Post: #26

(01-19-2016 12:57 AM)JayR Wrote:  

Quote: it took Frey's ambitiousness and ruthlessness to make them the success they became.

Agreed. Frey was surrounded by rock-n-roll egos, but he was an alpha among them. He was laser-focused on the success of the Eagles over anything else. Yes, he came off as a dick in the documentary, but I respect his drive and determination to make the Eagles succeed.

One of my favorite Frey stories is the backstage meltdown with Randy Meisner after a big show, Dallas I think, 1977. The Eagles always closed the show with Meisner's "Take It To the Limit," an anthemic crowd favorite. But, it required the shy Meisner to perform vocal acrobatics, and this night, Meisner had the flu, and refused to sing it (and hated being told by Frey he had to sing it).

Frey confronted him backstage, told him 20,000 fans paid bucks to hear him sing it, and if he didn't he was out of the band. Meisner ran to a limo and was out of the band.

Yes, Henley was the more gifted voice and musician, but Frey was the driving force in that band, and he wrote some classic songs. I'm sad he got sick and couldn't receive his Kennedy Center honors.

RIP.

Very true. Henley said on Howard Stern a few months back that Frey was always considered the leader of the group.

RIP Glenn, my favorite Frey song on lead vocals bitterly rings true today

Post: #27

(01-18-2016 11:37 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:25 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Quote:We're told the cause of death was a combination of complications from rheumatoid arthritis, acute ulcerative colitis, and pneumonia.

He had Crohn's disease, right?

Did he get a C Diff infection? It's becoming an epidemic and it's already resistant to the first and (in about half the cases) second line of drugs.

People just think they have bad diarrhea and don't realize their colon already has a hole in it. Infection spreads and it can be lights out.

I don't know, but I was thinking before all this that he was aging very poorly and did not look healthy.





Contrast with Bruce Springsteen who is just one year younger:

Smoking will age most people.

Frey was a heavy smoker for decades while Bruce is apparently always avoided cigarettes and drugs and has been gym rat for decades. Frey's obsession with Marlboro "hard boxes" was such a big deal that it's actually documented in one of the books on the band -- and I think made it into the TV special.

Post: #28

RIP Glenn Frey. Great voice, but not a big fan of the Eagles. They had a few good songs I liked though. You guys posted some of my favorite songs of his already. I always thought Don Henley was the leader though, although behind the scene it sounds like Frey was. I wonder what hotel California, and Dirty laundry would sound like Frey singing lead vocals.

Ulcerative colitis is similar to Chrohns but not the same, although the support groups contain both of them. Chrohns is more localized in one spot of the digestive system (the spot being anywhere from the mouth to anus), and can penetrate the wall of the guts too. Colitis tends to be spread out (not effecting one spot)and more on the inner walls of the gut, but I think confined to the colon. If its not responding to meds or surgery, the pain can be excruciating and its easy to lose too much weight fast (bad way). Granted there are more differences I'm sure but I forget what they are. I could see it easily killing someone in there 70s especially combined with pneumonia .

Post: #29

(01-19-2016 01:40 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:37 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:25 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Quote:We're told the cause of death was a combination of complications from rheumatoid arthritis, acute ulcerative colitis, and pneumonia.

He had Crohn's disease, right?

Did he get a C Diff infection? It's becoming an epidemic and it's already resistant to the first and (in about half the cases) second line of drugs.

People just think they have bad diarrhea and don't realize their colon already has a hole in it. Infection spreads and it can be lights out.

I don't know, but I was thinking before all this that he was aging very poorly and did not look healthy.





Contrast with Bruce Springsteen who is just one year younger:

Smoking will age most people.

Frey was a heavy smoker for decades while Bruce is apparently always avoided cigarettes and drugs and has been gym rat for decades. Frey's obsession with Marlboro "hard boxes" was such a big deal that it's actually documented in one of the books on the band -- and I think made it into the TV special.

Yep. The butts have a cumulative effect. Skin, teeth, lungs, heart. The worst.

RIP, Glenn Frey.

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Post: #31

Just found out about this from the forum. I haven't looked at FB for a couple days and last week was crawling with Bowie worship. People really loved him.
I'm pre-emptively bummed in that I know I'll probably see a ton of snark and insensitivity since the Eagles are considered kind of uncool among a certain set of music fans. Saw a bunch of this when Scott Weiland kicked it.

The Big Lebowski (great as it is) sort of established and legitimized a trend of Eagles hatred, which has snowballed over the last 15 years.
Read a cool interview a few years back about a guy who works for Warner Bros going through the vaults when they do those box sets with alternate takes and stuff. He singled out the Eagles as a band who's tapes revealed very cohesive ensemble playing in the studio - strong complete takes, not a lot of overdubs despite their reputation for being really produced.
He then contrasted that with the Ramones. Embedded within their deliberately raw sound, he would commonly find extra guitar and vocal overdubs played by producers and hired pros.

RIP

Post: #32

Each of us are just out taking a walk on the edge of a cliff. And one day we fall off. As far as I can tell, that is the saddest thing about our reality, as it stands now. Psalm 82:7 still obtains. But not for much longer...
"But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

***
I'll always remember Glenn Frey for the music he added to one of those sublime 80s TV shows I loved as a young teenager. He even appeared in an episode.





Hey, Glenn. Thanks for the memories.

Post: #33

Looking a lot like 2009 all over again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Death

Post: #34

Yeah three of the Eagles left after big blow ups with Frey. I believe the original lead guitarist dumped a pitcher of beer on Freys head. Then his replacement, Don Felder ended up sueing the Eagles (and won). They almost had a fight on stage once (there's audio out there of them fighting in between songs).

The guys who left, who admittedly had an axe to grind with Frey, implied that he wasn't a talented song writer. That he'd hijack others songs and get writing credit. They had a phrase "add a word, get a third." Meaning Henley and one of the others would write a song, and Frey would swoop in and change a word or two in the lyrics, then get one third writing credit (and royalties). Felder points out one song that Frey wrote by himself, (I forgot which one), which is bloody aweful.

Post: #35

Frey was a pretty great guitarist when the situation called for it. I always loved the lead slide guitar he played on Randy Meisner's "Is It True?" from the On the Border album.

This isn't virtuoso slide playing in the vein of Duane Allman or Stevie Ray Vaughan. But it's extremely inventive melodically and -- in my opinion -- the call-and-response between Frey's melody lines and Meisner's vocal totally makes the song.

This was the first song I ever learned to play slide to, way back in high school. I had no slide, so I used the tube of my asthma inhaler.

Post: #36

Post: #37

"Don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy
She'll beat you if she's able
You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet."

Never really paid close attention to the lyrics behind Desperado until now. Should start carrying around these two cards with me and have a girl pick one. See which one she subconsciously chooses.

Thanks for a bit of game knowledge Glenn. RIP.

Post: #38

(01-19-2016 09:04 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  Smoking will age most people.

Frey was a heavy smoker for decades while Bruce is apparently always avoided cigarettes and drugs and has been gym rat for decades. Frey's obsession with Marlboro "hard boxes" was such a big deal that it's actually documented in one of the books on the band -- and I think made it into the TV special.


Yep. The butts have a cumulative effect. Skin, teeth, lungs, heart. The worst.

RIP, Glenn Frey.

Man, in those photos he looked a lot like George Wendt.

Post: #39

Desperado is about a playa who's getting tired of chasing tail (he no longer feels the highs and lows - he's desensitized). He's getting advice to settle down before it's too late. Kinda ironic since Henley was a bachelor/playa until around age 50. He had a 16 girl OD in his mansion when he was in his 40s.

Quote:Desperado, why don't you come to your senses
You been out ridin' fences for so long now
Oh, you're a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin' you
Can hurt you somehow

Don't you draw the Queen of Diamonds, boy
She'll beat you if she's able
You know the Queen of Hearts is always your best bet

Now, it seems to me some fine things
Have been laid upon your table,
But you only want the ones that you can't get

Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger
Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home

And freedom, oh freedom, well that's just some people talkin'
Your prison is walking through this world all alone

Don't your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine
It's hard to tell the night time from the day
You're losin' all your highs and lows;
Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away?

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
Come down from your fences; open the gate
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you
You better let somebody love you, before it's too late

I stand by my analysis.

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Post: #41

(01-20-2016 03:22 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Desperado is about a playa who's getting tired of chasing tail (he no longer feels the highs and lows - he's desensitized). He's getting advice to settle down before it's too late. Kinda ironic since Henley was a bachelor/playa until around age 50. He had a 16 girl OD in his mansion when he was in his 40s.

Quote:Desperado, why don't you come to your senses
You been out ridin' fences for so long now
Oh, you're a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin' you
Can hurt you somehow

Don't you draw the Queen of Diamonds, boy
She'll beat you if she's able
You know the Queen of Hearts is always your best bet

Now, it seems to me some fine things
Have been laid upon your table,
But you only want the ones that you can't get

Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger
Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home

And freedom, oh freedom, well that's just some people talkin'
Your prison is walking through this world all alone

Don't your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine
It's hard to tell the night time from the day
You're losin' all your highs and lows;
Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away?

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
Come down from your fences; open the gate
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you
You better let somebody love you, before it's too late

I stand by my analysis.

Interesting interpretation. The song itself is from a concept album about old west outlaws, so I had always interpreted it as a drifter who's growing tired of roaming. But your analysis definitely shines a new light on it for me.

Post: #42

Eagles are in my all time top 3..... Eagles, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Empire of the Sun.

This ass hat wrote a article about the Eagles being a horrific band the day the news broke of Glenns death

Post: #43

Personally I think The Long Run is one of the best studio rock albums ever recorded. It is technically marvelous. It is flawlessly arranged. It never had hits as big as in Hotel California, but it is one of those albums to listen to entirely in one sitting, like Dark Side of the Moon and other rock album greats.

Post: #44

(01-19-2016 07:51 AM)kbell Wrote:  RIP Glenn Frey. Great voice, but not a big fan of the Eagles. They had a few good songs I liked though. You guys posted some of my favorite songs of his already. I always thought Don Henley was the leader though, although behind the scene it sounds like Frey was. I wonder what hotel California, and Dirty laundry would sound like Frey singing lead vocals.

Frey had a good voice, and I think he sang those songs on which he was the primary songwriter, or on the songs where his style matched the lyrical content. But Frey probably never lobbied to sing either "Hotel California" or "Dirty Laundry."

In the documentary, Frey pretty much acknowledges Henley was the best vocalist in the band when describing the process of recording Don Felder's "Victim of Love." Felder wanted to sing it and tried multiple takes, but they sucked. They got the manager to take Felder to lunch so they could let Henley try the vocal. Frey says into the documentarian's camera something like "We didn't need to settle for Felder's vocal, we had Don Henley."

Can't blame Felder for being pissed, having brought the idea for the song to the band, but Frey (and Henley) cared about the Eagles, not Felder's feelings.

"Dirty Laundry" was a Henley solo song.

Quote:Ulcerative colitis is similar to Chrohns but not the same, although the support groups contain both of them. Chrohns is more localized in one spot of the digestive system (the spot being anywhere from the mouth to anus), and can penetrate the wall of the guts too. Colitis tends to be spread out (not effecting one spot)and more on the inner walls of the gut, but I think confined to the colon. If its not responding to meds or surgery, the pain can be excruciating and its easy to lose too much weight fast (bad way). Granted there are more differences I'm sure but I forget what they are. I could see it easily killing someone in there 70s especially combined with pneumonia .

Crohns is an auto-immune disease, the body attacks itself. My friend has it. He's had multiple surgeries to remove portions of his intestine. He's got to take a lot of supplements because certain segments of the bowel absorb specific vitamins and nutrients, and he's had them removed. There is no cure. Terrible disease.

I don't know anything about ulcerative colitis, but it does not sound fun.

Post: #45

(01-22-2016 10:53 PM)JayR Wrote:  I don't know anything about ulcerative colitis, but it does not sound fun.

Warm smell of colitis, rising up through the air....

Post: #46

I have chrohns too for 12 years now. The auto-immune response caused some damage but its mild in my case (still not pleasant) and stable so far. Its localized in one spot of the gut. I kind of wish I knew what it looked like but the doctor never showed me. Surgeries sound like a crapshoot, since I here it can move. I take a ton of supplements too, especially zinc and folate.

Post: #47

(01-22-2016 11:42 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 10:53 PM)JayR Wrote:  I don't know anything about ulcerative colitis, but it does not sound fun.

Warm smell of colitis, rising up through the air....

I know text-speak is discouraged here, but LOL.

My friend with Crohn's played bass in our basement band back in the late '80s. He was suffering from the disease and ripped ungodly farts, but had not yet been diagnosed.

We'd be jamming away in our tiny rehearsal room, finding a great groove, when suddenly the bass would drop out. We'd all stop playing and look over to see what was up. He'd be doubled over in pain, which was our cue to frantically grab our matchbooks and light up before the smell spread out.

We gave the poor guy hell for having the stankiest gas imaginable, even though we could see he was not enjoying dealing these farts at all.

Too bad our band never jammed Hotel California, would have made the story even funnier.

Post: #48

(01-22-2016 11:58 PM)kbell Wrote:  I have chrohns too for 12 years now. The auto-immune response caused some damage but its mild in my case (still not pleasant) and stable so far. Its localized in one spot of the gut. I kind of wish I knew what it looked like but the doctor never showed me. Surgeries sound like a crapshoot, since I here it can move. I take a ton of supplements too, especially zinc and folate.

kbell -- No offense intended when I posted my story making fun of my friend's Crohn's. I wasn't trying to make light of Crohn's, and hadn't read your post before I posted the story.

Good luck dealing with it. Sounds like you're doing well so far.

Jay R.

Post: #49

Non taken. It was a funny story, but I know the feeling he was going through.
I wonder if Frey when he was being ass to band mates was going through similar pain. During a flare up you tend not to be nice to others.

Post: #50

Desperado actually makes more sense if a woman sings it: