Post: #51

Latest date, glad to say it wasn't off Tinder or any other OLD, just good old fashioned in person game.

Long story short, I was asked to give an interview workshop, and we later broke into smaller groups, one of which I led. I notice this really cute brunette with big eyes and a nice face is in my group. As she's jotting down notes she looks up and I catch her eyes.

Big point gained. I didn't dart away, but instead held it with a smirk and slightly lowered eyelids. She smiles and looks down again.

After the session, I approach her, since she's talking with a group of other girls, it's natural to give her my number for the purpose of "more practice", etc.

Hit her up for drinks. Man oh man does this girl test my patience. She often will go for an entire day without responding to my texts.

Big point gained. Only once did I have to text her twice in a row, and a few hours apart at that, to get her to respond. Otherwise, I stayed the course and waited till she responded.

Finally get her out for dinner. Nice conversation, this is really where I started to pick the flow back up after a long break, we're vibing well. It's noted as important that you should avoid simply agreeing and nodding eagerly with everything that she says like "Oh I like Chobani too" in a chode manner. Rather, I've finally begun to develop the kind of lifestyle and ambition many of this chicks dream of living, thanks to game and the forum.

I mean travelling, seeing the world, great experiences, really living, exploring, and having an steadfast resolve to do so, not like their flaky ass friends who cancelled last minute on their Cancun spring break plans or whatever. I'm finally getting to a point where the girls are nodding along to me, jumping in with how that's the life they'd like to live too.

Bounce to a drugstore so she can get makeup (lol), establish touch, around her waist, fiddling with her hair while she compares tones. Bounce to a cupcake place, her choice, but I went along with it because she was literally offering to venue bounce and build comfort for me, and I'm not turning that down. Take her hand; going well.

We get her a cupcake, and I take her down by a dimly lit waterway, because it's just off of the cupcake place, she frets about the mud, and I tell her she'll be fine. Get to the stairs back up, pull her to me and go for the kiss. Responds well and eagerly. Things are looking very solid now. She tells me straight up- all the guys I know are too stuck up, you're the first one to make me feel like I can be myself.

And this is where I mess up. This one aspect is probably the single biggest obstacle keeping me from advancing to a higher level. I make some offhand comment, which I don't recall anymore, and she makes a sex joke out of it. I was unable to project non-judgment well enough, as per the secret society thread, and she nervously laughs.

Went very slowly downhill from there. She is no longer interested in holding hands, and at the end of it tells me she wants to take it slow. I will crosspost this to the secret society thread for advice as well.

Post: #52

I really like this topic and find it enlightening and informative, especially when it's talked about less cryptically in the satire form like TD did. (I always found this annoying about his work).

I'd really like to do some more outside reading on this topic, but in a vein similar to the yaReally post in the previous page (which I really liked), the Johnny soporno stuff, WIA and DL's zombie post.

If anyone knows links to SS related articles, it would be appreciated. When I search the topic on google for instance, It seems to come back to the same 3 pages, one of which is the original post. I want to read more actual debate,discussion and examples about the topic from people other than sociopathic coke-addled TD. Shit we should have a thread just for outrageous examples of secret society shit in our lives, but that basically describes the entire +notch thread I guess.

Post: #53

(02-02-2016 04:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I recently became a "member".

It just happemed in the last 6 months or so..

It took me about 7 years of trying.

--

I first read that "secret society' post about 5 years ago.

I didn't understand it.. I didn't get it.. I didn't know what it meant..

Now, I understand..

Girls are looking at me different now -- They don't look at me like I'm a threat -- They greet meet with a coy smile, smirk, or flirtatious grin. They don't see me as a predator -- They see me as a friend.

It's all communicated non verbally.

They can tell that I fuck girls.

The way I present myself, the way I carry myself -- It's all rooted in sexuality.

I speak to them softly and sensually. They reciprocate.

I stay masculine. They stay feminine.

It's really beautiful dance between minds.

It's literally a Mating Ritual.

P.S. -- I want to write more about this topic but I have to go now. I'll write more asap. It has been fascinating to develop these social skills. It has been thrilling to acquire power in the sexual marketplace.

+1

Post: #54

(02-10-2016 01:18 PM)yeppels Wrote:  I have a question to you guys about good vibes. What kind of mindset are you in when you put off good vibes?

How do you have this state without the environment around you influencing you? Does it just come naturally from being a happy and satisfied person? I.e. good health, sexually active, successful career/moneymaking prospects etc?

It sure helps if you are healthy, active, successful and can project that. Being fun is more important than you being happy inside, although they are related somewhat.

Quote:My entire life I've been a pretty sarcastic person, and I consider myself to be funny, but it's certainly a darker humor that I know puts some people off (girls...). I feel like transitioning to a positive humor would also affect the vibes I put off.

Absolutely. If you are/can project 'fun,' 'confident,' and 'laid-back,' your success will go up 10-fold.

Nothing in there about money, or height, or good looking, or amazing apartment. Those don't hurt but without the first 3 you're having to run the hurdles rather than they hop in your car and you drive home and fuck their brains out.

Post: #55

(02-10-2016 04:43 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  I really like this topic and find it enlightening and informative, especially when it's talked about less cryptically in the satire form like TD did. (I always found this annoying about his work).

I'd really like to do some more outside reading on this topic, but in a vein similar to the yaReally post in the previous page (which I really liked), the Johnny soporno stuff, WIA and DL's zombie post.

If anyone knows links to SS related articles, it would be appreciated. When I search the topic on google for instance, It seems to come back to the same 3 pages, one of which is the original post. I want to read more actual debate,discussion and examples about the topic from people other than sociopathic coke-addled TD. Shit we should have a thread just for outrageous examples of secret society shit in our lives, but that basically describes the entire +notch thread I guess.

it's a mistake to call it secret society, its something else, where everyone understand that women are bored 95% of their life, that they need to be pull out from their pathetic life, even for 1h.
There is almost no debate or discussion (it's the 1st rule) about it, you'll have to watch closely when in some crowded event, to see people disappear for 5 to 10mn to "go smoke outside" or "isolate themselves somewhere more quiet", you'll witness guys tucking back their shirt into their pants while women redoing their hairs...

Those guys don't kiss & tell so you'll have to decypher, warm handshake, eye contact, light touches on arm, innuendos, whispers and subtle smiles...

They have their own way to interact, they don't oppose women or even taking them seriously, they have fun with them, when you listen to their speech and how it's full of hook, they know that women want to be lied to, they don't go defensive when being criticized on the way they look/talk/dance because they know that's a good sign...

The way they talk, how they engage people and women in particular, how they bring the fun and delayed gratification as if it's not a problem, how they listen the craziest fantasies without flinching, how can blend in any circle because they're always welcomed anywhere...

What a great world...

Post: #56

(02-03-2016 07:20 PM)Ensam Wrote:  how one can communicate non-judgement through looks and behavior.

Here is how I communicate non-judgement through my looks:

1) I dress with a slight bad bad/non-conformist edge. I don't try to fit into the mainstream mold. I don't care about popular opinion -- Girls can sense through my appearance.. They can see that I am not trying to be judgmental or conventional, they can see that I don't care about being judged, they can see that I don't care about being formal or proper.

This gives me a non-judgmental vibe and look.

2) I show off my body. I wear fitted clothes, I take my shirt off, I wear tank tops. I communicate sexuality and oneness. I build muscle.

This helps me to appear flirtatious and sexual.(non-judgmental)

3) Hair, shoes, watch, accessories, etc. Nothing is basic and boring. Everything is sexy and fun.

I look playful, edgy, and like a man who not trying to judge.

4) My body language and facial expressions. I don't make a big deal about sex. I stay calm, playful, and non-judgmental -- even when she is telling me her nastiest sex fantasies. It's no big deal and it's our secret.

--

Here is how I communicate non-judgement through my behavior:

1) I walk, talk, and behave with a bit of a rebellious streak.

2) I try to be flirtatious in a non-needy way.

3) I laugh off the judgment of conformists.

These things help me to appear non-judgmental.

*****

I want to answer many more of the questions in this thread. I will continue tmw..

Post: #57

This thread quite literally brought a tear to my eye. I've never been more hyped reading a thread.

Some thoughts and questions for everyone.

-What brings men into the secret society("players") and what differentiates men in there from quality men who can get laid? I know a few guys who have various things that give them strong ability to be considered a "player"(boundless wit, the ability to get women into a sexual mood with minimal effort, my own ability to know what woman will respond to me 100% in a venue, etc.), but they just fall barely short. They have a block and I don't know my own or the ones for people around me.

-What goes wrong when a woman talks about sex due to my own sexual, non-judgmental vibe/words, but she loses interest in you sexually? I'm leaning more towards failed shit test, but it's happened enough at times where it is annoying. Edit: Elaborating on this question before it gets misconstrued. These same women have passed other girls off to me, but leave themselves closed off. Don't know what's up with that.

-What I've noticed with women whom you're in with and they think or "know" you are a player(non-verbally of course) is that either they get rather quiet or rather talkative. Talkative is easy. The usual fun and games, but when they get quiet anticipating more from you. What's the course of action? I'd say it's only worked out due to luck or if she's into the preaching/storytelling/philosophy/sales pitch type talking I do with people I genuinely like that I result too as a Hailmary. It's that gut feeling where you know you're in but you aren't really.

I'll probably have a lot more questions, but lets keep this thread going. I love this discussion.

Post: #58

The common trait about guys like us is that we're basically cool with girls being girls. That's what it really all comes down to.

While guys expect women to be innocent angels and shame them, we know their naughty side and we're fine with that. Non judgmental attitude is key factor in this whole secret society tribe. It applies mainly to sexuality but there is much more to it.

Guys put so much pressure on women in various way. They expect women to be well put together, to be nice, to always look great, etc etc. It feels horrible for women to walk on eggshells and be under constant stress at all times to act right and be miss perfect. Some of those men do it unconsciously some do it on purpose as they think it's proper man-woman dynamic. Then they wonder why they get left out and get bitter watching guys like us getting lots of attention by doing nothing so to speak. They don't see that this "nothing" that separates us from them is actually a lot [a lot of stupid shit that we don't say or do that can slow things down significantly].

Post: #59

(02-11-2016 08:51 AM)XXL Wrote:  The common trait about guys like us is that we're basically cool with girls being girls. That's what it really all comes down to.

While guys expect women to be innocent angels and shame them, we know their naughty side and we're fine with that. Non judgmental attitude is key factor in this whole secret society tribe. It applies mainly to sexuality but there is much more to it.

Guys put so much pressure on women in various way. They expect women to be well put together, to be nice, to always look great, etc etc. It feels horrible for women to walk on eggshells and be under constant stress at all times to act right and be miss perfect. Some of those men do it unconsciously some do it on purpose as they think it's proper man-woman dynamic. Then they wonder why they get left out and get bitter watching guys like us getting lots of attention by doing nothing so to speak. They don't see that this "nothing" that separates us from them is actually a lot [a lot of stupid shit that we don't say or do that can slow things down significantly].

Do you have the same attitude when it comes to your wife and the mother of your kids? If a woman has been throatfucked and glazed by multiple guys before ever meeting you, does that carry any weight as far your investment in her? Genuine question.

Post: #60

(02-11-2016 08:51 AM)XXL Wrote:  The common trait about guys like us is that we're basically cool with girls being girls. That's what it really all comes down to.

While guys expect women to be innocent angels and shame them, we know their naughty side and we're fine with that. Non judgmental attitude is key factor in this whole secret society tribe. It applies mainly to sexuality but there is much more to it.

Guys put so much pressure on women in various way. They expect women to be well put together, to be nice, to always look great, etc etc. It feels horrible for women to walk on eggshells and be under constant stress at all times to act right and be miss perfect. Some of those men do it unconsciously some do it on purpose as they think it's proper man-woman dynamic. Then they wonder why they get left out and get bitter watching guys like us getting lots of attention by doing nothing so to speak. They don't see that this "nothing" that separates us from them is actually a lot [a lot of stupid shit that we don't say or do that can slow things down significantly].

Great point here

"There is two kinds of player: Those who love pussy and those who love women..."
In the end, both will have their needs fulfilled but one will have to work his way in while the other will get delivered wherever he go...

Post: #61

Personally, it's all fun and games when a woman talks dirty about all the nasty shit she wants to do with me. But as soon as she starts talking about other cocks in her holes, I find it repulsive. (Unless of course, I'm in an orgy and in DGAF mode, in which case, I'm getting my fun and I'll probably never see the slut again).

I mean, I know that she's had other cocks inside her and done all kinds of nasty shit with other men. I know that. I'm not under any naive illusion that she's the perfect virgin angel. But I just don't want to hear it. Just like women don't want to hear me talking about dipping my baby arm in other wet pussies and spraying man batter all over them.

They suspect it... fine, let them suspect it, and their imagination will do the work. Same thing on my end, I suspect it but I don't want it thrown in my face.

Post: #62

(02-11-2016 08:58 AM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 08:51 AM)XXL Wrote:  The common trait about guys like us is that we're basically cool with girls being girls. That's what it really all comes down to.

While guys expect women to be innocent angels and shame them, we know their naughty side and we're fine with that. Non judgmental attitude is key factor in this whole secret society tribe. It applies mainly to sexuality but there is much more to it.

Guys put so much pressure on women in various way. They expect women to be well put together, to be nice, to always look great, etc etc. It feels horrible for women to walk on eggshells and be under constant stress at all times to act right and be miss perfect. Some of those men do it unconsciously some do it on purpose as they think it's proper man-woman dynamic. Then they wonder why they get left out and get bitter watching guys like us getting lots of attention by doing nothing so to speak. They don't see that this "nothing" that separates us from them is actually a lot [a lot of stupid shit that we don't say or do that can slow things down significantly].

Do you have the same attitude when it comes to your wife and the mother of your kids? If a woman has been throatfucked and glazed by multiple guys before ever meeting you, does that carry any weight as far your investment in her? Genuine question.

Same attitude toward all women.

There are much more important things that can put me off in a woman [who I consider as my wife/mother of my children] than some orgy she had in high school. Who am I to judge, I'm a bigger slut than she has ever been.

That's what I often say to girls to let them know I'm the guy they can open up to, literally this.. "it's just adventures, it's fine, no big deal to me, I was much bigger slut than all of your combined.. so who am I to judge anyone?"

Post: #63

(02-11-2016 09:31 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Personally, it's all fun and games when a woman talks dirty about all the nasty shit she wants to do with me. But as soon as she starts talking about other cocks in her holes, I find it repulsive. (Unless of course, I'm in an orgy and in DGAF mode, in which case, I'm getting my fun and I'll probably never see the slut again).

I mean, I know that she's had other cocks inside her and done all kinds of nasty shit with other men. I know that. I'm not under any naive illusion that she's the perfect virgin angel. But I just don't want to hear it. Just like women don't want to hear me talking about dipping my baby arm in other wet pussies and spraying man batter all over them.

They suspect it... fine, let them suspect it, and their imagination will do the work. Same thing on my end, I suspect it but I don't want it thrown in my face.

I think my friend that might be a block. Just don't comment on it. Just a "yeah that's nice" and moving on works fine. It's more about taking mental notes than letting your real thoughts show. An honest woman always plays against her own benefit from the rush of feeling validated.

All it does is help screen out long term commitment.

Post: #64

Having $ is a panacea about worrying about $. You don't count what you spend=free flowing.

Having other girls= you don't care what this girl does...outcome independent good mood.

Player lifestyle= stress free sex. So you don't care about this sex.

It's really come together for me this last year and I do less and less game.

I am a very positive person and ppl like me. Guys and girls. I'd actually say getting other guys and the staff to like you is more important than any girl because the guys and staff are anchors. They will almost always be there...girls come and go.

Post: #65

(01-31-2016 05:32 PM)XXL Wrote:  I remember the impact of that post. Just those two mindsets alone ie "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" made bigger difference for me than any kind of game schticks. It was very eye opening to see how women open up once they feel at ease with a guy

So, completely embracing these ideas and integrating them into your mindset is good for getting laid but will be a problem when you enter a relationship.

Because if you truly believe "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" and aren't just faking the belief, you won't care when another guy fucks your wife or girlfriend.

Post: #66

(02-11-2016 04:03 PM)Stun Wrote:  ]

So, completely embracing these ideas and integrating them into your mindset is good for getting laid but will be a problem when you enter a relationship.

Because if you truly believe "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" and aren't just faking the belief, you won't care when another guy fucks your wife or girlfriend.

If this is how people think, we need to do a GAME reminder.

WIA

Post: #67

(02-11-2016 04:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 04:03 PM)Stun Wrote:  ]

So, completely embracing these ideas and integrating them into your mindset is good for getting laid but will be a problem when you enter a relationship.

Because if you truly believe "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" and aren't just faking the belief, you won't care when another guy fucks your wife or girlfriend.

If this is how people think, we need to do a GAME reminder.

WIA

Guys need to realize that if they aren't setting boundaries that's the number one way to get played by girls. Negligence should never be an aspect of game.

Post: #68

@Stun
Loyalty is a default expectation in relationship [to me at least] and girl's sexual past or preferences has nothing to do with it.

Post: #69

Having known the general premise of what's discussed here is why I quit going down on girls early on, even a rekindled ex where the comfort level is already in place. It's part of my no-cock-sucking-by-proxy commandment.

1/3 of a bitch's entire existence is playing off, or covering up what she's really doing when you're not around... and she's committed that same ambiguity towards any other men who make the sexual interaction easy.

The less she feels she had to cover up, the easier you make her life. That's a huge part of the fun for them. Some think you don't know it, others suspect you might know all about it but you aren't say anything for posterity.

All a fuckable girl wants is ease in their motive. You make that easy, you get laid.

On the LTR note, the same skills of making the comfortable ease to bang, are the same that tell you WHAT boundaries to set and when, and what behavior to look out for to know whether or not you've got a faithful keeper.

Post: #70

Without being redundant from what other people have posted, something I've seen and see is when I'm walking in an area with a lot of foot traffic, with couples strolling or seated at cafes... if you have good body language and a good "look", you will get eye contact / IOI's from women who are with their partner, with him not knowing.

One way it happens is when a couple passes me (walking toward me) with the guy walking in front, I will not infrequently get eye contact from the woman as she passes by.

My guess is it's that whole provider (her partner) vs. the "r-selected" thing.

Post: #71

(02-11-2016 04:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 04:03 PM)Stun Wrote:  So, completely embracing these ideas and integrating them into your mindset is good for getting laid but will be a problem when you enter a relationship.

Because if you truly believe "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" and aren't just faking the belief, you won't care when another guy fucks your wife or girlfriend.

If this is how people think, we need to do a GAME reminder.

WIA

Just playing devil's advocate. No self-respecting man actually believes this about his woman (I hope)

Post: #72

(02-11-2016 08:17 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 04:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 04:03 PM)Stun Wrote:  So, completely embracing these ideas and integrating them into your mindset is good for getting laid but will be a problem when you enter a relationship.

Because if you truly believe "sex is no big deal" and "never judging women" and aren't just faking the belief, you won't care when another guy fucks your wife or girlfriend.

If this is how people think, we need to do a GAME reminder.

WIA

Just playing devil's advocate. No self-respecting man actually believes this about his woman (I hope)

Some poly guys (ie blackdragon) seem to have OLTR's and seem to be relatively okay with their mainstay girls or FB's sleeping with other people. Mind you, with the correct frame it's unlikely that your women will sleep with other men due to their own biological wiring but thats besides the point...I had a talk with a girl yesterday who dropped the 'I like you, where is this going deal' - told her I'm seeing other people as well as her and wanted to continue seeing her. She seemed fine with it, just doesn't want STD's.

I love this thread.

Post: #73

(02-11-2016 09:56 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 08:58 AM)Mr. Pink Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 08:51 AM)XXL Wrote:  The common trait about guys like us is that we're basically cool with girls being girls. That's what it really all comes down to.

While guys expect women to be innocent angels and shame them, we know their naughty side and we're fine with that. Non judgmental attitude is key factor in this whole secret society tribe. It applies mainly to sexuality but there is much more to it.

Guys put so much pressure on women in various way. They expect women to be well put together, to be nice, to always look great, etc etc. It feels horrible for women to walk on eggshells and be under constant stress at all times to act right and be miss perfect. Some of those men do it unconsciously some do it on purpose as they think it's proper man-woman dynamic. Then they wonder why they get left out and get bitter watching guys like us getting lots of attention by doing nothing so to speak. They don't see that this "nothing" that separates us from them is actually a lot [a lot of stupid shit that we don't say or do that can slow things down significantly].

Do you have the same attitude when it comes to your wife and the mother of your kids? If a woman has been throatfucked and glazed by multiple guys before ever meeting you, does that carry any weight as far your investment in her? Genuine question.

Same attitude toward all women.

There are much more important things that can put me off in a woman [who I consider as my wife/mother of my children] than some orgy she had in high school. Who am I to judge, I'm a bigger slut than she has ever been.

That's what I often say to girls to let them know I'm the guy they can open up to, literally this.. "it's just adventures, it's fine, no big deal to me, I was much bigger slut than all of your combined.. so who am I to judge anyone?"

That's obviously a great mindset to have and I applaud you for it but I'm just not wired that way I guess. I'm all for having that attitude towards pump and dumps and mini LTRs but you couldn't pay me to wife up, live with, and have kids with a woman who has gagged on multiple cocks and been fucked in the ass repeatedly. It's getting more and more unrealistic by the day but in my world, the mother of my kids has to be my slut exclusively.

Post: #74

In addition to some of what's already posted above, I would go as far as to say that the "no judgement" rule applies in other spheres of life as well, not just "gaming" women. My experience leads me to believe that it is much easier to "infiltrate" other informal "clubs" and "secret societies" when you either are, or appear to be non-judgemental about peoples proclivities and behavior. And there are many reasons for this, not least of all the fact that you don't fully know or understand the circumstances at the time something was done.

There is always a time later on when you reveal your true colors, but it is hardly during the early stages of the interaction.

Post: #75

@swuglyfe - Why dinner and not the usual drinks at two venues (public bar then lounge with secluded couches so you can get close)?

@xxl - Women giving out sex is like men giving out commitment. Men getting sex is like women getting commitment.

@blck: