Post: #26

I'm a lot like the Dude, actually. Hmmm, probably too much so.

Post: #27

#1 I think is deep down the oldest years of his many can be his most cherished if he lives a life of improvement. He can observe his life and give wisdom to family and friends, he can leave real estate, or investments to enrich the lives of those he cares about most. He can see that his life had deep and direct impact on those he care about. Living a life to scrape by to not endure hardship I think would end in an empty feeling. We are all lucky to have each other on this planet and not be born animals or not at all. No one knows if there is a God. We only know we have each other in this entire reality. I think to live a full life it is worth putting in the extra work to be able to afford a bit more to others close to you.

I think the reasons have been stated well.

I also think there is a subset maybe 5% of men or less that I have known that would be truly happy in this lifestyle through old old age. They are usually the extreme hippy type that have done a lot of drugs or extreme surf junky type and truly let go of any fucks about status. They also on average are much more accepting of having mediocre looking kooky girls be their companion.

If you are one of these guys it may be the path for you, they do seem very happy, but I am pretty sure the failures of this group are great candidates to be homeless old men (loss of job/income, unexpected emergency expense, health condition will all crush you if you are a single old man with no wife, children, savings, and low income).

Also if you ever want to retire, I think retirement in your 20s seems awesome, so much energy don't need much $ to have fun, travel in hostels, eat cup o noodles. When you are older and have no job during the day and would have no money I think it could be rough just staring at death coming and not having money to at least go out with a bang so to speak (visiting relatives, traveling to nice places, having nice meals, entertainment, having a great home).

Post: #28

(09-13-2015 04:21 PM)Travesty Wrote:  #1 I think is deep down the oldest years of his many can be his most cherished if he lives a life of improvement. He can observe his life and give wisdom to family and friends, he can leave real estate, or investments to enrich the lives of those he cares about most. He can see that his life had deep and direct impact on those he care about. Living a life to scrape by to not endure hardship I think would end in an empty feeling. We are all lucky to have each other on this planet and not be born animals or not at all. No one knows if there is a God. We only know we have each other in this entire reality. I think to live a full life it is worth putting in the extra work to be able to afford a bit more to others close to you.

I think the reasons have been stated well.

I also think there is a subset maybe 5% of men or less that I have known that would be truly happy in this lifestyle through old old age. They are usually the extreme hippy type that have done a lot of drugs or extreme surf junky type and truly let go of any fucks about status. They also on average are much more accepting of having mediocre looking kooky girls be their companion.

If you are one of these guys it may be the path for you, they do seem very happy, but I am pretty sure the failures of this group are great candidates to be homeless old men (loss of job/income, unexpected emergency expense, health condition will all crush you if you are a single old man with no wife, children, savings, and low income).

Also if you ever want to retire, I think retirement in your 20s seems awesome, so much energy don't need much $ to have fun, travel in hostels, eat cup o noodles. When you are older and have no job during the day and would have no money I think it could be rough just staring at death coming and not having money to at least go out with a bang so to speak (visiting relatives, traveling to nice places, having nice meals, entertainment, having a great home).

I haven't seen any homeless old people in the US (at least on the East Coast, maybe it's a West Coast thing). It seems that, for old people, there are always options such as section 8 housing or retirement homes paid for by Medicaid. By old, I mean, over 65.

Post: #29

http://www.rooshv.com/growth-vs-comfort

Post: #30

The problem is that Americans cannot really be successfully lazy. It's a young and hungry culture, and men who are born to it do not organically know how to subside. Generations upon generations of Americans have tried to be "slackers" or "hippies" or what have you, and somehow they always end up tinkering in their garage and producing companies with market capitalization the size of a small country. Whereas in cultures that are old and steeped in time, you can have babies that are born with the wily drooping eyes of a Greek civil servant, and they can be successfully and confidently lazy over the course of a long lifetime.

And if you don't come from a culture which knows how to be lazy, but you really persist in trying, then you end up being something else which is a loser -- a fearsome American nightmare destiny that is to be avoided. An American who lacks the deep cultural -- almost genetic -- knowledge of how to be lazy without being a loser should simply accept his calling and work with fanatical concentration in excessively and gloriously chilled surroundings, refining the design of an espresso machine or organizing the next big wave of construction in the Phoenix exurbs.

Incidentally, the RVF, with its obsession with self-improvement, is one of the most supremely American places anywhere on the web -- which is to its credit, of course. But I chuckle reading the occasional anti-American sentiment expressed here, and relish seeing another generation of this young and unstoppable culture attempt to rebel against its destiny and escape to softer or sunnier climes, only to find themselves ever more besotted with the American ethos of work, ambition, and religiously fervent self-reinvention. Excelsior, dudes.

Post: #31

(09-12-2015 01:10 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  As for being lazy, I don't look down on lazy people because I'm lazy myself. Being lazy is better than being stupid. A lot of suckers out there who work hard all their lives and then lose most of their money getting divorce raped and paying child support. You need to set clear goals and understand the trade offs. For example, raising a child in the US costs $200K+, and that doesn't include college tuition. You can spend this money on children or just chill somewhere on a tropical island banging chicks and drinking beer. The choice is yours.

I honestly can't put a price tag on a child. I personally have strong feelings to have a son eventually to pass my life experience and my name . but that divorce and child support is a difficult subject since i have friends who deal with that and there all l working to become rich. Its more common then most might think but who doesn't believe there gonna be the exception?

Post: #32

Best bet is to do what you like doing and attempt to be great at it. There are no good or bad career choices [Smart ass semantics aside].

You can fail at life doing something you love just like you can fail at doing something you hate. You could drop dead tomorrow. Why waste you time doing something you hate when theres no guarantee that option will work out…

Post: #33

There's nothing inherently wrong with what the OP said. Kind of surprised by the animosity in the responses. I personally don't like to bust my ass, whether it's for a boss or a business etc. Don't get me wrong, being in shape and making a comfortable living are important to me, but at this point I've pretty much reached those goals, so now I lounge around on many days doing absolutely nothing except reading books and maybe browsing this forum because that's what I enjoy doing.

(09-12-2015 07:10 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  If you want to be lazy and self-defeatist, just read Cardguy's posts.

Cardguy had thousands of interesting and reflective posts on RVF. I wish I could say the same for you.

Post: #34

(09-12-2015 01:11 PM)boss13 Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 01:02 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^I don't know where you went in Asia, but there are no problems finding college aged women for guys in their 30s in countries like the Philippines and Indonesia. Even guys in their 40s here write about their adventures college aged girls. Then, there is a forum member iknowexactly who's complaining how difficult it is to find 8+ college aged girls but doesn't seem to have a problem finding 6s and 7s in that age range in Cebu. He is well into his 50s if I remember correctly.

I was talking about NE Asia, like Japan, Taiwan, Korea

Plenty of foreign guys in their 30s and 40s are doing just fine with younger chicks in Japan. Age gaps are not usually as big as in SEA, but still much more accepted than in the West. To be honest, being in your 30s is a complete non-issue. You just have to bring something to the table. Looks, style, money and so on.

I knew a guy in his early 50s who was dating provincial Japanese girls in their early 20s with even a few teens thrown in. He was definitely an outlier, but it shows that it can be done.

Post: #35

(09-12-2015 03:25 AM)boss13 Wrote:  Lester regaining his masculinity and joy for life once he quits his job and works at a fast-food join in American Beauty

Why take life advice on how to be a happy, masculine man from a fictional character whose main focus is trying to molest an underage-friend of his daughter in a movie written by a Gay Man who looks like this?

Post: #36

(09-14-2015 07:51 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 07:10 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  If you want to be lazy and self-defeatist, just read Cardguy's posts.

Cardguy had thousands of interesting and reflective posts on RVF. I wish I could say the same for you.

I can see both points of view here.

Cardguy's problem was more related to high-intelligence: the ability to both identify and analyse patterns, and to visualise mental abstracts to such a degree the expected result of a process can be clearly-seen. As such, he can see there's no point physically-doing it because he knows what to expect, and, as such, his mind has instantly-moved on to something more intriguing.

As such, it can resemble self-defeatism and can easily lead to stagnation.

I have to deliberately-fight myself every step of the way to focus on something to completion, but it's a matter of tempering arrogance: I have to understand that not every result can be accurately-predicted, and that sometimes engaging in the process itself can lead your mind into other avenues that wouldn't otherwise have been revealed.

Post: #37

(09-14-2015 05:25 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I can see both points of view here.

Cardguy's problem was more related to high-intelligence: the ability to both identify and analyse patterns, and to visualise mental abstracts to such a degree the expected result of a process can be clearly-seen. As such, he can see there's no point physically-doing it because he knows what to expect, and, as such, his mind has instantly-moved on to something more intriguing.

As such, it can resemble self-defeatism and can easily lead to stagnation.

I have to deliberately-fight myself every step of the way to focus on something to completion, but it's a matter of tempering arrogance: I have to understand that not every result can be accurately-predicted, and that sometimes engaging in the process itself can lead your mind into other avenues that wouldn't otherwise have been revealed.

I don't know of said RVF member Cardguy, and that may work for closed systems but that also reeks of excuses and cognitive dissonance. If said individual was so good, he should apply his talents to the capital markets. Where is Cardguy's billions?

Ego is the enemy, it's hubris to think one can contemplate every possible result. And then being able to act on such thoughts concurrently in real time.

Post: #38

(09-14-2015 04:53 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 03:25 AM)boss13 Wrote:  Lester regaining his masculinity and joy for life once he quits his job and works at a fast-food join in American Beauty

Why take life advice on how to be a happy, masculine man from a fictional character whose main focus is trying to molest an underage-friend of his daughter in a movie written by a Gay Man who looks like this?

why does the look of the guy who wrote the movie matter? And the reason why I take his advice is because when Lester stood up for himself from his bitchy wife, alot of American men related to it and liked it.

He tried to molest his daughter's friend? Are you kidding me? I thought it was natural for men to desire younger girls. Saying that he "molested" her is the reaction of typical manginas and bitchy American women who demand males desire "MILFs" and "cougars". See: /thread-24990.html

Post: #39

Because being a lazy piece of crap doesn't get you what you think it does, and life ≠ a film plot.

And,
The things you listed aren't recommended to "get women". They're recommended because they're staples of a long, healthy, happy, prosperous life of doing what you choose, living life on your terms, and being happy with yourself. You aren't in control of your life if you're a broke bum- you're dependent on the way the wind blows. Thats not "free" to me.

You mention "job" and "rat race" - that is not what you have to endure to be successful, myself and others have our own businesses/ventures/hustles which we work hard at, hard work for ourselves instead of others. Your view on success seems rigid, and maybe thats whats creating your back and white "Dude vs rat race" view, when there is a world between those two extremes you could live in.

Post: #40

(09-15-2015 01:03 AM)boss13 Wrote:  why does the look of the guy who wrote the movie matter? And the reason why I take his advice is because when Lester stood up for himself from his bitchy wife, alot of American men related to it and liked it.

He tried to molest his daughter's friend? Are you kidding me? I thought it was natural for men to desire younger girls. Saying that he "molested" her is the reaction of typical manginas and bitchy American women who demand males desire "MILFs" and "cougars". See: /thread-24990.html

The character is underage. Your 'hero' doesn't fuck her because he comes to his fucking senses and realises he's about to commit statutory rape.



One of the biggest problems with modern women is them thinking they can base realistic life expectations upon what happens in television and movies. It's scripted fantasy entertainment, and dreaming of escaping into fantasy is for weak minds.

A sample of standard chick bullshit you'll see on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter via anonymous confession sites like Whisper:















I bet they all believe they're 'not like the other girls' too.

You're basically advocating thinking like a woman, or a very weak-willed man who can't cope with adult responsibilities.

Post: #41

My opinion is that you must bust your ass in your 20s in order to establish a solid base for later in life. I worked myself 80 to 90 hours 7 days a week when the mortgage market was on fire from 2000 to 2006 in order to establish a substantial amount of savings.

This savings was inevitably pushed forward to acquire a batch of foreclosed properties from the bubble that ensued creating a long term source of passive income.

Why? Because you see a trend. You must not only work hard you must read the market especially in your areas of expertise.
This surely will not occur sitting on your ass drinking coronas all day.

Also you must remember the cyclical nature of capitalism. These business cycles go up and down and you must take advantage of them by being in the mix. Many business cycles will last 2 to 5 years. Others less , others more.

Overall, you are taking the easy way out that many have done before. Fast forward to your 40s and 50s and by then whatever hard work ethic you may attempt to pick up at later stages in life will be far ahead of your diminishing physical capabilities. In other words , It will considerably more difficult as each decade passes.

Do not be a schmuck and look at carefree failures as examples of happiness.
Do it when you are young and capable while at the same time enjoying the ride and not getting exponentially consumed by ambition.

Post: #42

(09-15-2015 12:30 AM)jj90 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 05:25 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I can see both points of view here.

Cardguy's problem was more related to high-intelligence: the ability to both identify and analyse patterns, and to visualise mental abstracts to such a degree the expected result of a process can be clearly-seen. As such, he can see there's no point physically-doing it because he knows what to expect, and, as such, his mind has instantly-moved on to something more intriguing.

As such, it can resemble self-defeatism and can easily lead to stagnation.

I have to deliberately-fight myself every step of the way to focus on something to completion, but it's a matter of tempering arrogance: I have to understand that not every result can be accurately-predicted, and that sometimes engaging in the process itself can lead your mind into other avenues that wouldn't otherwise have been revealed.

I don't know of said RVF member Cardguy, and that may work for closed systems but that also reeks of excuses and cognitive dissonance. If said individual was so good, he should apply his talents to the capital markets. Where is Cardguy's billions?

Ego is the enemy, it's hubris to think one can contemplate every possible result. And then being able to act on such thoughts concurrently in real time.

He's able to identify patterns and visualize end results as it pertains to his own life. He would not necessarily succeed at doing so in the markets due to insufficient information.

Post: #43

(09-15-2015 12:30 AM)jj90 Wrote:  I don't know of said RVF member Cardguy, and that may work for closed systems but that also reeks of excuses and cognitive dissonance. If said individual was so good, he should apply his talents to the capital markets. Where is Cardguy's billions?

Ego is the enemy, it's hubris to think one can contemplate every possible result. And then being able to act on such thoughts concurrently in real time.

Anyone who thinks that smart people should all be rich should read Nassim Taleb's books: The Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness and Antifragile.

He explains the role of random events and luck better that I ever will, but the TL;DR version of the answer is basically that for every billionaire investor like Warren Buffet there are many who failed. Many of these losers may be just as smart as the winners, but they made the wrong calls and never recovered (or never had the balls to make big bets in the first place).

If investing, and getting above-average returns, was as simple as applying high IQ to solve a pre-defined problem in a classroom then finance professors would be billionaires as well.

Post: #44

I think you guys may have missed my point. It was not smart guys should be rich but ego will destroy a person/persons.

Post: #45

(09-15-2015 07:32 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  He explains the role of random events and luck better that I ever will, but the TL;DR version of the answer is basically that for every billionaire investor like Warren Buffet there are many who failed. Many of these losers may be just as smart as the winners, but they made the wrong calls and never recovered (or never had the balls to make big bets in the first place).

If investing, and getting above-average returns, was as simple as applying high IQ to solve a pre-defined problem in a classroom then finance professors would be billionaires as well.

True, but on average, the group of smart people will have a total wealth greater than a group of dumb people. Some of the smart people will be broke, but some will be billionaires and millionaires, raising the average.

Intelligence of course, isn't the only ingredient. They need to have drive and risk appetites. Society also has a pretty bad habit of only calling nerds 'the smart people'. Nerds are a great example of 'putting all your eggs in one basket'. The theoretical physicist usually ends up the tool of some other intelligent, but more well-rounded man, who hasn't neglected other important areas of intelligence, such as dealing with other people.

You jest with the professor, but it's happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons

Post: #46

OP how is the english teaching going?

Post: #47

One of my natural buddies is like the dude, guess what he did? He sold lots of marijuana and ran a party house in college. Now that he is out of college along with his friends while he dropped after first semester freshman year. Hardly getting as much pussy as he once did, the girls started seeing him as a bum instead of the fun guy who is always up to party. He still gets his share but not like he use to.

Post: #48

Because the Dude abides because he is written to abide.
In reality he would encounter normal frustrations, but since his role is to abide, he abides.
We don't see him with a blocked toilet, weighing the benefits of getting a plumber, versus buying food for that week.

As for the fast food worker, don't you think the average cinema-goer back in the day was very happy to be "shown" that their lack of high status brings them closer to happiness?
You can't trust movies any more than you can trust advertisements.

Ads sell products by telling you what you want to hear. Movies sell themselves by showing you what you want to see.

You have fewer cares if you have more money. Money facilitates a carefree mind. It is certainly never a problem.
The only thing money can't buy or facilitate is time - but even then, it can extend your life, and make your old age more robust.

This is a bitter pill to swallow - most people don't admit these facts, don't want to admit them.
It opens up a wide vista of challenges that have their successes and failures.
They'd rather avoid the fear of failure than actually have a chance at success.

Post: #49

I suppose for those of you 30+, self-improvement is important. However, you guys have opportunities that will not be available for younger guys like myself. We will not be able to find enclaves of traditional women when we tire of playing the game. We will never be able to have families of our own. The way things are looking now, we probably won't be able to leave a legacy of any kind in a world, not just the a western hemisphere, that is becoming more and more degenerate. For younger guys, hedonism and nihilism is all that's left to us, whether we want it or not.

Post: #50

(11-30-2015 03:40 PM)rw95 Wrote:  I suppose for those of you 30+, self-improvement is important. However, you guys have opportunities that will not be available for younger guys like myself. We will not be able to find enclaves of traditional women when we tire of playing the game. We will never be able to have families of our own. The way things are looking now, we probably won't be able to leave a legacy of any kind in a world, not just the a western hemisphere, that is becoming more and more degenerate. For younger guys, hedonism and nihilism is all that's left to us, whether we want it or not.

You kidding me?

The opportunities are not only still there, they're even easier to pick out. With most girls slutting it up it helps make it easier for you to pick up the true gems from the trash. Surprise surprise, most women aren't worth your time.

You want to find a traditionally minded woman in America? Go join a church, and not just any church find one that is vehemently anti gay and against pre-marital sex. You'll find chaste virgins who are surprisingly attractive. Heck go to a large city and seek out a church like this.

The trick is, you have to believe what they're preaching otherwise you'll get outed quickly.

Finding a woman who is willing to work through a marriage is tough enough, but have you figured out if you're able to handle the stresses of working through a marriage? Marriages take work and will always be difficult for a myriad of reasons.

Hedonism and nihilism are what washed up sluts in their 40s are consigned to. As a man, you have the ability to escape that. Whether you have the mental fortitude to thrive in such an environment is the ultimate test.