Post: #1

LOL, I love to see Roosh comment on this. Bad boy Russia this and that. They just opened up the biggest mosque.

Post: #2

Russia has 16 million Muslims, what would you expect?

Nigeria also has a large mosque in its capital, the numbers are to great to try and halt it.

These are all private funded with no fumds from the government. If you promote independent rights then you would have no issues of people buying land to build a place to worship.

I don't see a issue; as you know where they all will be..in one place.. and they used Orthodoxy design elements in the building to make it a tasteful structure for the majority Orthodox Russians.

Post: #3

Bullshit clickbait title. The mosque wasn't built, it was restored and expanded. In fact, it was built way back in 1904 and and has been under re-construction during the last 10 years or so.

This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Post: #4

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

St Mark's Cathedral in Cairo



St George in Beirut



St Peter's in Damascus



This can go on for a while but I'll spare you!

Post: #5

If there's one thing to come from this is that religious buildings sure as hell have some architectural and engineering marvels.

Not to mention some of the most beautiful looking buildings.

Post: #6

Only Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf emirates have problems with churches and synagogues. This is a consequence of their puritanical Wahabist beliefs.

Churches and synagogues have existed historically in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, North Africa, and in the former Turkish empire.

Post: #7

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

Post: #8

The Russians will rue the day they allowed that demographic to grow that large.

Post: #9

(09-23-2015 01:28 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  The Russians will rue the day they allowed that demographic to grow that large.

What are they to do? Russia fought to keep Chechnya in the union and is working overtime to make sure the Caucasian republics don't gain independence.

Post: #10

Muslims and Orthodox Christians in Russia have more in common with each other than they do with Western Europeans or Sunni Arabs.

Russia under Vladimir Putin has co-opted the vast majority of Muslims by preaching conservative principles and speaking up in favor of common sense when it comes to blasphemy and hateful speech of religions. In fact Chechens and other Causasian (Dagestan l, Ingushetia) are often the biggest supporters of Putin at least partly due to the amount of government money he has spent rebuilding and developing the Caucasians regions.

Post: #11

(09-23-2015 01:28 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  The Russians will rue the day they allowed that demographic to grow that large.

My history of that region is rusty, but I think it's more a case of "they conquered/annexed areas with muslims" versus them immigrating from elsewhere. Russia's a pretty big place, and it used to be even bigger and included other muslim countries (used to include Kazakhstan etc).

But this thread reminds me of the famous video of Putin expressing his 'policy' towards muslim extremists.

Post: #12

Great news. When I go to Russia, I will have a place to praise Allah five times a day!

Post: #13

(09-23-2015 01:22 PM)Bey Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 10:54 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  This is actually a good illustration of the difference between Islam and Christianity. In traditionally Christian countries, we make concessions to religious minorities and build places of worship for them. Such a favor is not returned in Islamic countries.

Just to illustrate: I don't think there's a single mosque in Athens, yet there are numerous churches in Istanbul.

I think you need to realise when you've fallen for propaganda.

The main issue he is addressing it religious tolerance, even if wrong on the specifics. If you're honest you know which is the more tolerant since everyone seems to be "fleeing one way only" (reference to the Berlin Wall after some journalist tried to say West and East Germany were both equally bad).

However Churches are banned in a lot more of the Middle East than mosques are in the West.

Post: #14

The type of Muslims in Russia aren't really the type that we often talk about. They come from places like the Caucuses. They're minorities like Circassians, etc. One woman I have dated is such a Circassian Muslim.

Very, very different than places like the Middle East. When we talk about problematic Islam we're mainly talking about Arabic cultures. Yes Islam has unsettling tenets but the culture it adheres to is what really makes or breaks it. Most of the problems with Islam come from from the MENA region (and even there mainly east of the Euphrates). Those groups are not prevalent in Russia, as far as I can tell.

Post: #15

Anyone who thinks we are against freedom of religion is certifiably retarded.

To the OP:

Post: #16

This is was the Roman Empire under Trajan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman..._117AD.png

The Edict of Thessalonica made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 380.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica


This is the Islamic world today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_attitudes.png

Does anyone know the history of how this happened?

Post: #17

What guys are missing is that the Russian and Chinese Muslims have a zero tolerance policy and are intricately infused with the values of the respective countries.

They are more akin to black Muslim converts in the US - not problematic at all. We have even some guys in the 'sphere who are like that.

The Chinese recently dealing with Uighurs who tried to join jihad in the Middle East:

Quote:More than 100 Uighurs accused of attempting to make their way to the Middle East to wage jihad are pictured shackled and hooded as they are sent back to China

Guess what happened to them? I am certain that they did not get a Swedish treatment of therapy, a job, an apartment and some financial aid.

Comparing Russia & China with Sweden or Germany is utterly moronic. In China as well as in Russia you can be openly Muslim as long as you adhere to the laws of the country while respecting the dominating culture. They can have all the mosques they want - doesn't matter really.

Post: #18

China gives their minorities tax breaks and other financial incentives to marry Han Chinese. I want a tax break with my pussy too.

Post: #19

Percentage of Moscow that's Muslim: 14%
Mosques in Moscow: 5

Percentage of London that's Muslim: 12%
Mosques in London: >400

Savior of Europe indeed.

Post: #20

(09-24-2015 02:11 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  What guys are missing is that the Russian and Chinese Muslims have a zero tolerance policy and are intricately infused with the values of the respective countries.

They are more akin to black Muslim converts in the US - not problematic at all. We have even some guys in the 'sphere who are like that.

The Chinese recently dealing with Uighurs who tried to join jihad in the Middle East:

Quote:More than 100 Uighurs accused of attempting to make their way to the Middle East to wage jihad are pictured shackled and hooded as they are sent back to China

Guess what happened to them? I am certain that they did not get a Swedish treatment of therapy, a job, an apartment and some financial aid.

Comparing Russia & China with Sweden or Germany is utterly moronic. In China as well as in Russia you can be openly Muslim as long as you adhere to the laws of the country while respecting the dominating culture. They can have all the mosques they want - doesn't matter really.

Not from Middle East, Chinese there says from SE Asia. Also it does not mentions who, there is no mention of uyghurs. The Chinese and the translation under it don't match up.

Post: #21

(09-24-2015 06:31 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  Not from Middle East, Chinese there says from SE Asia. Also it does not mentions who, there is no mention of uyghurs. The Chinese and the translation under it don't match up.

Plenty of stories on it - China claims that they were en route to join the jihad:

Of course it's possible, but it's more likely that they were illegal migrants in Thailand:

Quote:Last week, Thailand forcibly repatriated over 100 Uighur people to China, where the ethnic minority group is likely to face punishment and retaliation. The decision elicited a backlash from the United States government, the United Nations, and international advocacy organizations who claimed that the Uighurs would be tortured—or worse—after their return. But Thailand insisted that it simply lacked the means to let them stay.

“Do you want us to keep them for ages until they have children for three generations?” asked Prayuth Chan-ocha, Thailand’s military-backed Prime Minister.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international...es/398318/

Quote:China’s official Xinhua agency said late on Saturday that the 109 illegal immigrants had been on their way “to join jihad”, and that 13 of them had fled China after being implicated in terrorist activities. Another two had escaped detention, Xinhua said, citing the ministry of public security.

Xinhua’s report also claimed that a Chinese police investigation had uncovered several gangs recruiting people for jihad, and that Turkish diplomats in some south-east Asian countries had facilitated the illegal movement of people.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ju...says-china

China recently has been cracking down more strongly:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...untry.html

But they did experience some terrorist attacks. Party members by the way are not allowed to visit mosques.

While China has of course a strong-armed approach as usual this is a fundamental approach really. Is Islam just a religion or automatically a political doctrine?

I think that it is possible of course for Islam to become a religion that does not extend to all aspects of the secular life. However in our times the reverse seems to be true and radicalization is happening.

Personally I would not let any religion - even the best one - allow to dictate how a state is to be led, how the people are judged. I would not allow sharia zones nor would I allow Christian or Buddhist free zones where churches and temples are judge and jury. I also would not let them decide what is right or wrong. While a population is always infused with the morals of the specific religion I think that a government should always strive to be as detached as possible listening to the voices of reason, science and universal ethics. Jumping at the words of one Pope or Imam has rarely benefited humanity in history.

Post: #22

(09-24-2015 02:11 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  What guys are missing is that the Russian and Chinese Muslims have a zero tolerance policy and are intricately infused with the values of the respective countries.

They are more akin to black Muslim converts in the US - not problematic at all. We have even some guys in the 'sphere who are like that.

The Chinese recently dealing with Uighurs who tried to join jihad in the Middle East:

Quote:More than 100 Uighurs accused of attempting to make their way to the Middle East to wage jihad are pictured shackled and hooded as they are sent back to China

Guess what happened to them? I am certain that they did not get a Swedish treatment of therapy, a job, an apartment and some financial aid.

Comparing Russia & China with Sweden or Germany is utterly moronic. In China as well as in Russia you can be openly Muslim as long as you adhere to the laws of the country while respecting the dominating culture. They can have all the mosques they want - doesn't matter really.

The difference is that China and Russia knows that when you deal with extremists you don't send social workers with pamphlets but Spetsnaz or in China's case Snow leopard commandos to storm their safe houses/family homes in the middle of the night. You throw a bag over their head, zip tie them, and drag them off to interrogation camps where you beat them with a plank until they tell you where the rest of their buddies are. After you get the information you need you make sure the judicial process is quick and they "disappear" from the media and public view forever.

Both of these countries have extensive experience with cross border islamists stirring shit up throughout history. It's nothing new, they know islamists respond more politely to the stick than the carrot anyways.

China does have a lot of Chinese muslims too they are called "Hui" and they rarely get involved with extremism. They are historically known to actually favor democracy and nationalism over even communism and religious fundamentalism.



The CCP expediting the muslim extremist journey to be with 72 virgins.

Post: #23

Come on guys, we know that there is clearly a double standard on the forum, when talking about Putin. If this inauguration happened in Berlin or Paris, everybody would be talking about the Islamisation of Europe, the decline of the West etc.

Post: #24

(09-25-2015 05:14 AM)freeuser Wrote:  Come on guys, we know that there is clearly a double standard on the forum, when talking about Putin. If this inauguration happened in Berlin or Paris, everybody would be talking about the Islamisation of Europe, the decline of the West etc.

It's a historical building. Russia also has a long record in modern times of handling their shit when it comes to islamists.

You'll find plenty of historical mosques in both Russia and China.

However what you won't see are communities of fundamentalists preaching extremism right out there in the open and given a voice and platform for their shitty views in the mainstream media or with the "progressive" set.

You'll find plenty of these communities throughout western europe though. U.K. is full of them.

Post: #25

(09-24-2015 06:31 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 02:11 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  What guys are missing is that the Russian and Chinese Muslims have a zero tolerance policy and are intricately infused with the values of the respective countries.

They are more akin to black Muslim converts in the US - not problematic at all. We have even some guys in the 'sphere who are like that.

The Chinese recently dealing with Uighurs who tried to join jihad in the Middle East:

Quote:More than 100 Uighurs accused of attempting to make their way to the Middle East to wage jihad are pictured shackled and hooded as they are sent back to China

Guess what happened to them? I am certain that they did not get a Swedish treatment of therapy, a job, an apartment and some financial aid.

Comparing Russia & China with Sweden or Germany is utterly moronic. In China as well as in Russia you can be openly Muslim as long as you adhere to the laws of the country while respecting the dominating culture. They can have all the mosques they want - doesn't matter really.

Not from Middle East, Chinese there says from SE Asia. Also it does not mentions who, there is no mention of uyghurs. The Chinese and the translation under it don't match up.

They could be uighurs being flown home from Thailand after they tried to transit through that country to Turkey or some other safe haven that will finance and train them with CIA backing.