Post: #26

(02-05-2016 02:14 AM)syrianguy Wrote:  Roosh is a hero for exposing the corrupt establishment. The mainstream media has been controlled all along, it isn't shocking to see such coordinated and consistent attacks on roosh from all part of the globes. What seems to be lazy journalism is actually an orchestrated effort to prohibit men from organizing. Men meeting leads to exchanging new ideas, challenging the status quo and reforming societies. The elites understand that any setting where men are allowed to speak freely about politics or anything else will threaten their stronghold on western society.

Its two fold. I agree with you. Don't discount the reality of lazy journalism also. With MSM counting its pennies as it bleeds money to online forms of media. Bare bone staff full of drooling SJW women from mediocre J-schools are tasked of reporting "news". None fact check, edits barley get made, most just barf junk onto a page and get the editor to put a title on it. The editor gets the calls from above on what stories to push, most of it is based of clickbait and sensationalism.

Much of the backlash against Roosh was a coordinated attack to undermine normal heterosexual men, but it was also a tidal wave of desperate news agencies trying to ride a wave of clickbait. At its peak it was non-sense of re-reported junk with empty articles simply just quoting each other. All just trying to catch a ride on the train.

I still say that many on RVF or in this manosphere orbit are still not 100% red pill. I hope this was the last straw to get men to wake up. It is in fact a overacting power that wants to destroy and undermine normal men. All men need to get locked in to the reality of the world.

Another important lesson in this Roosh's experience is recognizing who is controlled opposition. Look at how they attack a man who writes books and runs a few websites, what about larger "oppositions" who have a platform that reaches millions each day. Men like Alex Jone never get racked over the coals like Roosh yet he reaches millions every day, and advocates for much more hostile viewpoints. Always keep that in mind. The big opposing voices who don't get attacked, they do not get attacked because they are on the same team. If they can ignore you they will, if they can't then the try to destroy you.

Post: #27

Great point about Alex Jones. You'll never see Alex give a review of Culture of Critique, for example.

Post: #28

(02-07-2016 11:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Great point about Alex Jones. You'll never see Alex give a review of Culture of Critique, for example.

Well, he might, but if he did, he'd do it merely to try to argue against it. I don't like Alex Jones much, but I did give him credit for risking a lot of subscribers by having Dr. David Duke (who isn't liked much here either, I know) on the show and to my surprise he actually let him talk for quite a bit. However, I think he had him on trying to disprove his points, which he didn't manage to do and that's why he did lose several subscribers because of the video. In the end, he then took it down, but it has many mirrors for those interested:

Post: #29

(02-07-2016 11:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Great point about Alex Jones. You'll never see Alex give a review of Culture of Critique, for example.

He indeed doesn't seem keen on mentioning and criticizing Jews:

Post: #30

(02-06-2016 01:57 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  The leftist media is a different creature altogether. It's mostly controlled by the government, not by big corporations. Intelligence agencies hire plenty of "journalists".

To the extent that corporations make massive contributions to political campaigns, it is to guarantee themselves a seat at the table when the government is considering new regulations that would destroy their businesses.

I think we're splitting hairs at this point. Even though there are myriad examples of the world's ultra rich funding globalist agendas (i.e. Soros, Gates), let's assume that most of the top 1% are content to count their money and ignore politics. Fine. I won't waste effort on identifying whose doing what. Going down that avenue leads to dead ends. I think it's far more productive to focus on the levers of power and what challenges them.

You could argue that the internet provides an open medium to expose those levers of power. Except, a massive disinformation campaign is all that is required to derail serious inquiry for most people. When you start looking into who controls the world, above the international central bankers, a lot of sites will say that extra terrestrials or lizards control the world. Whose gonna believe that? The point is to sew doubt and discredit the message until people become discouraged and don't know what to believe.

Even the easily confirmed events can label you a conspiracy theorist. In Serbia we supported the KSA, which had connections to Al Quelda, which supposedly was our enemy in Afghanistan. We started the longest war in our history and massively expanded our police state and crushed civil liberties to root out terrorism as a result. Now supposedly they're our ally in Syria. Supposedly we went into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban, except they're now largely back in power and being negotiated with. Why did we go in there? Heroin production has skyrocketed in Afghanistan since we went in, but ignore that. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Who the people that control the levers of power in the world are is another topic for another day. We could get into a long and intense discussion on that matter, but I suspect it would be fruitless. Those at the very top of the seat of power would not want to be publicly known, and would go to great efforts to conceal their identities, their streams of wealth, and how they exert their power.

What we can do is attempt to understand their mindset, study their methods of control, and watch how our society is transformed over time to get an insight into their designs.

For sociopaths, the quest for control is never ending. You could argue that someone rich and powerful could care less about what the serfs of society are doing. But that is not true. Are you afraid of some ants, bees, or fish? Fall asleep long enough in the southwest, and a colony of fire ants can cause serious damage. An encounter with an African killer bee nest can be fatal. A school of piranhas can make short work of human flesh. In isolation, they don't pose a threat, but with coordination they do.

Prior to the French revolution, those in power said about the starving masses, "Let them eat cake". Within months, they were beheaded on the guillotine. Those at the height of power may be rich and control vast resources, but what gives them power is their control over the masses. It is a few thousand people against a mob of 7.5 billion people. Those 7.5 billion people can kill with blunt trauma alone, they can use complex tools, they can track others, and they can coordinate. Sure, they can be killed with nuclear weapons, with bullets, explosives, chemicals, and so on. But often that requires the cooperation of a complex hierarchy, large energy resources, and a long logistical chain.

As such, the insatiable drive to avoid any threat to their power requires absolute control. Any connection between individuals that is outside the scope of direct top-down monitoring and manipulation must be eradicated to prevent dissent.

Think I am exaggerating? Look around you. Selfishness and social atomization are being elevated as the highest virtues to aspire to. Look at the encouragement of YOLO, the culture of empty materialism, the preying on insecurities, and so on. Our entire pop culture yearns for the destruction of communities for the false reward of selfish gain.

Nations are being destroyed through demographic suicide and association of a healthy national identity with evil right wing thought crime. Religion is being perverted, shamed, and crushed wherever possible. Male networks are being discouraged, infiltrated, and dismantled in the name of 'inclusiveness'. The family unit has been destroyed and discouraged through feminism, no fault divorce laws, and the elevation of entitlement mentalities. Children are losing their natural bonds to their parents through broken families, thought policing from child protective services, and the conflating of parental guidance with emotional abuse. Even simple interactions between men and women are now reduced to psychological warfare and the prisoner's dilemma. What connection between people has been left untouched?

Then Roosh ushers a call for men to form Tribal meetings and all hell breaks loose. A massive and coordinated disinformation campaign takes place. Papers from around the world and in diverse time zones publish eerily similar messages within a few hours of each other. Anonymous, a group which has been alleged to have connections with the Five Eyes group, launches a massive cyber attack on RVF and RoK. Government level officials raise the issue in parliaments and invoke draconian immigration restrictions.

We're scratching our heads and wondering what the hell happened. All this, over a bunch of guys grabbing a beer and having a laugh. But to them, it's much more than that. We are men that have our lives together, we're successful, healthy, and well traveled. We've gained diverse experiences in life, which helped us gain wider perspectives. What unites us all is the courage to ask questions. To come here, we've had to reject the blue pill. We don't blindly accept what we're told. And we are beginning to come together and network with each other. I think you can see the connections here.

Post: #31

One thing that is evident from this is that the SJWs are an easily manipulated army of useful idiots who can be summoned at any time by the elites to shut down healthy men meeting each other outside of the virtual matrix.

It works like this.


https://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=en&s...VN5OF4M%3A

Post: #32

(02-08-2016 11:27 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  reply

If you're interested in the control structures of the USA and the world in general the following thread is a good read: /thread-48745-page-1.html

Post: #33

(02-08-2016 04:29 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:27 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  reply

If you're interested in the control structures of the USA and the world in general the following thread is a good read: /thread-48745-page-1.html

Thanks for the link. But yes, I've read through that, along with countless other books and websites on the matter. It could be the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the 12 bloodline families, the zionists, the international central bankers, the Bildeberg group, the hidden hands, and so on. I suspect there is truth to some of them, but I also think we won't know the true players behind the curtain until their risk exposure is almost zero.

Therefore, I think it's more fruitful to observe the effects of their machinations, and what they treat as their kryptonite.

Post: #34

(02-08-2016 11:27 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 01:57 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  The leftist media is a different creature altogether. It's mostly controlled by the government, not by big corporations. Intelligence agencies hire plenty of "journalists".

To the extent that corporations make massive contributions to political campaigns, it is to guarantee themselves a seat at the table when the government is considering new regulations that would destroy their businesses.

I think we're splitting hairs at this point. Even though there are myriad examples of the world's ultra rich funding globalist agendas (i.e. Soros, Gates), let's assume that most of the top 1% are content to count their money and ignore politics. Fine. I won't waste effort on identifying whose doing what. Going down that avenue leads to dead ends. I think it's far more productive to focus on the levers of power and what challenges them.

You could argue that the internet provides an open medium to expose those levers of power. Except, a massive disinformation campaign is all that is required to derail serious inquiry for most people. When you start looking into who controls the world, above the international central bankers, a lot of sites will say that extra terrestrials or lizards control the world. Whose gonna believe that? The point is to sew doubt and discredit the message until people become discouraged and don't know what to believe.

Even the easily confirmed events can label you a conspiracy theorist. In Serbia we supported the KSA, which had connections to Al Quelda, which supposedly was our enemy in Afghanistan. We started the longest war in our history and massively expanded our police state and crushed civil liberties to root out terrorism as a result. Now supposedly they're our ally in Syria. Supposedly we went into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban, except they're now largely back in power and being negotiated with. Why did we go in there? Heroin production has skyrocketed in Afghanistan since we went in, but ignore that. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Who the people that control the levers of power in the world are is another topic for another day. We could get into a long and intense discussion on that matter, but I suspect it would be fruitless. Those at the very top of the seat of power would not want to be publicly known, and would go to great efforts to conceal their identities, their streams of wealth, and how they exert their power.

What we can do is attempt to understand their mindset, study their methods of control, and watch how our society is transformed over time to get an insight into their designs.

For sociopaths, the quest for control is never ending. You could argue that someone rich and powerful could care less about what the serfs of society are doing. But that is not true. Are you afraid of some ants, bees, or fish? Fall asleep long enough in the southwest, and a colony of fire ants can cause serious damage. An encounter with an African killer bee nest can be fatal. A school of piranhas can make short work of human flesh. In isolation, they don't pose a threat, but with coordination they do.

Prior to the French revolution, those in power said about the starving masses, "Let them eat cake". Within months, they were beheaded on the guillotine. Those at the height of power may be rich and control vast resources, but what gives them power is their control over the masses. It is a few thousand people against a mob of 7.5 billion people. Those 7.5 billion people can kill with blunt trauma alone, they can use complex tools, they can track others, and they can coordinate. Sure, they can be killed with nuclear weapons, with bullets, explosives, chemicals, and so on. But often that requires the cooperation of a complex hierarchy, large energy resources, and a long logistical chain.

As such, the insatiable drive to avoid any threat to their power requires absolute control. Any connection between individuals that is outside the scope of direct top-down monitoring and manipulation must be eradicated to prevent dissent.

Think I am exaggerating? Look around you. Selfishness and social atomization are being elevated as the highest virtues to aspire to. Look at the encouragement of YOLO, the culture of empty materialism, the preying on insecurities, and so on. Our entire pop culture yearns for the destruction of communities for the false reward of selfish gain.

Nations are being destroyed through demographic suicide and association of a healthy national identity with evil right wing thought crime. Religion is being perverted, shamed, and crushed wherever possible. Male networks are being discouraged, infiltrated, and dismantled in the name of 'inclusiveness'. The family unit has been destroyed and discouraged through feminism, no fault divorce laws, and the elevation of entitlement mentalities. Children are losing their natural bonds to their parents through broken families, thought policing from child protective services, and the conflating of parental guidance with emotional abuse. Even simple interactions between men and women are now reduced to psychological warfare and the prisoner's dilemma. What connection between people has been left untouched?

Then Roosh ushers a call for men to form Tribal meetings and all hell breaks loose. A massive and coordinated disinformation campaign takes place. Papers from around the world and in diverse time zones publish eerily similar messages within a few hours of each other. Anonymous, a group which has been alleged to have connections with the Five Eyes group, launches a massive cyber attack on RVF and RoK. Government level officials raise the issue in parliaments and invoke draconian immigration restrictions.

We're scratching our heads and wondering what the hell happened. All this, over a bunch of guys grabbing a beer and having a laugh. But to them, it's much more than that. We are men that have our lives together, we're successful, healthy, and well traveled. We've gained diverse experiences in life, which helped us gain wider perspectives. What unites us all is the courage to ask questions. To come here, we've had to reject the blue pill. We don't blindly accept what we're told. And we are beginning to come together and network with each other. I think you can see the connections here.

+ 1

Post: #35

(02-07-2016 03:11 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:14 AM)syrianguy Wrote:  Roosh is a hero for exposing the corrupt establishment. The mainstream media has been controlled all along, it isn't shocking to see such coordinated and consistent attacks on roosh from all part of the globes. What seems to be lazy journalism is actually an orchestrated effort to prohibit men from organizing. Men meeting leads to exchanging new ideas, challenging the status quo and reforming societies. The elites understand that any setting where men are allowed to speak freely about politics or anything else will threaten their stronghold on western society.

Its two fold. I agree with you. Don't discount the reality of lazy journalism also. With MSM counting its pennies as it bleeds money to online forms of media. Bare bone staff full of drooling SJW women from mediocre J-schools are tasked of reporting "news". None fact check, edits barley get made, most just barf junk onto a page and get the editor to put a title on it. The editor gets the calls from above on what stories to push, most of it is based of clickbait and sensationalism.

Much of the backlash against Roosh was a coordinated attack to undermine normal heterosexual men, but it was also a tidal wave of desperate news agencies trying to ride a wave of clickbait. At its peak it was non-sense of re-reported junk with empty articles simply just quoting each other. All just trying to catch a ride on the train.

I still say that many on RVF or in this manosphere orbit are still not 100% red pill. I hope this was the last straw to get men to wake up. It is in fact a overacting power that wants to destroy and undermine normal men. All men need to get locked in to the reality of the world.

Another important lesson in this Roosh's experience is recognizing who is controlled opposition. Look at how they attack a man who writes books and runs a few websites, what about larger "oppositions" who have a platform that reaches millions each day. Men like Alex Jone never get racked over the coals like Roosh yet he reaches millions every day, and advocates for much more hostile viewpoints. Always keep that in mind. The big opposing voices who don't get attacked, they do not get attacked because they are on the same team. If they can ignore you they will, if they can't then the try to destroy you.

Having initially gone to university to study journalism a little over a decade ago I can conclusively say that it is the domain of the hack. In my very first class we learnt how to 'navigate the waters of libel, saying what you want to say without getting in trouble'…

Suffice to say that class was the one and only class I ever did with regards to journalism and quickly changed career courses that day.

If we are to ranking the totem pole of writers, journalists are at the bottom of the pile...

Post: #36

Of course the super rich support causes that most of the population opposes. In much the same way the masses support causes that most of the 1% oppose. Even if wealth were the only thing dividing us that would be the case. Different people, different incentives, different endowments, different views.

Yes, the super rich often conspire. The masses are too numerous to effectively conspire so their machinations are open for all to see.

I agree that there's too much opposition to conspiracy theories. Clearly, many political and geopolitical events are driven primarily by different groups of conspirators working against each other. Just as an example, the US Federal Reserve was founded because bankers and politicians conspired to push the law through congress. And I've assumed Anonymous was a front from the beginning. Useful idiots, just like ISIS.

However, I think conspiracy theorists in general give too much credence to their theories and not enough to natural evolution. I don't doubt that the current situation in Syria is a result of various factions of (mostly) politicians conspiring to shape Middle Eastern politics. I do highly doubt that the current situation has turned out resembling anything close to what any of the groups originally planned.

Yes, they are mostly sociopaths. No, they are not particularly effective in getting the desired outcome.

While I share your dim view of our culture, I don't believe it's the government or corporations keeping people this dumb and selfish. It's the other way around.

It's easy to say A leads to B which leads to C. In reality, the path isn't nearly as linear. It might be comforting to say that we got here because evil, TANGIBLE forces brought us here. Because we can fight against something that's tangible. But I'm afraid I can't share that view. I think we got here because of one force that we are almost powerless to overcome, human nature.

Politicians thrive by giving people the shit they say they want. These selfish people want this culture. They want to destroy masculinity because they don't have the strength to coexist with masculine men.

I still support Roosh because he's done so much good for men and I do believe there are tangible forces working against the interests of men and civilization. But to the extent those forces are in places of power, they are merely a reflection of a toxic culture. What are we doing to change that culture? How many of you are in a traditional patriarchal relationship? How many of you have a family that you're raising with good values?

Post: #37

(02-06-2016 03:23 PM)EDantes Wrote:  Like Michael Moore and Rage Against the Machine denouncing the rich while being millionaires themselves; the rationale I heard from Moore is that he's "using" capitalism to fight against it from within because that's capitalism's weakness.

That sounds like the 'pillar of the community' who calls his deviant porn collection 'research' when he is caught with it.

Post: #38

Heterosexual men forming at a time when the traditional pillars of the west are being undermined is threatening to the élite.

The rape slurs were just a strawman to use the avenues of hysteria between the media and the state-sponsored SJW thugs to stop men from potentially organizing.

Remember that European heterosexual men have no patriotic leadership in society anymore in contrast with every other group and newly invented or imported sub-group in the era of identity politics.

Post: #39

I still think it's just news sites all rage-copy-pasting to get a quick share of that almighty clickbait money. It goes in waves. edit; I actually haven't seen any mentions of this in actual printed newspaper or on tv here.
The downside is the media fueled rage crazies go try to be heroes.

I wonder if the meetup had still been at the library, if people would've got shot.

Post: #40

Quote:“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

- Propaganda, 1928, by Edward Bernays

Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and his ideas, such as critical theory helped shape the priorities of the Frankfurt school. These ideas were once considered radical, but are now the pervasive worldview of the west. That is a remarkable level of success. And that was published in the 1920s. They've had generations to improve their craft. Imagine their capabilities today.