Post: #76

Strange they haven't released details yet?

New media guidelines or maybe because they suspect more people could be involved?

Post: #77

(10-01-2015 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If this is the guy, the shooting will be pinned on us or allies within two days

If the 4Chan link is corroborated and these videos are indeed of the shooter, it will be a hat trick of 'Net censorship, Manosphere blaming, and calls (yet again) for gun control.

Here is the predicted timeline (all times eastern, US):

Twitter - Overnight and ongoing with lots of false leads and uncorroborated information.

Feminist websites - Noon tomorrow (10/02/2015) with lots of calls for censorship, gun control, and Manosphere examination in general. Eliot Rodger all over again.

Mainstream media - Peak viewing times at 6PM tomorrow with 80% overlap of "news" content with feminist websites. However, there will be plenty of tearful interviews and political hand-wringing, especially as it's election season.

Already, the typists are running down digital leads looking for connections, no matter how vague and unsubstantiated. It's a news coverage race right now with lots of contenders looking to make the scoop.

Let's just sit tight and let this play out tomorrow and over the weekend. News coverage on stories like this follow a very predictable pattern and timeline.

We've seen this all before and this news coverage race is hell on the wounded, the families involved, even law enforcement. But the news grinder cares not one whit about the individuals directly impacted by this event. It's ratings and clicks now.

By next Wednesday (10/06/2015), the last mainstream news story will be featured leaving the more thoughtful types to reflect and raise the more important issues of mental health, disaffected young men, and a culture that is effectively broken. It will be too late by then. Attention spans are short and international geo-political events along with the presidential race will again seize the national attention span. Oh look, a squirrel!

Post: #78

(10-01-2015 07:37 PM)Devilton Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 07:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Fast forward to 5:08....





Assuming this is the shooter, which it may not be...

He was deeply pained from getting rejected by women.

He is deeply anti-feminist, shared newbie level red pill ideas.

If this is the guy, the shooting will be pinned on us or allies within two days

That guy is extremely unlikely to be actually the shooter. It's a trolling attempt of some 4chan users, the guy is someone they make fun of for a while now, ever since he started to post on 4chan without hiding his identity. He is a 4chan 'celebrity' who wrote on the same board the shooter supposedly (and anonymously) announced the shooting yesterday, so they use him to troll.

Yeah, and some dudes on Twitter are also trolling by saying it was comedian Sam Hyde.

Post: #79

Shooter confirmed: Chris Harper Mercer

26 year old atheist I don't know, reading a lot of conflicting stuff.

Will update later.




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...munity-co/

Post: #80

(10-01-2015 08:08 PM)iop890 Wrote:  Shooter confirmed: Chris Harper Mercer

26 year old atheist




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...munity-co/

Same name, but this person is claiming he was a #BlackLivesMatter supporter. If this is correct, it may explain why it took so long for them to identify who it was; usually this is out very quickly.

We'll have to see if this holds though.

Post: #81

(10-01-2015 08:08 PM)iop890 Wrote:  Shooter confirmed: Chris Harper Mercer

26 year old atheist I don't know, reading a lot of conflicting stuff.

Will update later.




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...munity-co/

It should be probably Christopher Harper-Mercer. In that case, we see the hyphenated name strike again with the crazy.

Post: #82

(10-01-2015 08:17 PM)SunW Wrote:  Same name, but this person is claiming he was a #BlackLivesMatter supporter. If this is correct, it may explain why it took so long for them to identify who it was; usually this is out very quickly.

We'll have to see if this holds though.

Yea, I saw that too. I didn't want to claim anything like that until I was sure. I'm not CNN.

People are also saying he liked IRA videos and was friends with Muslim extremist supporters on facebook.

CNN's next headline: White Hispanic Atheist Muslim Catholic black supremacist killer confirmed.

EDIT: Also, as of a few minutes ago CNN is still identifying the egghead guy as the shooter and pushing the anti-woman angle. Lawsuit incoming.

Post: #83

Post: #84

It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

But really, if everyone was lined up, why didn't they rush him? I know easier said than done, but if he literally had people lined up and was shooting them one at a time while talking to them, it seems like there would have been opportunity to grab and hold the barrel of his gun while everyone else dog piled on his ass. Did they just sit there execution style while one gunman went down the line shooting them?

Post: #85

Unconfirmed, this is a online-dating profile of the shooter:

http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

Post: #86

(10-01-2015 08:29 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

But really, if everyone was lined up, why didn't they rush him? I know easier said than done, but if he literally had people lined up and was shooting them one at a time while talking to them, it seems like there would have been opportunity to grab and hold the barrel of his gun while everyone else dog piled on his ass. Did they just sit there execution style while one gunman went down the line shooting them?

These people were not supermen, trained soldiers,or police- they were community college students. The average person believes they can be rational,or that there is a reason for the violence occurring so they attempt to negotiate. Let me put it like this, on September 10,2001 if a bunch of Middle Eastern guys attempted to hijack a plane you were on would you fight them or ride it out?

Post: #87

(10-01-2015 08:29 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

Some Christians, particularly evangelicals, consider denying God to be worse than death.

Quote:These people were not supermen, trained soldiers,or police- they were community college students. The average person believes they can be rational,or that there is a reason for the violence occurring so they attempt to negotiate. Let me put it like this, on September 10,2001 if a bunch of Middle Eastern guys attempted to hijack a plane you were on would you fight them or ride it out?

The analogy doesn't work because received wisdom at the time was to cooperate with skyjackers under the assumption that they planned to use the passengers as bargaining chips. If he's going down the line shooting people, it's pretty clear what's going on.

That said, if he's standing far enough away, it would be difficult to reach him before being shot. You'd need a coordinated effort.

Post: #88

(10-01-2015 08:29 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

But really, if everyone was lined up, why didn't they rush him? I know easier said than done, but if he literally had people lined up and was shooting them one at a time while talking to them, it seems like there would have been opportunity to grab and hold the barrel of his gun while everyone else dog piled on his ass. Did they just sit there execution style while one gunman went down the line shooting them?

From /thread-50797.html

#28. Modern man is a pussy. Any possibility of risk or conflict and modern man will assume the fetal position and cry like a little bitch.

Post: #89

Not much can be gleaned from his profile as to his motivations. Although he was into some weird shit.

Quote:Groups:
Doesn't Like Organized Religion ; Left-hand Path ; Magick and Occult ; Meditation ; Not Religious, But Spiritual

Post: #90

(10-01-2015 08:08 PM)iop890 Wrote:  Shooter confirmed: Chris Harper Mercer

26 year old atheist I don't know, reading a lot of conflicting stuff.

Will update later.




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...munity-co/

"White Hispanic!!!"


BTW, he's holding a Ruger 10/22 in that pic.

Post: #91

(10-01-2015 08:42 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 08:29 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

But really, if everyone was lined up, why didn't they rush him? I know easier said than done, but if he literally had people lined up and was shooting them one at a time while talking to them, it seems like there would have been opportunity to grab and hold the barrel of his gun while everyone else dog piled on his ass. Did they just sit there execution style while one gunman went down the line shooting them?

These people were not supermen, trained soldiers,or police- they were community college students. The average person believes they can be rational,or that there is a reason for the violence occurring so they attempt to negotiate. Let me put it like this, on September 10,2001 if a bunch of Middle Eastern guys attempted to hijack a plane you were on would you fight them or ride it out?

It doesn't take Superman to grab a gun that is being held at the persons head who is sitting next to you when there is only one shooter.

Like I said, if everyone was lined up and he was talking to each person, and close enough to shoot them in the leg, I'd think that's close enough to rush him. If you want to sit there and get shot in the head next then that's your choice, but I don't think it takes being superman to attack someone who is going to shoot your friend in the face while you sit next to him.

Now I'm not saying that's exactly how it went down, because I don't know. But if he literally lined people up and went down the line one by one like it says, I don't think it would take superman to rush the guy while his gun is pointed away from you and the dozen other people in line.

As far as your 9/11 scenario. No one rushed the hijackers on the first planes because the hijackers told them they would not harm anyone. On the final plane where one of the passengers was informed by his wife on a phone call that the hijackers had already crashed other planes, men on that plane DID rush the hijackers, which is exactly what I would have done.

So ok, maybe I am Superman.

Post: #92

(10-01-2015 08:42 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 08:29 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It seems like people would catch on pretty quickly to say no.

Some Christians, particularly evangelicals, consider denying God to be worse than death.

Yep, Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Post: #93

Remember the DC Metro killing a month or so ago...and that was a knife.

I'm sure the NY Times author who said, "Modern man doesn't have a gun, and has no need of one" could offer an opinion on this event, n'est pas?

Post: #94

(10-01-2015 08:59 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  Remember the DC Metro killing a month or so ago...and that was a knife.

I'm sure the NY Times author who said, "Modern man doesn't have a gun, and has no need of one" could offer an opinion on this event, n'est pas?

I'm not surprised by that. It was only one persons life in danger, right? Not the same as being lined up execution style by only one shooter and knowing for a fact you are going to die if you don't do something.

Post: #95

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Post: #96

It seems there is a critical mass problem to gun control.

I have no doubt that if there were a concerted effort to crack down on guns ie. zero tolerance, complete ban, a war on gun smuggling across the border, absolute and total repurchase of guns by the government - we would reduce these incidents. Yes, mental health is a rising issue in this country, but you're kidding yourself if you think this country is more mentally deranged per country than the next 10 OECD countries combined, when those countries, combined, have fewer shootings.

I do agree that anything short of that only shifts the ease of gun acquisition away from law abiding citizens and towards criminals, crazies, and terrorists. Unfortunately, with the second amendment, federalism, NRA, and political culture in this country, the former is near politically impossible. So we will get half-hearted "solutions" that don't really do anything. And when more shootings continue, the supporters of gun freedom will point to these "solutions" as evidence that gun control doesn't work.

On another note: it always strikes me as ludicrous how much of the american political discourse is based on the pretense that it is the only liberal, capitalist democracy in the world. Canada and Australia seem like infinitely less dysfunctional, per capita, countries than the U.S. Singapore and Hong Kong, while not real democracies, seem to provide better standards of living, lower taxes, vice freedoms like prostitution ie. libertarian authoritarianism. None of them have second amendment rights and, uh, they aren't exactly castro's cuba.

When I am of parenting age I will be GTFOing out of the U.S. Too much unnecessary shit compared to peer developed countries - gun violence, police brutality, cowboy interventionist foreign policy, affirmative action, shitty divorce laws, insane tuition (even for public universities), false rape epidemic. I realize other countries have some of these things, but I can name no other developed country with all of these issues.

Post: #97

(10-01-2015 09:05 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It was only one persons life in danger, right?

It was only one person's life in danger at a time. Those bystanders had no assurance the perp wouldn't turn on them next....yet they did nothing.

Post: #98

(10-01-2015 09:05 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  I'm not surprised by that. It was only one persons life in danger, right? Not the same as being lined up execution style by only one shooter and knowing for a fact you are going to die if you don't do something.

Nah, I've seen this a lot.

Average people are shocked into utter passivity by the reality of real world violence. For fuck's sake, they've been so coddled and protected by the social stability they take for granted every day that they equate people laughing at them on the internet with violence.

The moment things go violent or feral, they cannot mentally process it. They simply shut down and look to the ground - hoping that either the threat goes will go away or that someone else will solve the problem for them.

Post: #99

(10-01-2015 09:16 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  It seems there is a critical mass problem to gun control.

I have no doubt that if there were a concerted effort to crack down on guns ie. zero tolerance, complete ban, a war on gun smuggling across the border, absolute and total repurchase of guns by the government - we would reduce these incidents. Yes, mental health is a rising issue in this country, but you're kidding yourself if you think this country is more mentally deranged per country than the next 10 OECD countries combined, when those countries, combined, have fewer shootings.

I do agree that anything short of that only shifts the ease of gun acquisition away from law abiding citizens and towards criminals, crazies, and terrorists. Unfortunately, with the second amendment, federalism, NRA, and political culture in this country, the former is near politically impossible. So we will get half-hearted "solutions" that don't really do anything. And when more shootings continue, the supporters of gun freedom will point to these "solutions" as evidence that gun control doesn't work.

On another note: it always strikes me as ludicrous how much of the american political discourse is based on the pretense that it is the only liberal, capitalist democracy in the world. Canada and Australia seem like infinitely less dysfunctional, per capita, countries than the U.S. Singapore and Hong Kong, while not real democracies, seem to provide better standards of living, lower taxes, vice freedoms like prostitution ie. libertarian authoritarianism. None of them have second amendment rights and, uh, they aren't exactly castro's cuba.

When I am of parenting age I will be GTFOing out of the U.S. Too much unnecessary shit compared to peer developed countries - gun violence, police brutality, cowboy interventionist foreign policy, affirmative action, shitty divorce laws, insane tuition (even for public universities), false rape epidemic. I realize other countries have some of these things, but I can name no other developed country with all of these issues.

Good boy. Obama would be proud.

Does anyone else here actually trust the government to be the only one with firearms in the US?

Post: #100

By their posts, ye shall know them.