Post: #1676

Anyone hoping for a prequel reboot?)

Post: #1677

No.

Post: #1678

(05-30-2018 06:11 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's a perfect example of why some groups are brilliant together but shit apart. There's a few bands that come to mind where they tried to work individually and sucked ass without the entire group checking each other.

Excellent point. The first two Star Wars films were really happy accidents in a lot of ways, especially the first one, which changed a lot in the editing.

There is really no substitute for the man-hours required to world-build at a Tolkien-like OCD level. Lucas really didn't have anywhere near the source material I once imagined he had as a child and it was sort of cobbled together, which is still how Star Wars is done today--and it shows in a jarring amount of incoherence, like the tonal shift between TFA and TLJ.

In retrospect, the level of macro-level planning that goes into the MCU films is more of the model for franchises going forward, which is a new innovation in Hollywood and something that hasn't been duplicated anywhere else...and even with MCU they were drawing upon decades of existing comic book lore.

Post: #1679

To illustrate your point, a young co-worker of mine told me how happy he was that Snoke was killed off in TLJ since he did not think that he was not well written by JJ

Post: #1680

(05-30-2018 11:36 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:11 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's a perfect example of why some groups are brilliant together but shit apart. There's a few bands that come to mind where they tried to work individually and sucked ass without the entire group checking each other.

Excellent point. The first two Star Wars films were really happy accidents in a lot of ways, especially the first one, which changed a lot in the editing.

There is really no substitute for the man-hours required to world-build at a Tolkien-like OCD level. Lucas really didn't have anywhere near the source material I once imagined he had as a child and it was sort of cobbled together, which is still how Star Wars is done today--and it shows in a jarring amount of incoherence, like the tonal shift between TFA and TLJ.

In retrospect, the level of macro-level planning that goes into the MCU films is more of the model for franchises going forward, which is a new innovation in Hollywood and something that hasn't been duplicated anywhere else...and even with MCU they were drawing upon decades of existing comic book lore.

Ay - Star Wars did not happen because of input by the postmodernist writers. Hollywood hired them in the 1970s and people hated it. The French back then ruled world cinema, because they were less postmodernist than the US studios.

Star Wars was a lucky punch where even the ex-wife of Lucas contributed heavily. Lucas of course needs tempering and someone to say no to him or plan ahead better.

The Hollywood studios are missing one big thing or many with their writing by committee and focus-group bullshit. Currently they are ruining movies out of propaganda desires and far left wing postmodernist crap, but even if they did not do it, then they would have to hire people on meritocratic values and simple core-group references.

Star Wars has the same broad public as the Avengers - happy, light, fun, action packed movies in a galaxy far far away. It should not be about fucking Droid Rights or breaking away with all the concepts of good story-telling.

Someone even mentioned that they made Han Solo into a GARY STU. And I agree - sure he was a street urchin and spent some time in the military, but that was just 3 years somewhere off-screen and we saw him drive a glider not overly well even that.

Han Solo is good at gambling for no apparent reason, he is good with his blaster - somewhat. They ruined the character frankly in this movie. If he had been a woman, then he would not have lost against his ex-girlfriend and the guy waving his knives around. In the comics the crime boss is at least force sensitive and he even knows it displaying inhuman Jed-like feats. Also he gets beaten by a 5"2 girl after 3 years worth of training. They could have blended that in making him far more formidable, but then little Miss Sunshine Pussy would not have shined as much.

And note how the fucking empire is nothing in the movie. The bloke just killed a regional commander and not a peep to them? This movie continued with the crap that the big galactic empire meant nothing, when you can kill regional commanders like sacks of potatoes.



You cannot make your enemies/villains pathetic - this was a problem even in the TFA as well as TLJ.

Post: #1681

Quote:TUESDAY BOX OFFICE
1. Solo: A Star Wars Story $7,295,767
2. Deadpool 2 $5,346,203
3. Avengers: Infinity War $1,978,217

Hilarious montage of how the Star Wars shill are standing with their dicks in hand.

They even paid 400 out of 500 viewers in Australia to go see that shitty Solo movie, or they would not have filled a bloody cinema:

https://mumbrella.com.au/solo-a-marketin...ory-519700

Quote:Solo: A Marketing Disaster Story
After Scott Rhodie received a $77 ticket to watch Solo: A Star Wars Story three hours before anyone else in Australia, he was more than a little disappointed after he realised 400 of the 500-strong crowd were paid actors.

Quote:So a few of us got to chatting to more people and found out that out of the 500 people needed, they had only sold 100 or so tickets. The rest of the 500 was made up of paid actors, paid extras etc.

Quote:Everyone received numbers and were told to stand in a designated place, so they could film 500 people with light up things on their hand. A drone took images and video, to show all these ‘fans’ making a Millenium Falcon.

Hilarious - they had to pay people to fake being fans!!!!!!


80% are paid extras and wannabe actors!!!!

You can see a video of that fake news on the site:
https://mumbrella.com.au/solo-a-marketin...ory-519700

Disney and their SJW crappers:

1) The movie did not do well because of too many white male leads
2) The movie did not do well because of Star Wars fatigue
3) The movie did not do well because of evil misogynists

A) It was the result of stuffing every bloody movie with subsequently increasing Social Justice and Feminism propaganda.
B) It was the result of insulting your core audience and claiming that you don't need those sexist white males anymore for anything
C) It was the result of you doing celebrations claiming that SJW crap sells like gangbusters! See you racists! The people like Trigglypuffs, feminazi droids, Mary Sue women, incompetent bumbling emo white men and non-White super-turtles! The people love pansexual comments between the droid and Lando: "My joints are squeaking - you need to do that thing again Lando." Then the droid looks at Lando. You tell me how that is not sexual innuendo - even the half-shills at Rebel missed it.
D) It just takes some time to destroy the biggest franchise in the world - that is all.

Post: #1682

Yeah, Jeremy Jahns is very blue pill, but I enjoy his reviews.

And he had a very interesting point:

"[The Last Jedi] takes the escapism out of Star Wars. When I first saw the Last Jedi, I had that feeling that I had never had in a Star Wars movie before, where I felt like I was watching characters not from a galaxy far, far way but from our own galaxy, and our own solar system, our own planet. From the intro, the way Poe was talking to Huck, I was like 'That's ... that's from our world'."

Watch it all here:

Post: #1683

(05-30-2018 04:38 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Kasdan even said what if we have Luke put on the Vader helmet at the end of VI and say "Now I'm Vader". Jesus the cringe, good job Lucas vetoed.

You know what, that would have been great. It would be the "Red Pilling" of Luke, the point where he's seen and learned enough to turn to the dark side, like his father.

Lucas ended up doing that story using Anakin in the prequels but did a bad job of it.

Post: #1684

(06-01-2018 02:36 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 04:38 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Kasdan even said what if we have Luke put on the Vader helmet at the end of VI and say "Now I'm Vader". Jesus the cringe, good job Lucas vetoed.

You know what, that would have been great. It would be the "Red Pilling" of Luke, the point where he's seen and learned enough to turn to the dark side, like his father.

Lucas ended up doing that story using Anakin in the prequels but did a bad job of it.

The outline of the story was not bad. It was the execution which was not good.
Lucas later admitted that Anakin should have been older - an angry super-powerful in the force teen - the force startng to manifest even without training.
The midichlorians were unnecessary and you scrap the JarJar character, because Lucas thought it had to appeal to 6yo kids while clearly the OT was not designed that way.

I think that most excellent movies need someone to reign in either the director, writer or producer. The only exceptions are few and far in between like Stanley Kubrick who you can allow to do anything, but he could at best film an artsy Star Wars spinoff.

The way to film a Star Wars movie is like Spielberg used to do Back to the Future in the 1980s. Plus there are limitations regarding the universe - regal, space-opera like talk, world far far away. If you change the language to ours, make it "dark and gritty" and not regal, then add social justice and politics to it, focus on inane Global-Warming subplots where suddenly fuel becomes the most pressing and most boring issue, then by golly - the immersion is gone, it feels as if it's actually filmed here on fucking Earth and the characters were reading the local newspapers. It becomes limited and feels no longer like a space opera. It's just a local SF movie on Earth with shitty story-telling because feminism has to be squeezed into it.

Who ever thought of sex with a droid in the first 6 movies? Who in his right mind would have thought of droid rights, when the droids get mind-wiped even by the Rebels? They are more like funny walking Alexas or computer game characters - yes, funny and cute, but not alive.

Ah well.... Disney miscalculated. Maybe they thought that the people were indoctrinated enough to swallow all the social justice and still give them money.

Post: #1685

I still really like all the prequels. The overall story and most characters were great. It just needed to ditch the gungans in 1, the overdone droid jokes in 2, the horrible love story dialogue in 2 and 3, and general grievous in 3. Everything else about them was great. And there really needed to be some assassinations of key Jedi in 2 and 3 by palpatine as a precursor to war, instead of the order 66 plot.

Post: #1686

(06-01-2018 02:36 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 04:38 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Kasdan even said what if we have Luke put on the Vader helmet at the end of VI and say "Now I'm Vader". Jesus the cringe, good job Lucas vetoed.

You know what, that would have been great. It would be the "Red Pilling" of Luke, the point where he's seen and learned enough to turn to the dark side, like his father.

Lucas ended up doing that story using Anakin in the prequels but did a bad job of it.

I pictured Luke wandering into the desert after all the shit, akin to Dune or Mad Max..like this, for actual introspection....instead of just a mope like The Last Jedi.

Rian Johnson and JJ could have done with "Go get Daddy's belt " session.

Post: #1687

Post: #1688

When the prequel trilogy concluded in 2005, I walked out of the theater thinking it couldn't get any worse for the franchise. Jeez.

The Force Awakens had its moments and Rogue One was pretty damn mediocre (aside from the last act and the Darth Vader fan service at the end).
Still haven't seen TLJ or Soylo, and I may never at this rate.

At this point, I only acknowledge the original trilogy as canon. Everything else is an alternate re-imagining/licensed fan fiction.

Post: #1689

(06-01-2018 11:18 AM)christpuncher Wrote:  I still really like all the prequels. The overall story and most characters were great. It just needed to ditch the gungans in 1, the overdone droid jokes in 2, the horrible love story dialogue in 2 and 3, and general grievous in 3. Everything else about them was great. And there really needed to be some assassinations of key Jedi in 2 and 3 by palpatine as a precursor to war, instead of the order 66 plot.

I still get weirded out meeting someone who likes the prequels. I suppose it is when you know you are getting old. Did you see the prequels before the originals?

Post: #1690

(05-30-2018 11:36 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:11 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  That's a perfect example of why some groups are brilliant together but shit apart. There's a few bands that come to mind where they tried to work individually and sucked ass without the entire group checking each other.

Excellent point. The first two Star Wars films were really happy accidents in a lot of ways, especially the first one, which changed a lot in the editing.

There is really no substitute for the man-hours required to world-build at a Tolkien-like OCD level. Lucas really didn't have anywhere near the source material I once imagined he had as a child and it was sort of cobbled together, which is still how Star Wars is done today--and it shows in a jarring amount of incoherence, like the tonal shift between TFA and TLJ.

In retrospect, the level of macro-level planning that goes into the MCU films is more of the model for franchises going forward, which is a new innovation in Hollywood and something that hasn't been duplicated anywhere else...and even with MCU they were drawing upon decades of existing comic book lore.

I love highly detailed Scifi world building. I will say it has been done elsewhere. Babylon 5 was a 5 year long TV series with a cohesive story line spanning from the beginning of the universe, to 1000 years before the main storyline present, to 5-10 years before storyline present, to 3 years week by week in the story line present, to 20 years after. It has some absolutely epic, maximum stakes moments, with fantastic payoffs in many cases. It showcases some real high concept scifi ideas along the way.

One of my favorite shows. I have it all on DVD. Time to watch it again. As for the Star Wars universe, it could have been so much better than it has turned out to be.

Post: #1691

I didn't actually mind the prequels in terms of the meatier aspects of the films. Subversives running both sides of the same war in order to gain total power over the galaxy. Building secret armies. Using witless players and disposing of them when they're no longer useful. Robed super-assassins tasked with dropping behind enemy lines and murdering enemy leaders. Armadas blockading entire planets. That's heavy stuff.

I think if you took the three films and edited out all the kiddie crap leaving only the grander elements it would actually make one really good film.

Post: #1692

(06-01-2018 09:37 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ...I think if you took the three films and edited out all the kiddie crap leaving only the grander elements it would actually make one really good film.

Which is still more than one could say for the current 'Farce Awakens' trilogy.

Edit out all the crap from Farce & Lackluster... & you won't be left with much at all...

Post: #1693

If someone had the authority to sit Lucas down make some basic tweaks, the Prequels could have been great. Spend a little time focusing on the relationship between Plagueis and Sidious - maybe even end TPM with Sidious killing him before leaving for Qui-Gon's funeral. And show us how Sidious turned Dooku so we know it's something he can later do to Anakin. As it stands, Anakin's fall comes from nowhere - he's a Jedi one minute and slaughtering children the next. Make Anakin menacing, he's just a whiny brat when he's fighting Obi Wan.

Post: #1694

I agree that the downfall of Anakin was handled entirely incorrectly.

Raising a male teen I have respect for the fact that they suddenly come to a lot of physical power that they don't know how to use responsibly, and it can be a very dangerous time in their lives. In a sense they grow the iron fist before they learn the velvet glove.

It would have been far more fitting for Anakin's power to have surpassed even Yoda's or Windu's prior to him learning the restraint to use it responsibly. As it was you only got the sense that the Jedi council regarded him as a spoiled brat of minimal consequence. Obi-Wan defeats him 1v1 in the end and you're left wondering "why was anyone really worried about him in the first place?"

Scenes throughout the movie where Anakin came to power that verged on being massively dangerous and far beyond that of his peers would have made the threat of him turning to the dark side seem more relevant. Something more akin to the broken power levels displayed in Akira. The Jedi council should have been presented with the dilemma of "we have to fix this guy or fix this guy".







In the end ObiWan should never have been able to defeat him on his own merit. There should at least have been some level of crafty trickery involved to get by Anakin's supposedly prodigious control of the force.

Frankly I would been happier to see the prequel trilogy ending up leaving the unmistakable impression that Lucas had ripped off the Tetsuo Shima character to whatever degree was reasonably permissible.

Post: #1695

< I too like the prequels. They have close to zero propaganda and that is why the globalist media hated them.

And some tweaking could have made the prequels great. Anakin should have been an angry teen who is both likeable, but also dark right from the beginning.

George Lucas is but one man and he made the error of surrounding himself with too many yes-men. But note that he loved the Robot-chicken Star wars movies and probably laughed at certain points himself.





But his errors were honest - he really tried to craft a great story.

He did NOT DESTROY STAR WARS. Despite all the vitriol spewed at him the toys still sold and kids loved the franchise. The spirit of the brand remained intact.

Post: #1696

(06-02-2018 03:51 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But his errors were honest - he really tried to craft a great story.

Truth. He never really loved Star Wars as much as the fans did. His first love is Indiana Jones. He made the prequels mainly due to fan demand and for his adopted kids, and in some part to remain relevant and creative. He is a flawed creator, but there was no political agenda behind it in the slightest, nor any commercial cynicism. The man is the ultimate introvert.

source: I worked on Episode III at the Ranch. Saw him every Friday for art review. Have a lot of great stories, but don't want to risk my professional rep if someone would find out about it (as unlikely as that might be)

Post: #1697

(05-31-2018 08:11 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

Does there really need to be a jump-cut after every...single...sentence? It makes him look like fucking Max Headroom (now I'm dating myself).

Post: #1698

(06-02-2018 07:31 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:11 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

Does there really need to be a jump-cut after every...single...sentence? It makes him look like fucking Max Headroom (now I'm dating myself).

I suspect that he does the same thing Philip De Franco does, where he records while he's talking out loud about his ideas. The jumps are to remove the pauses. My guess is that it's the only way to generate the content in a cost effective manner.

Post: #1699

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E...smsnnews11

Quote:On its second Friday, "Solo" only made $8.1 million, a staggering 77 percent drop from the already low $35.3 million the "Star Wars" anthology film made on its opening day.

77% down - all while having zero competition! The people rather stay at home than go to the cinema. Everyone was clearing the schedule to not compete with Star Wars - the biggest franchise. They won't do that again.

The movie made 8 mio. $ on a Friday across the US!

Both the Avengers and Deadpool 2 came before and Deadpool is R-rated, so not comparable.

Solo could have run uninterrupted for 3 weeks, but no one wants to see Disney propaganda anymore.

Post: #1700

(06-01-2018 09:37 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I didn't actually mind the prequels in terms of the meatier aspects of the films. Subversives running both sides of the same war in order to gain total power over the galaxy. Building secret armies. Using witless players and disposing of them when they're no longer useful. Robed super-assassins tasked with dropping behind enemy lines and murdering enemy leaders. Armadas blockading entire planets. That's heavy stuff.

I think if you took the three films and edited out all the kiddie crap leaving only the grander elements it would actually make one really good film.

I know what your saying, every Hollywood film has clunky empty exposition making is feel nothing and unbelievable relationships/events these days, but they get a free pass, and is giving rave reviews, so why not them? Because Lucas shows the plebs the ideas of false flags, hidden agendas and the NWO (or whatever name you want to call it) in a visible large way.

Revenge of the Sith was one of the best memorable times I had at the cinema, and I'd fight anyone on that. Total immersion. Felt like Lucas made them all, just to make that one, to end it. Hell it might even be favourite of the 6. Maybe I have terrible taste, but I like some of the "acclaimed" well written TV series (Mad Men/The Wire) that are being wrote today as well, so I don't know.
Amazing when Lucas knuckled down and intended, he could nail melancholy/dread:





Look at this, I know I shouldn't like this but I do, the weight of it all, I know Williams is doing most of the work, its like the worlds highest budgeted soap opera (what is Mad Men), so after murdering the kids...wait hang on, did Anakin think Obi Wan was banging his wife? Rough 3:08 is a great moment:





The acting blows away the Disney films (Rogue One aside)

David Stewart does a good analysis of Episode 2





There is also the Ring Theory where Lucas tried to fit all 6 films into an old abstract story structure, now that doesn't make up for bad writing and validate or make the trilogy a work of genius, but its fascinating never the less. How many blockbuster experiment like this? None, Lucas was running the biggest independent studio in the world, and he could push the company wherever he wanted, this never happens the financier and director as CEO, he realised in the 90's that he had thousands working for him too an reliant on him as well, I'm sure that undoubtely played apart as well. He wasn't going to put the company into decline financially, producing nought.

Autism: http://www.starwarsringtheory.com


There is something to be said for the fact that years later people still talk and theorize over the prequels, when films last week are forgotten and buried like they never existed and a fart in the wind.

Also John Williams was ON FIRE with inspiration in these films, Rian Johnson and JJ musn't be allowing squat.

Revenge of the Sith had an incredible novelisation, which is not only great SW book, but one of the finest books I've ever read of any genre, Lucas sat down with the author Matthew Strover years beforehand and let him develop the book it along with the film. If only he had filmed the book...oh wow. Film novelisations are usually terrible cash ins and to avoided like the plague this is is the exact opposite. Here it is:

http://crashrhinoceros.com/STAR%20WARS/S...tover).pdf