(02-22-2017 02:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Also for all the guys who say the right has "no platform"...

What do you think 4chan and 8chan are? These sites are massive and draw insane traffic. The strict free speech makes it a natural home for the right.

4chan: 6.4 million visits a day, estimated worth 661 million. http://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/4chan.org/

8chan: 94K visits a day, estimated 2.3 million. http://www.worthofweb.com/website-value/8ch.net/

The fact is our side is massive, but it's shunned from the institutions. 4chan represents the plebeian masses while 8chan is the elite vanguard of the right. The growth of both of these sites is strong. As long as they remain I'd say the right always has a platform for speech. It just lacks a way to make money.

This is what I'm talking about though, sure we have the
"platforms" but that's not enough. What we need is:

Our own economy. Our own companies, our own industries, our own fast food restaurants, our own starbucks that will never bow to leftist pressures, our own bankers that wont lend to people that cant pay things back, our own products daily products to support etc etc. .

There is a limit to our current platform when we have to worry about funding from companies that don't share our values, so that when they get a little bit of pressure that gets pulled.

You mentioned 4chan. . .well

We DO have some of these, but no one uses it.

We have our own Youtube: http://www.minds.com
We have our own twitter: https://gab.ai/
We have our own Reddit: Voat.co
We even have our of 4chan: 8chan

All of these are free speech outlets, all we need now are companies that champion free speech that sell our daily necessities. It seems like almost every week we have to boycott a new company because of their censorship, well eventually we're going to run out of companies and to boycott. Thing is, we really shouldn't NEED to boycott companies. Instead, we should have our OWN companies that value the values of the right, while not shunning customers of ANY ideology, unless an ideology intends to break the law of course.

THEN we need to organize, just like the left has done. We belief our values make a successful nation as well as strong economy, so we should be able to EASILY overpower companies that don't, just through sheer profit gained from making higher quality products and services.

This provides the anti-fragility we need.

We have our own networks. . .but they're on google(youtube) even though we have our own youtube equivalent that no one really uses. Honestly we have enough people that follow many right winged people on youtube that we could ALL move them to Minds and render youtube useless immediately, or at least provide some actual competition. Hell, most people dont even put their vids on BOTH places, so that when the youtube heroes finally get a video de-monitized or taken down entirely it can be game over for them!

Letting your opposition hold this kind of power over you is silly and needs to end.

Im glad that Milo is finally getting his act together on that front, and I hope that others start doing the same.

Milo comes off badly in the press conference. He is blaming the left far too much. This kind of press conference will only encourage them. Meanwhile, it doesn't embolden his own allies.

There are some topics that you just have to avoid nowadays because the media will twist your comments no matter what you say. This was one of them.

His apology brings back memories of when the Dixie Chicks apologized back in 2003 after they said they were embarrassed to be from the state as Bush.

(02-22-2017 02:03 PM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  Richard Spencer and Nick Griffin (the British version of the former) are trading tweets about Roosh and Milo

Would link but I'm on my phone

I had a look through Spencer's timeline and couldn't see anything.

Sargon of Akkad's twitter was on the Milo issue this week and here's a video addressing the MIlo and Pewdiepie fallouts

(02-22-2017 02:48 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Most Americans under 30 don't watch TV anymore.

At home maybe not, but they seem to in public televisions in bars, restaurants, and also still watch the system's movies, read mainstream websites, etc, not to mention are highly propagandized by the 'educational system'.. And over-30 people are the vast majority of voters and holders of wealth and position, and will be for some time.

(02-22-2017 06:21 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-22-2017 04:43 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  Why would they fix something that is not broken?

'The Hummingbirds' flamed out with their second album a year later, because Grunge had hit and they look liked the Wiggles. REM lost 8 million of their 'new' fans by their following album, and entered a period of increasingly-diminishing returns ever after.

This is just how the process works. Everyone is faced with a choice to abandon their original audience in terms of wider popularity. If Breitbart chooses to go the 'day-glo retards acting like toddlers' route, that's their choice. I'll find something else to read.

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As a digression on art and mass appeal in general, my take on this is that we're long past the concept of a Monoculture with Mass Appeal for All. Netflix - as toxic as the staff is - recognises Niche is now king, hence "Dear White People" and reviving Cult Shows. In a time of Universal Blandness, it is working your own unique niche with your own original voice, rough edges and all, that is more likely to appeal to a loyal, committed audience of people rather than being interchangeable with everyone else. This loyal, committed audience will spend money on your work - the mass market will download it for free.

This is why I end up taking some unfashionable roads with my music: I'm not concerned with what's popular but by following where the art is leading, and 'fashion' is transient anyway: what's currently-trendy (used to) sound really dated even a few years later, until the great stagnation of popular art hit in the late 2000's. What I can be is uniquely-me, and if consumers want more of it, I'm their only source. Contrast with modern culture, where the same 5 production teams are writing for Beyonce, Katy Perry, Rhianna, Madonna, etc.

I've noticed I fell into a working pattern of determining whether a song was 'good' by this rule: could anyone else have written this? Of course, this means a large part of the population is going to respond with "What the fuck is this?" but those people who do get it are going to lovingly-embrace it: "This is exactly what was missing in my life."

They are portrayed as song writers and authors, but they have a team working behind making everything for them, Beyonce does not writes anything and she copies many older dancers and singers, even to go as far as to copy entire idea for a video.





Pharrell William Happy 2013 video is a clone from a girl's video from 2011.





Will.I.Am tried to copy the dance style from Japan group World Order




Today's biggest consumer are kids and teenagers, people who can be made to believe anything, you can pass copy of material from other people and they will assume their favorite singer really made all of that.

A lt of what is passed as great art today by big famous people is many times copies of other people's work, smaller artists have their work copied by big corporations all the time.

The pedo stuff was only the prelude. Now they are bringing out the real dirt:

Quote:Milo Yiannopoulos 'threw a hissy fit about his hair and makeup before press conference where he resigned from Breitbart'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-hair.html

Quote:Sources claim the controversial 'super villain of the internet' wanted his image right before the press conference.
One told the New York Post: 'He was stressing out about hair and makeup. He was also trying to get a doctor to give him a B12 shot.'

Imagine that, a gay man worried about how he looks.

I am surprised they were honest about the B12. Better headline would have said he was trying to shoot up before the press conference.

(02-22-2017 09:29 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Milo comes off badly in the press conference. He is blaming the left far too much. This kind of press conference will only encourage them. Meanwhile, it doesn't embolden his own allies.

There are some topics that you just have to avoid nowadays because the media will twist your comments no matter what you say. This was one of them.

His apology brings back memories of when the Dixie Chicks apologized back in 2003 after they said they were embarrassed to be from the state as Bush.

Now that the skeletons have been placed in the town square he needs to move forward. One can atone for comments, forgiveness exists.

Important to remember that the most vicious executioners in the public arena are the ones with the most to hide.

Vox Day gave a one-hour Gab-video conference the day after Milo's resignation speech.

1. Even though Vox Day proclaims as the first rule of response to an SJWs attack is, "Never apologize!", Milo did an excellent job of apologizing solely to the victims of child abuse who may have been hurt by his remarks. He didn't apologize to the media, nor the establishment; he told them "Fuck you".

2. Milo's fall emphasizes that you should never talk to the media.

3. Joe Rogan is a piece of shit, because he led Milo to talk about those points - and then left him out to dry during the controversy.

4. More than ever, we need our own free-speech-is-absolute alternative-tech, and he is leading a group of individuals who want to replace Reddit, Twitter, and (holy shit) Facebook.

I want to clarify what I meant by saying the invocation of the First Amendment is a "red herring" in this discussion.

Since it might be an antiquated term, a "red herring" is defined as an issue meant to distract from the original issue.

The original issue here is the subversion and inconsistency of Milo's endorsement of sexual relationships between older men and younger boys with conservative principles, developmental psychology, traditional morality, or masculinity.

The First Amendment is irrelevant to this argument because the First Amendment is operating exactly the way it is supposed to. There is no government intervention in this controversy. Nobody has been arrested, banned from a "public forum" as defined by First Amendment law, or even sued.

Milo said sex between younger boys and older men could be beneficial to the boys: Milo exercises his First Amendment rights without government interference.

CPAC cancels Milo's speech before CPAC: CPAC exercises its First Amendment rights without government interference.

Simon and Shuster cancels the publication of Milo's book under its imprint: Simon and Shuster exercises its First Amendment rights without government interference.

There is no First Amendment issue here. Do I have to repeat the truth that the First Amendment protects your right to speak, not the criticism, opprobrium and shunning that your speech might provoke?

On the subject of what QC called "good faith" advocacy to lower the age of consent: what is "good faith?" We know that political advocacy does not always state the true motive for a political change.

Lowering the age of consent is often framed as a "rights" issue. Of course, this is a main talking point of NAMBLA and whatever pedo lobby there is.

There are real issues with age of consent laws, most places in USA and Canada it's 16, in a few crazy places it's 18. But "good faith" can't be presumed in Milo's argument.

Nobody is going to say that "I want the age of consent to be lowered so I can seduce naive and trusting 13 year olds and fuck them."

I think it's just a very bad idea to ever discuss age of consent laws, especially going below 16. The fact is we have Laws that must be applicable to all and it just so happens that age of consent is a thing. So there must be a limit, and there is, and that is that.

I think Milo got more fame and recognition than he deserved for what little originality he brought to the Alt-Right. This was a guy just rebranding red-pill alt-right ideas he found (probably online), and I would say it is a boon to us that he got pulled down.

Everything about this article reads like a blatant lie. It's like they're not even trying now.

Vox: Meet the 16-year-old Canadian girl who took down Milo Yiannopoulos

Quote: How a 16-year-old took down Milo
Julia closely follows political news from her home in Canada, with a deep interest in American politics. She has been particularly alarmed by the recent rise of Yiannopoulos and others like him. So as soon as she heard Yiannopoulos would speak at CPAC, she was appalled.

Then an old moment popped in her head. She remembered hearing an obscure podcast, the Drunken Peasants, in which Yiannopoulos, responding to a video by YouTube pundit Kevin Logan, defended the idea of “13-year-olds” having sex with “older men,” arguing that child molestation provided a “sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship” for teenagers.

Her memory was right. She found the July 2016 clip.

She didn’t think she’d have much luck spreading the news herself with her small Twitter following, so she contacted a conservative outlet to get the story out. She figured a liberal outlet would have less credibility among CPAC followers.

She landed on the previously not-very-well-known conservative blog Reagan Battalion, which, after a bit of back and forth, tweeted out the video — leading not just to CPAC canceling Yiannopoulos’s speech, but to Simon & Schuster pulling his already controversial book deal and his resignation from Breitbart.

The actual message is hidden at the end: "Listen to our warning and don't think you can take us on, or we'll destroy you too"

Quote:Consider CPAC’s position: They thought they would get away with inviting someone as inflammatory as Yiannopoulos, despite his past bigoted remarks. In doing this, they were pushing the boundaries of the acceptable — potentially letting a hateful man speak in detail about his ideas on a mainstream conservative stage, supposedly in the defense of free speech.

Then it all backfired. And CPAC, along with Yiannopoulos’s publishers and Breitbart, disowned him.

If you’re an organization like CPAC looking at all of this, it will probably make you think twice about giving someone like Yiannopoulos a platform. Maybe these reactionaries really are a dangerous kind of breed of conservatism, and they should be treated as such.

The Canadian teenager said she hopes this is the lesson conservatives draw from the Yiannopoulos debacle. And more broadly, she hopes that her actions will push groups like CPAC to stand up for traditionally conservative values instead of embracing provocative figures just because they attack the left.

“You shouldn’t have to feel intimidated to stand up for what you believe in,” she said. “Hopefully they’ll realize that you can’t keep being this reactionary movement — if you can even call it that. You can’t just keep looking for enemies to attack and pointing the finger. Eventually, you have to stand up for something.”

I think the end result of all this is good for our team. Milo was making noises like he was trying to re brand himself and make a softer image to segway into the mainstream. Now, he has no choice but to nail his colours to the mast and come out with all guns blazing. Its going to be interesting to see what happens next

Has everyone forgotten about this story from back in December 2016 ?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-06...ty-lecture

Quote:Milo Yiannopoulos Told Not to Speak of “Pizzagate” During Miami University Lecture

by Tyler Durden
Dec 7, 2016 2:45 AM


Submitted by Joseph Jankowski of PlanetFreeWill.com

During the introduction to his lecture at Miami University on Monday, Breitbart News journalist and technology editor Milo Yiannopoulos informed the crowd that he was unable to address the highly controversial topic of “Pizzagate” because he had received phone calls from Washington D.C. that told him “not yet.” “We are going to talk this evening about a few things that are close to my heart,” Milo told his audience. “Although, I have one announcement to make which is that sadly when I announced I was going to be speaking about Pizzagate this evening, I got a number of phone calls with Washington D.C. area codes saying ‘not yet.'”

For those unfamiliar, Pizzagate is a wildly-popular conspiracy theory that centers around leaked emails from former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta that some believe contain pedophilic lingo. “Pizzagate subreddit was started by a group of Trump-supporting internet sleuths who were attempting to use WikiLeaks’ leaked Podesta emails to connect the Clintons and John Podesta to the convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein,” Zero Hedge wrote of Pizzagate. “That said, when the Podesta emails failed to reveal a “smoking gun” linkage, the sleuths instead turned their focus to mulitple “pizza” references in Podesta’s emails which then led to the speculation that those “pizza” references must be code for something far more sinister.” The Washington Post says the “Pizzagate” sleuths are convinced that the “secret headquarters of a child sex-trafficking ring run by Hillary Clinton and members of her inner circle” is located in the basement of a Washington D.C. pizza shop called Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria.

Yiannopoulos put out a flyer for his Miami speech on Monday afternoon which advertised that he would be addressing the conspiracy theory. “I can tell you with no ego, this will be my finest show,” Milo wrote on his Facebook page.




It is currently unknown who called Milo and told him not to discuss the Pizzagate controversy but it might have something to do with the incident that occurred on Sunday when a man walked into Comet Ping Pong with a gun. The man told police he had come to the restaurant to “self-investigate” the “Pizzagate” conspiracy. Reports claim that Comet Ping Pong’s owner, James Alefantis, and his employees have been victims of continuous harassment from those exploring the theory that connects the pizza shop to child sex-trafficking. Surrounding businesses have also said that they have been targeted by believers in the conspiracy theory. While many of the sleuths say that their research as led them to believe that “Pizzagate” is real and not just some wild theory, there are some people who believe it has gone too far and now has become dangerous.

Milo 3 months ago on why he can't speak about PizzaGate...Yet

5 December 2016

I've only gone back two pages on this thread, just wanted to say that it's good to have this guy out of circulation. The Right has to be upright, or it's totally useless.

The one good thing out of this fiasco is that with this guy and with George Takei, the ties between homosexual culture and pedophilia have been highlighted.

Ah yes, the moderate conservative viewpoint.

Shoot at your allies and supplicate to your enemies.

(02-26-2017 04:21 PM)911 Wrote:  I've only gone back two pages on this thread, just wanted to say that it's good to have this guy out of circulation. The Right has to be upright, or it's totally useless.

The one good thing out of this fiasco is that with this guy and with George Takei, the ties between homosexual culture and pedophilia have been highlighted.

Advice the right has followed for five decades. Look at where its got us, in some pseudo brave new world freak show where deviants rule and continue to lead us, our lands and our souls to complete destruction.

I'll take one Milo over ten Shapiro's or ten Walsh's any day, the neocon and religious right's strategies and "principles" are utterly exhausted, if they ever were strategies and principles to begin with (they weren't).

The right has only found any semblance of balls and actual principles through the figures of the new right and the tactics they employ. The old right (Globalist stooges the lot of 'em) is filled with self-flagellation and weak kneed pussies that bend over at the slightest whiff of Marxist schlong.

My personal thoughts to all religious or straight and narrow conservatives who think Milo is not pure enough for this crusade.

(02-26-2017 04:21 PM)911 Wrote:  I've only gone back two pages on this thread, just wanted to say that it's good to have this guy out of circulation. The Right has to be upright, or it's totally useless.

The one good thing out of this fiasco is that with this guy and with George Takei, the ties between homosexual culture and pedophilia have been highlighted.

I agree the big problem is that very few have been willing to step up to the plate the way Milo has.

I find his lifestyle abhorrent and I hope he seeks God to avoid eternal damnation as he seems like he may be able to be saved at some point.

I'm sure Breitbart would have gladly employed an attack dog who wasn't a flaming homosexual time-bomb if there was someone willing and able to do the job.

But at the end of the day degeneracy is degeneracy period, regardless of the politics involved.

(02-26-2017 04:55 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 04:21 PM)911 Wrote:  I've only gone back two pages on this thread, just wanted to say that it's good to have this guy out of circulation. The Right has to be upright, or it's totally useless.

The one good thing out of this fiasco is that with this guy and with George Takei, the ties between homosexual culture and pedophilia have been highlighted.

Advice the right has followed for five decades. Look at where its got us, in some pseudo brave new world freak show where deviants rule and continue to lead us, our lands and our souls to complete destruction.

I'll take one Milo over ten Shapiro's or ten Walsh's any day, the neocon and religious right's strategies and "principles" are utterly exhausted, if they ever were strategies and principles to begin with (they weren't).

The right has only found any semblance of balls and actual principles through the figures of the new right and the tactics they employ. The old right (Globalist stooges the lot of 'em) is filled with self-flagellation and weak kneed pussies that bend over at the slightest whiff of Marxist schlong.

My personal thoughts to all religious or straight and narrow conservatives who think Milo is not pure enough for this crusade.

A couple of quick points:

-At some point you've got to stop and ask yourself: what is this crusade all about? What is it you're really fighting for? And do you really want to bomb the village in order to save it?

-The left has gone off the cliff. Liberal identity politics might have been cool 20 or 30 years ago when gay men might have been harassed at work or in school, but now they're down to trans bathrooms and 27 genders... They've jumped the shark and are now ripe for a pushback. No need for NAMBLA when you've got Paglia and Thiel on your side.

-As a general rule of thumb, I don't support anyone I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving alone with my 10yr old nephew. I bet Cuomo thinks I'm too uptight.

Milo has released a video that challenges Richard Spencer's masculinity:

^Ironically, a Hispanic women was comforting him.

Looks like the liberal left, that is also Anti-SJW, is now putting their teeth into Milo.