Post: #26

(12-07-2015 02:00 AM)Snowplow Wrote:  But I know it will all fade, these SJWs have the attention span of a gold fish. The next social injustice will cause a lapse in memory until the next bigger injustice.

"We are going to dedicate our lives to bring you down Mr Matt...



"wait...ooh hell no somebody just called Beatrice a fattie...we can't let that go unpunished!!!...this way guys!!!"

Post: #27

It's discouraging, there doesn't seem to be much "our people" can do besides laying low. Tools like twitter and facebook are run by SJWs, so they're going to be selectively enforced in a way that serves their own kind. Their policy terms may say one thing, but SJWs always lie.

Law enforcement may be less biased and more helpful, but if you're already considered a public figure, the recourse for certain things like defamation may be limited.

I used to think the easiest approach was just ignoring the haters and doing your own thing. But that approach won't work on these people. They are not content with a marketplace of ideas, or a live and let live approach. They are sociopaths, and they demand absolute submission. Look at their goals: They demand that certain videogames be banned, that certain speech be made illegal (UN push for 'cyber harrassment'); they run college presidents and sports team owners out of power, and it's only the beginning. They are power hungry and take pleasure in destroying the lives of others. It only encourages them. Why do you think they're so quick to defend terrorists? Because they fantasize about terrorizing others, and they wish they could openly do it themselves- they identify with them.

The only way to deal with sociopaths is to make the consequences of fucking with you higher than any benefit they hope to achieve. Any provocation must be met with immediate and massive escalation of the stakes in order to discourage them. When predators feel the risks are too high, they move on to softer targets.

I wouldn't advocate anything illegal, and considering that the legal system and culture is stacked against us, our options may be limited. But I'm sure we could come up with something.

MikeCF and Roosh are on the cutting edge with this. The way Roosh responded to the harassment in Montreal by reporting the assault against him might make some SJWs think twice. At first I though some of the pieces MikeCF wrote a few months ago seemed kind of petty and immature, but only later did I realize the genius of it. The only way to discourage some assholes from fucking with you is to make them know there will be major consequences for doing so. The way he threatened lawsuits against the publishing companies with large assets, not his attacker, might discourage companies from publishing SJW content. The economy is fragile, and companies will avoid potential liability whenever possible. Seth Rogan was absolutely humiliated. Others will see that and think twice before going against Mike.

Maybe we could publish hit pieces to throw salt in the wounds forming in the fragile coalition of the SJWs using a discretely troll blog. Every third article could sew discord within the left: "Is feminism a rich white girl only movement? Are they really on the same side as #blacklivesmatter?" Put them on the defensive: "Why does [insert SJW's name here] live in a 95% white suburb? Are they racist?" Phoenix posted Ben Shapiro's strategy for arguing with liberals: never try to explain yourself, go on the offensive.

We could come up with simple and effective language that goes viral. Heartiste seems to be especially good at it. The Cuckservative meme was a major success, we need more of that. It made the idea that establishment Republicans are traitors go mainstream.

These fuckheads aren't gonna stop until we make the cost of doing business too high for them. We need to start thinking up deterrents.

Post: #28

Counter offensive is the best tool, these people are not very clever, as witnessed by the Roosh Canada affair. What you need is infiltration and then using their own tools against them. Granted, it would be much easier for a larger crowd of trolls like Misc or Chan.

Post: #29

(12-07-2015 03:45 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  Maybe we could publish hit pieces to throw salt in the wounds forming in the fragile coalition of the SJWs using a discretely troll blog. Every third article could sew discord within the left: "Is feminism a rich white girl only movement? Are they really on the same side as #blacklivesmatter?" Put them on the defensive: "Why does [insert SJW's name here] live in a 95% white suburb? Are they racist?"

There's fracture points everywhere. Subversion is the future.

The Twitter Bio of Margaret Pless used to try and sell her 1920's flapper avatar by saying she was blogging from the comfort of her 'own private Pullman car'.

I pointed out on Reddit last year 'as a Feminist' that the Pullman Company is often held up as a textbook case of systemic discrimination against African Americans, restricting their job to the Porter class only, not allowing them to advance to Conductors, and segregating travel between white and black travellers.

As such, her bio was obvious evidence of her problematic fantasies of power and privilege over AA's.

The context, back at the time she's fantasising about:



The bio was changed, very quickly.

Like John Scalzi not understanding why a Cis White Male in Drag is offensive to transsexuals, I'm irritated-but-not-surprised that I know more about the history of prejudice and social justice than the Narcissists who gain supply from their professed morality.

Subvert, fracture, get them fighting amongst themselves. All fracturing takes is believable argument that paints you as more committed to the cause than others and groupthink will do the rest. "Ugh, you're such a casual."

Post: #30

I am a huge critic of the African American community, am anti-illegal immigration, pro-white self -determination and a right winger on all fiscal & most social issues.

Been called an Uncle Tom so many times it's not even funny.But even i find your tweets crass and distasteful.

Quote:We don't need gun control. We need black control.

No blacks, no Muslims, no Latinos and no immigrants equals no shootings.

You're a very intelligent guy and get where you are coming from but couldn't you have worded it better? What the fuck is "black control"??

Self respect dictates that i am never going to click on your blog again. I am also placing you on my ignore list. Which is a pity because i like your writing.

Post: #31

Quote:Self respect dictates that i am never going to click on your blog again. I will also put you on my ignore list. Which is a pity because i like your writing.

Dude, grow the hell up. Especially if you understand what he's saying, and just don't like his wording. Are you a six year old, who has to put someone an "ignore" list lest you accidentally stumble upon something he says, and cause yourself irreparable harm?

Post: #32

^^ I can respect opinions of any creed. But i can't tolerate straight up insults like "black control". Sounds too much like pest control for me to let it slide off.

Post: #33

To be fair to Anabasis, I unfollowed him a while ago too.

Post: #34

I agree with Anabis. I'm Latino. What the hell does Latino control mean? Subtle intellectual racism is the worse.

I got one! How about no white people? I'm playing your guy's game. Ignore list!

Post: #35

(12-07-2015 05:11 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  ^^ I can respect opinions of any creed. But i can't tolerate straight up insults like "black control". Sounds too much like pest control for me to let it slide off.

As a stranger on the other side of the world, it's really none of my business, but I would encourage you to reconsider. You have often proved yourself on here to be a thoughtful, intelligent, and articulate man, and as such you have the potential to be a great ambassador for the better nature of 'the black man' and to be a positive, reasoned force against blanket dismissals of the kind Matt Forney is making. If, as it seems, you see merit in his writing, and it is the tone that offends you, I would urge you to make a reasoned case against it, as you seem fully capable of doing. Matt Forney clearly has a decent audience, and if you are able to appeal to his better nature, he might find himself questioning whether such sweeping pejoratives aren't, for the moment at least, still a little crass.

You have the intelligence and power of expression to challenge his statements without resorting to tantrums over choice of language, and without simply opting out of the debate. You have a wonderful opportunity here on this forum, with a remarkably thoughtful and fair-minded readership from all areas of the globe, to make your arguments persuasively. If you are persuasive, and Matt Forney is unreceptive to your reason, it will be he who is diminished in the eyes of a community who he respects, and who respect him. It is in everyone's interest that smart men such as yourself do not simply opt out of the challenge because you don't like his choice of words.

Post: #36

^^ There's a better way to troll the left while making the point that the same bullshit doctored homicide statistics that they constantly push to shit all over the 2nd Amendment (oftentimes the 1st by extension) is done not out of giving a shit about minorities and immigrants, but to limit freedoms and push a culturally marxist agenda.

The problem is that fitting that into 140 characters or less looks a lot like open racism.

Post: #37

I think Anabasis is well within his right to decide to ignore Matt. That's how men settle beefs. If there's a disagreement, we don't force the other one to accept our stance, there's always the option to go our separate ways.

Matt's writing style can come off as trollish and iconoclastic sometimes, so it's going to put a lot of people off. That's Matt's choice, and it's everyone else's choice how they react to it. I can respect that.

Post: #38

Matt is obviously a smart guy, so to say something like "we need black control" one would assume that he would know how it would come across to others and that he would also be ok with it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but surely Matt you can see how people would view that as racist?

As far as debate, how often does someone really change their mind after debating with someone on the internet? Its really not hard to see why someone would just tune out an opinion on the internet they don't agree with. Just not worth the time.

Post: #39

(12-07-2015 06:19 PM)Hades Wrote:  The problem is that fitting that into 140 characters or less looks a lot like open racism.

I saw this playing out, and if a man like me who understands free speech, shit-talking and plausible irony thinks 'My tax dollars are paying for your KFC Chicken Wings' looks exactly like open racism, how else would anyone expect a humourless crowd of SJW's to react?

I just figured Matt was either higher than God, or setting out to get deliberately banned from Twitter for his own personal reasons, because most tech companies have made no secret of their double standards in the name of ideology now, particularly Twitter, which is why I don't use it, Facebook, Kickstarter, Paypal or Patreon. I will not contribute to the continued success of these companies, or help pay the salaries of their hipster staff, and if life isn't as convenient for me, so what?

I like your writing and Podcasts Matt, but this was very weird lapse in judgement that confused me deeply. Damage is done: it is what it is. I suspect you're being trolled by the Weird Twitter crowd than in any real danger. If your keep your head down, another lolcow will draw their attention.

Post: #40

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Post: #41

(12-07-2015 05:11 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  ^^ I can respect opinions of any creed. But i can't tolerate straight up insults like "black control". Sounds too much like pest control for me to let it slide off.

Amen. That's downright derogatory, actual racist stuff. He should specifically retract that statement and re-clarify his meaning.

But aside from that, the most important thing to remember with leftist activists is not to back down under any circumstances. At no point should Forney appear to retreat or submit. These are bullies - the only thing they understand is "master and slave", specifically they want to own your voice and be in control of what you can or can't say. And if you are too difficult to enslave, they will go after someone else. Thugs are the opposite of hard workers.

This is the nature of liberty. It is always earned, though the defeat of the anti-social predators who live amongst us, and who view others as nothing more than 'potential slaves'. May Forney have the courage to defend himself and his liberty in the only way one can - double down. One's speech should be twice as inflammatory and frequent when it is under attack as when it is not.

Post: #42

Can you clarify? First you say:

(12-08-2015 04:36 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Amen. That's downright derogatory, actual racist stuff. He should specifically retract that statement and re-clarify his meaning.

But then you go on to say:

(12-08-2015 04:36 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  May Forney have the courage to defend himself and his liberty in the only way one can - double down. One's speech should be twice as inflammatory and frequent when it is under attack as when it is not.

Do you want him to clarify his statements or double down and be twice as inflammatory?

Post: #43

(12-08-2015 04:48 AM)Snowplow Wrote:  Do you want him to clarify his statements or double down and be twice as inflammatory?

Both. An example:

"I retract my use of the phrase 'black control'. It was a very poorly constructed attempt at rhetorically expressing my view that gun violence in black communities is caused not by guns (i.e. 'in need of gun control'), but by the current culture within those communities (i.e. 'in need of cultural change in black communities'). I reiterate my view that this cultural change is very much needed, and that leftist policies that are exacerbating the problem should be dismantled, and that any leftist that disagrees is welcome to go suck a fat one'.

Post: #44

Forney should get his friend Naughty Nomad to bring his pirate gang to Chicago. Together they can fight the SJWs.

Post: #45

(12-08-2015 12:05 PM)zoom Wrote:  Forney should get his friend Naughty Nomad to bring his pirate gang to Chicago. Together they can fight the SJWs.

Perhaps Little Dark can be convinced to interrupt his world tour of kicking white knight ass and come to Chicago to take on a bunch of SJW. I understand the tour isn't going the direction he'd hoped anyway

Post: #46

"black control" does sound quite racist, although that isn't the intention here.

Look at the context of the tweets in terms of what leftist types were flooding twitter with before we knew the shooters were muslims. There were all sorts of tweets about how white men needed to be prevented from owning guns, needed gun control specifically for white males, ect.

This is why Forney made those tweets. It was designed to get at them specifically and to turn the tables around. Of course it was in a trollish manner, because that's Forney.

Consider the leftist types making those tweets....

How would they feel if someone decided that blacks, hispanics, and arabs needed gun control? (Arguably they need the reverse when you consider the actual racist roots of gun control.)

Point is they can dish the racial rhetoric, but they can't take it.


I don't actually believe they will be able to touch Matt, and this is an intimidation campaign meant to scare him - which its doing. Never hurts to be prepared though, as there are some zealots of the progressive faith - specifically in Chicago - that are willing to be violent toward individuals deemed certain "ists" or "isms".

Problem is that concealed carry is prohibited in Chicago on public transportation where they are likely to strike or on the platforms, stops, ect.

I'm only about a 45 minute drive North West of Matt, so I'll do what I can to help him out. Up here, if these types tried to harass someone in a bar, they'd get their ass kicked. If they tried to get into someone's house, they'd probably get shot. Everyone has guns up here.

Oh and I live in Fox Lake for any SJWs reading this. Come get me.

Post: #47

(12-08-2015 01:52 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  "black control" does sound quite racist, although that isn't the intention here.

Look at the context of the tweets in terms of what leftist types were flooding twitter with before we knew the shooters were muslims.

Precisely; it was an inflammatory statement, but it was mimicry of the statements the Leftoids have been making (I covered that here). The left is pushing for a race war, doing everything they can to fracture race relations and breed discontent, and our side has our work cut out for us. On the one hand, we must utterly discredit the narrative of White Guilt and reclaim our heritage, while at the same time eschewing simplistic narratives where another group is scapegoated for all of our problems.

Thus far, I think we're doing a remarkable job of calling out the left with uncomfortable "hate facts" on interracial crime, without dehumanizing anybody based on their race. The number one threat to the West is White Liberals; Black Lives Matter is nothing but a cat's paw.

Don't underestimate the threat that these people pose. Already several minor voices have gone dark, threatened into silence by online hackers who seek to mobilize the cat's paws against them. It's skirting the line of incitement to violence - more than close enough if you have children or a career to think of - but not so blatant that the FBI is getting involved.

The irony of all of this, of course, is that the Antifas are behaving exactly like Brown Shirts, while us alleged-fascists are trying to temper all of our actions with justice.

Post: #48

Another black guy here logging in just to say that I have no sympathy for the SJWs here, but I'm not in Matt's corner on this, and I don't think we should be just cause he happens to write for a website we read.

Post: #49

(12-08-2015 02:49 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Precisely; it was an inflammatory statement, but it was mimicry of the statements the Leftoids have been making (I covered that here). The left is pushing for a race war, doing everything they can to fracture race relations and breed discontent, and our side has our work cut out for us. On the one hand, we must utterly discredit the narrative of White Guilt and reclaim our heritage, while at the same time eschewing simplistic narratives where another group is scapegoated for all of our problems.

But we know the enemy: we know how they think, and how they react, and how they argue, and this is why Matt's actions make little sense to me.

I called this the Degenerate Triad a long time back on here: Symbolism / Irrationalism / Emotionalism. I predicted this mindset naturally leads to eventual Fascism, due to the mindset that acts of violence against those dehumanised into Symbolic Representations of what they're fighting against, leads to the concept of Righteous Violence, particularly if the power structures function via double standards. This is how the Weimar Republic grows into Nazi Germany.

So if you mimic an inflammatory statement the left has made, they won't view it rationally ("Oh, you flipped the script, now I see how foolish I've been"), because they're Irrational. To them, they're righteous in their beliefs, and you're not: therefore they hold you to standards they don't apply to themselves - this is Christian Hypocrisy 101 - because you're a heretic to them. Basically, they want you to convert or die. (Which is why I suspect Progressives view Radical Islamists as the Power Fantasy they secretly wish they were, the way a teenage boy might idolise Batman)

So when Matt makes an inflammatory statement like "My tax dollars pay for your KFC chicken wings", they're going to react Emotionally, and respond with anger. Matt unpersoned himself and became a Symbolic Representation of Evil, (in this case, Racism). To them, there is now no functional difference between him and a trigger-happy cop.

Yes, their reaction makes no sense to us - though even I struggle to not see that as a racist statement - but we crossed beyond operating in the safe confines of a Rational Society a while ago, and I'm surprised more people aren't aware the rules have changed. I'd posit it was the transsexual cheerleading, particularly the Bruce Jenner praise, that marked the moment where it became undeniable that Irrationality was the order of the day, and I've seen many, many normal unpoliticised people I know starting to voice the opinion that something is now very, very wrong. I see other people cheerleading the madness. I know exactly who is worth risking trust with, and who is my enemy.

As such, if you see Muslims slaughter people and then everyone rush to protect their feelings, its a perfectly rational action if the power playing actors in society are now irrational. I no longer expect anything that happens during the decadent phase to make any kind of logical sense, and that's the simple beauty of living through this period: society going increasingly mad is a necessary, unavoidable process that will lead to a correction. You hold onto your sanity by expecting insanity from everyone else. Why would you try to correct it?

Let the campus madness continue unabated. If I wanted to weaken an Institution's power in society, I'd subvert it with Leftists. If I wanted to destroy it entirely, I'd hand power over it to the most extreme Leftists. I expect the reality of a degree from Yale or Harvard signalling to an employer that the graduate is most likely a irrational, hyper-sensitive subversive who will destroy their company and sue everyone involved is going to either decimate the universities, or create a radical structure change where the arts and humanities are wiped out.

Look, I can handle the madness. Something I learnt growing up in a very rough area was that everything was irrational and senseless. A walk to the shop for milk was a coin toss as whether you got milk, or got robbed and beat up. The acceptance of irrationality isn't inaction, but how you build emotional resilience instead of despairing, or falling into a pattern of indulging in the heightened-emotional outrage just to feel the false perception of power.

Quote:Don't underestimate the threat that these people pose. Already several minor voices have gone dark, threatened into silence by online hackers who seek to mobilize the cat's paws against them.

Another useful thing to know: don't provoke a degree of trouble beyond your fear of physical retaliation. If you show weakness by flinching, you're going to get hit. (One of my simplest tricks for physically defusing a situation is not blinking when I talk to intimidate them into standing down).

On Betchloff's podcast, Matt sounds upset and scared, thus signalling attacks against him are effective. This is Lolcow 101: don't react. You said some dumb racist shit. You now know your limits. We know you can't apologise to SJW's, so you're stuck with owning what you said. Laugh at the bad photoshops. Retweet the false Matt Forney and add snarky commentary to show it doesn't worry you. Gradually dial down the provocation and pick softer targets than, well, Black Panthers. Use Obsfucation and Disinformation. If you're going to keep provoking, drop the weight and muscle up.

Quote:The number one threat to the West is White Liberals

I see it as:

Islam
Globalists
Socialists
Mental Environmentalists *
Transhumanists

There's some cross-pollination with the last four, but also coming fracture points between them. None of these are race specific. Black, Asian and Indian guys have contacted me privately on here, and they have the same dedication to religion, family connections and working hard that I do. They're not the enemy. Whenever I speak of 'finding your tribe' to stand strong during the fall, I mean sharing core beliefs. This can transcend race as nothing unites like a common enemy, particularly a tyrannical one.

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* Aurini, This is what Jonathon McIntosh strikes me as. I guarantee if you put him and Roosh into a room together they could agree on one fact: technology stops us being our authentic selves.

Post: #50

Didn't Matt Forney marry a black woman or am I thinking of another red pill blogger?