Post: #26

(09-25-2015 05:24 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  They could be uighurs being flown home from Thailand after they tried to transit through that country to Turkey or some other safe haven that will finance and train them with CIA backing.

The Thai officials gave them over to China. The thing is this - why would China bother with them at all if they were not some kind of activists? Some had a prison record and others were just agitating for Islam in Thailand.

I have no doubt that if you are just a Chinese Muslim and leave for Germany the Chinese authorities will just say: "Good riddance and good luck at enriching those nations!" They were obviously afraid that they would be agitating as expats as well or they had other info on them. They crack down on online activists as well who can post content for Chinese to see.

China certainly does not care whether some 109 of their billion plus people move to greener pastures, if that's all they were, because the lying mainstream media claims they were just refugees.

Post: #27

(09-25-2015 05:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 05:24 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  They could be uighurs being flown home from Thailand after they tried to transit through that country to Turkey or some other safe haven that will finance and train them with CIA backing.

The Thai officials gave them over to China. The thing is this - why would China bother with them at all if they were not some kind of activists? Some had a prison record and others were just agitating for Islam in Thailand.

I have no doubt that if you are just a Chinese Muslim and leave for Germany the Chinese authorities will just say: "Good riddance and good luck at enriching those nations!" They were obviously afraid that they would be agitating as expats as well or they had other info on them. They crack down on online activists as well who can post content for Chinese to see.

China certainly does not care whether some 109 of their billion plus people move to greener pastures.

Yes, they were most definitely extremists with extensive rap sheets or intel folders on them. For China to go through diplomatic channels to get them back means they were pretty important for one reason or another. You're right, a Chinese citizen who doesn't want to live in China anymore just has to purchase a one way ticket and noone will give a fuck, even better if they leave with all their extended family too..unless they are absconding with corruption money to live abroad, members of extremist groups, or businessmen/politicians trying to evade the law.

Another thing these extremists have been doing is going to the west and forming lobby groups to try and solicit donations and persuade mainstream media to agitate for their cause. The thing is..the western world is gullible enough to fall for this line.

Also, it falls into various established western intel agencies agendas who also want to destablize the western front of China so central asia is left wide open.

None of these uighur groups are acting alone all of them have some connection to either the west (outright CIA backed through Turkey) or are affiliated with some larger ideological fundamentalist group like ISIS or AQ.

What taxpaying citizens of the U.S. should be concerned with is that the government is actually throwing money at groups like this in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend move which always backfires in the end.

Post: #28

Russia will never have problem with its Muslim population, the culture and zero tolerance policy for extremism guarantees it. The problem they had with Chechens was obviously instigated and financed by the U.S. When you have time you should read about the Second Chechen War. The villages that were known to conceal wahabis among their people were given the option of peacefully surrendering them to the authorities or having the whole village razed down to oblivion from the artillery and Russians were not bluffing.

Post: #29

(09-25-2015 06:26 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  Russia will never have problem with its Muslim population, the culture and zero tolerance policy for extremism guarantees it. The problem they had with Chechens was obviously instigated and financed by the U.S. When you have time you should read about the Second Chechen War. The villages that were known to conceal wahabis among their people were given the option of peacefully surrendering them to the authorities or having the whole village razed down to oblivion from the artillery and Russians were not bluffing.

Feel free to correct me, but in Kaukaz culture giving up guests is No-No, doesn't really matter who they are.

It's kind of funny - 5 minutes ago I was reading some sites where Russians can do no good and now I am checking RVF when Russians can do no wrong. My head is spinning...

Post: #30

(09-25-2015 06:26 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  Russia will never have problem with its Muslim population, the culture and zero tolerance policy for extremism guarantees it. The problem they had with Chechens was obviously instigated and financed by the U.S. When you have time you should read about the Second Chechen War. The villages that were known to conceal wahabis among their people were given the option of peacefully surrendering them to the authorities or having the whole village razed down to oblivion from the artillery and Russians were not bluffing.

Standard CIA/military black ops playbook.

Throw weapons/financing at the extremist nationalist or religious group on your enemy's border and hope for destabilization and a good outcome which benefits your agenda.

This has happened countless times since WW2. There are loads of examples of how this has always backfired horribly in the end too. From Latin America, EE, to SEA, to 1950's China to current day China. It always ends up fucking way more people over.

Post: #31

(09-23-2015 01:04 PM)FlyBoy Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

St Mark's Cathedral in Cairo



St George in Beirut



St Peter's in Damascus



This can go on for a while but I'll spare you!

To be fair... the majority of churches that that I have seen in the middle east, that look like this, had been there long before Islam.

Post: #32

(09-25-2015 07:53 AM)spalex Wrote:  To be fair... the majority of churches that that I have seen in the middle east, that look like this, had been there long before Islam.

This is a very salient point. Islam is not that old to begin with it's really the new shitty kid on the world stage of religions. Islam is about as old as the Tang Dynasty in China..ie. not that long ago.

Afghanistan was originally a Buddhist country with animist traditions. If it didn't get overrun by shitheads it would most likely be like the rest of SEA. Imagine a world where Afghani women practiced hygiene, kept fit, and ran around in short skirts instead of donning black curtains over their bodies with weapons/bombs hidden underneath for their jihadist men. I will even go as far as to say that the boyfucking pederast traditions of Afghan tribes would not exist either with plentiful and abundant young and attractive pussy.



edit: WB #2

Post: #33

(09-25-2015 06:47 AM)whoishe Wrote:  Feel free to correct me, but in Kaukaz culture giving up guests is No-No, doesn't really matter who they are.

I will have to correct myself, the usual proceeding was as follows:

Quote:The very first thing Putin did when he came to power was to prosecute and win an amazingly violent and vicious war against the Chechen Wahabis. As I have mentioned many times here, a typical situation during that war was like this: a Russian commander would be met by a delegation of local “elders” who would assure him that their village was peaceful. The commander would reply “okay, we will not enter your village, but if a single shot comes out of it, we will wipe it off the face of the earth with artillery fire”. And they did so. Every time. With artillery and multiple-rocket launcher fire. A huge number of civilians died because a village of 500 people would harbor 20 or 30 insurgents. And when the commanders of this operation were accused of war crimes (like General Shamanov) Putin not only stood by them, he gave many them the highest Russian decoration: Hero of Russia.

taken from here: http://thesaker.is/ukraine-sitrep-update...sian-soul/

Post: #34

(09-23-2015 10:33 AM)turuk Wrote:  LOL, I love to see Roosh comment on this. Bad boy Russia this and that. They just opened up the biggest mosque.

(09-23-2015 03:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Great news. When I go to Russia, I will have a place to praise Allah five times a day!

(09-25-2015 05:15 AM)turuk Wrote:  This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for.

(09-25-2015 08:03 AM)turuk Wrote:  Shit.

Post: #35

(09-23-2015 01:04 PM)FlyBoy Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

St Mark's Cathedral in Cairo



St George in Beirut



St Peter's in Damascus



This can go on for a while but I'll spare you!

Lebanon was a majority Christian nation until the Civil War in the 70s. Trust me many Christian Lebanese abroad are not fans of Muslims.
Also, Lebanon has a Christian President through the power sharing agreement at the end of the War, so they aren't under muslim rule so to speak. They are a secular democracy with multiple ethnic groups and religions have a post in government.

But try being a Christian in post-Mubarak Egypt, there have been many attacks on churches and individuals after the "Arab Spring" there.

That's without even going into the major persecutions and violence against Christians in Syria which I think we all know about.

The only place Christians are safe in the Middle East is Lebanon because they are still 30-40% of the population there and areas under Assad in Syria, I have heard Armenian Christians are protected in Iran but have heard conflicting reports.

Basically, Christians are only protected when either they are a sizeable chunk of the population or have a secular dictator like Assad, Mubarak or Saddam Hussein to back them up from the more radical Muslim populace.

Post: #36

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Post: #37

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Everyone was conquering everyone in that era and I would use it as an example of tolerance as anywhere else they would have been razed to the ground. 4th Crusade anyone? Where Venice looted the churches of Constantinople for promised war money even though the Pope said not too, but quickly shut his mouth when they got all that loot. Also it's Istanbul now because the Byzantines lost deal with it.

The losers had no rights in that era.

Post: #38

(09-25-2015 11:24 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Everyone was conquering everyone in that era and I would use it as an example of tolerance as anywhere else they would have been razed to the ground. 4th Crusade anyone? Where Venice looted the churches of Constantinople for promised war money even though the Pope said not too, but quickly shut his mouth when they got all that loot. Also it's Istanbul now because the Byzantines lost deal with it.

The losers had no rights in that era.

Well then be honest. First you say how nice Muslims are, than you talk about losers having no rights. Be consistent here.

Also, if you look at Constantinople, The Hagia Sophia was turned in a Mosque.

I understand the principle of losers having their history erased, the will to power, strongest survive etc. But don't tell me Islamic conquest and getting rid of Christian holy sites is tolerance though. That is just wrong.

Post: #39

(09-25-2015 11:36 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:24 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Everyone was conquering everyone in that era and I would use it as an example of tolerance as anywhere else they would have been razed to the ground. 4th Crusade anyone? Where Venice looted the churches of Constantinople for promised war money even though the Pope said not too, but quickly shut his mouth when they got all that loot. Also it's Istanbul now because the Byzantines lost deal with it.

The losers had no rights in that era.

Well then be honest. First you say how nice Muslims are, than you talk about losers having no rights. Be consistent here.

Also, if you look at Constantinople, The Hagia Sophia was turned in a Mosque.

I understand the principle of losers having their history erased, the will to power, strongest survive etc. But don't tell me Islamic conquest and getting rid of Christian holy sites is tolerance though. That is just wrong.

I never said anyone was nice. All I said was that it could have been worse and that those churches remained was mercy in and of itself. Granted to tax the population, but in and of itself preserving it. Just as the Hagia Sophia was.

Don't bring ancient facts into this because Christians were far less tolerant of "infidels".

Post: #40

(09-23-2015 09:37 PM)DeepGreen Wrote:  This is was the Roman Empire under Trajan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman..._117AD.png

The Edict of Thessalonica made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 380.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica


This is the Islamic world today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_attitudes.png

Does anyone know the history of how this happened?

The main empires back then were the Romans and the Persians, but they were weak due to lots of internal strife and fatigue due to lots of wars. When Islam appeared on the scene they were not at maximum strength.

Quote:The expense of resources during the Roman–Persian Wars ultimately proved catastrophic for both empires. The prolonged and escalating warfare of the 6th and 7th centuries left them exhausted and vulnerable in the face of the sudden emergence and expansion of the Caliphate, whose forces invaded both empires only a few years after the end of the last Roman–Persian war. Benefiting from their weakened condition, the Arab Muslim armies swiftly conquered the entire Sassanid Empire, and deprived the Eastern Roman Empire of its territories in the Levant, the Caucasus, Egypt, and the rest of North Africa. Over the following centuries, most of the Eastern Roman Empire came under Muslim rule

The Muslims also had the fortune to have one of the greatest generals in world history, Khalid ibn al-Walid and he had many victories over both the Romans and Persians. 'Amr ibn al-'As conquered Egypt.

(09-25-2015 08:00 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Afghanistan was originally a Buddhist country with animist traditions. If it didn't get overrun by shitheads it would most likely be like the rest of SEA. Imagine a world where Afghani women practiced hygiene, kept fit, and ran around in short skirts instead of donning black curtains over their bodies with weapons/bombs hidden underneath for their jihadist men. I will even go as far as to say that the boyfucking pederast traditions of Afghan tribes would not exist either with plentiful and abundant young and attractive pussy.

The women probably walked around topless, they definitely did in India before the Islamic invasions. Ancient India probably had similar attitudes towards sex as SE Asian countries.





As for Russia and Islam - the Chechens are very recent converts to Islam, only within the last few hundred years. I noticed that a lot of FSU Muslims have Russian names, which may be some kind of indicator in how interested they are in aping Arabic traditions.

Post: #41

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Constantinople? You mean Byzantium (before the Romans conquered and renamed it).

The blatant narrow minded anti-Islam rhetoric is getting boring now.

Walter Black Wrote:I noticed that a lot of FSU Muslims have Russian names, which may be some kind of indicator in how interested they are in aping Arabic traditions.

Or more likely it's a remnant of the Soviet effort to destroy their religious/ethnic/cultural identity.

Post: #42

(09-25-2015 01:50 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:36 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:24 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Everyone was conquering everyone in that era and I would use it as an example of tolerance as anywhere else they would have been razed to the ground. 4th Crusade anyone? Where Venice looted the churches of Constantinople for promised war money even though the Pope said not too, but quickly shut his mouth when they got all that loot. Also it's Istanbul now because the Byzantines lost deal with it.

The losers had no rights in that era.

Well then be honest. First you say how nice Muslims are, than you talk about losers having no rights. Be consistent here.

Also, if you look at Constantinople, The Hagia Sophia was turned in a Mosque.

I understand the principle of losers having their history erased, the will to power, strongest survive etc. But don't tell me Islamic conquest and getting rid of Christian holy sites is tolerance though. That is just wrong.

I never said anyone was nice. All I said was that it could have been worse and that those churches remained was mercy in and of itself. Granted to tax the population, but in and of itself preserving it. Just as the Hagia Sophia was.

Don't bring ancient facts into this because Christians were far less tolerant of "infidels".

Saying they could be treated worse isn't a really great argument for you to stand on. How much worse could a Syrian Christian in territory occupied by ISIS be treated today?

I am bringing up history to provide context to the ongoing persecution of Christians in the Middle East, which has been going on since the Islam started to spread by conquest in the 600s.

Christians had no reason to be tolerant of Muslims given they were having their homelands invaded and occupied for over a thousand years.

There is a historical reason why many in Eastern Europe and the Balkans don't like Muslims, and it has to do with Ottoman aggression against their ancestors and nations.

Post: #43

(09-25-2015 03:50 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Constantinople? You mean Byzantium (before the Romans conquered and renamed it).

It originally belonged to the Greeks, and when the Romans took it they cultivated and improved upon it. It became one of the richest cities in the world, if not the richest, for over 500 years.

After the Turks took it, they have since turned it into one of the world's largest slums. 20 million and counting. Turkey's GDP lower than Greece; Greece has 10 million ppl vs Turkey's 76 million.

Quote:The blatant narrow minded anti-Islam rhetoric is getting boring now.

No rhetoric; just reality. Islam is shit.

Quote:

Walter Black Wrote:I noticed that a lot of FSU Muslims have Russian names, which may be some kind of indicator in how interested they are in aping Arabic traditions.

Or more likely it's a remnant of the Soviet effort to destroy their religious/ethnic/cultural identity.

Good idea by the Reds.

Post: #44

(09-25-2015 03:50 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:57 AM)Steve_Jay Wrote:  Istanbul? You mean Constantinople.

I wouldn't use the conquest of Constantinople as an example of Islamic tolerance of others.

Constantinople? You mean Byzantium (before the Romans conquered and renamed it).

The blatant narrow minded anti-Islam rhetoric is getting boring now.

Walter Black Wrote:I noticed that a lot of FSU Muslims have Russian names, which may be some kind of indicator in how interested they are in aping Arabic traditions.

Or more likely it's a remnant of the Soviet effort to destroy their religious/ethnic/cultural identity.

Where is the anti-islamic rhetoric?

He brought up Istanbul as a place with all these Churches, and Christians getting fair treatment. I am bringing up the fact that in that very city, the Hagia Sophia, a landmark of Orthodox Christianity, was turned into a Mosque by Ottoman invaders.

Facts are not "hate" or "bigotry" or "anti-islam".

Post: #45

(09-25-2015 04:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It originally belonged to the Greeks, and when the Romans took it they cultivated and improved upon it. It became one of the richest cities in the world, if not the richest, for over 500 years.

After the Turks took it, they have since turned it into one of the world's largest slums. 20 million and counting. Turkey's GDP lower than Greece; Greece has 10 million ppl vs Turkey's 76 million.

Do you seriously think that Istanbul is a 'slum'? That's funny.

Good job on mentioning the respective populations since Greece's significantly smaller population might have something to do with its GDP (which is also why Turkey's GDP is higher than say China's).

Steve_Jay Wrote:Where is the anti-islamic rhetoric?

He brought up Istanbul as a place with all these Churches, and Christians getting fair treatment. I am bringing up the fact that in that very city, the Hagia Sophia, a landmark of Orthodox Christianity, was turned into a Mosque by Ottoman invaders.

Facts are not "hate" or "bigotry" or "anti-islam".

Okay, fair enough...But if we're talking about 'facts', then it's not called 'Constantinople'.

Samseau Wrote:Good idea by the Reds.

I'm not sure that I can agree with cultural genocide (i.e. Marxism), but each to their own.

Post: #46

Quote:Good job on mentioning the respective populations since Greece's significantly smaller population might have something to do with its GDP (which is also why Turkey's GDP is higher than say China's).

huh?

Post: #47

(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  huh?

Well, I assumed, for his own sake, that he meant 'per capita', since Turkey's GDP (not per capita) is significantly (5x) higher than Greece's.

This is getting off-topic though.

Post: #48

Muslims are brainwashed into thinking everyone else is way more violent and evil than they are, especially in the past.

I talked to an Egyptian muslim a couple of months ago who tried telling me the Coptic Christians dying because of the Muslim brotherhood was "media propaganda".

Post: #49

(09-25-2015 02:20 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

WB

Post: #50

(09-25-2015 04:27 PM)Bey Wrote:  

Samseau Wrote:Good idea by the Reds.

I'm not sure that I can agree with cultural genocide (i.e. Marxism), but each to their own.

There's no such thing as cultural genocide because cultures do not have a right to exist. People have a right to exist. Cultures are artificial human constructs that must be judged and discarded according to their utility and morality. Of which Islam fails both tests miserably.