Post: #51

(11-20-2015 09:09 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 08:52 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 04:13 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I'm going to say this, and quickly as possible, because I think it fits in here...

The red pill is bitter. The red pill is nasty. At least when you first take it and until you accept it. Because the red pill is the truth of life and only the truth can hurt. I think a lot of men stumble upon RVF and other red pill websites in an attempt to get better with women. Women are very import to men, it drives us to do everything in life. And women in the western world are a disaster, as deeply discussed here. So men turn to the internet and other sources to learn how to get through all the hurdles and get a decent woman. And their search leads them to life saving websites like RVF. Little do they know the beauty is far greater than just getting women.

To full accept the red pill wisdom can take years, even a decade. I first stumbled upon the red pill over 10 years ago, and still every day I am working to accept more red pill beliefs into my life and to become a better man. That is what men must do, wake up every day with a purpose to get better. For example, recently I have been working on my posture, because I think it is extremely important and also extremely tough psychologically.

But the red pill is about so much more than learning to be good with women. In fact, being good with women is just a minor side effect of fully accepting and living a red pill life. The red pill is about accepting the harsh realities of life and then working with them to have great success. This can be a very bitter process, learning that many you trusted were unknowingly lying to you. They were not being malicious, they were just passing on the same false information they were taught. But once you learn to accept these facts of life and then work with them and then see real improvement, the bitterness goes away and it is replaced with eternal optimism. Today I look forward to waking up every day to work to get better. To answer challenges. To display my dominance in all personal interactions through posture, through voice tone and cadence, through eye contact and nonverbal communication. To become a better man than I was the day before.

If you are defending Obama, as bad as he has been, IMO you have not fully accepted the red pill. Obama has been a complete disaster, especially for lower and middle class men. I doubt there is anyone on this forum with the hundreds of millions it would take to be above the disaster Obama has pushed on men in the western world. This is fine, like I said it is a long and tough process. But if you are defending Obama, I hope you continue to reflect upon yourself and work to accept the red pill beliefs.

It is so liberating to accept the red pill. The view on the mountain top is unbelievable. But I cannot give it to you, I can only hope to inspire you to reach it for yourself.

I was wanting to get out of the US 20 years ago. Obama may have, to some degree accelerated the trend, but the apple was rotting a long time ago, and will continue to rot long after he is gone from office.
I wanted John McCain to win 2008, but he would have done little to curb the tide on the con job done on American men.

Obama isn't the only person to blame, far from it. And no one here is saying that. Hell, Obama is just a puppet to the global elites, nothing more.

But when asked "is Obama that bad" on a red pill forum, the only answer is "hell yes he is".

McCain is a disaster as well, and Trump has shown that the GOP says all the right things but then never really works to achieve most of it. It is Trump or kiss this good life good bye.

This pretty much sums it up right here. Clearly Obama has been the SJWs wet dream and their rise in prominence over the last 7 years is not any sort of coincidence, along with all the other problems that Obama has created that many posters have detailed. I mean, just look at his limp and pathetic reaction to the Paris attacks. Its a microcosm of his entire presidency.

Post: #52

(11-20-2015 01:57 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:30 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:46 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Obamacare is pretty much a failure. He's done significant damage to race relations. He's trying to bring in tens of thousands of Syrians into the country. Played a major role in destabilizing Syria to begin with. Passed TPP. Has done less to combat ISIS than Russia (and he's obviously gone easy on them on due to his own agenda). Is trying to destroy our 2nd amendment rights. Hasn't really improved the economy. Terrible Iran deal that didn't even get us back our US citizens being held captive. Trading the Taliban five of their people for one of ours, who was a traitor to begin with.

Aside from killing Bin Laden, he hasn't done shit good for the country. And it isn't as if a different president wouldn't have got Bin Laden just the same. It isn't like he was out there tracking him down himself.

Ok Nomad point by point.
1. Race Relations.....it has been a joke ever since the 80s in the US. I am sure you remember high school or a college campus.
2. Refugees.....see what Reagan did in the 80s or since the 60s in the US with Cubans.
3, TPP vs. NAFTA?
4, ISIS exists because there was no greater recruitment tool ever for Muslim "warriors" than invading Iraq.
5. 2nd amendment. It has been a joke in the US for several decades.
6. There could have been another Great Depression, as much as people forget 2008.
7. Iran deal. It is a harsh region. You either go to war and bomb, or try some semblance of diplomacy.
8. Details about specific captive negotiations I agree, should have been dealt with better.

Taking bad race relations and making them even worse isn't a win for Obama.

Cubans and Reagan have absolutely nothing to do with Syrian or Muslim refugees. It's irrelevant if what Reagan did was good or bad. Obama letting in tens of thousands of Syrians is a horrible idea.

TPP and NAFTA are both bad. Previous presidents had made bad decisions. That doesn't mean Obama's aren't also shit. NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that TPP is bad for America.

Again, invading Iraq has no bearing on whether Obama has done a good job (he hasn't) in combating ISIS.

You're calling the 2nd amendment a joke? The only joke is people who are too short sighted and naive to understand just how important the 2nd amendment is.

Iran deal was a bad deal. He could have struck a better deal without going to war. It isn't black or white.

You seem to think that because previous presidents have made mistakes that it means Obama hasn't. I don't follow your logic at all. We are not debating Bush vs Obama. We are debating if Obama is "that bad", and he is. Frankly, you don't even appear capable of having a logical debate on the topic with these responses you are coming up with. You're just trying to use misdirection and bringing up irrelevant topics like Cubans and Reagan.

In order to make a fair assessment of a president you have to make comparisons with the past, and with other presidents.
1. Race relations are worse now, than in the past in the US?. Not. Try living in the US in the 1960s or New York in the 1980s.
Obama does not make most whites feel better with some of his behavior, but that is mostly superficial compared to the overall problem. No president can prevent what is inevitable in a society like ours.
2. One can argue that letting in thousands of muslim refugees is nothing to the amnesty that Reagan allowed to millions, in the 1980s.
3. The whole middle east is a sinkhole. I do agree with you that he didn't handle the Syrian problem well. But I don't see any other American president being able to have made any real difference, after the mess of the Iraq War.
4. Clinton is considered a goof president and he pushed and won for NAFTA. Does that mean this TPP is a good deal for America? I don't know because I have not studied the issue well, but I don't like globalization. Under Romney TPP would have passed too.
5. About the 2nd amendment. If the US government really wanted to enslave its citizens would owning a gun or even a missile launcher, protect you from the US military.
I am all for gun ownership. just some people exaggerate about how important it is. At least IMO.
6. The Iran situation is so complex....only history will tell if Obama did the right thing.
And Nomad don't ever tell me I am not capable. We can argue subjects and have differences of opinion all day long. That is all good. Just tell me your reasons that you disagree and that is where good debates arise.
I see a lot of superficiality in your train of thought too, but we are not writing books. We are only writing quick thoughts in an internet forum.

Post: #53

My point in this thread, is that the shithouse was going down in flames, no matter what. Obama is just a symptom, not a root cause...unlike what many believe.

Post: #54

I hope Donald Trump becomes president. I will vote for him if I happen to be in the US. But I think most of us expats know.. that it will not affect one bit, are decision to get the hell away from the US.

Post: #55

Every president since over a century is a globalist stooge - he is not responsible for all the policies - they are mostly given to him. He follows the script.

Still - he is in addition bad due to his stark pussy-fied status. He is probably really gay and married a woman who could easily pass for a tranny.

In any case - even if you have a traitor and figurehead as a president, it's an even greater offense if he is such a wuss:



But I guess a gay Muslim who was born and grew up in Indonesia is indeed very grateful for the job. The elite had bad experiences with letting sons of super-rich pwoerful families taking over - they actually behaved like they didn't give a shit. (And I am not talking about Bush - rather Kennedy)

Post: #56

(11-20-2015 12:32 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 01:57 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:30 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:46 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Obamacare is pretty much a failure. He's done significant damage to race relations. He's trying to bring in tens of thousands of Syrians into the country. Played a major role in destabilizing Syria to begin with. Passed TPP. Has done less to combat ISIS than Russia (and he's obviously gone easy on them on due to his own agenda). Is trying to destroy our 2nd amendment rights. Hasn't really improved the economy. Terrible Iran deal that didn't even get us back our US citizens being held captive. Trading the Taliban five of their people for one of ours, who was a traitor to begin with.

Aside from killing Bin Laden, he hasn't done shit good for the country. And it isn't as if a different president wouldn't have got Bin Laden just the same. It isn't like he was out there tracking him down himself.

Ok Nomad point by point.
1. Race Relations.....it has been a joke ever since the 80s in the US. I am sure you remember high school or a college campus.
2. Refugees.....see what Reagan did in the 80s or since the 60s in the US with Cubans.
3, TPP vs. NAFTA?
4, ISIS exists because there was no greater recruitment tool ever for Muslim "warriors" than invading Iraq.
5. 2nd amendment. It has been a joke in the US for several decades.
6. There could have been another Great Depression, as much as people forget 2008.
7. Iran deal. It is a harsh region. You either go to war and bomb, or try some semblance of diplomacy.
8. Details about specific captive negotiations I agree, should have been dealt with better.

Taking bad race relations and making them even worse isn't a win for Obama.

Cubans and Reagan have absolutely nothing to do with Syrian or Muslim refugees. It's irrelevant if what Reagan did was good or bad. Obama letting in tens of thousands of Syrians is a horrible idea.

TPP and NAFTA are both bad. Previous presidents had made bad decisions. That doesn't mean Obama's aren't also shit. NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that TPP is bad for America.

Again, invading Iraq has no bearing on whether Obama has done a good job (he hasn't) in combating ISIS.

You're calling the 2nd amendment a joke? The only joke is people who are too short sighted and naive to understand just how important the 2nd amendment is.

Iran deal was a bad deal. He could have struck a better deal without going to war. It isn't black or white.

You seem to think that because previous presidents have made mistakes that it means Obama hasn't. I don't follow your logic at all. We are not debating Bush vs Obama. We are debating if Obama is "that bad", and he is. Frankly, you don't even appear capable of having a logical debate on the topic with these responses you are coming up with. You're just trying to use misdirection and bringing up irrelevant topics like Cubans and Reagan.

In order to make a fair assessment of a president you have to make comparisons with the past, and with other presidents.
1. Race relations are worse now, than in the past in the US?. Not. Try living in the US in the 1960s or New York in the 1980s.
Obama does not make most whites feel better with some of his behavior, but that is mostly superficial compared to the overall problem. No president can prevent what is inevitable in a society like ours.
2. One can argue that letting in thousands of muslim refugees is nothing to the amnesty that Reagan allowed to millions, in the 1980s.
3. The whole middle east is a sinkhole. I do agree with you that he didn't handle the Syrian problem well. But I don't see any other American president being able to have made any real difference, after the mess of the Iraq War.
4. Clinton is considered a goof president and he pushed and won for NAFTA. Does that mean this TPP is a good deal for America? I don't know because I have not studied the issue well, but I don't like globalization. Under Romney TPP would have passed too.
5. About the 2nd amendment. If the US government really wanted to enslave its citizens would owning a gun or even a missile launcher, protect you from the US military.
I am all for gun ownership. just some people exaggerate about how important it is. At least IMO.
6. The Iran situation is so complex....only history will tell if Obama did the right thing.
And Nomad don't ever tell me I am not capable. We can argue subjects and have differences of opinion all day long. That is all good. Just tell me your reasons that you disagree and that is where good debates arise.
I see a lot of superficiality in your train of thought too, but we are not writing books. We are only writing quick thoughts in an internet forum.

1. Are race relation worse now than the 60s? I don't know, I wasn't alive then, and it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. What is relevant is that they are worse than they were before Obama took office, so he gets a loss here. Since taking office race relations have deteriorated and he played a big part in that.

2. Again, just like I already stated before, it is irrelevant if Reagan or Obama are worse in regards to immigration. Obama is still bad. I don't see how you can't comprehend this. Just because someone in the history of the country may have been worse, doesn't mean Obama isn't bad. Letting in tens of thousands of Syrians is obviously a danger to our country. See France.

3. I agree most US presidents probably would have fucked shit up in Syria as well, which is why I am not voting for any career politicians (unless Ron Paul were running). But yet again, this doesn't mean Obama did good. It just means he followed his puppet masters commands, and that was bad.

4. Yet again (and again and again and again), Clinton making mistakes, or Romney theoretically making mistakes, doesn't mean Obama did well and didn't make a mistake. Do you actually understand what I mean by this? Obama can do bad, even if someone else before him did bad also. I think this isn't sinking in for some reason.

5. 330 million armed Americans would be the largest guerrilla force in the history of the world, and the most well armed. Not to mention a large percentage of US military would take up arms against the traitors (government) and fight with the people. If you don't understand how 330 million armed Americans (and all of the military who would fight with them) could defend themselves against what would be left of the US Army I think you may want to read about the Viet Cong.

6. Yes, only history will tell. He has still left US prisoners there to rot and negotiated with terrorists in releasing the Taliban 5 in an obviously lopsided deal.

Using your main argument I could say Obama did horribly here because Reagan (who you keep bringing up) is much better than Obama because he had 52 American hostages released MINUTES after being sworn into office. But yet again, this wouldn't be relevant to whether or not Obama's deal was good.

"And Nomad don't ever tell me I am not capable. We can argue subjects and have differences of opinion all day long. That is all good. Just tell me your reasons that you disagree and that is where good debates arise."

I agree, a difference of opinion and explaining why we disagree on the topic at hand is a good debate. You constantly trying to change what we are actaully debating and trying to argue that Obama is good because Reagan (or whoever) is bad isn't a part of this debate, and is completely irrelevant. Reagan's bad moves don't automatically make Obama's good. Does that make sense?

Here's my analogy for the day, if I feed someone dogshit, and then feed them dirt, the dirt isn't good just because the dogshit was bad, they are both terrible things to eat.

Post: #57

He instituted fist bump as the official president's greeting in the White House.

Which symbolized and in plain sight illustrated (if anyone had any latent doubts) full Zionist takeover completion of the transition from the old world order based on white race-led traditions, power and prosperity, to the new world order based on multi-culty suicide feelgoodz degeneracy powered via online "likes", herd sheepling, and incessant narcissism and attention whoring.





















Though he (cheeky bastard) fooled Sarkozy here:








































Oh and let's not forget:

Post: #58

Let's not all forget the Bank/Wall Street Bailouts of 2008, the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world, with the government propping up the entire private banking industry with our money, making them too big to fail. Of course it was a couple months before Obama was sworn in, and while Bush was still a lame duck president, but basically Obama was the Chosen One at that point and He & Bush forever sold us all out to the banks and Wall Street money boys to secure his power. It was the biggest robbery in the history of the world, it betrayed every notion of free market capitalism that we preach in this country, and it gave Wall Street and the banks carte blanche to continue fucking us all over and to make even more obscene amounts of money while doing it. Millions of people lost most of their wealth in property values, 401ks, stocks, and many other assets instantly. It put us into a depression that we may not have even recovered from to this day, and it has created an even bigger bubble of interest and inflation on the horizon that we will all have to face very soon with our nation's debt reaching the point of no return. Feminism, race relations, immigration, gun control are many areas he has failed as well, but I don't think it gets any worse than the Great Robbery. The country was killed financially before he was even sworn into office, and we have all been on ObamaCare life support since then.

Post: #59

This will warm the hearts of all you cynical bastards.

Post: #60

^
At first i thought that was a joke with fake captioning, but the words that i understood lined up with the captions.

Edit: Apparently it is a spoof. Sometimes i wish i knew Arabic.

Post: #61

In a nutshell:

Is Obama that bad? No.

He's worse.

Post: #62

(11-20-2015 02:19 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 12:32 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 01:57 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:30 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:46 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Obamacare is pretty much a failure. He's done significant damage to race relations. He's trying to bring in tens of thousands of Syrians into the country. Played a major role in destabilizing Syria to begin with. Passed TPP. Has done less to combat ISIS than Russia (and he's obviously gone easy on them on due to his own agenda). Is trying to destroy our 2nd amendment rights. Hasn't really improved the economy. Terrible Iran deal that didn't even get us back our US citizens being held captive. Trading the Taliban five of their people for one of ours, who was a traitor to begin with.

Aside from killing Bin Laden, he hasn't done shit good for the country. And it isn't as if a different president wouldn't have got Bin Laden just the same. It isn't like he was out there tracking him down himself.

Ok Nomad point by point.
1. Race Relations.....it has been a joke ever since the 80s in the US. I am sure you remember high school or a college campus.
2. Refugees.....see what Reagan did in the 80s or since the 60s in the US with Cubans.
3, TPP vs. NAFTA?
4, ISIS exists because there was no greater recruitment tool ever for Muslim "warriors" than invading Iraq.
5. 2nd amendment. It has been a joke in the US for several decades.
6. There could have been another Great Depression, as much as people forget 2008.
7. Iran deal. It is a harsh region. You either go to war and bomb, or try some semblance of diplomacy.
8. Details about specific captive negotiations I agree, should have been dealt with better.

Taking bad race relations and making them even worse isn't a win for Obama.

Cubans and Reagan have absolutely nothing to do with Syrian or Muslim refugees. It's irrelevant if what Reagan did was good or bad. Obama letting in tens of thousands of Syrians is a horrible idea.

TPP and NAFTA are both bad. Previous presidents had made bad decisions. That doesn't mean Obama's aren't also shit. NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that TPP is bad for America.

Again, invading Iraq has no bearing on whether Obama has done a good job (he hasn't) in combating ISIS.

You're calling the 2nd amendment a joke? The only joke is people who are too short sighted and naive to understand just how important the 2nd amendment is.

Iran deal was a bad deal. He could have struck a better deal without going to war. It isn't black or white.

You seem to think that because previous presidents have made mistakes that it means Obama hasn't. I don't follow your logic at all. We are not debating Bush vs Obama. We are debating if Obama is "that bad", and he is. Frankly, you don't even appear capable of having a logical debate on the topic with these responses you are coming up with. You're just trying to use misdirection and bringing up irrelevant topics like Cubans and Reagan.

In order to make a fair assessment of a president you have to make comparisons with the past, and with other presidents.
1. Race relations are worse now, than in the past in the US?. Not. Try living in the US in the 1960s or New York in the 1980s.
Obama does not make most whites feel better with some of his behavior, but that is mostly superficial compared to the overall problem. No president can prevent what is inevitable in a society like ours.
2. One can argue that letting in thousands of muslim refugees is nothing to the amnesty that Reagan allowed to millions, in the 1980s.
3. The whole middle east is a sinkhole. I do agree with you that he didn't handle the Syrian problem well. But I don't see any other American president being able to have made any real difference, after the mess of the Iraq War.
4. Clinton is considered a goof president and he pushed and won for NAFTA. Does that mean this TPP is a good deal for America? I don't know because I have not studied the issue well, but I don't like globalization. Under Romney TPP would have passed too.
5. About the 2nd amendment. If the US government really wanted to enslave its citizens would owning a gun or even a missile launcher, protect you from the US military.
I am all for gun ownership. just some people exaggerate about how important it is. At least IMO.
6. The Iran situation is so complex....only history will tell if Obama did the right thing.
And Nomad don't ever tell me I am not capable. We can argue subjects and have differences of opinion all day long. That is all good. Just tell me your reasons that you disagree and that is where good debates arise.
I see a lot of superficiality in your train of thought too, but we are not writing books. We are only writing quick thoughts in an internet forum.

1. Are race relation worse now than the 60s? I don't know, I wasn't alive then, and it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. What is relevant is that they are worse than they were before Obama took office, so he gets a loss here. Since taking office race relations have deteriorated and he played a big part in that.

2. Again, just like I already stated before, it is irrelevant if Reagan or Obama are worse in regards to immigration. Obama is still bad. I don't see how you can't comprehend this. Just because someone in the history of the country may have been worse, doesn't mean Obama isn't bad. Letting in tens of thousands of Syrians is obviously a danger to our country. See France.

3. I agree most US presidents probably would have fucked shit up in Syria as well, which is why I am not voting for any career politicians (unless Ron Paul were running). But yet again, this doesn't mean Obama did good. It just means he followed his puppet masters commands, and that was bad.

4. Yet again (and again and again and again), Clinton making mistakes, or Romney theoretically making mistakes, doesn't mean Obama did well and didn't make a mistake. Do you actually understand what I mean by this? Obama can do bad, even if someone else before him did bad also. I think this isn't sinking in for some reason.

5. 330 million armed Americans would be the largest guerrilla force in the history of the world, and the most well armed. Not to mention a large percentage of US military would take up arms against the traitors (government) and fight with the people. If you don't understand how 330 million armed Americans (and all of the military who would fight with them) could defend themselves against what would be left of the US Army I think you may want to read about the Viet Cong.

6. Yes, only history will tell. He has still left US prisoners there to rot and negotiated with terrorists in releasing the Taliban 5 in an obviously lopsided deal.

Using your main argument I could say Obama did horribly here because Reagan (who you keep bringing up) is much better than Obama because he had 52 American hostages released MINUTES after being sworn into office. But yet again, this wouldn't be relevant to whether or not Obama's deal was good.

"And Nomad don't ever tell me I am not capable. We can argue subjects and have differences of opinion all day long. That is all good. Just tell me your reasons that you disagree and that is where good debates arise."

I agree, a difference of opinion and explaining why we disagree on the topic at hand is a good debate. You constantly trying to change what we are actaully debating and trying to argue that Obama is good because Reagan (or whoever) is bad isn't a part of this debate, and is completely irrelevant. Reagan's bad moves don't automatically make Obama's good. Does that make sense?

Here's my analogy for the day, if I feed someone dogshit, and then feed them dirt, the dirt isn't good just because the dogshit was bad, they are both terrible things to eat.

Kick me in the knee Nomad, but not where it matters.
My main point was America it is what is.... no matter what president.
You don't know enough history but that is ok.
I don't like Obama. Simple as that. But I can only compare more than judge.

Post: #63

For example Nomad, I don't believe that Nixon was that bad of a president But, who cares about history.
I will just go read Tacitus tonight.

Post: #64

(11-20-2015 02:46 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Obama as president is a 180° degree turn from his book The Audacity of Hope, in which he struck me as an intelligent but most of all benevolent person willing to stand up for principles.

I can't prove it, but I truly think any president, no matter how idealistic he is, is given "the talk" within the first week by some very powerful people. I don't think the buck stops at the president. I think there are powerful agencies he has to satiate, and if he doesn't, he'll get the JFK treatment. These agencies may be some combination of the Israeli lobby, the military-industrial complex, big Oil, the global banks, trade lobbyists, and big pharma. Someone like Ron Paul would never be elected, and if he did, he'd either quickly moderate his policies or something would "happen" to him. The difficult job of a president is to navigate between his true values and those with the true power and money calling the shots behind the scenes.

Post: #65

(11-20-2015 02:36 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  He instituted fist bump as the official president's greeting in the White House.

Which symbolized and in plain sight illustrated (if anyone had any latent doubts) full Zionist takeover completion of the transition from the old world order based on white race-led traditions, power and prosperity, to the new world order based on multi-culty suicide feelgoodz degeneracy powered via online "likes", herd sheepling, and incessant narcissism and attention whoring.

Dude, you're getting that hysterical over a fist-bump? Lol. Though I do agree with you on him sharing "Caitlyn" Jenner's tweet. Fuck that.

Post: #66

(11-20-2015 02:36 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  He instituted fist bump as the official president's greeting in the White House.

Which symbolized and in plain sight illustrated (if anyone had any latent doubts) full Zionist takeover completion of the transition from the old world order based on white race-led traditions, power and prosperity, to the new world order based on multi-culty suicide feelgoodz degeneracy powered via online "likes", herd sheepling, and incessant narcissism and attention whoring.





















Though he (cheeky bastard) fooled Sarkozy here:








































Oh and let's not forget:

We can show pics of George W. Bush and laugh too.
What America was and is would not have mattered much, no matter the president or party. I got out a long time ago.

Post: #67

I think he was fine until the last 2 years when he went weak on ISIS and the bills came due from all his SJW lobby groups.

Post: #68

(11-20-2015 02:36 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  He instituted fist bump as the official president's greeting in the White House

Gay Kenyan aside.
Fist-bumps are technically more hygienic...

Post: #69

I was thinking that too. If I had a choice to shake hands all day long or fist bump, Im going with fist bump its much more hygenic.

Also, did anybody see the comedy The Interview where the premise was to assasinate North Korea's leader with poison administered via handshake. Might not be too farfetched. If i was POTUS I would want to minimize that risk.

Post: #70

As far as Obama and race relations, Bush's term was not hailed as a racial utopia in America either. Katrina being a huge example.

Mccain would NOT have done a better job in closing the "racial divide" than Obama has. Obama didnt create more racists whether black, white or brown.

If you were racist in 2007, then you're still racist in 2015 you just may be more vocal about it now. Obama however did fail to "heal" centuries old racial problems like some wrongly and naively assumed he or any one man could. So yes, I would give Obama a failing grade on racial issues and George Bush as well.

The police brutality, murders etc would have came to light no matter who we elected. It was inevitable due to the increase of continual surveillance technology. Twitter would have grown just as big as it has and their would still be a black lives matter movement or something similar.

The main thing I fault Obama with is pandering incessantly to women, homosexuals and feminists. They voted for him so I understand why he does it, still cant support it. We can be sure Romney wouldn't have done any of that stuff.

Post: #71

Yes.

Next question...

Post: #72

(11-21-2015 12:51 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 02:36 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  He instituted fist bump as the official president's greeting in the White House

Gay Kenyan aside.
Fist-bumps are technically more hygienic...

Hand shakes are manly. Stop being a sissy.

Post: #73

If we didn't have Obama, we would have Hillary. Can you even imagine what the past 4-8 years would have been like if that happened? Luckily, his victim status was higher, so we got the lesser of two evils.
I see him as being necessary, if he didn't agree and amplify every bullshit non-problem the collegiate came up with, then it would have been snuck in through the basement fairly unknown to everyone. Almost like Trump paid him to be such a useless fuck up that his presidency is anything but assured.

If I was president, I would have been 100 times worse, on purpose. Exaggerate the made-up problems so much that crazy new laws had to be made to 'fix' them. Show everyone the results of the [insert favourite]-ism they profess to love.
The wrecking ball needs to swing out before the building comes down.

Post: #74

It's a bit strange reading about Americans complaining about America. I have never been there but here in Africa it is a lot of people's dream to live in America. The biggest gang out here is called, the Americans. Maybe it is just the movies that make it seem so glamorous.

Post: #75

(11-21-2015 06:06 AM)Pride male Wrote:  It's a bit strange reading about Americans complaining about America. I have never been there but here in Africa it is a lot of people's dream to live in America. The biggest gang out here is called, the Americans. Maybe it is just the movies that make it seem so glamorous.

Yep. Visited last year.
Hollywood boulevard, most of Vegas, Cleveland OH.
Not glamorous at all & dodgy as buggery.

La Jolla, Central Park & Hermosa Beach were nice though.