Post: #4201

Soros openly says he is against the nation-state in this article.

Quote:“His [Orban's] plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle,” he said in the statement. “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national border as the obstacle.”

The above quote is Soro's response to the Orban, who said the following:

Quote:His name is perhaps the strongest example of those who support anything that weakens nation states, they support everything that changes the traditional European lifestyle,” Orban said in an interview on public radio Kossuth. “These activists who support immigrants inadvertently become part of this international human-smuggling network.”

What Soros is talking about in the first quote is the concept known as the Open Society. I read a little about it on wikipedia.

The concept of an open society was first coined by French philosopher Henri Bergson and then developed by Austrian philosopher Karl Popper. Soros was a student of Karl Popper. From my understanding, the notion of the Open Society is a counter authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Popper wrote a book about it titled The Open Society and its Enemies. In it, he sees Plato's idea of the state as totalitarian and argues for the Open Society, which is just liberal democracy.

As for Soros, I am not sure what his true intentions are. However, he does understand the limits and problems with democracy.

Take, for example, these quotes from this article.

Quote:Popper failed to recognize that in democratic politics, gathering public support takes precedence over the purist of truth.

Quote:But in politics the electorate’s perception of reality can be easily manipulated. As a result, political discourse, even in democratic societies, does not necessarily lead to better understanding of reality.

Quote:The reason democratic politics leads to manipulation is that politicians do not aspire to tell the truth. They want to win elections, and the best way to do that is to skew reality to their own benefit.

The aforementioned quotes from Soros lead me to believe that Soros and elites like him knows how to exploit the current system for their own interests. Consequently, if we wish to save European civilization then liberal democracy has to be abolished and replaced with something else.

As for Soros and other elites like him, it is hard to know what their true intentions are. However, they are all looking out for their own interests. It could be possible that Soros and other elites actually believe in an Open Society or they actually do hate European civilization. Most likely, I think that the majority of the elites are apathetic to how the consequences of their actions impacts European civilization. They are either oblivious to reality or simply don't care what happens as long as they continue to make more money and acquire more power.

Post: #4202

The day Soros dies I will smoke a cigar and rejoice and drink for death the great equalizer.

Post: #4203

(11-03-2015 12:22 AM)greekgod Wrote:  When I finally understood understood where the real power lies and how gov't are puppets, a question arose in my mind. If a politically motivated group of terror wanted to make an impact, why wouldn't they go after the events where western power is highly concentrated at luxurious resorts for a weekend of agenda planning? Trilateral, Basel, the retreats in Wyoming, etc, etc.

If an organization wanted to really impact the west and hurt their leadership that would be the play. It would also truly scare the moneyed powers that ruin their countries and lives.

However, it seems they are either A. too dumb or B. Bought of to be scary and attack symbols to maximize fear and "potential threats" while being controlled.

This is when I realized how deep the finance/MIC complex connection goes.

There are even more questions:

+ If ISIS/Al-Quaeda/Islamic State is such a formidable foe, then why don't they attack Isreal or Israeli targets? Why do they bother with Iraq, Syria or Libya? Sure - easier prey, but not even some minor attacks?

+ Also the money issue is never really addressed - even in academia it is smartly ignored as if it never existed - despite the fact that there have been highly successful examples like Woergl, Canada pre 1965, part of Nazi economy etc.



http://positivemoney.org/how-money-works...d-up-here/

There is no stopping this if money rules the world, politicians and media get paid by the money power and soldiers are ordered to let it all happen.

Trying to reason with soldiers, media or politicians is useless, since they are all owned by the same power.

Soros seems to me like one of the boogeymen they allow us to see - he is seemingly everywhere and gets the bad press - Ukraine, Ferguson, Syria, migration crap.

But the reality is that it's not just Soros - the entire West is complicit, because they are beholden to one group.

So it will all continue. Somehow I doubt that voting will count. You also have to keep in mind, that letting in 10 million is equal to letting in 50 million as they pull their families. My guess is that the flow will continue until far right governments are in place. At that time 20-50 million might have come over already. With family reunions that will make 100-250 million hostile invaders in Europe. Even if the borders are shut after that, Europe will become a special kind of hell for the majority of the population.

Post: #4204

(11-03-2015 02:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Somehow I doubt that voting will count.

Indeed. The only real democracy is Switzerland, where they can vote on anything, not just vote for representatives. We have to move from representative democracy to direct democracy and vote on issues through the internet.

I do not want to vote for people and "hope" they do what they promised to do, I want to vote on solutions.

Post: #4205

(11-03-2015 01:55 AM)quino_16 Wrote:  Soros openly says he is against the nation-state in this article.

When you are truly at the top, like Soros (at least he is putting his name out there), then nation states are indeed the obstacle.

Orban is making the case for Hungarian nationalism and a Christian European identity. Do you think this is sincere? Maybe. Interesting fact, I'm pretty sure Orban was one of Soros' Open Society Foundation Scholars back in the late 1980s early 1990s.

Quote:As for Soros and other elites like him, it is hard to know what their true intentions are.

I think the intentions are not that hard to understand. The methods are economic (finance, debt driven, see above) backed up by media consent and military muscle when necessary.

The open question is if the success of the full court press towards globalism (economic, cultural) is inevitable, or not.

The other question, is do the globalists believe this is actually good for everyone as advertised, or simply good for them. I fear it is the latter.

Post: #4206

(11-03-2015 01:25 AM)N°6 Wrote:  A Syrian is present at the Syrian Peace Conference (with the 'rebel' Syrian flag) but as the waiter.

Be aware, this picture is from a german satirical magazine.

Post: #4207

Libya warns it could flood Europe with migrants if EU does not recognise new Islamist government

Does anyone believe this is not biological warfare anymore?
The really funny part is that Europe can easily stop the invasion in a heartbeat - just sink a few boats and let them drown. That will send a clear message. But, no, it is not happening when your population is made up of soft morons and traitorous politicians.

Post: #4208

(11-03-2015 03:39 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  Libya warns it could flood Europe with migrants if EU does not recognise new Islamist government

Does anyone believe this is not biological warfare anymore?
The really funny part is that Europe can easily stop the invasion in a heartbeat - just sink a few boats and let them drown. That will send a clear message. But, no, it is not happening when your population is made up of soft morons and traitorous politicians.

Of course - are migrants coming over with their aircraft carriers, destroyers and submarines?

Here we come - the unstoppable force - the only terrible force they have is the betrayal of the elite and the compassion of the European people.

Post: #4209

Man, this video makes me feel so good.

Czech police arrests pro immigration activists (beta SJWs) that are trying to disrupt peaceful anti immigration protest.
Yes you are reading it right, pro immigration activists are the ones being arrested.

Post: #4210

(11-03-2015 05:16 AM)Wrec Wrote:  Man, this video makes me feel so good.

Czech police arrests pro immigration activists (beta SJWs) that are trying to disrupt peaceful anti immigration protest.
Yes you are reading it right, pro immigration activists are the ones being arrested.

Police in Eastern Europe can do this, because the ranks of the protesters are not filled with violent migrants and even more violent far-left Antifa members. Those violent leftists are found in every Western country, because they never experienced what real communism does to you. Thus the opposition to most marches is comprised of a few feeble neo-Hippy liberals.

Post: #4211

Yes. Its kind of funny how those people complain about the German police. There is no shooting, no beating up people in general. The police often has a more de-escalation tactic. But well, the more de-escalation the bigger the riots of them.

Post: #4212

@Zelcorpion
"So it will all continue. Somehow I doubt that voting will count. You also have to keep in mind, that letting in 10 million is equal to letting in 50 million as they pull their families. My guess is that the flow will continue until far right governments are in place. At that time 20-50 million might have come over already. With family reunions that will make 100-250 million hostile invaders in Europe. Even if the borders are shut after that, Europe will become a special kind of hell for the majority of the population."
I don't doubt that, even as depressing as it reads, if current trends continue, you are absolutely correct in this statement, particularly for the hugely cucked nations like Sweden, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria and despite some resistance, France and UK too of course.
I would hope that Eastern European nations will not allow themselves to be overrun with invaders, I would have some hope for them, also Portugal and Ireland due to their geographical distance from the problem won't succumb as badly.
Thankfully, I may have the option of moving to Switzerland in the future, thank Christ they're not in the EU, as the woman in charge now would probably allow for tens if not hundreds of thousands to come in if she had the legislative power to do so.

Post: #4213

After in the new budget law in Bulgaria pay and benefit cuts for both the police and the army were proposed, the police have blocked Sofia and threaten to refuse to go to work and do their duties. That includes the border police as well.

Brace yourselves, if there are no police officers on the Bulgarian-turkish border, that means that literally anybody from the Turkish 'refugee' camps can simply walk in the EU. Just like that.
The shit will hit the fan.

I hope our cuck of a prime minister will back down (he has done that multiple times after past protests). The sum in question is not even particularly high.

Post: #4214

(11-03-2015 02:30 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  I do not want to vote for people and "hope" they do what they promised to do, I want to vote on solutions.

I'd be happy if whomever the Australian Public voted in as Prime Minister would still be Prime Minister by the end of their term.

Post: #4215

Quote:"So it will all continue. Somehow I doubt that voting will count. You also have to keep in mind, that letting in 10 million is equal to letting in 50 million as they pull their families. My guess is that the flow will continue until far right governments are in place. At that time 20-50 million might have come over already. With family reunions that will make 100-250 million hostile invaders in Europe. Even if the borders are shut after that, Europe will become a special kind of hell for the majority of the population."

That's the worst case scenario, certainly terrifying but unlikely to happen. Remember that the overwhelming majority of foreigners entering Europe do so for purely economic reasons, namely state welfare benefits. What happens when these funds dry up, or are simply denied to them? They'll stop coming. Enforcing border security means nothing when migrants have powerful economic incentives to leave home - the U.S. is a prime example of this (believe it or not, the U.S. is quite aggressive in policing the border).

Sooner or later, life will become a living hell for migrants already in Europe. They'll be treated poorly in public, they'll be denied jobs, they'll be harassed and abused by impatient police forces stretched to the limit. The parades will end, the left-wing activists sucking the goat slime from the invaders' dicks will stay at home, fearful of inevitable right-wing retribution. And with enough bad treatment, they'll realize life back home wasn't all too bad.

Consider what would happen if even 200 million foreigners arrive. How will they eat without integration into public life? Where will they sleep? What happens when winter kicks in? These people have no history of agriculture or technological progress. The only option available to such an invading force is to militarily capture and hold territory, which is a complete impossibility (remember, these are Arabs and Africans who can't even do so with standing armies).

There's no happy ending for them, period. They're just too ideologically backwards and genetically inbred to realize it.

Post: #4216

You're forgetting the very real fact that they would choose a western EU country over their home countries any day of the week. The educated migrants may move up or out but the majority of these scavengers will become exactly that, scavengers.

Welfare will keep on rising in a myriad of ways. How else do you explain no-go zones in France, Italy and Spain where African migrants drink alcohol and cause trouble?

Crime will go up to compensate and they will take the necessary action. Its akin to wondering why drug users rob people in a violent manner when there are drug rehab programs at hand. They want to keep their habit because they know nothing else.

Post: #4217

Quote:You're forgetting the very real fact that they would choose a western EU country over their home countries any day of the week.

They prefer Western EU countries only in their current state. Without welfare benefits, social acceptance, jobs, apartments, or physical safety/security, they have zero incentive to enter or live in Western countries. No sane man, woman, or child would cross a militarized border from a poor, dangerous area to cross into an even poorer, more dangerous area.

Humans choose the path of least resistance. When "home" is the path of least resistance, we win. Simple as that.

Post: #4218

(11-03-2015 12:04 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  There's no happy ending for them, period. They're just too ideologically backwards and genetically inbred to realize it.

There is no happy ending for them, but you are forgetting that the governments will rather tax everyone to the ground before they stop giving their dear invaders sufficient living funds.

And frankly that scam can be played a long long time. Yes - the migrants are being used to simply destroy any potential future opposition by the people in the West.

There are actually only 2 options in the end, but that may be decades away:

1. War: Muslims vs Everyone
2. Totalitarian state that has to now fight against the rising terrorism, rioting, crime

The second option sounds more likely and would fit perfectly.

Post: #4219

(11-03-2015 12:04 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  ...

That's all well and good if it happens in a short timeframe (let's say 10 years). My more realistic scenario for what will happen is: Europe accepts on average 3 million per year for the next 30 years, that is already 90 million. This type of influx is possible if the bitch merkel and the eurocrats get their permanent 'refugee distribution scheme' going on. That's the purpose of the old hag : to mask the decline by spreading it more evenly, so nothing 'unplanned' happens.
Such an influx will probably lead to Europeans becoming a minority among the newborns between 2025 and 2035 (on the continent as a whole).
It's optimistic to think that people will somehow rise up against this. White Americans are already a minority among the newborns (though if you include white hispanics in the mix, they will probably float above 50% for a few years still).
Have you seen any backlash?

Ethnic Bulgarians are probably (no reliable hard data exists on that) around 50% of births in Bulgaria currently. Nothing has happened. People just jog on in life, posting selfies and watching stupid TV shows.

The only thing that can save (a subset of) Europeans is secession - both from the invading hordes and from the leftist scum enabling them.

A lot of people here place more faith in the younger generations. I do not. They have been thoroughly indoctrinated and, as a result, only 29% of Germans between 12 and 25 years old see immigration as a problem. The proportion will of course rise as they experience the 'joys' of diversity - but it'll be too late by then.

Post: #4220

^ They won't be able to reign in local resistance against immigration at current inflow-levels of 4 million per year. No way are they going to make it last for 20 -30 years. Their biggest chance is to usher in as many as possible as quickly as possible before most of Europe prefers voting in Hitler than continuing with this madness. So essentially they will likely be able to open the floodgates for 4-6 years of 5-10 million per year. 20-40 million will balloon to 100-200 million with family reunions.

Meanwhile many conciding policies go on at the same like the TPP which is the WTO on steroids as well as the new coming Green Hell and the fake global warming.

Also who knows - sun activity is predicted to fall for the next decades and a new mini-ice age caused by the very sun (and not by us) might hit us starting from 2016, so we will see how that will limit the inflow. Currently the resistance is rising and it is also possible that they will close the gates in 2016/17 and try again 10 years later, when 100% of their invaders will vote for more immigrants actively attacking organizations like the German PEGIDA.

Post: #4221

Here a panopticum of various news from Absurdistan:

https://www.change.org/p/city-of-munich-...ktoberfest

Change.org petition to ban German Oktoberfest because it offends Muslims worldwide. It got some 500 votes. I am sure in the years to come there will be tens of thousands.

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German trick-o-treating girls being tricked to recite Muslim conversion prayer essentially making them Muslim:





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Scenes and opinions from locals in Austria - video by the anti-immigration FPO party:





The locals describe it as a pure invasion of 92% men with only 8% families. The usual stuff of shit on the street, plunder.

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Austrian independent journalist confirming that the main stations from Austria are not even sent where the biggest wildest crowds are. They are instructed to film where few people are getting and where it appears more orderly. Also the police says that it is pure chaos. They have to let everyone in without any control or there would be injuries and they would be accused of causing it. Austrian police says that anyone could be armed for all they know.

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And here a special propaganda article by the German press:

"RIGHT OF IMMIGRATION HAS TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROPERTY RIGHTS!"



The picture is even very telling displaying men this time who come as conquerors - they have rights, the right to immigrate, to take your money, your place and I guess rape your children and women.

http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/ar...recht.html

The UN admits that 218.000 came in October alone. I wonder how they know that in detail - are they using excellent satellite surveillance for that?

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Here the German cuck-DBB (train company) says "refugees welcome" in Arabic:



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Merkel hopes that in a few years people will say: "She did very well with that."



That's a stupid joke - they will curse your name. The name Angela will not be used in Germany except by some invaders.

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According to a top-economist then every refugee will help give money to the German government.

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article148...ow_twitter

In your dreams buddy. Even if you have somehow based your study on some data, then I am sure that they are based on the Turkish migrants in the 1970s, when there was a net negative unemployment rate and 100% of the first generation had instantly work.



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It actually looks like an invasion - look at that - boat after boat:



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Oh - in case anyone was wondering who is helping them to stock them up with raingear, coats, socks etc:




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Post: #4223

I think this will be the final nail in the EU project coffin. Secession movements will rise.

This map is not out of the realm of possibility. Bavaria already said they would make a fence to keep off the invaders for example.



Also, eastern Europe's view on this is clear. Hungary already said fuck you all, built a fence. Slovakia simply refused to accept any quota, would even leave the EU over this. Poland is not keen either. Switzerland already banned minarets.

The biggest hotspots are in Germany, Sweden, France, UK, a lot of areas are in these countries are fucked already, but with secession they can be isolated and the invaders can enjoy their on little shit-hole in Europe.

Post: #4224

German Youth Should be Forced to Perform Compulsory Labor

An MP for the CDU [Angela Merkel’s party], Eckhardt Rehberg, demands that german youths perform compulsory labor to master the rising numbers of asylum seekers. “We need compulsory service. We have no other way to be able to master the mass of refugees and their integration.”

They are supposed to relieve volunteer workers, who are at their limit of exhaustion. Rehberg said: “We need compulsory service. We have no other way to be able to master the mass of refugees and their integration.” According to his suggestion, after young Germans graduate school, they have a choice in front of them, either go serve in the military for a year, or to serve one year in social services.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/arbeit-macht-frei/

And everyone will go surprised when Hitler 2 rises... you can only push people so far. One big reason for the second world war was France forced a huge payment settlement on Germany after ww1 which stopped the German economy to recover so people started to resent France and other European countries.

Post: #4225

(11-03-2015 02:55 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  According to his suggestion, after young Germans graduate school, they have a choice in front of them, either go serve in the military for a year, or to serve one year in social services.

To be honest, if the majority of graduating German men choose the military, that can only be good for them - and a boost to the future resistence.