Post: #1

Since we had one thread going on the SMP, I thought I'd double up and pose another question regarding SMP.

Take a look at this article. Kinda gets blue pill especially in the comments section. 42yo healthy, fit, professional American man who wants to date 30s professional women, can't hardly swing a date let alone find a gf.

Why do women in their 30s not want men in their 40s

Is this guy (and the columnist) just totally bluepill, or does this somewhat challenge Tomassi's SMP theory? The SMP would dictate that men are peaking in the mid/late-30s and then more gradual decline into 40s-50s, while women are tofu by 35, let alone 40. Does this man's experience demonstrate the inflated self-worth of aging professional American women?

I'm well under 40, but for those of you who are 35-40 or higher, what has been your experience? Did your market change after the mid-30s? Were you still able to get younger women, for short-term/notches, or LTR as well?

Post: #2

One important fact that was left out, women above age 35 are advised against having children.

The rule of thumb for marrying a woman, is half your age plus 7. Not marrying a woman the same age as you.

I like the part about women wanting to sow their oats!!!

Post: #3

(09-17-2015 11:34 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  Since we had one thread going on the SMP, I thought I'd double up and pose another question regarding SMP.

Take a look at this article. Kinda gets blue pill especially in the comments section. 42yo healthy, fit, professional American man who wants to date 30s professional women, can't hardly swing a date let alone find a gf.

Why do women in their 30s not want men in their 40s

Is this guy (and the columnist) just totally bluepill, or does this somewhat challenge Tomassi's SMP theory? The SMP would dictate that men are peaking in the mid/late-30s and then more gradual decline into 40s-50s, while women are tofu by 35, let alone 40. Does this man's experience demonstrate the inflated self-worth of aging professional American women?

I'm well under 40, but for those of you who are 35-40 or higher, what has been your experience? Did your market change after the mid-30s? Were you still able to get younger women, for short-term/notches, or LTR as well?

I find it incredible that some fella has made a business teaching birds how to "understand men".

It could be taught in one line - be feminine, be cute, be pleasant.

There endeth the lesson.

Oh, and I wouldn't really pay much heed to what this chump has to say about women in their 30's not wanting guys in their 40's.

He's as blue-pill as fucking Viagra factory.

Post: #4

Outside of the Anglosphere, women in their 30s are happy to get attention from men in their 50s, let alone 40s.

Post: #5

Yeah the truth is most of these 30-something professional women live in major metropolitan areas... outside of the major cities their standards plummet.

Post: #6

I think a lot of people misunderstand Rollo's SMV graph. The man's SMV peak at around age 38 isn't meant to be taken literally, as if a man is going to say "oh yeah, when I turn 38, I will have equal SMV to that of a 22 year old nubile blonde with zero-gravity boobs and a bubble butt in tow... so the ladies are going to be all over me everywhere I go."

It just doesn't happen like that, at least in the Anglosphere... unless you're Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. What the graph tries to say is the POTENTIAL SMV. Because men age much better than women do, they have plenty of time to to get their shit together, make lots of money, build their bodies by hitting the gym frequently, practice game, travel, and learn how the world works. So, by the time they hit their mid-late 30s to early 40s, they are in the best position to attract women with their game, looks, money, and resources to provide for offspring... IF they optimize their own personal masculine potential.

If a man spends his twenties and thirties playing video games on the couch while dieting on potato chips, of course that's going to torpedo his SMV and then he'll never reach his true potential. Just like if an 18 year old woman pigs out on ice cream daily and picks up a few STDs on the college carousel, her SMV would drop like a rock by the time she even graduates. She'd go SPLAT by the time she reaches her fullest potential.

That said, in the anglosphere, the SMP is indeed artificially warped in favor of women. Take Rollo's graph, stretch the woman's SMV upward across all ages, and squeeze the man's SMV down closer to the x-axis across all ages, then you get the Anglosphere SMP.

Rollo's graph taken as-is would be more representative of what you'll see outside of the Anglosphere, particularly in SA, EE, or SEA.

Post: #7

From the website:

Quote:So let’s say you’re a 36-year-old woman, entering the prime of your life. You’re done with the bar scene and you’re very much interested in settling down to have a family of your own.

There is no mystery about the intended audience for this drivel. I don't think you should be wasting your time or thoughts on what this guy has to say.

Post: #8

Nobody's pointing out that the OP (in the article not this thread) is doing it wrong: he's going online looking for the mother of his kids. Bet a dollar his profile is so fucking earnest and tryhard. He's writing a profile that would work on FindRussianWives.com and wondering why it doesn't work on OKCupid. Yes, a 31 year old woman is going to screen for +-5 years, because she thinks she's still in high school. Dude is never going to show up on her screens and if he does, the chick's out there looking for romance, looks at his profile and finds dirty diapers and sleepless nights.

That and OP Id'd his own problem: he goes to social events where women don't want to mingle. So don't go to speed dating & singles events!

Post: #9

(09-17-2015 12:38 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  From the website:

Quote:So let’s say you’re a 36-year-old woman, entering the prime of your life. You’re done with the bar scene and you’re very much interested in settling down to have a family of your own.

There is no mystery about the intended audience for this drivel. I don't think you should be wasting your time or thoughts on what this guy has to say.

Post: #10

"Which brings us to you, Adam. You say you’re looking for a woman in her mid-30’s. That’s perfectly fair. But if none of them are looking for you, your wheelhouse is going to be women in their late 30’s to early 40’s"

Horseshit. I'm 44 and my wheelhouse is 25-32 yo's coming off the local carousel.

I'm not fond of the "blue pill/red pill" jargon and I've never heard of this Katz but if this advice is any example of his "work" he's a poisonous chode. At first glance I'd say he might even be a fag His name is Evan for fuck's sake. That's why he knows how to "connect with men"...his mouth is a docking station

Post: #11

Quote:So let’s say you’re a 36-year-old woman, entering the prime of your life. You’re done with the bar scene and you’re very much interested in settling down to have a family of your own.

Perhaps if life expectancy for women were 200 years?

Post: #12

Women 27-37 believe at any point they can say:"OK, I'm jumping off the carousel. locking down the most alpha man that I can snare, but keep the same entitled attitude and remnants of my slut years and he'll be forced to accept that behavior, and in fact, love me for it because that's part of who I am that's attractive."

I just bumped into a girl at the local designer coffee shop yesterday, I fucked around with many years ago. From hearing her story, I could tell she thought that's how it would work for her. At 31 she locked down a guy (poor sapp married her), had a kid, bought a house, etc. He was about 7 years her elder. Dude started getting wealthy in his career. Bought a Mercedes, and new cigar boat, and dumped her manly acting ass when she was 37. She's not aging well at all, plus she's quirky.

The reality of it is, they'll get a purple pill beta at best to ride out the rest of their life with, then THEY'LL just have to accept that.

Expecting to lock down a guy, hopefully get pregnant, get married with 2 years or less, and buy a house together, or preferrably he buys everything... um, sorry "hun," desperation relationships always crash n burn. Doesn't matter if it's the woman or man whose desperate, but it never fails.

I'm 41 dating a 28yo as my main, and have a 7yo daughter with a 32yo cunt which was my poorest decision years back. So far so good with the 28yo who seems to be cringing away from the carousel altogether. Could be a ploy, but my level of DGAF is so extreme, I'm impervious to female strategic attacks.

Typically, in the midwest here, I'm learning that girls who reach 29-31 unhitched either make a conscious decision to go "super cunt" and place themselves so high above any man (alpha or not) that their narcissistic psychopathy kicks the hamster so hard in the ass it grows a turbo, OR, they do the opposite and become some of the sweetest flowers to pluck. Much more the former I encounter naturally, but it's a laughable existentialism to watch in woman that age, and how they Will their way towards one path or the other.

Post: #13

(09-17-2015 12:29 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I think a lot of people misunderstand Rollo's SMV graph.

...

What the graph tries to say is the POTENTIAL SMV. Because men age much better than women do, they have plenty of time to to get their shit together, make lots of money, build their bodies by hitting the gym frequently, practice game, travel, and learn how the world works. So, by the time they hit their mid-late 30s to early 40s, they are in the best position to attract women with their game, looks, money, and resources to provide for offspring... IF they optimize their own personal masculine potential.

This, exactly.

The graph charts each sex's POTENTIAL value at each age. It's up to the individual to do everything they can to actualize that potential.

Post: #14

(09-17-2015 11:44 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  One important fact that was left out, women above age 35 are advised against having children.

The rule of thumb for marrying a woman, is half your age plus 7. Not marrying a woman the same age as you.

I like the part about women wanting to sow their oats!!!

Isn't that formula used to find an upper limit?

The real formula is actually easier. The value is fixed at 18.

Post: #15

(09-17-2015 02:30 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(09-17-2015 11:44 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  One important fact that was left out, women above age 35 are advised against having children.

The rule of thumb for marrying a woman, is half your age plus 7. Not marrying a woman the same age as you.

I like the part about women wanting to sow their oats!!!

Isn't that formula used to find an upper limit?

The real formula is actually easier. The value is fixed at 18.

Thats more like the ideal value. Good luck trying to find such a woman at 18 who wants to get married and who is marriage material.

Even for dates, I rarely find girls at 18 willing to date someone much older. Girls at 22-24 are actually the most receptive to dating older guys.

I think the rule divide by 2 add 7 presents the best, practical demographics for success.

Back on topic: what Cleanslate said:

Quote:What the graph tries to say is the POTENTIAL SMV.

This should be pretty obvious... The thing is, MOST men never reach their maximum potential.

If you just take the average guy, chances are he will be the same SMV at 20 as at 40. He may be financially better at 40 but lack of game and ability to cold approach put his SMV right back at low.

Which is what the guy in the OP's article lacks. Your value doesn't mean shit if you can't show it to the world.

Been proven times and again, even if your value is shit you can still get laid just by mass approaching.

On the other hand, a redpill guy doing things right should see his value sky rocket at 35-40. Assuming he's already got it at 20s, at 40 he has much more experience, better cold approach skills, and better off financially. He might not have social circle access to all the nubile college girls but his approach game more than make up for it.

There's nothing a 40s woman could do to up her SMV, it will never be as high as it could have been at 20s.

Post: #16

There are as many 19-21 yr old girls willing to date much older as 22-24 yr old girls if not moreso. And you get more 'taboo breakers' in the first group, I mean, a 24y chick dating a 36 or 38 yr old guy is really not such a big deal esp if both are college grads, big city, professionals [or just he is]. Also why would you want a chick with another 5 years on the carousel if you have game?

The more 20-yr olds I date, the more I realize not only do they want older, experienced, dominant guys but also someone completely and utterly outside their social circle. They want to party on campus but not be gossiped about if they kissed Matt at a party or slept with Josh or dumped Joey.

I think my SMV didn't hit new heights until I was 36. Since then I find I get way more looks from 20s, 30s, Milfs, strippers, you name it.

Post: #17

(09-17-2015 12:47 PM)Gmac Wrote:  [quote='ManAbout' pid='1113303' dateline='1442511510']
From the website:

Quote:So let’s say you’re a 36-year-old woman, entering the prime of your life. You’re done with the bar scene and you’re very much interested in settling down to have a family of your own.

Post: #18

^^^^ It all changed when, while Actual rape stats went down
Hisses = rape
Whistles = rape
Stares = rape
^^^^
These were all attention-getting pre-ice breakers. Fear and anger go hand and hand. One of the greatest victories of Feminism and PC Culture is manufactured Fear.
She regrets drinking the KoolAide is what she means to say.

Post: #19

(09-17-2015 12:38 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  From the website:

Quote:So let’s say you’re a 36-year-old woman, entering the prime of your life. You’re done with the bar scene and you’re very much interested in settling down to have a family of your own.

There is no mystery about the intended audience for this drivel. I don't think you should be wasting your time or thoughts on what this guy has to say.

I think 30-40 can be the prime of a woman's life, at least from her perspective, if she plays her cards right.

Will she look as good as at 25? Of course not. But if she gets married in her mid 20s to a man a few years older than her and pops out a couple of kids before she's 30, she'll have a family, a stable life, and (provided she takes care of herself) keep most of her looks by the time she's in her mid to early 30s.

Sounds like a pretty happy life. Most of the women I know who married by the end of their 20s and had kids are happy, maybe even more so than they were at 21 when they undeniably looked better. The key difference between them and carousel riders is that they have children, which seem to prevent women from becoming bitter and angry at least for a while.

Of course, feminists don't do this. They fuck things up for themselves by riding the carousel in their 20s and not settling down until it's way too late. No sympathy for them. Obviously the article is pandering to its largely single female audience by making that statement. But 35+ isn't necessarily total misery for women like it's often made out to be -- only for the ones that don't plan their lives well.

Post: #20

A woman mentioned to me one time that her life clicked when she had kids. She works and has a husband but with kids everything had meaning and focus. Don't get me wrong she has her moments but overall she has it together.

It makes sense to me. I think part of the problem these days is too many options and choices. With all this fancy medical technology now a woman can delay having kids. Or so she thinks. The brain then starts these crazy value maximizing behaviors. In a way by having the number of options reduced, a person has more peace. Maybe some regrets from time to time but for the most part the path becomes clearer.

I think this applies even more to men, who do care for their offspring, but are not nearly as attached as the mother usually. The guys on this forum often suffer from too many options and trying to figure out th best path. Half the threads at least seem to be about making th right choice. Partly because we have too many of them.

Post: #21

I'm turning 40 and I've had no issues pulling chicks between 25-30 at all. My current LTR just turned 26, I met her when she was 24. If you take care of yourself, have a sense of style with charisma, you can land chicks no problem of your age difference, whether it be LTR or ONS, atleast that's what I've found. And Rollo's SMV chart is 100% accurate imo.

Post: #22

(09-17-2015 12:38 PM)RockHard Wrote:  Nobody's pointing out that the OP (in the article not this thread) is doing it wrong: he's going online looking for the mother of his kids. Bet a dollar his profile is so fucking earnest and tryhard. He's writing a profile that would work on FindRussianWives.com and wondering why it doesn't work on OKCupid. Yes, a 31 year old woman is going to screen for +-5 years, because she thinks she's still in high school. Dude is never going to show up on her screens and if he does, the chick's out there looking for romance, looks at his profile and finds dirty diapers and sleepless nights.

That and OP Id'd his own problem: he goes to social events where women don't want to mingle. So don't go to speed dating & singles events!

Yeah, that was my face-palming, cringing feeling while reading his clip as well. Poor bastard. And the columnist is blue pill/mangina as fuck.

Still, this is the bullshit you deal with in the USA, the factors that are not considered into that infamous SMP chart. Not that I'm discrediting it, I agree with a previous poster that it's a theory of where each sex can maximize their attractiveness/potential. Trouble is, in the United States, career women have inflated egos that somewhat distort that chart. Not to mention the conflicting interests that a man encounters in his 30s-40s: financial responsibility, more job/career responsibility, increased isolation from other singles. After I turned 30 a few years ago, I experienced a noticeable increase in my natural isolation from other singles, some of my friends got married or into other work stuff, longer work hours for myself, living in the suburbs to invest in a home, save money, etc. That was one of the factors that opened me up to international dating.

Post: #23