Post: #51

(09-15-2015 07:32 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 12:30 AM)jj90 Wrote:  I don't know of said RVF member Cardguy, and that may work for closed systems but that also reeks of excuses and cognitive dissonance. If said individual was so good, he should apply his talents to the capital markets. Where is Cardguy's billions?

Ego is the enemy, it's hubris to think one can contemplate every possible result. And then being able to act on such thoughts concurrently in real time.

Anyone who thinks that smart people should all be rich should read Nassim Taleb's books: The Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness and Antifragile.

He explains the role of random events and luck better that I ever will, but the TL;DR version of the answer is basically that for every billionaire investor like Warren Buffet there are many who failed. Many of these losers may be just as smart as the winners, but they made the wrong calls and never recovered (or never had the balls to make big bets in the first place).

If investing, and getting above-average returns, was as simple as applying high IQ to solve a pre-defined problem in a classroom then finance professors would be billionaires as well.

I think you state it too black and white. It is true that a certain kind of intelligence or savviness is useful for making money, and obviously not every kind of intelligence. For every Warren Buffet there are many who failed, yes, but also many who sit on 10M or 20M or 50M or 100M instead of 60 billion, is that failing?

I really believe that there are so many (most) people around who don't really want or believe they can get rich, and won't become rich as a result.

Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

Post: #52

(12-01-2015 04:29 PM)Lime Wrote:  Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, it will never get done.

Post: #53

(12-01-2015 04:46 PM)Mr. Brightside Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:29 PM)Lime Wrote:  Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, it will never get done.

That's not what I mean man. I mean that most people aren't even interested in the matter and I do believe that people interested in 'The Millionaire Fastlane' etc. end up to be the ones taking the action needed to do at least well for themselves.

Post: #54

Quote:Although I'm interested in girls and moving abroad, I'm not so sure being lazy and refusing to work in our rat race system is such a bad idea.

Replace the word 'lazy' with 'flexible' and you have a point. What most people are aiming to achieve is location independence and financial freedom. Laziness will not achieve this.

Post: #55

(12-01-2015 04:46 PM)Mr. Brightside Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:29 PM)Lime Wrote:  Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, it will never get done.

Another thing: Warren Buffet spends 80% of his working day reading.

But I should believe you instead of Warren Buffet about ''spending too much time thinking about a thing''

Post: #56

(12-02-2015 03:21 AM)Lime Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:46 PM)Mr. Brightside Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:29 PM)Lime Wrote:  Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, it will never get done.

Another thing: Warren Buffet spends 80% of his working day reading.

But I should believe you instead of Warren Buffet about ''spending too much time thinking about a thing''

It's a Bruce Lee quote, and it's a decent platitude about inaction. Your Warren Buffet analogy is weak. Bring your A game next time you want to troll.

Post: #57

I'm prone to mental masturbation. I actually enjoy thinking things through to the nth degree. It has most certainly cost me opportunities as I think myself out of things that a less introspective, dare say it intellectual, person would have just run with.

I've tried my best to instil the "Screw it just do it" mentality into my work over the last couple of years and it has paid dividends.

The difficult part is figuring out when to stop and think and when to just do.

Post: #58

(12-02-2015 03:25 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The difficult part is figuring out when to stop and think and when to just do.

Pulling the trigger is often a struggle. Inaction is comfortable, action isn't. I think most people have a feeling in their gut when they've gone from effective learning to intellectual gluttony.

Post: #59

(12-02-2015 03:12 PM)Mr. Brightside Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 03:21 AM)Lime Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:46 PM)Mr. Brightside Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 04:29 PM)Lime Wrote:  Are there really so many people reading all those books and taking so much action?

If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, it will never get done.

Another thing: Warren Buffet spends 80% of his working day reading.

But I should believe you instead of Warren Buffet about ''spending too much time thinking about a thing''

It's a Bruce Lee quote, and it's a decent platitude about inaction. Your Warren Buffet analogy is weak. Bring your A game next time you want to troll.

I'm not trolling. You interpreted my post wrongly and continued on the wrong point. Maybe I didn't write well enough so I try to explain better.

Your point is that for every Warren Buffet there are many who are broke. My point is that there are also many people with 10 million or 50 million.

My point is that with the right drive and action, luck means the difference between 50 million and 500 million, not so much between 0 and 40 billion. Reading those books could be a symptom of the drive, not the cause of it.

Post: #60

update?

Post: #61

I live a homeless life atm.

From a pseudo taoist infected by hipster fantasy perspective I'm doing great:
I don't pay taxes, food is not really problem (actually getting fat is the problem as there is too much around) drugs and booze in true dudeist Creed also come easily and often free. I get laid because girls love a rowdy rebel.
Why should I bother improving myself?

Cliche phrase proven true by the ages :
"Fortune favors the young"

The old bums that hang out in the shelter because no one else wants their company, the odd looking smelly neighbor who probably lives on welfare and is too repulsive for you to ever bother to more than glance at him in disgust. The brain fried begging gutter punk couples who look 15 years older than they actually are.
Hell, the uninteresting total beta dad or uncle from the Christmas party whose life is as memorable as a hydrant. What about the aging hipster at the bar who hasn't gotten the memo and moved on?
I do not desire to become a sad creature like these.
At least from what my senses can perceive,and thus I strive to better myself if only for myself(oddly enough I'm getting an opinion echo here)

I think that because we are social animals and full Beings as opposed to characters who represent concepts we are hard wired still to certain rules and regulations of our physiology.
Even monks or MGTOW types need a quest and a station to define them.
Having none is even worse than having failed because from a biological point of view it signals you as defective genetic material not worth reproducing with and from a Cultural one it damns you as an unworthy person.

As absurd as it sounds I think the biggest problem that zen-like philosophies have is reconciling the pointlessness of existence (from a purely logical reasoning) with
with our genetically hard wired purpose of reproducing..

This why I think a dudeist perspective is flawed by removing the value of the effort so is the value of the reward lost and then, you might as well fall into an existentialist angsty and/or decadent pit-which should say something about the state of affairs in contemporary western civilization at least...

Post: #62

Every man owes it to himself to add value to his life which usually comes from a sense of purpose.

The higher your value goes, the more beautiful women you obtain as a result; the more enjoyment, free time and disposable income you obtain as a result.

However, what you're doing boss13 is trying to mix up the order of this, and making a grave assumption that you already have value, not through a sense of purpose but rather an excuse of "isn't it okay because some fictional character did it." Your other purpose seems to be women.

The thing about a sense of purpose is that it has to be fulfilling to you as a man. Women cannot be the purpose, they are the result. Leisure and free time cannot be the purpose, they are the result. Money cannot be the purpose even, but if you work hard, you guessed it, it will be the result.

The thing is that every man has value but if you have not worked hard to increase that value, I would take a huge bet that it is less than that of most men. Women are not attracted to this and neither are other men of value.

So what I'm saying is that all you would be doing by doing anything "easy" is betraying yourself into forcing yourself to think it is okay. Fortunately, you're on the forum and some of us see an utter disaster from a mile.

Source: I approached many girls for the purpose of poon. There was a gap and I wasn't happy. When I shifted my focus to work, family and kids, I felt more fulfilled and satisfied over time, even though it was hard to let go of my selfish nature during that transition. Surprisingly enough, I have improved my social value and am now able to project better value to both men and women. The interest level from either of them for my company has also been higher. So, I've been through lowest of the lows and come back. That struggle is not over. My purpose has been to improve my inner game to the point that I can deal with these struggles successfully rather than try to run away from them or eliminate them completely. I've just been through enough of these struggles that you can rest assured this advice comes from a place of real experience.

Post: #63

The way I understand it, Buffet spends his whole day reading stock and industry reports, not for fun. This is like an architect saying he looks at pictures all day, or a lawyer saying he is reading all day, or a barista saying all he does all day is hang out - hes really just working full time.

Post: #64

I'm definitely on the self improvement side of things, but hold no grudge against guys who will own the fact that they are lazy as hell. It's just that I like the feeling that personal growth gives me, while doing nothing gets me depressed. Meanwhile the lazy guy might be happy being lazy. Whatever it is and as cheese as it may sound, just do whatever it makes you happy.

Post: #65

(09-12-2015 01:09 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  It seems you are planning your whole future around women. Maybe you're not getting laid much and the reason for your focus?

Once you been with enough women, you will quickly realize doing everything for pussy becomes unfulfilling and then you will be back here asking what to do next.

The reason people mention working hard in your twenties is because youth is on your side. You can work a ton of hours, party it up at night, banging plenty of women while still being able to get up for work the next day.

You won't be able to do that when you get older.

Like I said, if you want to be lazy then be lazy. No one is saying you can't play video games and other things that women don't like. If you want to do them, do them. That doesn't mean you can't also hit the gym to feel and look better for yourself. Nor work at something that will give you monetary freedom so you can live anywhere you want.

This times a million. I would bet it's probably the case for OP considering he is on this forum (most people find PUA for a reason). The number is going to be different for everyone. Maybe it will never stop if just chasing girls endlessly is your thing. Personally, around lay #15 it started getting a bit boring.

I am going through this right now personally. My teens/early 20s (I guess I am still in my early 20s) revolved around girls. Every decision I made revolved around pussy. Example: get a sales job and a big sale, cash out, and be location independent. Another example, take a TEFL job, try to build an online business, and be location independent.

There's this whole sort of ideal dude in the PUAsphere - goes to the gym, makes money, is location independent and travels around, speaks multiple languages, has interesting hobbies like music and dancing, etc. Fact is, you don't need to be "well-rounded" to get ass. I realized I was doing all this dumb shit I didn't really care about (like being jacked and location independence/traveling - I just want to sample the local pussy, really) just to get girls. Also, doing or becoming any of these things doesn't make you any better of a person than someone who doesn't or isn't one of these things.

Now that I can get girls fairly easily, I stopped giving a shit about these things and I've been thinking a lot about my next move and what I actually care about.

So in sum OP, I think you need some sort of purpose. If that is just being lazy and teaching English while macking hoes, then so be it. I hope it's what you actually like

(11-30-2015 03:40 PM)rw95 Wrote:  I suppose for those of you 30+, self-improvement is important. However, you guys have opportunities that will not be available for younger guys like myself. We will not be able to find enclaves of traditional women when we tire of playing the game. We will never be able to have families of our own. The way things are looking now, we probably won't be able to leave a legacy of any kind in a world, not just the a western hemisphere, that is becoming more and more degenerate. For younger guys, hedonism and nihilism is all that's left to us, whether we want it or not.

You need less Internet

Post: #66

Selective laziness coupled with high ambition is where it's at.

Having big goals and visions, and working smart to get them, rather than nose-down grinding away for years on paths that lead nowhere.

Choosing what you work on is far more important than how hard, assuming a certain decent level of effort. The vast majority of routes lead to somewhere that wont fulfill you or will only marginally fulfill you, therefore excellent decision-making and path selection is where you get the most ROI for your effort.

I love this 80/20 approach, Richard Koch stuff etc, but it's not for everyone, some people are emotionally attached to working hard for the sake of it.

Post: #67

^^^

Post: #68

Wow....... Pretty much all I can say. For myself traveling, becoming location independent, making money, fucking bitches was a way of life way before I knew what PUA or the manosphere was.... I was literally already traveling to different places and chilling in the DR before I found this forum and I was only googling "things to do in x city". I guess some people are naturally built for this while others do it because it sounds good while reading on a forum. Either way yeah do what makes you happy, for me that's making money, traveling, banging biitches, and staying in decent shape... It took me some time to reach this point and now that I'm here with the freedom to work really hard or do shit for two weeks straight and still make really good money is too big of a draw to live any other type of lifestyle. However at my old age of 37 I'd tell anyone in their twenties that for the long term a job is for suckas, SUCKA!!!. Figure out a hustle and enjoy life, don't waste away only playing video games, on social media, and lollygaggin your days away on the net with no purpose. FYI odds are I'll never get married atleast nowhere in the foreseeable future, nor settle down but again I know everyone isn't built for this as it takes a special kind of person to truly "be about that life"

Post: #69

Yeah man many seemingly impossible challenges I've had in life have usually been solved by stepping back, letting go and coming at it in a completely different way. Then when you look back, it's like the challenge itself has evaporated and a new mindset or way of doing things just took it's place.

I tend to think now that if something seems impossibly hard, I'm either looking at it wrong, or have chosen the wrong "means" to the actual end I value.

There's always an easier, less stressful, more fruitful way to do things.

That doesn't mean it's easy to find, or easy to let go of ingrained "try harder, work more" urges. But an easier and more fruitful path always does exist, simply because of the natural Pareto ( 80-20) relationship between inputs and outputs. The biggest challenge is actually staying aware and optimistic and creative enough to find that better way.

Post: #70

You should work enough to obtain the lifestyle you want and to save enough to be ok during times where work may be slow. Anything else is pointless unless you would truly rather be working versus doing anything else. Simple as that.

Laziness doesn't exist only lack of motivation.

Post: #71

You should work enough to obtain the lifestyle you want and to save enough to be ok during times where work may be slow. Anything else is pointless unless you would truly rather be working versus doing anything else. Simple as that.

Laziness doesn't exist only lack of motivation.

Post: #72

These guys are pretty 'smart', they figured they can't go against guys (job wise) and girls (sex wise) in states who have the same skin color, speak the same language and have the same culture. So they just chose an easy way out. I don't know it's considered Loser mentality or Finding a niche market.

Personally, I won't be proud of visiting places mexico, acting like a rich person there for a week and come back to the reality.

If you like it there and want to live there long, no problem. But you will have harder time adjusting when you come back.

(09-12-2015 03:25 AM)boss13 Wrote:  I see lots of posters recommending things like making money and lifting weights in order to attact girls. So regarding moving abroad, I see comments saying English teachers are aimless, pathetic losers without a future. Although I'm interested in girls and moving abroad, I'm not so sure being lazy and refusing to work in our rat race system is such a bad idea. Two movies come to mind showcasing this: Lester regaining his masculinity and joy for life once he quits his job and works at a fast-food join in American Beauty and the Dude in the Big Lebowski

Do you guys not recommend being like Lester and the Dude? What is so wrong with adapting a carefree attitude and teaching English?

Post: #73

(06-01-2016 11:58 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  These guys are pretty 'smart', they figured they can't go against guys (job wise) and girls (sex wise) in states who have the same skin color, speak the same language and have the same culture. So they just chose an easy way out. I don't know it's considered Loser mentality or Finding a niche market.

Personally, I won't be proud of visiting places mexico, acting like a rich person there for a week and come back to the reality.

If you like it there and want to live there long, no problem. But you will have harder time adjusting when you come back.

How does one master such a balanced, sneaky, back-handed snark to stay unbanned on a forum for so long?

Could you drop a data sheet for us?

Post: #74

op?