Post: #201

(08-26-2015 09:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Charleston saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much.

How can it not be about race, when this Flanagan shooter spent years at his work places complaining all the time about racial issues! He was clearly obsessed with race (see the dailymail for details)... Also, please remember that he did send a 26-page manifesto full of "race-war" references and racial insults... Yet it is not about race

Also, I can quote you word for word (just changing Charleston for Ferguson) and apply it to the Roof shooter:

"For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Ferguson saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much"

Same mental process for Flanagan and Roof : both were losers, unemployed, sexually frustrated and insecure, angry at the current state of race relations, selfish, attention-whoring in the pursuit of their heinous crimes...

Post: #202

(08-27-2015 04:43 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Charleston saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much.

How can it not be about race, when this Flanagan shooter spent years at his work places complaining all the time about racial issues! He was clearly obsessed with race (see the dailymail for details)... Also, please remember that he did send a 26-page manifesto full of "race-war" references and racial insults... Yet it is not about race

Also, I can quote you word for word (just changing Charleston for Ferguson) and apply it to the Roof shooter:

"For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Ferguson saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much"

Same mental process for Flanagan and Roof : both were losers, unemployed, sexually frustrated and insecure, angry at the current state of race relations, selfish, attention-whoring in the pursuit of their heinous crimes...

Actually it's about mental illness is why it's not about race. Nor is this about sexual orientation, misogyny, or guns.

The guy had a long history of imagined racial and sexual orientation discrimination victimization. The operative word being IMAGINED He brought two lawsuits years apart, filed numerous complaints with the EEOC and management at various jobs and in every case they were dismissed because they were unfounded. The only place there was a discrimination issue going on was inside his fucked up head. That's why it's not about race

Post: #203

America is more integrated than ever. The highest number of mixed race births are between white and blacks, even in the south, must be a lot of hate sex going. Not going to make very good soldiers for the race-war. I think more RnB videos will be made instead.

Realistically gay black guy just wants to get in on the action, must've felt left out since all the lone gunman club has been a white man's game since the DC sniper.

Post: #204

Not good.

Post: #205

(08-27-2015 07:26 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 04:43 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:56 PM)kosko Wrote:  For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Charleston saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much.

How can it not be about race, when this Flanagan shooter spent years at his work places complaining all the time about racial issues! He was clearly obsessed with race (see the dailymail for details)... Also, please remember that he did send a 26-page manifesto full of "race-war" references and racial insults... Yet it is not about race

Also, I can quote you word for word (just changing Charleston for Ferguson) and apply it to the Roof shooter:

"For a petty psycho who used deflection all his life to navigate his issues it was easy bait for him to digest the Ferguson saga and loosely put in on his issues of being a unemployable loser who just is feeling himself to much"

Same mental process for Flanagan and Roof : both were losers, unemployed, sexually frustrated and insecure, angry at the current state of race relations, selfish, attention-whoring in the pursuit of their heinous crimes...

Actually it's about mental illness is why it's not about race. Nor is this about sexual orientation, misogyny, or guns.

The guy had a long history of imagined racial and sexual orientation discrimination victimization. The operative word being IMAGINED He brought two lawsuits years apart, filed numerous complaints with the EEOC and management at various jobs and in every case they were dismissed because they were unfounded. The only place there was a discrimination issue going on was inside his fucked up head. That's why it's not about race

Once again, I can apply your rationalization text, to the Roof shooter:

"The guy had a long history of imagined racial victimization (he had his first girlfriend 'taken' from him by a Black man). The only place there was a racial issue about that (cause it was just a Game issue), was inside his fucked up head. That's why it's not about race"

See? If Flanagan was just mentally ill and not racist (in spite of his manifesto and its written, boiling racism), then by the exact same standards, Roof was also mentally ill and not racist (in spite of his manifesto and written, boiling racism)...

Double standards as usual... crazy White racist dude (Roof) goes on a media-whoring rampage, he is the Devil itself, the World will never be the same. But, crazy Black racist dude (Flanagan) goes on a media-whoring rampage, he is just mentally ill and a sad, hurt "Wounds-Collector"...

But anyway, the father and ex-bf of the blonde victim, both agree with you:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4446038671001...intcmp=uzb (5' mark)

Clearly, they both don't want to be dragged in a race thing, and are afraid to talk about the shooter motives.

By the way, I much prefer and totally respect, the way a Black family would have reacted to such a drama (the loss of a dear one) (with more anger and visible pain)...

Post: #206

I don't like to comment on these types of incidents because they hit a bit too close to home for me... and I prefer not to get into the middle of the gun debate nonsense. I will say that this is a tragic and senseless - there's absolutely no reason these two people should have had their lives taken from them like this.

Post: #207

(08-27-2015 08:01 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Actually it's about mental illness is why it's not about race. Nor is this about sexual orientation, misogyny, or guns.

The guy had a long history of imagined racial and sexual orientation discrimination victimization. The operative word being IMAGINED He brought two lawsuits years apart, filed numerous complaints with the EEOC and management at various jobs and in every case they were dismissed because they were unfounded. The only place there was a discrimination issue going on was inside his fucked up head. That's why it's not about race

(08-27-2015 08:01 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Once again, I can apply your rationalization text, to the Roof shooter:

"The guy had a long history of imagined racial victimization (he had his first girlfriend 'taken' from him by a Black man). The only place there was a racial issue about that (cause it was just a Game issue), was inside his fucked up head. That's why it's not about race"

See? If Flanagan was just mentally ill and not racist (in spite of his manifesto and its written, boiling racism), then by the exact same standards, Roof was also mentally ill and not racist (in spite of his manifesto and written, boiling racism)...

Double standards as usual... crazy White racist dude (Roof) goes on a media-whoring rampage, he is the Devil itself, the World will never be the same. But, crazy Black racist dude (Flanagan) goes on a media-whoring rampage, he is just mentally ill and a sad, hurt "Wounds-Collector"...

But anyway, the father and ex-bf of the blonde victim, both agree with you:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4446038671001...intcmp=uzb (5' mark)

Clearly, they both don't want to be dragged in a race thing, and are afraid to talk about the shooter motives.

By the way, I much prefer and totally respect, the way a Black family would have reacted to such a drama (the loss of a dear one) (with more anger and visible pain)...

I didn't excluded Roof. Actually my argument is that in BOTH cases mental illness was the cause and their racism was a manifested effect. I'm no clinical psychologist but both of them committed deadly violence against people that had not injured or threatened them. The victims offenses and the perpetrator's rationale were totally manufactured by their psychosis. I don't give a flying buttered monkey turd what they said their motivations were. No sane person kills another person without a real (as opposed to imaginary) reason. They are/were BOTH fucked in the head.

EDIT: The Aurora movie killer said that he believed that killing people would give him "more life points" (whatever the fuck that means). That doesn't make those killings a "life point" issue anymore than this was a race issue.

Post: #208

Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but isn't CBS News regarded as one of the more"liberal" US media outlets? (I use the ""'s because I believe there are almost no true liberals in public life in the US).

So CBS itself probably supported, and supports, many causes we here describe a "SJW" related. Do you think anyone there has enough self-awareness to link their support of activism to this incident?

Post: #209

(08-27-2015 02:33 AM)dads Wrote:  You have a right to your opinion, and I respect you greatly as a poster and writer. However, reading this, and knowing it is how a sizable faction of the manosphere thinks has made me decide to not participate in this corner of the internet anymore. Not that I think it matters, I'm 100% less valuable of a member of this forum than you are, but it is extremely difficult as an black guy to feel apart of a community where a majority of dudes agree with this or would be willing to ignore it.

I at least sympathize and understand how you feel, and also understand samseau POV. I am Jewish and am stuck with the effects of all the socialist apostate Jews who stir up hell in the West, and then they blame Jews for it (I think its more related to smart people getting stupid ideas; Jews tend to be smarter). At the same time, you have to deal with all the criminality and stuff that blacks tend to commit that you are no part of. I think the only solution is that the good blacks (and good anyone) need to outreproduce and hamper the reproduction of the bad. That is why I have recently began to support the aggressive and quick use of the death penalty for severely antisocial crimes (murder, actual rape, robbery, etc). Get that scum out of the gene pool. There in fact was a study that said aggressive used of the death penalty in Europe in the Middle Ages greatly reduced the crime rate.

Post: #210

(08-26-2015 03:12 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  


Pictures from Heartiste.

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Saw a picture similar to this one on the Front Page of The Sun Journal here in Toronto. The only difference was that she didn't notice the killer yet and was going on about her business but we could see him aim the gun at them. I'm an MMA fan and even me I couldn't look at this picture, and yet a group of people at a jounal decided to put in on the front page! This is the world that we live in I guess where is all about the $$$. Feeling disgusted by that Front cover. RIP to the victims.

Post: #211

(08-27-2015 10:17 AM)zaqan Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 02:33 AM)dads Wrote:  You have a right to your opinion, and I respect you greatly as a poster and writer. However, reading this, and knowing it is how a sizable faction of the manosphere thinks has made me decide to not participate in this corner of the internet anymore. Not that I think it matters, I'm 100% less valuable of a member of this forum than you are, but it is extremely difficult as an black guy to feel apart of a community where a majority of dudes agree with this or would be willing to ignore it.

I at least sympathize and understand how you feel, and also understand samseau POV. I am Jewish and am stuck with the effects of all the socialist apostate Jews who stir up hell in the West, and then they blame Jews for it (I think its more related to smart people getting stupid ideas; Jews tend to be smarter). At the same time, you have to deal with all the criminality and stuff that blacks tend to commit that you are no part of. I think the only solution is that the good blacks (and good anyone) need to outreproduce and hamper the reproduction of the bad. That is why I have recently began to support the aggressive and quick use of the death penalty for severely antisocial crimes (murder, actual rape, robbery, etc). Get that scum out of the gene pool. There in fact was a study that said aggressive used of the death penalty in Europe in the Middle Ages greatly reduced the crime rate.

Is this your final solution?

Post: #212

"That is why I have recently began to support the aggressive and quick use of the death penalty for severely antisocial crimes (murder, actual rape, robbery, etc). Get that scum out of the gene pool. There in fact was a study that said aggressive used of the death penalty in Europe in the Middle Ages greatly reduced the crime rate."

   

Also appropriate to reference Jack Donovan yet again;

"A lot of people like to think they are “non-violent.” Generally, people claim to “abhor” the use of violence, and violence is viewed negatively by most folks. Many fail to differentiate between just and unjust violence. Some especially vain, self-righteous types like to think they have risen above the nasty, violent cultures of their ancestors. They say that “violence isn’t the answer.” They say that “violence doesn’t solve anything.”

They’re wrong. Every one of them relies on violence, every single day.

On election day, people from all walks of life line up to cast their ballots, and by doing so, they hope to influence who gets to wield the axe of authority. Those who want to end violence — as if that were possible or even desirable — often seek to disarm their fellow citizens. This does not actually end violence. It merely gives the state mob a monopoly on violence. This makes you “safer,” so long as you don’t piss off the boss.

All governments — left, right or other — are by their very nature coercive. They have to be.

Order demands violence.
..."

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03...is-golden/

Post: #213

If there is any "positive" thing about these murders is that some of the closet racists get out of the closet

This forum is a fantastic place for game, travel, all of that. But for politic science or anything of the sort it often turns into a loony house. Get a grip people.

Post: #214

dads Wrote:You have a right to your opinion, and I respect you greatly as a poster and writer. However, reading this, and knowing it is how a sizable faction of the manosphere thinks has made me decide to not participate in this corner of the internet anymore. Not that I think it matters, I'm 100% less valuable of a member of this forum than you are, but it is extremely difficult as an black guy to feel apart of a community where a majority of dudes agree with this or would be willing to ignore it.

There could be a thread on how beaver dams affect the irrigation of farms, and we would always be one post away from it turning into a race thread.

Post: #215

Seeing this video really struck a chord with me. It's a horrible thing for people to be killed over such a foolish reason but being that the evidence of the gunman pointed to him being extremely mentally unstable it's hard to point the blame at anyone.

I never follow any of the race baiting, having a Caribbean mother and an Irish father, colour has never been something to cross my mind but the real tragedy is the fact that people are using this as some sort of weapon.

My mother has a mental illness and I have witnessed her do some evil things when she is in a bad place. Though the real issue I have is the support she receives regarding her illness. There is no where near enough time and money invested into these studying and treating mental illness which could bring the number of these incidents down (in my opinion) quite a bit.

Every time I think to myself (people can't fall any lower than this) I get surprised.

Post: #216

(08-27-2015 12:41 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  If there is any "positive" thing about these murders is that some of the closet racists get out of the closet

At the very same time, the closet SJWs also come out of the closet...

Anyway, I think that, undoubtedly: every murderer who kills in cold blood, for no "logical", financial, reason (as opposed, say, to a bank robber killing a cashier), might be considered as mentally ill. And is indeed very disturbed, more or less mentally ill, sure. Of course.

But, who really cares? And does it mean such a coldblooded, disturbed killer should be sent to psychiatrist hospital instead of death-row? No! All those cold-blood killers should go to death-row, whether or not they "forgot to take their pills on the morning", "are depressed and on therapy", "were taking meds which impaired their clear thinking", and all the other lawyers' and SJWs' bullshit...

Also, you know what a friend of me, cop, told me: Notice how all these "mentally-ill" murderers, once their deed is perpetrated, fled from the police: maybe they are crazy, but sure as hell they know how to run and hide after their murders. Not that crazy, therefore....

Post: #217

Breitbart is trolling in full force right now, found this on the front page:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...apartment/

Quote:Thus far, other than a mention in the Telegraph, the media has not reported on the fact that Flanagan might have owned the LGBT rainbow hate-flag.

Post: #218

The dad is on cnn right now. Crying (understandably), but not mentioning anything about motives, he's just wanting a gun ban.

Post: #219

(08-27-2015 01:57 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I use to be amazed and dumbfounded at the things that Samseau said.
What bothers me the most is how many people seem to either nod their heads in agreement or just breeze right over it.

(08-27-2015 02:33 AM)dads Wrote:  You have a right to your opinion, and I respect you greatly as a poster and writer. However, reading this, and knowing it is how a sizable faction of the manosphere thinks has made me decide to not participate in this corner of the internet anymore. Not that I think it matters, I'm 100% less valuable of a member of this forum than you are, but it is extremely difficult as an black guy to feel apart of a community where a majority of dudes agree with this or would be willing to ignore it.

You guys are talking about a post by Samseau that nobody liked or has referenced positively in this thread. Not a single person. Nobody. Where you getting that a "majority" of people agree with him?

Quote:It's just funny to me to see forum members linking this man psychotic act to him being gay and black. Now 'whites' need to stay a majority because of this and somehow black gangs had something to do with this.

Americans keep amazing me on every level.

Once again, who said that the shooter killed people simply because he was black? Who are all these posters "nodding their heads in agreement" that whites have to stay a majority in this country? Who mentioned black gangs?

(08-27-2015 07:40 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Realistically gay black guy just wants to get in on the action, must've felt left out since all the lone gunman club has been a white man's game since the DC sniper.

Yeah, Christopher Dorner and Seung-Hui Cho are pretty lonely in Hell.

AnonymousBosch, TravelerKai and Quintus Curtius have contributed greatly to this thread, trying to keep guy's heads straight when discussing this heady issue.

Stop the lying and if you disagree with somebody's opinion, then make your voice heard.

Post: #220

Quote:Yeah, Christopher Dorner and Seung-Hui Cho are pretty lonely in Hell.

I forgot about those two. So many mass shootings in the USA that they've become forgettable.

Post: #221

(08-27-2015 01:08 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:41 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  If there is any "positive" thing about these murders is that some of the closet racists get out of the closet

At the very same time, the closet SJWs also come out of the closet...

Anyway, I think that, undoubtedly: every murderer who kills in cold blood, for no "logical", financial, reason (as opposed, say, to a bank robber killing a cashier), might be considered as mentally ill. And is indeed very disturbed, more or less mentally ill, sure. Of course.

But, who really cares? And does it mean such a coldblooded, disturbed killer should be sent to psychiatrist hospital instead of death-row? No! All those cold-blood killers should go to death-row, whether or not they "forgot to take their pills on the morning", "are depressed and on therapy", "were taking meds which impaired their clear thinking", and all the other lawyers' and SJWs' bullshit...

Also, you know what a friend of me, cop, told me: Notice how all these "mentally-ill" murderers, once their deed is perpetrated, fled from the police: maybe they are crazy, but sure as hell they know how to run and hide after their murders. Not that crazy, therefore....

So where exactly did I ever suggest that any of these perpetrators should go unpunished?

All I'm suggesting is that we each quit falling for the media's "outrage bait" ie "it's racism"..."no it misogyny"..."no it's the evil guns"..."no its homophobia"....All of it is some form of "Its' not us, it's them"

You can learn all the acronyms, SJW. MGTOW, and buzzwords: Redpill , bluepill, ad nauseum but if you don't learn to think for yourself you just end up being a different flavor of the same thing.

Post: #222

I don't know why you guys would get disturbed by what I've written. I'm just telling you what I see happening based on my understanding of things. If you think I'm wrong just say I'm wrong. It's not like I want Civil War II or anything like that. But all of us are just a drop in the Ocean of politics. Nothing we say here will make much of a difference, but we can be intelligent enough to see the trend before it happens. And that's what I try to do. It's also why I'm probably going to make $2,000+ off a few bets on this coming election.

And Dads, you'll quit the forum because what exactly? You're scared of truth? If I were a Black guy I would simply keep my ear to the ground and watch for possible escalating violence. It's not like a Black man will be in any worse of a position compared to most White guys either! The war would be horrible.

All we can do is take the information and best apply it to our individual situations. There's no sense in getting emotional over things we cannot control.

Post: #223

Sourcecode, I think the reason most people just breeze over it is to not take the thread in a different direction or get in trouble with the moderators. Ironically, if you look at my profile you can see my last 20% warning was for telling samseau to relax when he wrote a similarly over the top post in the past.

So this time I'm just not getting into it.

Post: #224

Race trolling is when you start making statements like, "Race x is better than Race y," or "It's Race X's fault for Problem A, B, and C," notice I do not make any such statements. I don't care and I don't want to pick fights.

I'm not a White Nationalist but I do see race as an overwhelming factor because it hijacks peoples brains on a subconscious level. I'm talking about HOW PEOPLE WILL REACT to these events. I speak about politics the same way a physics professor talks about inanimate objects. I do not believe free will can override man's political and tribal nature. If this disturbs you, I don't know what to say? Take it up with God? It's like men who complain about women who are hypergamous... there's nothing we can do to change female nature nor is there anything we can do to change people's racial nature. In America, race is the major factor whereas in Europe ethnicity triumphs because Europe is a lot older than America. In America race is ethnicity since the country is young, but even in Europe with mass immigration race will become a political issue.

I think a lot of guys on this forum have hangups with race because of the indoctrination we've all received in school. Just move beyond it. You don't need to start talking about why race x is better than race y, because that is toxic and doesn't belong on this forum. But you can at least acknowledge reality. Being 'red pill' means staring at Truth no matter what form it takes, and if you think I'm wrong in my assessment of the Truth then please tell me where I am wrong. For there is nothing more important to me than having a true understanding of things.

Post: #225

(08-27-2015 03:25 PM)bacan Wrote:  Ironically, if you look at my profile you can see my last 20% warning was for telling samseau to relax when he wrote a similarly over the top post in the past.

I think your warning level and temp ban history are private. I can't find any such info on your profile.