Post: #26

While I'll agree with Captainstabbin that this does read like something fictional (and I like how he referenced the '80s), I unfortunately know women who have done stuff like this. So it doesn't surprise me.

But what has caused this? Who or what had created this Modern Woman of which we speak? In my opinion, there is one figure who not only bankrolls this type of lifestyle, but gives in his emotional seal of approval.

The Cuckservative Dad.

Never in history has there been a man so oblivious to the true nature of women as these suburban white guys with daughters. After paying for four years of partying (i.e. college), if you ask them what their daughters are up to, they'll crow about how they're "taking on the world" and eschewing marriage and kids for their so-called big careers while they live in trendy parts of the city.

But as soon as I hear which part of the city these girls are living in (i.e. Williamsburg in Brooklyn, Federal Hill in Baltimore, etc.) I know what they're up to. And it's stuff like you read in this story.

The "societal pressure" to get married and have kids we talk about was largely applied by fathers in the old days. That's gone now. Back in the '50s, fathers wanted their girls married off early because they didn't want to see them used as "the town pump," to cop a phrase from that era.

This kind of man no longer exists, because his harridan wife apparently has his nuts in her handbag. In all seriousness, the media, the churches, the schools, and society in general have beat the common sense and dignity out of men like this. If they dare "judge" their daughters, it's now considered "controlling" and "abusive."

This is the kind of story we get when fathers don't make judgements and instead "stand back and let it all be" (to quote a phrase from cuckservative favorite Bruce Springsteen).

You'll notice in this story, the girl wants to get back with her old boyfriend someday. Who is he? Why he's the cuckservative dad-in-training!

And the cycle continues...

Post: #27

(08-04-2015 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  The Cuckservative Dad.

Never in history has there been a man so oblivious to the true nature of women as these suburban white guys with daughters. After paying for four years of partying (i.e. college), if you ask them what their daughters are up to, they'll crow about how they're "taking on the world" and eschewing marriage and kids for their so-called big careers while they live in trendy parts of the city.

But as soon as I hear which part of the city these girls are living in (i.e. Williamsburg in Brooklyn, Federal Hill in Baltimore, etc.) I know what they're up to. And it's stuff like you read in this story.

The "societal pressure" to get married and have kids we talk about was largely applied by fathers in the old days. That's gone now. Back in the '50s, fathers wanted their girls married off early because they didn't want to see them used as "the town pump," to cop a phrase from that era.

This kind of man no longer exists, because his harridan wife apparently has his nuts in her handbag. In all seriousness, the media, the churches, the schools, and society in general have beat the common sense and dignity out of men like this. If they dare "judge" their daughters, it's now considered "controlling" and "abusive."

This is the kind of story we get when fathers don't make judgements and instead "stand back and let it all be" (to quote a phrase from cuckservative favorite Bruce Springsteen).

These type of men do still exist, but they’re usually not white nowadays. They tend to be from traditional East Asian, South Asian, African, Middle Eastern (especially Muslim) families.

In UK a lot of white families are fine with daughters bringing over guys to the house and even having them sleepover. For Indian families, the line is more like, you’re not allowed to date at all, let alone have guys over at the house – anything is done in secret.

I think it goes back to the 60s, people started to become more permissive then and there’s been 2 more generations of degeneracy since then.

In the 1950s a single mother was a disgrace, something to be scorned and embarrassed about. In 2015 a single mother is considered a role model and an independent woman.

Modern western culture is so fucked up that I would get fired from my job if I went on TV and said a child needs a mother and a father.

Post: #28

Stories about girls with unlimited options in American cities aren't shocking. Average women have access to above average men. What surprises me are the stories about the exact opposite. Places where below average men can have access to beautiful women who embrace traditional roles. It might as well be a myth in the West, but it is the reality in some foreign countries.

This story about an Egyptian garbage man is one such example.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/1...ales-trash

Here's the garbage man.



He's a hunchbacked garbage man who can't read and is barely above five feet tall, but he doesn't live in the West. So, he was able to marry an 18-year old (likely a circumcised virgin) via an arranged marriage when he was 29. Here's how the writer describes the garbage man's wife, Wahiba, after over a decade of marriage:

Quote:When we entered, we were greeted by Wahiba, who was another surprise. She was strikingly pretty, with fair skin and a heart-shaped face, and she wore blue eyeshadow and dark eyeliner. She was slender, and dressed in a long white gown embroidered with beads; it was hard to believe that she had given birth to her third child only a week earlier. She greeted us warmly, and we chatted for a few minutes, and then she politely excused herself. A few minutes later, she returned in a niqab, the full head covering that is worn by conservative Muslims.

To repeat, that woman is married to that illiterate 5'2'' garbage man with a hunchback pictured above. The wife stays at home all day. The process will repeat with their three kids, as any daughters will be circumcised and married off young.

The modern woman will consider herself lucky if she carries a single struggle pregnancy to term since she only starts trying to become pregnant when she's nearing 40 and after a few STD's and abortions. The process will repeat for whatever daughter she has, but there will be a lot fewer of them. Do the math on 1 child every 40 years or 3 every 25.

Of course, the wife gets bored and tries to divorce him because he's a garbage man with a limited understanding of women. She kicks him out of the house and takes a job at a factory. But the Egyptian family law system is much more male friendly. Here's his lawyer explaining how the system works in the garbage man's favor:

Quote:He explained that by law Wahiba needed her husband’s permission to work, because the papers described her as a housewife. “In Islamic Sharia, the woman is like an egg,” he said. “Let’s say you have ten eggs. Where would you put them? Would you just leave them lying around? No, you’d put them in the proper place, in the refrigerator. Women belong at home. They can go out of the house with their husband’s permission, but that’s it.”

When Sayyid first entered the office, he seemed near tears. But the lawyer’s confidence was contagious, and by the end of the meeting Sayyid was smiling. The lawyer told him it was important not to request the divorce—if Wahiba was forced to initiate it, then her share of their assets would be much less. He warned Sayyid not to tell anybody about their strategy. “Keep the secret between your teeth,” he said. “That’s why God made your mouth like this!”

The two eventually reconcile.

Post: #29

(08-04-2015 02:05 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Stories about girls with unlimited options in American cities aren't shocking. Average women have access to above average men. What surprises me are the stories about the exact opposite. Places where below average men can have access to beautiful women who embrace traditional roles. It might as well be a myth in the West, but it is the reality in some foreign countries.

This story about an Egyptian garbage man is one such example.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/1...ales-trash

Here's the garbage man.



He's a hunchbacked garbage man who can't read and is barely above five feet tall, but he doesn't live in the West. So, he was able to marry an 18-year old (likely a circumcised virgin) via an arranged marriage when he was 29. Here's how the writer describes the garbage man's wife, Wahiba, after over a decade of marriage:

Quote:When we entered, we were greeted by Wahiba, who was another surprise. She was strikingly pretty, with fair skin and a heart-shaped face, and she wore blue eyeshadow and dark eyeliner. She was slender, and dressed in a long white gown embroidered with beads; it was hard to believe that she had given birth to her third child only a week earlier. She greeted us warmly, and we chatted for a few minutes, and then she politely excused herself. A few minutes later, she returned in a niqab, the full head covering that is worn by conservative Muslims.

To repeat, that woman is married to that illiterate 5'2'' garbage man with a hunchback pictured above. The wife stays at home all day. The process will repeat with their three kids, as any daughters will be circumcised and married off young.

The modern woman will consider herself lucky if she carries a single struggle pregnancy to term since she only starts trying to become pregnant when she's nearing 40 and after a few STD's and abortions. The process will repeat for whatever daughter she has, but there will be a lot fewer of them. Do the math on 1 child every 40 years or 3 every 25.

Of course, the wife gets bored and tries to divorce him because he's a garbage man with a limited understanding of women. She kicks him out of the house and takes a job at a factory. But the Egyptian family law system is much more male friendly. Here's his lawyer explaining how the system works in the garbage man's favor:

Quote:He explained that by law Wahiba needed her husband’s permission to work, because the papers described her as a housewife. “In Islamic Sharia, the woman is like an egg,” he said. “Let’s say you have ten eggs. Where would you put them? Would you just leave them lying around? No, you’d put them in the proper place, in the refrigerator. Women belong at home. They can go out of the house with their husband’s permission, but that’s it.”

When Sayyid first entered the office, he seemed near tears. But the lawyer’s confidence was contagious, and by the end of the meeting Sayyid was smiling. The lawyer told him it was important not to request the divorce—if Wahiba was forced to initiate it, then her share of their assets would be much less. He warned Sayyid not to tell anybody about their strategy. “Keep the secret between your teeth,” he said. “That’s why God made your mouth like this!”

The two eventually reconcile.

Thanks for the piece, it's a really interesting article about a completely different world view.

This doesn't sound all that rosy though...the guy works a dirty, demanding physical job and hustles every day from age 11 to 29, then finally gets his first piece of (non prostitute) ass when he is almost 30. It's a dirty job, but he's also making twice the national average wage. She's a smokeshow, but she makes his life hell after a while and makes him homeless on a whim, just like America. Throws all kinds of legal shit at him, which he only survives because the system is slanted in favor of men over there the way it's slanted towards women over here. But that was hardly a slam dunk, he just out gritted her, sleeping on a pallet and refusing to give her money till she caved to financial, social and legal pressure.

Intact family at the end, which is a major positive, but still a hard road to hoe.

Post: #30

^ This is an ode that women will always be women. You can place rules on them and pressure but deep down it doesn't matter.

If you want a LTR I really think to be happiest she has to see you as a superstar off the bat. She has to think you are one of the coolest/hottest guys she has ever met.

This is so difficult these days because in high school and college alone girls get exposed to 1000's of guys even as friends not to mention top level guys hitting on and dating them.

They make comparisons and don't get content like men do.

Alpha widow graveyards for miles.

Post: #31

(08-04-2015 05:42 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ This is an ode that women will always be women. You can place rules on them and pressure but deep down it doesn't matter.

If you want a LTR I really think to be happiest she has to see you as a superstar off the bat. She has to think you are one of the coolest/hottest guys she has ever met.

This is so difficult these days because in high school and college alone girls get exposed to 1000's of guys even as friends not to mention top level guys hitting on and dating them.

They make comparisons and don't get content like men do.

Alpha widow graveyards for miles.

^
Right. Now game includes actually being a superstar so there is no doubt you can get the woman you want.