is paying me or SWEDHR, if “Russia TV” paid me for the interviews, or for the expenses. if I had any relation with the Russian authorities, etc, etc. There were questions as coming directly from the Swedish Security Police. All my answers were “no, of course not”. It did not matter much.

Now assessing the spirit of the DN article, it is just to conclude that, obviously, the truth helps not against DN’s idiosyncratic prejudice.

I was brand-market for being interviewed by “Russians”. And while another colleague interviewed was properly referred in the article as to “Associate Professor Åke Sellström” [“Docent Åke Sellström“] , I was demoted immediately from my legal professor-title, or my professor emeritus title once bestowed upon me with diploma and medal and all. Now I was in the DN article with my name only. Not too bad. And the Wikipedia article on “Swedish Doctors for Human Rights” was immediately changed by Swedish users. Now, not any longer it says that “SWEDHR was founded by Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli”. It has been changed to, “SWEDHR was founded by [only] a “Chilean Swedish” of name bla bla. [we come back to the Wikipedia episodes down below in his text].

Is that not, cultural racist?

No, we think it is geopolitical”Russophobia”. And and only partly. Is is also a standard journalist trick otherwise popular in low-ethic minded tabloids elsewhere, consisting in personally discredit or diminish the relevance of the messenger himself in order to invalid the message.

And it is more than that, Far more. It is about the ‘NATO versus Neutral Sweden’ dispute. DN’s geopolitical alignment is known. In our opinion, such alignment does not correspond to the interest of Sweden, to the national-security interests of Sweden to be more precise. SWEDHR’s stance on the issue is also known. We are for the increasing of Sweden’s neutrality stances and preserve non-alignment. The position of some SWEDHR members of the board has even made public by DN itself, in debate-rebuttal articles published in DN and carrying SWEDHR signature.

it is also a form of libellous Russophobia, if I may add. Because on and on the DN article hints –utterly mistaken– on that our positions at SWEDHR are identical to the positions that the Russian government maintains. It is an utterly wrong assumption by DN and all the media that have repeated the same geopolitical libel. In the first place, because the authorities in Russia or Syria are referring to political analyses, and proposing political solutions. In our case, we are referring to epidemiological and clinical analyses of material depicting an alleged scenario (purported resulted from an alleged chemical attack), and we abstain of proposing any political solution.

To demand that the events should be investigated objectively, and that all evidence should be put at the disposal of any second qualified opinion, that is not a political position; that is to have a scientific-research minded stance.

This is the reply I sent in my written correction – which was not printed exactly in this way:

The questions you raise coincide with the the Russian government’s line [“Frågorna som ni driver överensstämmer med den ryska regeringens linje…”]

– No, now I interrupt you. We have a line of our own, we engage for peace. Whether our findings coincide or not with a variety of governments, that is not our intention. It’s the same situation when Hans Blix made statements about that “Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction” did not exist.

[“Nej, nu avbryter jag dig. Vi har vår egen linje, vi agerar för fred. Huruvida våra fynd överensstämmer eller ej med olika regeringar är det inte vår avsikt. Samma sak när Hans Blix uttalade sig om att ”Saddams massförstörelsevapen” inte funnits”].

The criticism of DN and other media against SWEDHR does not address our results, the content of our investigations

The DN criticism makes no reference at all on what our findings were. The text contains, principally, distilled references ad hominem, and innuendos or suggestive phrasing trying to discredit us as persons, and by assaying that, trying to discredit our organization.

The journalist that called me to do the interview, without any previous warning, refused my proposition of sending me the questions per email. So it was totally unexpected and recorded directly bu the journalist. It did not matter much to me, really.

The interviewing journalist, Mikael Delin, did not print all what I said, neither all his questions. Nevertheless, he was fair in reproducing correctly the segments of the interview that were finally published, with the only exception of the text quoted above –and which I sent to him corrected via email.

Where is the proof, the facts supporting the DN slander?

Post: #706

The Indicter is Swedhr's own publication, no surprise that they'd publish that. Their reports (and we are talking about their complete history) findings just happen to align with Russian interests but apparently for different clinical reasons. Awfully convenient. Again they are also commenting on NATO which I see no reason why a doctor's association should.

Most damning, they're also not doing anything to address that no one among their peers know who they are or the status of their organization. Their only reply to this is to call them "Swedish elites" and "Globalist russophobes" (odd for someone calling out DN for slander).

So all in all I don't see anything that's really explaining the findings of the DN article. The facts remain the same, Swedhr is NOT a swedish doctor's organization.

Post: #707

(04-24-2017 06:04 AM)Vicious Wrote:  How's your literacy? Where am I saying anything about who carried out the attack?

On the other hand, It says something about you. That you would assume I'm picking sides because I'm questioning a source. For someone just out to push one narrative regardless of facts that's usually a hard concept to grasp.

For the record I trust Bellingcat's take on this. While they acknowledge Russia have spread considerable disinformation on this strike their bottom line is that the data is inconclusive on who carried out the strike.
We need something truly incriminating to surface to really point fingers here. Still this is a big jump from the current western media/Trump administration narrative.

Seriously - et tu - Russia being responsible for anything?

What is going on?

Will you tell us about the glories of feminism next?

Post: #708

(04-24-2017 09:00 AM)Traktor Wrote:  Bellincat, aka Elliot Higgins.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/exp...ot-higgins

Brought to you by the Atlantic Council, a Globalist thinktank.

You're welcome to address if there's anything in their analysis of the attack that doesn't add up. I haven't really seen anyone even on the pro-assad side dispute their data (which is completely open and meticulously presented).

Just calling someone a shill and globalist is a rather weak argument.

Post: #709

(04-24-2017 11:48 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ]

Seriously - et tu - Russia being responsible for anything?

What is going on
Will you tell us about the glories of feminism next?

Seeing a lot of spineless appeals to groupthink right now.
What does this have to do with feminism?

Post: #710

(04-24-2017 09:00 AM)Traktor Wrote:  ...

Quote:In September 2014, the New York Times reported that since 2008, the organization has received donations from more than twenty-five governments outside of the United States, including $5 million from Norway.[34] Concerned that scholars from the organization could be covertly trying to push the agendas of foreign governments, legislation was proposed in response to the Times report requiring full disclosure of witnesses testifying before Congress.[35] Other contributors to the organization include the Ukrainian World Congress, and the governments of Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Kazakhstan and Saudi Arabia.[9][36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

State Departments are just getting lazy.

Time was, you'd grease the palms of some private citizen magnate with a contract to provide 1000 hammers for the military at 5,000 bucks a pop and then the private citizen magnate would make a cash donation to the NGO the State Department wanted to fund after pocketing their cut.

Now they just dump the funds straight in.

Tsk tsk. There's just no old fashioned craftmanship involved anymore.

Post: #711

(04-24-2017 09:00 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 06:04 AM)Vicious Wrote:  How's your literacy? Where am I saying anything about who carried out the attack?

On the other hand, It says something about you. That you would assume I'm picking sides because I'm questioning a source. For someone just out to push one narrative regardless of facts that's usually a hard concept to grasp.

For the record I trust Bellingcat's take on this. While they acknowledge Russia have spread considerable disinformation on this strike their bottom line is that the data is inconclusive on who carried out the strike.
We need something truly incriminating to surface to really point fingers here. Still this is a big jump from the current western media/Trump administration narrative.

Bellincat, aka Elliot Higgins.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/exp...ot-higgins

Brought to you by the Atlantic Council, a Globalist thinktank.

Quote:In September 2014, the New York Times reported that since 2008, the organization has received donations from more than twenty-five governments outside of the United States, including $5 million from Norway.[34] Concerned that scholars from the organization could be covertly trying to push the agendas of foreign governments, legislation was proposed in response to the Times report requiring full disclosure of witnesses testifying before Congress.[35] Other contributors to the organization include the Ukrainian World Congress, and the governments of Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Kazakhstan and Saudi Arabia.[9][36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

That's the same outfit that was used to sell the "Russian Hacking" story, with this dude:

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/exp...lperovitch





Do you buy that story too, Vicious?

Post: #712

Post: #713

Former Israeli Defence Minister confirms Israeli collaboration with ISIS.

https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/...sis-syria/

Quote:It’s common knowledge that Israeli foreign policy going back to the days of Ben Gurion has been exceedingly opportunistic and amoral. So I suppose one shouldn’t be surprised at this new development. But still it does momentarily take one’s breath away to contemplate just how sleazy Israel’s motives and choices can often be.

touché

Post: #714

Yea, and states ISIS apologized to Israel for attacking IDF forces in Golan Heights once.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-...ber-clash/

Quote:Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon on Saturday said the Islamic State terrorist group in the Syrian Golan Heights “apologized” for attacking an Israeli unit.

“There was one case recently where Daesh opened fire and apologized,” Ya’alon said, using the terror group’s Arabic nickname. his was an apparent reference to a clash that took place near the Syrian border last November, in which IDF troops exchanged fire with members of the Islamic State affiliate. After a brief gun battle, the Israeli military attacked the terrorist group with airstrikes and tank fire, killing four of them.

Israel and much of the Western world considers the Islamic State affiliate in the Syrian Golan Heights, known as the Khalid ibn al-Walid Army, to be a terrorist group. Communication with them is technically illegal under Israeli law, constituting contact with an enemy agent.

Ya’alon was speaking at an event in the northern city of Afula. He was interviewed on stage by Eli Levi, a Channel 10 news correspondent.

Former defense minister Moshe Ya'alon speaks at a cultural event in Afula on April 24, 2017. (Screen capture: Channel 10)
Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon speaks at a cultural event in Afula on April 24, 2017. (Screen capture: Channel 10)

His comment about the Islamic State’s apology was made as part of a broader point about Israel’s policy for Syria, which is largely non-interventionist.

Ya’alon was explaining that Israel carries out strikes against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces in retaliation when spillover fire hits the Israeli Golan Heights.

Ya’alon’s officer refused to elaborate on how exactly the Islamic State expressed its apology to Israel after the attack. The IDF also declined to comment.

Syrian officials have accused Israel of directly aiding the Islamic State and other rebel groups, a claim Jerusalem vociferously denies.

This is the same ISIS that last month made a 36 minute video in Farsi saying they'll burn Iran to the ground because it's a "fake Islamic republic", and it allows 30,000 Jews to live there

Post: #715

This is one of my favourite new Twitter accounts by the way.

I suspect Godfry Elfwick behind it....but it's brilliant. Shits all over Bana' account.

Post: #716

Looks like a pretext for a war/conflict with Russia is being crafted. Anything the US says is gospel so might as well throw everything at the wall and see if it sticks. I wonder what genius battle plan McNugget faggot has for being stretched thin as rice paper between Syria, Russia, and North Korea in conventional war. I see little reason for throwing this crap out into the minds of the mouth breathers besides trying to prepare the public for war as working with the Taliban would be an red line crossing for most Americans. How many will risk political and social suicide for opposing the confrontation of a terrorist supporting superpower?

Ties between Russia and the Taliban worry Afghan, U.S. officials

US general accuses Russia, Iran of boosting Taliban in Afghanistan

U.S. Suspects Russia Supplying Small Arms to Taliban in Afghanistan

fox

Quote:The top commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan denounced Russia and Iran during a Pentagon briefing Friday, charging the two nations were “legitimizing” the Taliban inside Afghanistan.

“Russia has overtly lent legitimacy to the Taliban,” Gen. John W. Nicholson told reporters. “This public legitimacy that Russia lends to the Taliban is not based on fact, but it is used as a way to essentially undermine the Afghan government and the NATO effort … so it’s not helpful.”

“Shifting to Iran, you have a similar situation. There have been linkages between the Iranians and the Taliban,” said Nicholson.

Referring to Russia, the general explained, “There is a competition with NATO.” He added, “We would like to see a change in their behavior.”

Nicholson also said Pakistan, a longtime U.S. ally, was lending support to the Taliban, which has launched a string of deadly attacks in the past week.

He also said the Taliban-affiliated Haqqani network was holding five Americans hostage. The State Dept designated Haqqani a terrorist organization in 2012.

Taliban forces recently killed 23 civilian across Nash district, Kandahar Province, Afghan police official Gen. Abdul Raziq said Friday. He said 29 Taliban fighters and six Afghan security servicemen had been killed in battles in the district.

Earlier, Taliban fighters killed four border police in an ambush in the southern province of Zabul. Bismullah Afghanmal, the provincial governor of Zabul, said the police were ambushed while on a foot patrol in a mountainous area. He said several Taliban also were killed in Sunday's clash, but had no additional details.

Two U.S. service members in Afghanistan died while fighting the Taliban in early November. Since early October, 11 Americans have been killed in combat in Afghanistan.

reuters

Quote:Afghan and American officials are increasingly worried that any deepening of ties between Russia and Taliban militants fighting to topple the government in Kabul could complicate an already precarious security situation.

Russian officials have denied they provide aid to the insurgents, who are contesting large swathes of territory and inflicting heavy casualties, and say their limited contacts are aimed at bringing the Taliban to the negotiating table.

Leaders in Kabul say Russian support for the Afghan Taliban appears to be mostly political so far.

But a series of recent meetings they say has taken place in Moscow and Tajikistan has made Afghan intelligence and defence officials nervous about more direct support including weapons or funding.

A senior Afghan security official called Russian support for the Taliban a "dangerous new trend", an analysis echoed by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson.

He told reporters at a briefing in Washington last week that Russia had joined Iran and Pakistan as countries with a "malign influence" in Afghanistan, and said Moscow was lending legitimacy to the Taliban.

Russia's ambassador to Kabul, Alexander Mantytskiy, told reporters on Thursday that his government's contacts with the insurgent group were aimed at ensuring the safety of Russian citizens and encouraging peace talks.

"We do not have intensive contacts with the Taliban," he said through an interpreter, adding that Russia favored a negotiated peace in Afghanistan which could only happen by cultivating contacts with all players, including the Taliban.

Mantytskiy expressed annoyance at persistant accusations of Russian collaboration with the Taliban, saying the statements by American and Afghan officials were an effort to distract attention from the worsening conflict.

"They are trying to put the blame for their failures on our shoulders," he told Reuters.

Quote:In recent months, Taliban representatives have held several meetings with Russian officials, according to Taliban and Afghan government sources.

Those meetings included a visit to Tajikistan by the Taliban shadow governor of Kunduz province, Mullah Abdul Salam, said Kunduz police chief Qasim Jangalbagh.

Another recent meeting occurred in Moscow itself, according to an official at the presidential palace in Kabul.

Earlier this week Afghan lawmakers said they planned to investigate reports of Russian aid to the Taliban, and had sent a letter to Moscow seeking clarification.

Afghan officials did not produce evidence of direct Russian aid, but recent cross-border flights by unidentified helicopters and seizures of new "Russian-made" guns had raised concerns that regional actors may be playing a larger role, Jangalbagh said.

"If the Taliban get their hands on anti-aircraft guns provided, for example, by Russia, then it is a game-changer, and forget about peace," said another senior Afghan security official.

Quote:According to Afghan and U.S. officials, Russian representatives have maintained that government security forces, backed by U.S. special forces and air strikes, have not done enough to stem the growth of Islamic State in Afghanistan.

Militants loyal to the radical Middle East-based network have carved out territory along the border with Pakistan, and have found themselves fighting not only Afghan and foreign troops, but also the Taliban, who compete for land, influence, and fighters.

Taliban officials dismissed the idea that their ties to Russia had anything to do with fighting Islamic State.

"In early 2008, when Russia began supporting us, ISIS(Islamic State) didn't exist anywhere in the world," the senior Taliban official said. "Their sole purpose was to strengthen us against the U.S. and its allies."

That was echoed by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, who said "ISIS is not an issue".

Nicholson said the talk of Islamic State is a smokescreen designed to justify Russian policies.

"Their (Russia's) narrative goes something like this: that the Taliban are the ones fighting Islamic State, not the Afghan government," Nicholson said.

"So this public legitimacy that Russia lends to the Taliban is not based on fact, but is used as a way to essentially undermine the Afghan government and the NATO efforts and bolster the belligerents."

(Additional reporting by Jibran Ahmad in Pakistan and Tatiana Ustinova and Andrew Osborn in Moscow; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

Post: #717

^ yea, something fishy going on.

Erdogan also has been on the offensive since winning the referendum, bombing the Kurds and Yazidis in Northern Iraq to oblivion in the last week. Was disappointed how quickly DT congratulated him and didn't called it a "Meds Yeghern" (What Obama used to do) rather than genocide when talking about Armenian genocide yesterday. Erdogan will be absolutely reckless now...A massive wave of migrants sent to Europe in case of non-visa for Turks is next on the card.

Meanwhile, the most likely next president of France (who was the only main candidate out of 4 who approved of American strikes on Assad 3 weeks ago), is a Bana follower.

By the way, huge huge credit to Max Abrahms. We all talk about ((( ))) and their media influence and I suspect Max is Jewish purely due to his last name. But he's one of the very few honest main stream "Experts" re: Syria. Extremely refreshing ! (Maybe has got something to do with having a Polish wife)

Post: #718

Israel was attacking Syrian forces by air for years and they only stopped because the Russian SAMs would have fucked them up.

Now they're just sidelined to the Golan Heights and intend to keep it. I do not how it will happen in the next 5-10 years but I do know something will occur.

Post: #719

History and politics can be so fascinating.

You can just picture some senior intelligence official in the Russian embassy in Kabul called Ivan, slightly overweight and sitting in a room without air conditioning. He has the face of a man who never smiles, except when his baby granddaughter babbles on the phone during calls home. The phone rings in his office. It's Reuters New Agency. Barely listening while giving a hollow gaze out the window, he quickly interrupts, "We do not have intensive contacts with the Taliban. They are trying to put the blame for their failures on our shoulders." With that quick statement the conversation ends.

Ivan moves to hang up but the phone slips from his hand and falls. Ivan curses loudly. He's already had a long day, there is a pile of field reports from his agents up near the border. As the Taliban has been on a winning streak recently, there's been more meetings taking place to talk about the future of Afghanistan.

Ivan picks the phone up off the floor and composes himself. Even after all these years he still loses coordination sometimes in his right hand which is missing 3 fingers. He looks back out the window, remembering those mountains from his youth, when he lost 3 fingers fighting the Taliban.


***FIN***

Post: #720

Bibi is asking for war very badly... WWIII, actually. Preliminary reports have emerged that an Israeli air raid has targeted Damascus International Airport or its perimeters. And since the Trump Admin is in war mode right now, I guess he's going to get it anyway, anyhow, any soon.

Post: #721

The US has imposed new sanctions on Syrian officials and the Syrian regime.

And reports are that Jordan and western countries have warned Lebanon of an imminent israeli military action.

Post: #722

I'm hearing reports the Israel has conducted an air raid on Damascus Airport.

Post: #723

(04-27-2017 04:47 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I'm hearing reports the Israel has conducted an air raid on Damascus Airport.

Greatest ally.

Just wait and see.

8d chess.

Post: #724

Two young women killed yesterday in a terrorist mortar shelling
of a Damascus residential neighborhood. I wonder if Ivanka is watching...

Post: #725

(04-26-2017 11:06 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  Bibi is asking for war very badly... WWIII, actually. Preliminary reports have emerged that an Israeli air raid has targeted Damascus International Airport or its perimeters. And since the Trump Admin is in war mode right now, I guess he's going to get it anyway, anyhow, any soon.

Funny, I always thought attacking civilian targets was a war crime.