Post: #26

Most of my notches have been from day game and its striking how these girls you meet in the bright clean glare of the day are freaks in the sheets at night. This includes a shy, conservatively dressed college student who recently told me “damn, MMM, I’ve always been the other woman, when do I get you to myself”; a nurse who liked to be slapped around; a city office worker who I banged at 6:00 am after her man dropped her off before work; and a chick who just wanted an anonymous bang. They walk among us, card carrying members of the secret society, in civilian dress. All you have to do is find them and give them the opportunity to get their freak on in a nonjudgmental setting. I’m sure we're all only too happy to oblige.

Post: #27

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Post: #28

Good post WIA, I remember reading the original like 5 years ago and being so confused and disturbed by it.


I look forward to hearing what Gio and some other posters have to say.

Post: #29

(02-02-2016 04:04 PM)Noir Wrote:  What is the difference between the tiny minority of girls you bang and the majority that is rejecting you, in real life? (online : 70% looks 30% being close enough and no red flags)

Honestly, I don't have a good answer to this question. It all seems random.

I could replicate my actions, down to eye contact, the way I dress, talk and touch, in the same venue, down to the smallest detail with girl A and girl B, and get completely different results.

Post: #30

(02-02-2016 04:04 PM)Noir Wrote:  All that people harp on about on this forum essentially boils down to getting your status to the level where women assume (keyword) you are in the elite 10%.

Hence faking it till you making it etc.

Social media especially makes it more difficult.

If you're in the 10% then it's the 'secret' you two share and this little thing can differentiate you more than anything else.

You're the guy who gets it.

You're the guy who she will rationalize it later as 'it just happened'.

If you read game around 2004 - 2007 then these concepts are the fundamentals as it's purely game stuff and the nature of women.

Being vouched for and more importantly, knowing when to let her 'vouch' for you in her mind or getting her to at the very least.

Seen this first hand. Every now and then when I hang out with dudes that seem high status or are actually making moves girls will just fall in their lap. No real game needed. They put out the vibe, suited up, not thirsty, it just flows. Sometimes if I'm there, I dress the part, and i'm cool with a lot of the guys they vouch for me and I can snag a girl.

Used to date this chick whose room mate was a cocktail waitress. Her room mate and circle of friends would regularly hook up with high status dudes on a weekly basis. You had to be high status or perceived to be of status. The girls rarely caught feelings and the guys wouldn't keep them around much but to fuck occasionally. They were all cool with it, like a slam circle, but nobody really talked about it.

I think it has a lot to do with the city you live in too. Here bottle service and money is the status. If you lived in LA actors and directors would probably be in that secret club. In NY I imagine its Wall street type and bankers.

Could also work on smaller scale if you're on top of your social circle or frat.

Post: #31

Gio's onto something with the non-verbal communication. I've occasionally been admitted. It's always when I've been in a good spot in my life and totally carefree. Girls can sense that fun vibe and will go along with just about anything when it all falls into place.

Post: #32

(02-02-2016 08:55 PM)xxMarco Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 04:04 PM)Noir Wrote:  All that people harp on about on this forum essentially boils down to getting your status to the level where women assume (keyword) you are in the elite 10%.

Hence faking it till you making it etc.

Social media especially makes it more difficult.

If you're in the 10% then it's the 'secret' you two share and this little thing can differentiate you more than anything else.

You're the guy who gets it.

You're the guy who she will rationalize it later as 'it just happened'.

If you read game around 2004 - 2007 then these concepts are the fundamentals as it's purely game stuff and the nature of women.

Being vouched for and more importantly, knowing when to let her 'vouch' for you in her mind or getting her to at the very least.

Seen this first hand. Every now and then when I hang out with dudes that seem high status or are actually making moves girls will just fall in their lap. No real game needed. They put out the vibe, suited up, not thirsty, it just flows. Sometimes if I'm there, I dress the part, and i'm cool with a lot of the guys they vouch for me and I can snag a girl.

Used to date this chick whose room mate was a cocktail waitress. Her room mate and circle of friends would regularly hook up with high status dudes on a weekly basis. You had to be high status or perceived to be of status. The girls rarely caught feelings and the guys wouldn't keep them around much but to fuck occasionally. They were all cool with it, like a slam circle, but nobody really talked about it.

I think it has a lot to do with the city you live in too. Here bottle service and money is the status. If you lived in LA actors and directors would probably be in that secret club. In NY I imagine its Wall street type and bankers.

Could also work on smaller scale if you're on top of your social circle or frat.

It's not about status. These same girls will probably fuck anybody, somebody they don't even like that much and that has no status, if that person can give them a bit of charm and engineer a situation where nobody will find out and they won't be judged. Seen it too many times to mention.

Post: #33

The entire, original Tyler Duden post. I cut/pasted it from https://www.reddit.com/r/PUApolyamory/co...masf_post/ so the typos are included.

Subject: The Secret Society
Date: October 30th, 2003 10:36:00 PM (EDT)
Group: alt.seduction.fast.advanced
Author: TylerDurden
Email/Info: <mASF profile>

Many guys will dislike this, because it implies that women are sluts and untrustworthy. Well, I can only speak from my experience and report back what I've seen. I'm also posting in a semi-satirical tone - I haven't gone off the deepend..... yet...

A secret society exists. Around 52% of people on this earth are a part of it.
Of that 52%, 50% are women, 2% are men.
Of that 2%, 1% of those men are gay, the other 1% are players.

What I'm talking about is the sex secret society - and you are either IN or OUT.

SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:

1) Don't talk about the secret society.

2) The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.

3) Create shrowds around the secret society, like "all men are dogs". Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.

4) If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.

5) If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.

6) Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.

7) At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.

It's OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. "It doesn't count".

9) Nobody judges eachother in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT in the secret society are aware of.

10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off. Conversely, if a secret society male is with a non-secret-society male, and a secret society female (all females) decides she wants sex from the secret society male, the friend of the female may have sex with the non-secret-society male, because EVERYONE in the interaction must feel good. However, if the non-secret-society male is blowing himself out so badly that he makes the female member feel very bad emotions, then the secret-society-male must face the consequences of bringing negative emotions into the equation, and lose out on his privilege for sex in that interaction, until he ditches the non-secret-society male. Bear minimum requirements for non-secret-society males being grandfathered in with the male member, is that he not qualify himself or make anyone feel uncomfortable. Failing to meet those requirements, both are blown out.

WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?

Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:

1) Their own sexual needs.

2) The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.

3) The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible ("players").
The secret society is what allows women to appear wholesome and allows them to screen for a long term provider/emotionaltampon.

Women hold off to find the perfect boyfriend, while sleeping with a guy who is likely sleeping with all of their friends, and their friends friends.

They also fuck their gay boyfriends or jerk them off or give them head. They're part of the secret society too, so they can't be left out.

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM SECRET SOCIETY INSIDERS (based on dozens of interviews I did over the summer, with girls in London England, as well as some from my own experience as a player):

1) If you tell a girl that you're gay, and that you want to "see what it feels like to be with a girl", she'll sleep with you. She won't insist on using a condom either, unless you do. You're part of the secret society, where condoms aren't necessary because they are logical entities and not emotionally relevant.

2) If you subcommunicate that you are a part of the secret society, and tell the friend of your target "I'm really lonely. My girlfriend cheated on me, and I need to re-validate myself tonight", she'll tell her friend to fuck you. Her friend will realize from this that you are a part of the secret society, and she'll fuck you. Moreover, if the friend refuses, the ugly girl will offer you a blowjob to help you out.

3) If you manage to verbally subcommunicate that you are a member (its still subcommunication, because the verbal ways you communicate it aren't direct at all), the secret society members will gladly tell you all about their sexual exploits and adventures. As soon as you subcommunicate that you desire romance, she will immediately retract all of her previous statements (and she'll look completely congruent doing so), and downplay them that it was something she did just one time and that she's looking for a relationship. PUA: "I love to go out and hook up. I hate it when girls try to run my life".. HB: "Me too.. I hooked up with guys all last year.. My boyfriend tried to control me, but I do what I want.. My girlfriends all do it too." PUA: "Really? Cause to be honest, I've always felt like I'm a romantic guy.. And girls always cheat on me.. I want to find a girl who won't cheat." HB: "I would never cheat. Guys are dogs. I'm always loyal." PUA: "But didn't you say..." HB: "No, I said nothing." PUA: "No, you said that you don't let your boyfriend control you and you do what you want." HB: "No, I didn't mean that. I'm not a slut. I have no idea what you're talking about, I didn't say that."

4) If you are a member, and say that you are really lonely and you need someone to snuggle and makeout with, all members of the secret society will agree to do so with you. If you are a girl, you have privilege to snuggle and kiss and sleep in the same bed as all other girls. If you are gay, you can do the same. If it escalates to sex, its an accident and does not count. If you're a player, and you make girls around you emotional, and the friends are all in good emotions about it, they sleep with you. No one is a slut in the secret society, because the secret society does not judge.

5) If a group of girls living together find a guy who is in the secret society, they will all fuck him. They'll recommend him as an honourary secret society member, and enjoy him. Meanwhile they may be in relationships with non-secret society members that they've fallen in love with, however this is not an issue because nobody in the secret society judges and sex with people in the secret society does not count. If you are a secret society member now, but in the past enjoyed a romantic relationship, what you may not realize is the part that was left out of the romance novel story (due to rules no1&2 of the secret society code), which was that after you dropped her off your romantic star watching, a secret society member came by and fucked the shit out of her without a condom and gave her the money shot all over her face.

6) If a secret society male has a non member male friend, the friend of the girl who wants sex from the male member will have sex with the non-member even if she doesn't like him. However, rules state that if if the non-member is "creepy/scary" (kinos too much, leans in too much, asks dumb questions, tries too hard to impress, overqualifies), then the male member will be expected to return either alone or with another male member. Also, the male members must remember that positive emotions are always priority, and if he is alone he must still maintain the positive emotions of the female member who will not be getting sex, secret society rules not to be breached. Number 1 rule of the secret society, outside of not talking about it, is that EVERYONE maintains GOOD emotions.

THE UNDERLYING MISUNDERSTOOD TRUTH OF THE
SECRET SOCIETY:

The 49% of men who live outside of the secret society don't understand the mental model of attraction of people who are in the secret society.

Men view attraction in their MALE MENTAL MODELS. They believe that attraction is "sexual aggression". They understand attraction as having a physical urge to have sex, and then mentally deciding that you will go after it.

They try to seduce women by touching and grabbing them, and getting them very horny. They try to seduce them in the SAME WAY that a woman would do well seducing THEM. They try to seduce them as if they were seducing a GUY. This sometimes works, and the propaganda is spread - "this is how to get chicks".

Secret society members will not fill them in, due to breach of the code.

What the secret society members are not telling you, is that they understand that most sex occurs when women are not sexually AGGRESSIVE, but sexually RECEPTIVE.
They understand that for women to be ready for sex, they need not feel horny, they need only feel EMOTIONAL.

They understand that women are not logical, and that they are emotional. They understand that for women sex is not a big deal at all, and that its their LOGIC that puts the breaks on it.

They understand that most women are afraid of sex because they lack TRUST, and because their LOGIC is putting on the breaks.

They disarm logic by making the women EMOTIONAL, so that their LOGIC (which is the BREAKS of emotion) becomes disarmed, and at the same time maintain TRUST, so that the emotions generated won't be interfered with.

Then they simply have sex, because although the women are not WANTING sex, they are too EMOTIONAL to DECLINE sex. Then, once they BEGIN to have a physical interaction, the women become horny and sexually aggressive as a result, and sex begins.

(NOTE: This is why girls must COCKBLOCK for eachother. Because they know that clubs are emotionally charged environments, and that it wouldn't take much for a guy to use her resulting sexual receptiveness to lay her. The guy may not be a guy that the girl would lay normally, were she feeling more logical, so the girls must look out for eachother. Guys don't need to do this because firstly, they will not be judged for sleeping around (no logic), secondly, they are sexually aggressive - not receptive - so their decisions will not be regretted later usually, and thirdly, because they do not need trust because they are not usually in any physical danger).

They also understand that value + trust + attraction = sex (rough lazy model).

Value = being someone in the secret society (it can also be SO many other things, but being a member can in some cases be sufficient)

Trust = not telegraphing interest

Attraction = increasing her buying temperature by making her emotional (emotionally aroused, not necessarily physically aroused.. the former will cause her to be too illogical to prevent you from causing the latter, when she's ready)

Don't tell anyone about this. All knowledge will be denied and you will be ridiculed.

-TD

PS:
What we learn from the gay shit, is that girls get attracted when:

-gays won't judge them for their actions (gay guys are like "you're such a sexy sluuut! The only bigger slut than you is ME!! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT!"

No judgement or expectations = sexual freedom.

-gays don't make them feel like if they go all girly-girl emotional, that they'll be taken advantage of. "Around gay guys I can go crazy, and they won't force me to do something if I don't want to do it"

That does NOT mean act gay (although I've tested it and laid girls with it, when I first found out about this stuff, but its not the most efficient). The BETTER gameplan is to take on the stuff about their personas (the stuff above), to telegraph that you're a secret society member. A PLAYER.

Secret Society membership is telegraphed by hundreds of bodylanguage/tonality/verbal/action subcommunications. Hence why some girls react well to some guys immediately, and cold to other guys, even though the guy they act cold to might be much better looking.

The point is that good players have the same sorts of attitudes. Girls shit test guys by touching them to see if he will try to jump on it. There's so many reasons for this, but amongst them is that she's trying to see if she gets emotional around you if she can lay you on HER buying temperature schedule, or if you'll try to impose YOURS.
For players like us, our role is to fuck these girls while they wait to find a suitable boyfriend. Any attempt to be the boyfriend will make her stop sleeping with you. Trust me, its happened to me MANY times. I'll meet a great girl, use the ASF style stuff to get her into bed, but as soon as I act like her boyfriend at all she dumps me on the spot.

But if I just keep the "don't give a shit" persona, then she'll chase me for more sex. But at the same time, many of my GFs go out and get boyfriends, and they don't expect or even think I'll be upset whatsoever.
I know that Style (CPowles) wrote the same thing in a recent interview. He has many girlfriends all over the world. Obviously most have boyfriends, but because he's an honourary secret society member, they will fuck him when he comes into town.

IT DOESN'T COUNT.
-TD

Post: #34

(01-31-2016 11:00 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  How do you guys healthily deal with this reality?

The only healthy way to deal with reality is to ACCEPT reality for what it is.

You are fighting against reality.

You want the world to be a certain way, your way.

If the world does not fit into your personal worldview, you get mad.

That is blue pill thinking.

Red pill means truth.

Right now, you can not handle the truth.

(01-31-2016 11:00 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  pretend to be non-judgmental

Why do you have to pretend to be non-judgmental?

Why can't you be authentically non-judgmental?

Why do you feel that you need to "judge".

(01-31-2016 11:00 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  Anyone else deal with or overcome these kinda feelings?

I was once a little uneasy about female sexuality.

But, I easily overcame my negative feelings..

How?

EDUCATION!

I educated myself on basic biology, basic organic chemistry, human psychology, history, anthropology, art, sexuality, theology, etc.

I learned that sex is a normal function of human life. Sex is 100% natural and normal.

There is no reason to get upset over sex.

Females enjoy sex because if they didn't, LIFE WOULD CEASE TO EXIST.

Females enjoying sex is a fundamental part of human existence.

It's all based in evolution and survival of the fittest.

It's nothing to get mad about.

--

*Note to Mr. Pink -- Please dont take any of this personally. I am not challenging you on a personal level. I am just debating these issues which are interesting to me. I'm curious to hear your response. My views are not set in stone. I am open to change and adjusting my views. I consider this intellectual recreational/stimulation. I consider this a gentlemanly discussion.

--

I want to write more on this topic as I have been studying it and trying to learn it for the past 7 years.

I'm going to breakdown some more of the non verbal communication and other points from the original article.

Right now, I have to go workout. Being a fit, strong, muscular, aggressive, young male is a crucial part of my "membership" into this world.

My appearance communicates power, playfulness, sex, and NON-JUDGEMENT.

Girls can see that. I don't have to say a word about it.

Post: #35

An interesting aspect of the secret society is the dynamic that plays out between mother, father and daughter. Dad tries to control the daughter’s hypergamy fueled impulses, while Mom comes to daughter’s defense. Its usually the father saying “you can’t wear that; don’t stay out late;” etc. Meanwhile, Mom is either explicitly or implicitly undercutting the father’s guidance and framing Dad as “extreme.” I’ve seen it time and time again. The secret society protects its own.

Post: #36

The west sounds like a fucked up place, where I live if the girl dress a little too revealing, the mother usually will call her out says she dress like a whore.

Post: #37

(02-03-2016 04:37 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  My appearance communicates power, playfulness, sex, and NON-JUDGEMENT.

Girls can see that. I don't have to say a word about it.

Can't wait to read more of your thoughts on this. Especially on how one can communicate non-judgement through looks and behavior.

Post: #38

(02-03-2016 07:20 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:37 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  My appearance communicates power, playfulness, sex, and NON-JUDGEMENT.

Girls can see that. I don't have to say a word about it.

Can't wait to read more of your thoughts on this. Especially on how one can communicate non-judgement through looks and behavior.

Agreed. I am interested to hear your perspective regarding it.

Post: #39

(02-03-2016 04:37 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  snip

No offense taken whatsoever. I'm a brand new poster, there are definitely hints of bitterness in my original post, and I didn't clearly express my thoughts and worldview. No surprise at all that it reeks of blue pill thinking; let me try and clear it up.

It's not female sexuality that I'm judging. Men and women are both sexual beings and always have been. Hell, the levels of physical AND emotional pleasure a woman can potentially get from sex far exceed what a man can. The reality that I'm having trouble coming to terms with and am sincerely trying to get over is that the current sexual climate and educational system is basically a meat-grinder; young, pleasant, wide-eyed girls go in one end and jaded professional mass consumers come out the other. Sex for a woman went from being a key component of pair-bonding and powerful emotional connection to just another source of quick stimulation/validation that she can pursue indiscriminately, not unlike buying a new pair of shoes or uploading a random picture of herself to the internet and getting 300 likes.

Again, for the player lifestyle, this is all just peachy. There is no question that a man with game that has his shit together can clean up, not only in the west but anywhere in the world. In fact I can't wait to hear what you have to say about giving off a more playful vibe so that I can work it into my own game as I'm a young guy and have a ton of room for improvement. My relations with women for the next decade isn't at all what concerns me, it's the next phase of my life that does.

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts on this Gio; let's say you've reached a point in life where you're ready to start your family. What are you looking for when you're vetting a potential mother of your children? Does the fact that she's been fucked repeatedly in every orifice, tied up, choked, and had her face glazed by countless dudes before ever meeting you bother you? This would obviously apply to 90+ percent of sexually attractive college graduates in the Western world. Is it just not a big deal anymore? Was it ever a big deal? Again, I'm not AT ALL suggesting that there is something wrong with any of those behaviors and I look forward to doing all kinds of depraved shit with my future "end-game" LTR. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that girls doing this casually, indiscriminately, and with several to dozens of partners is not only socially accepted but actively encouraged and that there are hordes of men anxiously waiting to wife these girls up.

Post: #40

I read that post when it first came out [10 yrs ago?], and I honestly didn't believe it for a second. Not at all

Through Game, I have since developed enough awareness that I finally got entry into the Secret Society a few years ago. Hot coeds who would ask to blow me in the bathroom at a restaurant or in the car on our 2nd date, because they saw me as a high-status alpha. Fit women who would beg me to tie them up, spank them, gag them, and cum on their face - and take photos! The ability to get a Yes girl back to my apt in 10 minutes, even at lunchtime. I never thought a hot teenage stripper would take me back to her place after work for all night dirty sex until it happened.

It's all about having that high SMV, assuming sex is no big deal, and being totally non-judgemental about it at all times.

The hard part for me still is being on date with a hot girl and she starts talking about anal - which means she wants it later - and acting like it's no big deal without giving off any reaction. If you hesitate for more than 2 seconds or reply like a thirsty beta they know you're not in the Secret Society and will dismiss you. I've messed that up at least once.

Like WIA said, once you can act like you're already in you'll be amazed by the kinky shit girls will tell you -- they love not just being spanked but being flogged. How a plate needs to be hit and whipped with a belt, use hot wax, can't get off unless you leave marks all over her. How they can't find a guy who'll slap them in the face, verbally degrade them and then piss on their face afterwards. Or want to play with anal hooks and electricity. Or ask you to bring another girl in and go ass to mouth on both so your plate can watch also.

And not a single one of them acts like it's a big deal.

Post: #41

When Gio and WIA communicate what they have to say on this topic, I understand it completely.

However, I would caution that guys who aren't up on that level yet not mindfuck themselves with this kind of shit.

It shouldn't be a surprise that guys who are above average in some areas of physical appearance, personality, financial status, etc. are able to navigate through a variety of circles of women and begin physical and personal relationships with them.

The 2% number can be confusing because ultimately, who are you talking about within that 2%?

Every guy who's getting laid doesn't match the above average description above, but the ones who do, get the hottest ass, bottom line. That doesn't change the fact that some average guys, and even below average guys, are swimming in pussy in their circles.

I don't put extras on getting pussy because at the end of the day, everybody wants to fuck.

Women know that they can have any combination of undesirable traits, and yet they can still make someone's dick hard.

That's why women post pictures on social media sites.

It doesn't matter where she is on the attractiveness spectrum, someone will still say she is "beautiful".

That doesn't do much for her mentally, because it doesn't matter what you think of a woman's appearance, she has to believe it for herself.

Yet, it's still verification that if she wants to have sex, she can have it.

And yes, even the haggard ones still want to get fucked.

A lot of those women won't be approached in broad daylight, which is why they have to depend on online connections and proximity where it's easier for a man to go after some pussy that he doesn't want the world to know that he wants.

Unfortunately, a lot of guys, especially guys who try to learn game and PUA shit, are doing so because they want to punch above their weight.

I live in a city that's rather harsh. If you're a 4 here, you will have to give attractive women money to get any attention from them whatsoever. Most guys of that level will have to enlist strippers/prostitutes to get their above average bangs.

If they're cool with that, good for them.

That doesn't change the reality that if they did want sex, there are women on their level that they could get, who also aren't being regularly propositioned by people they actually know.

I'm completely non-judgmental about people's sex lives, because I'm not privy to their circumstances.

Where I'm at, a lot of people are cheating on the other person in their lives.

You have to understand that it behooves women to be in relationships, especially in big cities, because it's easier for them to be comfortable. They can depend on someone else's income to help them eat, live, etc.

Those are relationships of convenience.

They're not in love, but they'll use one guy for comfort reasons, give him a little play to keep him on the hook, yet they'll find the sex they really want from someone else.

A lot of people, men and women, are in sexless relationships. They're just not fucking, for a variety of reasons, and who cares what they are.

If your woman isn't fucking you, then you have the right to have sex with someone else.

If you're not fucking your woman, then you can't be surprised if you ever find out that she's fucking someone else, and you don't even have to find out, if your chick is even a decent level of attractiveness, someone is trying to fuck her, and if it's the right guy, she will do it.

This is a great topic, but again, don't mindfuck yourself when it comes to getting pussy.

The main reason some guys get more pussy than others is because their desire to fuck is stronger than their desire to avoid rejection.

Most guys will talk themselves out of the game before it even begins because they don't have any confidence. The reason they don't is because they're all in their shortcomings: overweight, broke, etc.

Every 6'4 guy who's in the gym, has money, and dresses well, doesn't have women throwing themselves at his feet.

If he doesn't approach, more often than not, he still goes home in the Benz alone.

Post: #42

(01-31-2016 11:00 PM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  How do you guys healthily deal with this reality? At first it was easy for me to play it cool and pretend to be nonjudgemental, especially when I was the one benefitting from it e.g. Vicky the cheerleader telling me how much she loves her boyfriend literally minutes after licking my dick clean in my dad's Camry or listening to my teammate bang out a girl in the other room a few short minutes after her boyfriend left the house party. But constantly seeing this shit for almost a decade has admittedly gotten me more and more jaded to the point where I can't even convincingly hide my disgust anymore.

These days just being around women puts me in a bad mood and I have an asexual vibe in day to day life with the exception being of course when it's time to get laid. That's when I temporarily put on my sexual, nonjudgmental, playful mask and go to work. It never lasts long though and women being pretty damn emotionally perceptive can sense my antipathy that inevitably leaks out shortly after the bang.

I mean, I definitely have a strong desire to start a stable, healthy family with 4+ kids later in life but that's no reason for me not to be able to truly enjoy the party like everyone else. Anyone else deal with or overcome these kinda feelings?

It's very simple Mr. Pink.

Unless you've taken her virginity, the odds of a girl being faithful to you are very, very low. And even then, virginity is not a guarantee.

If you want to have kids, remember, the odds are low you'll do it with a faithful woman. It's more important to find a woman who is somewhat reliable as a mother instead, and will let you be a father somewhat as well. That's about the most men can ask for nowadays, unless you can strike jackpot with a virgin.

As for being in a bad mood with these sluts - I once felt that way, but nowadays I just feel pity for these miserable creatures.

The turning point for me was when a married woman fucked me right outside of her husband's apartment, and didn't tell me she was married until my dick was inches before her vag.

After blowing my load inside of her, I asked, "Are you happy?" She just shrugged and said, "I don't know." Women today are totally lost, so I can't really feel any hatred for them.

This society is almost certainly going to die a horrible death due to its mismanagement of the female resource, but that isn't a reason to hate anyone for it. We can be angry more at our ancestors who gave women the right to vote. Those manginas doomed us all.

Post: #43

(02-07-2016 11:51 PM)Samseau Wrote:  If you want to have kids, remember, the odds are low you'll do it with a faithful woman. It's more important to find a woman who is somewhat reliable as a mother instead, and will let you be a father somewhat as well. That's about the most men can ask for nowadays, unless you can strike jackpot with a virgin.

As for being in a bad mood with these sluts - I once felt that way, but nowadays I just feel pity for these miserable creatures.

Depressing as fuck but guess all I can do at this point is figure out a way to not let it affect my mood. Older guys can get away with a more "serious" game but a brooding babyface is grade A pussy repellent.

Post: #44

Jariel started to put this thread back on its track, let's continue, I wanna know more about what some of you guys think:

The main question, because only a chosen few seem to be part of this life, is "Is the SS only about sex or is it ensuing from some type of lifestyle" ?

Post: #45

jariel Wrote:Every 6'4 guy who's in the gym, has money, and dresses well, doesn't have women throwing themselves at his feet.

If he doesn't approach, more often than not, he still goes home in the Benz alone.

This.

The original article was written to illustrate a real point, but was also satirical (!!)

The truth is that, as a man, you have to lead, wherever you are on the scale. No matter how attractive you may be, women don't just drop on your dick. Heck Leo DiCaprio even has to spit a little and lead to get his models. But that's fame game anyway so I digress.

The point is, you can "tick the boxes" for a "member", but if you don't approach, more often than not, you still go home alone.

In certain parts of SEA the "WGF" is a very real phenomenon. That's the closest thing to being Leo I can think of, in that the girls only have to be led to the extent that one of those guys on the runway guides the plane in to land. For the top 2% of men or whatever, there are many nights when they strike out. This is completely normal.

I think people take that old article far too literally. If you read it like that, you start to get paranoid, hateful and bitter. I get it sometimes as well. When you hate women, it can either be a good or a bad thing for your results. When it seeps out of you in the form of outright disgust and bitterness, not good. There is no outright conspiracy amongst all women to only allocate sex to the top few %. It's just something that happens to occur regularly enough for a pattern to emerge.

I agree that more often than not long-term boyfriends are convenience boyfriends. Women are too weak and fearful of life on their own and too scared of the uncertainty a top shelf man would give her on a daily basis that they go for what they are comfortable and familiar with. I've met women and had frank conversations with them about their relationships, and they admit they have cheated on him numerous times, but there is no passion so they sought it elsewhere. I say to such girls if she were my girlfriend and cheated so much as once, I would drop kick her to Mars. But I also say that I understand, because I do. How do you feel when you have had sex with the same girl 100 times? You want some new strange.

It's also worth noting that the women you get to cheat, are the ones who would cheat. An obvious statement but it highlights the selection bias. Some girls are not open to getting to know a new man (unless he's Leo or someone like that) at the time you try, so you get shot down.

There are downsides to being the person another man's girlfriend cheats on him with. I start to feel like some kind of dirty trick. I have also felt used. I meet a girl who seems sweet enough and hot enough to at least put in my rotation but after the bang I ring her and she is with her BF. I have gotten abuse from butthurt boyfriends the day after I ejaculated into his girlfriend. It's messed up. Sometimes I work hard to bed one girl and all I get is that one time because I am not the stable, long-term BF, just a dirty degenerate who satisfies a girl's desires for one night before she goes back to her "normal life" the next morning. The original article assumes that all male "members" are treated very, very well, but this is not always the case.

That article is something I actually wouldn't want some wide-eyed newbie to read. Depression, paranoia, disillusionment, hatred, and so much more, all distinct possibilities not conducive to improving your life.

Post: #46

I think the really interesting skill is learning how to communicate high-status. My mom is always eagerly trying to make everyone happy - which is admirable - but it's an irritating trait - when you try to earn approval by giving it.

On the other hand, I recall that "how to talk like a man" video someone shared in another thread. In that video, the speaker gives an example of how he judo'd some guy trying to AMOG him by just lavishing excessive praise on him. This neurtalized the AMOG'er and earned the speaker points with the other women in the group.

I guess the difference is subtle, but must be something like giving approval in order to earn it is transparent. It's clear you want something from the interaction, and this undermines trust in your leadership skills. Authenticity and candor are more valued than flattery. At the same time, being generous and authentic in your praise earns you points, because authentic praise is given without expecting anything in return.

I'm sure Dale Carnegie must've written about this

Post: #47

Forgive my ignorance, but as a newbie how would I transition this mindset into my practical interactions with women?

Is it simply a case of 'as you think you shall become' and provided you demonstrate high value (non-verbally) the rest falls into line?
OR
Are there certain actions or words you would do/say at certain points during a date/interaction which help trigger this?

Post: #48

(02-08-2016 08:09 PM)Taco Illusionist Wrote:  Forgive my ignorance, but as a newbie how would I transition this mindset into my practical interactions with women?

Is it simply a case of 'as you think you shall become' and provided you demonstrate high value (non-verbally) the rest falls into line?
OR
Are there certain actions or words you would do/say at certain points during a date/interaction which help trigger this?

It seem to be a mindset, you can mix with everyone, talking about anything, sending a vibe that make dudes think it's just chit chat but you communicate with women on an other level.
The article, cited in Kwisatz's post, mentioned "people servicing each others" without the majority having even a clue.




If you've seen the movie you know what's next...

YaReally also talk a little about it...

YaReally Wrote:“How do you know if your shnookum wookums is doing that?”

I can’t tell you how to know but I can tell you why most guys WOULDN’T know: judgement.

When you’re with a significant other that you hope to secure a future, family, home, etc with you don’t want to scare them off. So girls will tone down their kinky desires because a lot of guys are prudish and lame and will judge them for saying Olivia Munn shit. Cause if they weird the guy out, he leaves and they just lost a perfect white-pickett future.

So they’ll sit there with a bunch of fucked up twisted My Secret Garden fantasies they think about during sex/masturbating but never get to really live them out.

Then along comes an alpha guy with game who’s just a fling. There’s no consequence to weirding him out so if he has tight sexual game and knows how to read what type of girl she is and get her sexting about her fantasies, and he gives off a clear non-judgmental vibe where she feels she can tell him anything and he wont think she’s a slut or freak, she’ll let it all hang out because it’s a safe space.

This is why my experiences tend to be a lot more fucked up than other guys who get laid a lot. A lot of naturals are just “I banged her doggy style man it was awesome” or don’t care about getting her off. I’m very specifically digging into the depths of her sexual nature and desires and helping her live out a lot of her fantasies society has made her feel ashamed of having.

The end result is her BF gets the “miss you babe I’ll be home soon xoxoxo” txts and I get the Olivia Munn stuff from the same girl. The BF will never ever ever know what his girl is truly like deep down, the way I do.

It’s like the Joker in Batman Begins when he talks about killing the cops with a knife and how in their final moments they show you who they really are so in a way he knows them better than their friends.

Part of why girls come back to me over and over and generally don’t sleep around once we’ve started hooking up is because they know its rare for a guy to be able to show them the sexual world I show them and once they’ve opened up those twisted dark parts of their mind they’ve been so scared to share with anyone, it’s such a relief that they don’t want to fuck things up with me because to get that amazing sex they crave they’d have to go through that scary confession stage again with another guy who might not be so tolerant of her kinks.

In the girls defense, they often legitimately love their man and really do want a future with him. They just aren’t sexually satisfied and don’t know how to bring the subject up with their S.O. or they’ve tried and have been snubbed or they’re just too scared to admit it to ANYONE (sometimes even themselves)…so they’re just taking care of the need on the side.

I could easily say “I’m now in love with you lets go to dinner” and give off enough provider vibe to make them leave their man but I don’t want that, I just want the sex. I like when they just come over in a sexy outfit, we fuck for a few hours, and she goes home. No date/couple stuff (I have a main girl for that).

So I’ll specifically say “you better not fall in love with me. This is sex only. If you break up with your guy you will never hear from me again.” and snuff that out every now and then. Keep my txting to only sexual conversations, no talking about how her day at work was or friends bullshit, and only see her max once a week and irregularly so I’m never a sure thing she can feel like she can rely on.

Post: #49

Update:

First time I've been exposed to the Game community, it was by a guy my age who was constantly fucking married women and what not but the most interesting was that none of them asked him exclusivity and they were offering him present and trips...

"What a Sweet life!" I said to myself so I asked him for advices and the only thing he told me was "to bring fun & good vibe" and that things will almost take care of themselves.

Being logical to the bone, for me bringing good vibes was bringing value to the discussion, informations and solutions to problems.
I had no clue but I tried to implement it with no success whatsoever.

Digging into the "Game community Archives", a lot of subject are touched but the Core of what is said here have been covered years ago.

(01-31-2016 04:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  A lot of you guys haven't been doing this for a long time.
Here's a quick remind of what it is.
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"WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?

Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:

1) Their own sexual needs.
2) The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.
3) The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible (“players”)."
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[...]

WIA

The following rules are the basics of what is needed to get access:

Quote:SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:

1) Don’t talk about the secret society.
2) The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.
3) Create shrowds around the secret society, like “all men are dogs”. Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.
4) If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.
5) If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.
6) Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.
7) At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.
8 It’s OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. “It doesn’t count”.
9) Nobody judges each other in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT in the secret society are aware of.
10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off.

This lifestyle have already been touched in here and the mindset ensuing is a life change in itself:

(01-28-2012 03:37 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  OF COURSE they want to be approached but we men are the dumb ones almost like babies with no self control...

The woman's world is abit more sad than men IMO because its almost as if they are in a "Resident Evil" or "Night Of The Living Dead" where its almost impossible to find another survivor. All day its abunch of zombies all TRYING to get her and she's waiting for the possibility of a human to land the helicopter and save her...
[...]

I've declared women's lives as being boring and there social/sex life is very limited which makes things even more complicated. Why do I say this...
- Go to a club EARLY and watch all women walk in looking around and then sitting/waiting around for a fucking nuke to finally change there life.
- How much options does a woman really have? Which of the zombies surrounding her will she allow to bite her?
- How many women with boyfriends/husbands ended up cheating due to the most basic circumstances?
- How is it the women you fool around with and bang always seems like there whole life has changed drastically now that she knows you? Next time your on a 2day hibernation with a chick think about what the hell she was doing before you came into the picture...At starbucks? Weekly pilates?

The thing is, I've noticed all women from an unattractive chick to a gorgeous model hired for fashion week runway all were fascinated by how I lived.
[...]

In this context you get benefits from hypergamy, you can't be upset about "women fucking everyone but you" anymore but the harder part is to make the change.

Bring the fun & the good vibes, the rest will take care of itself...

Post: #50

I have a question to you guys about good vibes. What kind of mindset are you in when you put off good vibes?

From my experience, the only time I know for a fact I was just radiating good vibes was at Coachella, but it was mostly as a result of the environment where it's practically impossible to have bad vibes.

Basically I want to more easily enter this state of radiating positive emotion where you just want to go and shake every person's hand and meet them, find out where they're from with a giant grin. Sure it was made easier because of various intoxicants, but people were not intoxicated 24/7, and the positive auras were on 24/7.

How do you have this state without the environment around you influencing you? Does it just come naturally from being a happy and satisfied person? I.e. good health, sexually active, successful career/moneymaking prospects etc?

My entire life I've been a pretty sarcastic person, and I consider myself to be funny, but it's certainly a darker humor that I know puts some people off (girls...). I feel like transitioning to a positive humor would also affect the vibes I put off.