Post: #1

This whole RooshV meetup people are "rapists" thing is so over the top ridiculous it's caused me to reflect on a few things.

1) The Establishment is weaker than I thought. Being so worried about a few men forming groups outside of their control...and having such a hysterical lie filled reaction, can only point to weakness.

2) ISIS is winning because they act in the interests of their men. They don't fear them armed and support them in their households. Yes, ISIS is barbaric and evil, but they have more legitimacy than Western Governments because their actions are more in accordance to reality and more in accordance with their citizens interests.

3) The future of Europe will be a clash between Islam and the last remnants of Christendom. The current elite will not be acceptable leaders to either the nationalists or the Mohammedans. This is part of the hysterical reaction and weirdness we are witnessing in the Western World. The world's order is undergoing a reshaping and the old dominant players are fearful.

Post: #2

The establishment isn't afraid, they're making men a convenient villain to distract the masses away from the real problem, the establishment.

As long as they're occupied, and it offers a valve to offer drama to women, and macho posturing for white knights, they'll never reflect on why the elite have captured most of the productivity gains in the last 50 years, and men haven't had a real pay rise since 1971.

Post: #3

The Establishment is very afraid.

Post: #4

delete

Post: #5

I'm tired of all the mention of the ones in power as "elite"......they may be in control yes

I mean just as an example but do any of these people look "elite" to you or just slime?

Post: #6

^ It's long been a thought in my mind, albeit one that I considered possibly naive that the constant referral to "the elite" sounds like a conspiracy theory to the moderate.

I've long thought we should be naming these people (whoever & wherever they are) in order to be credible in these arguments. A master Identifying the "Elite" thread could become a great resource round these parts.

Post: #7

What exactly is the establishment?

I'm seriously asking here. Roosh and the forum have gone so far off what interests me and what I support that I've stopped checking it much. Who is the establishment? How do you identify them? Are you sure they are monolithic? Why or why not?

Post: #8

The Establishment is the coordinated two minute of hate shaming campaign taking Roosh's satire work and twisting it to incite the slaughter of his character and possibly even person.

The Establishment is the people who orchestrated the incredible lying campaign against Roosh's organization of an International Men's Meetup to grab a few drinks.

The Establishment is whoever tells the European media to completely ignore the daily rape and assault of European Union women.

The Establishment is the coordinated blackout of Ron Paul's presidential campaign.

The Establishment is the coverup of Bill Clinton's rapes and sexual assaults, and Hillary's compliciity and ignoring the women who name her as the primary intimidator.

The Establishment is whoever coordinates the smear attacks on GamgerGate.

The Establishment is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama overtrhowing Gaddafi, with over 50% support among his people, in favor of radical jihadists who have since bankrupted this country and slaughtered Ethnic minorities. 100s of thousands dead.

"I'm seriously asking here. Roosh and the forum have gone so far off what interests me and what I support that I've stopped checking it much. Who is the establishment? How do you identify them? Are you sure they are monolithic? Why or why not?"

Who said they are monolithic?

Who are they? Look at the thread where Roosh is gathering intel on reporters who defame him. Those are the Establishment's lackeys.

The Establishment is the Bush's, the Clintons, the Rockefellers, Goldman Sachs, JpMorgan, the corporations that own the media, and the attendees of Davos.

It's not that hard to figure out. It does take a higher than average IQ though.


You sound like a 110 I.Q. mediocrity without the balls to stand up to those who harm you and your reframe of your cowardice as amused "above it all" persona is not fooling me nor any of the people in real life who see you exactly as what you are: someone who no one needs fear or respect.

Edit: It's weird, everything is going well in my life, but I have incredible anger regarding current events. If I have this anger, and my life is well, what must others be feeling? I believe these are dangerous and revolutionary times.

Stay safe RVF.

Post: #9

(02-04-2016 10:54 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  What exactly is the establishment?

I'm seriously asking here. Roosh and the forum have gone so far off what interests me and what I support that I've stopped checking it much. Who is the establishment? How do you identify them? Are you sure they are monolithic? Why or why not?

I'm not gonna go as hard on you, but the establishment is the very reason that this forum exist pretty much. If you recall the first day you joined, you were intrigued to know what it took to sleep with the fine bitches that you were seeing all day, and that you were afraid to talk to (I know I was). The establishment is the very entity that destroyed the old traditional values where men could be men without fear of retaliation, and where women were respectful and enjoyed their life. It was a win-win. Now men can't even organize a public meet up!

But now, everything is screwed up, and people are lost! Men are bitched, and vice versa! The establishment is the very Matrix that you never knew was there, and that you're barely starting to see by being here. If you stick around, you'll become better at "spotting the cat that you've seen before" and reject toxic ideas that are not beneficial to you such as Radical Feminism and political hypocrisy.

I know this probably read like some mambo jambo crap to you right now since I would be thinking the very same thing if I was reading this 2 1/2 years ago! I'm still not done fucking all kinds of bad bitches... but eventually Neomasculinity will be the only way for me when the excess will make me do a 180! I've read about it, seen the transition in one of my best friend, witnessed Roosh go through that transition in his writings, so I know this transition will come for me too when I'm ready.

Post: #10

(02-04-2016 10:41 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I'm tired of all the mention of the ones in power as "elite"......they may be in control yes

I mean just as an example but do any of these people look "elite" to you or just slime?

Shit it doesn't matter what you believe in, but damn there's something sinister about David Rockefeller's face fuck!! Something ain't right with that face...

Post: #11

(02-04-2016 11:18 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  The Establishment is the coordinated two minute of hate shaming campaign taking Roosh's satire work and twisting it to incite the slaughter of his character and possibly even person.

The Establishment is the people who orchestrated the incredible lying campaign against Roosh's organization of an International Men's Meetup to grab a few drinks.

The Establishment is whoever tells the European media to completely ignore the daily rape and assault of European Union women.

The Establishment is the coordinated blackout of Ron Paul's presidential campaign.

The Establishment is the coverup of Bill Clinton's rapes and sexual assaults, and Hillary's compliciity and ignoring the women who name her as the primary intimidator.

The Establishment is whoever coordinates the smear attacks on GamgerGate.

The Establishment is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama overtrhowing Gaddafi, with over 50% support among his people, in favor of radical jihadists who have since bankrupted this country and slaughtered Ethnic minorities. 100s of thousands dead.

"I'm seriously asking here. Roosh and the forum have gone so far off what interests me and what I support that I've stopped checking it much. Who is the establishment? How do you identify them? Are you sure they are monolithic? Why or why not?"

Who said they are monolithic?

Who are they? Look at the thread where Roosh is gathering intel on reporters who defame him. Those are the Establishment's lackeys.

The Establishment is the Bush's, the Clintons, the Rockefellers, Goldman Sachs, JpMorgan, the corporations that own the media, and the attendees of Davos.

It's not that hard to figure out. It does take a higher than average IQ though.


You sound like a 110 I.Q. mediocrity without the balls to stand up to those who harm you and your reframe of your cowardice as amused "above it all" persona is not fooling me nor any of the people in real life who see you exactly as what you are: someone who no one needs fear or respect.

Edit: It's weird, everything is going well in my life, but I have incredible anger regarding current events. If I have this anger, and my life is well, what must others be feeling? I believe these are dangerous and revolutionary times.

Stay safe RVF.

The Establishment does not really conceal itself anymore. They know that in this internet age, word is out. So, they do meet, behind closed doors and security guards, yes, but they meet and almost in the open: at Davos, Bilderberg meetings... They have a "fuck-you ordinary citizens", unhealthy attitude, that hopefully will blow in their faces some day soon...

Post: #12

Roosh is not the only 'manosphere' figure to be the target of an organised smear campaign.

Chris from Good Looking Loser has also had the "you're a rapist" mass attack.

https://twitter.com/GoodLookingLosr/stat...1093059585

Like Roosh he has moved away from 'PUA' output, and his articles and videos are now more broad. He isn't as concerned about politics and social issues like Roosh, but his focus is on masculinity generally.

He has been featured on some SJW youtube channels as a "rapey" guy, because he has the balls to approach women, and wants to help other men do the same. The videos are immature and completely lacking substance. They ignore completely the behavioural psychology at work.

Call me crazy if you like, but I believe that useful idiots are told who to go after.

Post: #13

Add to this... If pre-GFC you stood up and said the government had vast data files on every citizen, tapped phone calls of ordinary citizens with impunity, tracked every form of digital communication, covered up war crimes etc - people would think you're a complete conspiracy nut. If you said democracy was actually quite totalitarian but in a very subtle way, people would think you were absolutely crazy.

Then Wikileaks happens.

Then Edward Snowden defects from the NSA.

We realise that our suspicions were not even close to the extent to which our national governments infringe on the liberties of regular people.

That's just the individual liberties sphere. Add to that the GFC and its fallout, revealing the economic and political shadow games playing out right now to enrich the elites at the expense of the masses. The 99% protests were shut down because some of the 1% are ordinary hard working people like doctors. But the the top 0.1% are a very real group of people with more wealth than huge percentages of the aggregate wealth of the masses. The masses have no idea why their purchasing power is declining, unemployment rising, etc. The elite know exactly what is going on. Foreign policy - the US actions in the Middle East appear hell bent on taking out stable governments (Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria) and letting jihadists fill the void. Half a year of US airstrikes and ISIS were still selling oil to Turkey before the Russians started taking them out. The media doesn't put the hard questions out there.

No one asks the hard questions in broadsheet papers or magazines.

That is the biggest message people need to take home. Meet up with like minded critically thinking people and unravel what is being clearly obfuscated but is in fact social, political and economic reality.

Post: #14

(02-04-2016 10:41 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I'm tired of all the mention of the ones in power as "elite"......they may be in control yes

I mean just as an example but do any of these people look "elite" to you or just slime?

"Ruling elite" is a perfectly normal term.

It's used in the study of History to refer to the people in a society who are controlling it.


You say they don't look 'elite', but that doesn't really dispute their influence and power.

Post: #15

Roosh is a hero for exposing the corrupt establishment. The mainstream media has been controlled all along, it isn't shocking to see such coordinated and consistent attacks on roosh from all part of the globes. What seems to be lazy journalism is actually an orchestrated effort to prohibit men from organizing. Men meeting leads to exchanging new ideas, challenging the status quo and reforming societies. The elites understand that any setting where men are allowed to speak freely about politics or anything else will threaten their stronghold on western society.

Social marxism has invaded every facet of life, we live in a police state where men are not allowed to have thoughts. Western women are poisoned, the sexes are divided and fighting each other while fertility is well below replacement rate. In other words, the western world is dying and to be replaced by a multicultural mixed breed that will be easier to control. These feminists might as well start wearing burkas and demanding sharia law.

Post: #16

I just figured it was how all the "news" sites get their stories, they all proscribe from 2 or 3 main sources, then just tailor for their locale.
I thought they all saw the viral rage story of "rape army near you!" and wanted to hop on the clickbait-money dick, but I might be naive in my assumptions.

Post: #17

After you see the coordination for the 10th or so time, and it always happens to be against your interests, and blatantly false or spun in a ridiculous way, you start to lose the naivety.

Post: #18

In Germany there were already whistleblowers from the biggest news papers and TV stations.

Yes there are only a couple of news sources world wide which are used, but the rabbit whole is far deeper.

They get threatened, they get shamed and they get fired although the law says it shouldn't be possible to be fired so easily here.

It's like every politician and journalist is either brainwashed or corrupted from money and blackmailing.

Here we call corruption "feel good corruption", because it's not even illegal and noone talks about it. A politician is just ordered to follow his conscience by law..

And the politicians or journalists who leave the mainstream and try to tell the truth are called rightwing, Nazis, crazy or will be implausible.

Most of the papers even operate with a loss.. They get funding although they can't make profit. It's just one tool of the modern propaganda machine. I don't know anybody who buys the local paper anymore but there is the Sunday paper free for the whole city.

Post: #19

(02-04-2016 08:04 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  This whole RooshV meetup people are "rapists" thing is so over the top ridiculous it's caused me to reflect on a few things.

1) The Establishment is weaker than I thought. Being so worried about a few men forming groups outside of their control...and having such a hysterical lie filled reaction, can only point to weakness.

2) ISIS is winning because they act in the interests of their men. They don't fear them armed and support them in their households. Yes, ISIS is barbaric and evil, but they have more legitimacy than Western Governments because their actions are more in accordance to reality and more in accordance with their citizens interests.

3) The future of Europe will be a clash between Islam and the last remnants of Christendom. The current elite will not be acceptable leaders to either the nationalists or the Mohammedans. This is part of the hysterical reaction and weirdness we are witnessing in the Western World. The world's order is undergoing a reshaping and the old dominant players are fearful.

This is silly.

1.) The 'Establishment' is incredibly powerful. They aren't worried, they are just playing the game - and the won the round. It is important not to attach emotions to inanimate objects. The 'Establishment' is a large number of institutions operating a model of organizational learning - meaning they are not dependent on the knowledge or particular qualities of any single member. It is a systemic approach. Systems do not experience emotions, although individuals within the system may do. Systems as a whole are focused towards optimization. This is an inherently unemotional process. Some workers within the 'Establishment' may be 'worried', but more likely, such as with the women in Parliament, they are simply applying the system to a set of circumstances to provide an outcome. Currently their system is better than ours - they won.

2.) ISIS aren't winning because they act in the interests of their men. If, indeed, they are winning at all, it is because they are a military organisation run by extremely experience intelligence officers from Saddam's former army. They give a few religious concessions to their foot soldiers, like slave women etc, and provide them with an outlet for their baser natures, but they are in reality, at senior level, an extremely cynical, secular, and effective intelligence led operation. If there is any lesson to be learned from ISIS, it is how effective good intelligence officers, effectively employed, can be.

3.) Perhaps.

Post: #20

And two links for the Isis topic concerning Isreal and USA which both help ISIS for their own proxy war agenda:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/07/...s-in-iraq/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/27/...-hospital/

Post: #21

So the establishment is leftist media and the super-rich.

I hear this shit but I just don't buy it. Most of the super-rich give absolutely zero fucks about neomasculinity and many would not be opposed to it. Pretty much everyone I work with is in the top 1%, most are not super-rich but are certainly far above the average income. Many, possibly even most of these guys would have no problem with neomasculinity. A lot of them know about game. I know enough of the people at the very top to know that their views are fundamentally the same. A lot of people have this Lex Luthor image of the super rich. That's pure bullshit. What would you do with a ton of money? That's the same thing these guys do. Yesterday I had lunch with a few of the guys I work with and one of the big bosses at my company. This man is a billionaire and there's a very good chance you've heard of him. We talked about chicks, not his plans for global domination.

The leftist media is a different creature altogether. It's mostly controlled by the government, not by big corporations. Intelligence agencies hire plenty of "journalists".

To the extent that corporations make massive contributions to political campaigns, it is to guarantee themselves a seat at the table when the government is considering new regulations that would destroy their businesses.

Post: #22

(02-04-2016 10:41 PM)hedonist Wrote:  I'm tired of all the mention of the ones in power as "elite"......they may be in control yes

I mean just as an example but do any of these people look "elite" to you or just slime?

I've met one of them. They look even uglier in person.

Post: #23

(02-06-2016 01:57 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  So the establishment is leftist media and the super-rich.

I hear this shit but I just don't buy it. Most of the super-rich give absolutely zero fucks about neomasculinity and many would not be opposed to it. Pretty much everyone I work with is in the top 1%, most are not super-rich but are certainly far above the average income. Many, possibly even most of these guys would have no problem with neomasculinity. A lot of them know about game. I know enough of the people at the very top to know that their views are fundamentally the same. A lot of people have this Lex Luthor image of the super rich. That's pure bullshit. What would you do with a ton of money? That's the same thing these guys do. Yesterday I had lunch with a few of the guys I work with and one of the big bosses at my company. This man is a billionaire and there's a very good chance you've heard of him. We talked about chicks, not his plans for global domination.

The leftist media is a different creature altogether. It's mostly controlled by the government, not by big corporations. Intelligence agencies hire plenty of "journalists".

To the extent that corporations make massive contributions to political campaigns, it is to guarantee themselves a seat at the table when the government is considering new regulations that would destroy their businesses.

Different levels of any organization have different jobs. Do you think an Army general is concerned where each private's left and right limits of fire are? Do you think the CFO of Starbucks is particularly concerned about how an entry level accountant is handling sales in the 2 or 3 stores that accountant handles? Is Obama concerned with the exact wording and posters of anti-masculine campaigns on individual campuses?

No. Each of those people has appointed underlings that they trust to take care of the mundane details.

My point is that the elite aren't concerned about that because they don't have to be. They have people who are hired to take care of those details, and ideologues staffed throughout private and public sector organizations who were only put there because someone thought they would be a great useful idiot.

Post: #24

[Topic: (unwanted??) Support by other movements]

I don't know where to post this, so I'll just do it here.
I hate it when different movements that have >75% of their views in common start wars amongst each others or discredit each others, because they focus on the parts they don't agree on. This way we will have a much harder time changing the narrative compared to if we fought for the common cause. That's why it pains me to read when posters here talk bad about MRAs. It's a different approach, but it still helps the cause and I appreciate what they do for me. The same goes for other political movements...
I know a lot of members here still have the contradictory views that they do understand the importance of nationalism and thus support it, but they are opposed to nationalism by the respective nations's original people (especially white nationalism) because the narrative has managed to convince them that WN = hate of others and mass-gassings. Well it's not and the alt-right, which shares a lot of your(/our? ) views, is full of WN. I actually found them through this forum some time ago. If you picture a skinhead-extermist thinking about WN, then I will refer you to The Golden One and ramzpaul instead:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLatsbrah/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ramzpaul/videos.

Normal people with normal opinions and no hate in them.
The latter has even written an article for RoK recently (http://www.returnofkings.com/76454/what-...ve-right), so Roosh himself obviously seems to be more understanding of the way of thinking. Many on the alt-right/WN political spectrum understand this about Roosh, which is why they defend him (some hate him, I know). Just wanted to share some of the support here and get an idea of how the forum thinks about this:

ramzpaul (was already posted in another thread):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYJvSB9jso

The Iron Legion - "Return of Kings International Meetup February 6th":
http://www.thisblogisdangerous.com/retur...ruary-6th/

Daily Stormer - "The Crackdown on Roosh is a Crackdown on Us All":
http://www.dailystormer.com/the-crackdow...on-us-all/

--> From the comments:
"Have you seen what ROK has turned into?
Alot of people there complain that it has gone White Nationalist.

Every third article is a alarm bell on the EU invasion, white displacement, multikulti, degeneracy, WW2, Trump articles and in general alot of pretty good commonsense stuff that all of us can get behind with often very intelligent comments. Kevin mcdonald articles and citations etc.

You should see some of the stuff that Ive posted.
I have the top comment on this article. I posted a photo and called out the jews too.
102 likes. Read the comments. Half of them would have been deleted anywhere else.
I have similar hightly liked posts on the site. he leaves them up.

http://www.returnofkings.com/70903/the-p...-black-men

The commenter Mr Bond and I have the top comments here too
http://www.returnofkings.com/70369/5-que...s-over-you

Hes organizing physical meet ups world wide, changing alot of stupid views etc.
I wish we could do that. Hes also being intensely persecuted by SJWs. He also has the balls to publish under his own name.

http://www.returnofkings.com/79393/priva...-locations

http://www.returnofkings.com/79463/atten...nal-meetup

http://www.returnofkings.com/78657/the-t...mmigration

http://www.returnofkings.com/73729/europ...-precipice

He even has started writing more about traditional family values and child rearing etc.
My advice is to leave the guy alone. Hes not bothering you. Attacking him serves no purpose. I applaud him.

Enough with this bickering talmudic crap.
He is a good man.

Testudo!!"

I want to thank Roosh for giving our ideas so much publicity and several forms of output. I very much hope to meet you some day to chat.

You see, the French nationalists understand that the Polish nationalists want the same for themselves as the French want for themselves. So the French nationalists don't hate on the Poles, but instead support their cause. The same thing applies to every other nation. WN simply means we want nations that have originally been white to stay white. But the same is understood for every other nation - WN often times also support an independent Palestinian state for example, etc. I think you get the idea. Loving your own kind does not equal hating others. Since Libertas (this is not an attack, mate!) has repeatedly warned the forum about posts like mine, I am prepared to get lynched for this, as I have been before in the "FEMEN activist sees the light"-Thread. Let's see how this one plays out.

Post: #25

(02-06-2016 01:57 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  So the establishment is leftist media and the super-rich.

I hear this shit but I just don't buy it. Most of the super-rich give absolutely zero fucks about neomasculinity and many would not be opposed to it.

Cognitive dissonance plays a big role I think.

Like Michael Moore and Rage Against the Machine denouncing the rich while being millionaires themselves; the rationale I heard from Moore is that he's "using" capitalism to fight against it from within because that's capitalism's weakness.

On the other side of the spectrum, what's ironic is that you don't hear the same objections to these "hedonistic" lifestyles when mainstream celebs engage in them - ex. Charlie Sheen sleeping with 100s of women, Justin Bieber having groupie sex, Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Mansion, etc

Yet when the 'hedonistic lifestyle' is advocated by so-called "pickup artists" that's when the objections are in full force.

It seems like the objections are less about the lifestyle itself so much as they are someone simply advocating for it openly.