Post: #76

(07-23-2015 05:38 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  We don't want parades, we don't want to be called heroes, we don't want strangers shaking our hands every 5 minutes, and we don't want free lunches on Veterans Day.

And that right there is why a lot of Vets do not consider McCain a hero.

Charge a hill covered with guns, mines and artillery? Yeah, that's ballsy and will always earn my respect. Few think they can do that, but that is part of the training. If you are a man you can and will do it as it's a brotherhood at that point. All men have this trait but it has to be brought out in my opinion. (Hotwheels went through basic many years ago, Tanker.)

Suffer abuse when you have zero choice? Ehh. Yeah, I respect that, but not a hero.

Blick-Whenever I run into vets like you, they drink really cheap that evening. I respect guys that volunteer to put themselves in harms way. Thing is, like you say a LOT (most) resist it. And I respect that. We end up having a great time.

And no, I am not the guy that shit in the shower... He was probably from Minoqua or Spooner. heh

Post: #77

The only reason I'm against Bernie Sanders is because Trump is the classic troll's choice when it comes to a presidential candidate. I was convinced after watching just one interview that this guy isn't afraid of anything.

All my SJW friends are rabid supporters of Bernie Sanders. I have not done much looking into his platform. If they like him then that might be a bad sign.

Post: #78

(07-22-2015 01:01 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:57 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:48 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:42 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  Sometimes "socialism" does "help the little man become a big man":

Trump was born in New York City in 1946, the son of real estate tycoon Fred Trump. Fred Trump’s business success not only provided Donald Trump with a posh youth of private schools and economic security but eventually blessed him with an inheritance worth an estimated $40 million to $200 million. It is critical to note, however, that his father’s success, which granted Donald Trump such a great advantage, was enabled and buffered by governmental financing programs.

In 1934, while struggling during the Great Depression, financing from the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) allowed Fred Trump to revive his business and begin building a multitude of homes in Brooklyn, selling at $6,000 apiece. Furthermore, throughout World War II, Fred Trump constructed FHA-backed housing for US naval personnel near major shipyards along the East Coast.

Your best examples of socialism some what working, and there is a great debate about how it truly worked even at that, goes back 80 some years, when the USA was a MUCH different place.

You implement socialism today and you might as well kiss the middle class good bye. Socialism would be a complete disaster in a country with 300,000,000 citizens, $20 trillion in debt, and no border protection and no manufacturing base. It would be a giant grab to screw the new person over until the whole thing collapsed.

The best example of socialism in the USA today is the ghettos. These are the areas with the most govt. intervention. And the result is women tossing men aside and creating violent single mother household ghettos full of drugs, crime and teenage death.

I don't know anyone on the planet who is rallying for a try Socialist economy. Even China, Vietnam, (and soon Cuba) abandoned all of that long ago.
As the comedian Louis Black says... there are 9 socialists in the US and you can find them at the cemetery.

To your point, eradicating all vestiges of a social program and you also "kiss the middle class goodbye" (e.g. getting rid of Medicare).

Bernie Sanders says he is a socialist. How would a proud admitted socialist not believe in socialism?

I think you found the last man standing.
Ho Chi Minh is over it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/world/...alism.html

Post: #79

It is interesting to see all the former communist governments are giving up on it. You can't deny human greed, so instead you just look to maximize it for your country's benefit.

I don't know much about Bernie Sanders. I like the fact he isn't a true establishment Democrat. He is more of an outsider. But outside of this, everything I know about him sounds awful.

He at least he admits he is a socialist, but that is not really a good thing. The country has already spun off the rails pushing leftist agendas to please the growing number of SJW/Single moms/self hating liberal types/feminists and the results are not good.

I do know he talked about "free" college. First off, any time a politician says something is "free" run, don't walk, away from them. Nothing in life is free, and neither will be college. The professors don't work for free, the janitors don't clean for free, and the electrical company doesn't forgive their bill because they are a college. Someone has to pay for all of this. So his idea is to increase taxes on trades, make Wall Street pay for it. It sounds noble, but anyone with any understanding of economics knows what will happen...

Those people who are being smart and planning ahead and investing for their retirement will see their costs increase in various ways to cover these taxes. The amount the big boys in the Wall Street banks would pay under this would be minimal at best. Most of it would be passed on to those who invest and save for a better life. A good chunk by the middle class.

All the while the results will be colleges with lower academic standards. And all the purple haired feminists with their women's studies degree will get a cushy job teaching other women to hate themselves and to hate men at the expense of those in the middle class simply trying to retire before they are in a wheel chair.

Post: #80

(07-23-2015 05:04 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 01:45 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 11:38 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  When people rail against "socialism" do they mean things like Medicare and Veterans hospitals?

Or bailouts for banks, corporate subsidies, and socializing "free market" losses?

Hopefully all of the above.

Since we feel the need to kick other countries in the nuts, then pop smoke and get out of town before finishing the job, yes we should have some awesome VA hospitals. The one in Madison is actually pretty good btw.

Those kids are some of the few in this country that show some balls.

Saying that, I'm kinda curious where those kids come from. I'll throw it out there and say a majority are from the South and the Midwest.

Not too many from NYC or LA I'm guessing...

Here you go:

http://www.va.gov/vetdata/

http://www.va.gov/vetdata/Maps.asp

http://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/Maps/VetPop14_Over64.pdf

http://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/Maps/VetP...nder25.pdf

This one is the most telling by State and Region:
http://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/Maps/VetPop2010.pdf

South 40%
Midwest 27%
West 22%
Northeast 11%

Part of this is clearly political the Northeast crawling with ivy league SJW Marxist Feminists, partly economic but mostly preferential yes the Senior Military Flag Officers prefer serving where they can enjoy warm weather most of the year and where the locals are proud of their military bases and their sons who serve. Bottom line is they like to live where they are welcome, the women sexy and the sun shining.

Post: #81

(07-23-2015 11:03 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  It is interesting to see all the former communist governments are giving up on it. You can't deny human greed, so instead you just look to maximize it for your country's benefit.

I don't know much about Bernie Sanders. I like the fact he isn't a true establishment Democrat. He is more of an outsider. But outside of this, everything I know about him sounds awful.

He at least he admits he is a socialist, but that is not really a good thing. The country has already spun off the rails pushing leftist agendas to please the growing number of SJW/Single moms/self hating liberal types/feminists and the results are not good.

I do know he talked about "free" college. First off, any time a politician says something is "free" run, don't walk, away from them. Nothing in life is free, and neither will be college. The professors don't work for free, the janitors don't clean for free, and the electrical company doesn't forgive their bill because they are a college. Someone has to pay for all of this. So his idea is to increase taxes on trades, make Wall Street pay for it. It sounds noble, but anyone with any understanding of economics knows what will happen...

Those people who are being smart and planning ahead and investing for their retirement will see their costs increase in various ways to cover these taxes. The amount the big boys in the Wall Street banks would pay under this would be minimal at best. Most of it would be passed on to those who invest and save for a better life. A good chunk by the middle class.

All the while the results will be colleges with lower academic standards. And all the purple haired feminists with their women's studies degree will get a cushy job teaching other women to hate themselves and to hate men at the expense of those in the middle class simply trying to retire before they are in a wheel chair.

Regardless of where you stand on this someone needs to resolve that in the 60's it cost like 300 bucks a semester to go to a state university.
Now you rack up a lifetime of debt (that the govt. profits from) to get a basic 4 year degree.

This is what what he proposes:

"His bill, called The College for All Act, would lower interest rates on federal student loans, give graduates a chance to refinance existing loans at lower rates, and stop the government from making profits on student loans.
To fund the legislation by generating up to $300 billion a year, Sanders proposes instituting a 0.5% tax on trades of stocks and 0.1% tax on bonds and an even smaller fee on so-called derivatives, such as stock options and futures contracts."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/20/news/ber...e-college/

Post: #82

(07-23-2015 12:38 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 11:03 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  It is interesting to see all the former communist governments are giving up on it. You can't deny human greed, so instead you just look to maximize it for your country's benefit.

I don't know much about Bernie Sanders. I like the fact he isn't a true establishment Democrat. He is more of an outsider. But outside of this, everything I know about him sounds awful.

He at least he admits he is a socialist, but that is not really a good thing. The country has already spun off the rails pushing leftist agendas to please the growing number of SJW/Single moms/self hating liberal types/feminists and the results are not good.

I do know he talked about "free" college. First off, any time a politician says something is "free" run, don't walk, away from them. Nothing in life is free, and neither will be college. The professors don't work for free, the janitors don't clean for free, and the electrical company doesn't forgive their bill because they are a college. Someone has to pay for all of this. So his idea is to increase taxes on trades, make Wall Street pay for it. It sounds noble, but anyone with any understanding of economics knows what will happen...

Those people who are being smart and planning ahead and investing for their retirement will see their costs increase in various ways to cover these taxes. The amount the big boys in the Wall Street banks would pay under this would be minimal at best. Most of it would be passed on to those who invest and save for a better life. A good chunk by the middle class.

All the while the results will be colleges with lower academic standards. And all the purple haired feminists with their women's studies degree will get a cushy job teaching other women to hate themselves and to hate men at the expense of those in the middle class simply trying to retire before they are in a wheel chair.

Regardless of where you stand on this someone needs to resolve that in the 60's it cost like 300 bucks a semester to go to a state university.
Now you rack up a lifetime of debt (that the govt. profits from) to get a basic 4 year degree.

This is what what he proposes:

"His bill, called The College for All Act, would lower interest rates on federal student loans, give graduates a chance to refinance existing loans at lower rates, and stop the government from making profits on student loans.
To fund the legislation by generating up to $300 billion a year, Sanders proposes instituting a 0.5% tax on trades of stocks and 0.1% tax on bonds and an even smaller fee on so-called derivatives, such as stock options and futures contracts."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/20/news/ber...e-college/

The cause is two fold...

#1) Inflation, obviously the dollar gets weaker, especially when you more than double the national debt in four years. Which is due to govt. waste and greed. The measure the govt. displays for inflation is a joke and not a realistic measure.

#2) The federal govt. sticking its nose where it didn't belong and making college loans. This has been a disaster. They are giving out loans that NO private entity would give out, because either the student is unlikely to succeed and the money will have been wasted, or in most cases, the degree is completely worthless in the real world. The number of women in college and the degrees they get, thanks to the Federal Govt. has sky rocketed college costs.

The govt. is much to blame for the sharp increase in college costs. The last thing I want is more of the very same govt. trying to fix a problem they have already spent 20+ years trying to fix and failing to make any head way.

Post: #83

^^^^
I don't know much about it but one program that seems good is/was the G.I. Bill?

Post: #84

You can drastically reduce how much college costs by going to a community college for an AA, then a public university for a BA or BS. Work at the same time and live at home if possible and you're not going to go into nearly as much debt, if you go into debt at all.

Post: #85

(07-23-2015 12:38 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  Now you rack up a lifetime of debt (that the govt. profits from) to get a basic 4 year degree.

The average in-state public college is under $15,000/year for everything. Even if you financed 100% of that it's still under $60k. You consider that a "lifetime of debt"? What do you consider a luxury car? A mortgage?

If it isn't worth the money, don't go. No debt, problem solved. It's not like college magically gets you a good job anyway.

(07-23-2015 12:38 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  This is what what he proposes:

"His bill, called The College for All Act, would lower interest rates on federal student loans, give graduates a chance to refinance existing loans at lower rates, and stop the government from making profits on student loans.
To fund the legislation by generating up to $300 billion a year, Sanders proposes instituting a 0.5% tax on trades of stocks and 0.1% tax on bonds and an even smaller fee on so-called derivatives, such as stock options and futures contracts."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/20/news/ber...e-college/

And Obamacare was supposed to allow me to keep my doctor and lower my premium by $2,500.

Politicians do this thing called a bait and switch, surprised you haven't caught on yet. But Bernie is different, he's looking out for the little guy, he's not just another power-obsessed politician.

Post: #86

(07-23-2015 01:06 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 12:38 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  Now you rack up a lifetime of debt (that the govt. profits from) to get a basic 4 year degree.

The average in-state public college is under $15,000/year for everything. Even if you financed 100% of that it's still under $60k. You consider that a "lifetime of debt"? What do you consider a luxury car? A mortgage?

If it isn't worth the money, don't go. No debt, problem solved. It's not like college magically gets you a good job anyway.

(07-23-2015 12:38 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  This is what what he proposes:

"His bill, called The College for All Act, would lower interest rates on federal student loans, give graduates a chance to refinance existing loans at lower rates, and stop the government from making profits on student loans.
To fund the legislation by generating up to $300 billion a year, Sanders proposes instituting a 0.5% tax on trades of stocks and 0.1% tax on bonds and an even smaller fee on so-called derivatives, such as stock options and futures contracts."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/20/news/ber...e-college/

And Obamacare was supposed to allow me to keep my doctor and lower my premium by $2,500.

Politicians do this thing called a bait and switch, surprised you haven't caught on yet. But Bernie is different, he's looking out for the little guy, he's not just another power-obsessed politician.

Actually the Affordable Care Act was good for me and lowered my premium.
I buy an individual plan, not through an employer.

Re: college loans... I have buddies who are still paying off college loans 10-15 years after graduating.

Post: #87

(07-23-2015 01:18 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  Re: college loans... I have buddies who are still paying off college loans 10-15 years after graduating.

Your buddies are losers who shouldn't have wasted their money on college.

Post: #88

Honestly the people who complain they're in huge debt over pursuing a four year degree typically strike me as entitled morons who tried to live the traditional Hollywood college on-campus life on loans alone or people who went to a private college.

I know a couple of people in the former category who thought going to a community college first was beneath them.

Anyway, has there been a study conducted about all this?

Post: #89

I do think far fewer people should be going to college. The problem is so many people are going because there's nothing else for them to do, jobs hardly exist anymore and will only get more and more scarce. But shoving everyone into college is a terrible "solution." So many people go to college now that not going to college is a signal of lower intelligence, so you have jobs that have *no business requiring a college degree* doing so. It's beyond absurd. You could hardly design a system of higher education worse than America's.

It's the problem with a lot of American institutions where you have the worst possible mix of government intervention and market pressure. Universities are free to set their tuition however they care to and governments don't work with the universities, but rather subsidize or give out loans and grants to individual students. This is unbelievably dumb. The European system of universally subsidized college is obviously far superior, but I think that's no good either. Ideally only about 15% of people should go to college, people who have legitimate interest and aptitude for academic subjects, and employers would have to get real about their requirements.

Post: #90

(07-23-2015 01:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Honestly the people who complain they're in huge debt over pursuing a four year degree typically strike me as entitled morons who tried to live the traditional Hollywood college on-campus life on loans alone or people who went to a private college.

Has there been a study conducted about all this?

No study. But, as I posted above, the total average cost is under $15,000 a year - cut that in half if you live at home. Then, if you work, get good enough grades for a scholarship and spend extra time lining up a job upon graduation, who can easily graduate with little to no debt.

It's not hard, but it does require some work - and that's a foreign concept to most people today.

Post: #91

(07-23-2015 01:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Honestly the people who complain they're in huge debt over pursuing a four year degree typically strike me as entitled morons who tried to live the traditional Hollywood college on-campus life on loans alone or people who went to a private college.

I know a couple of people in the former category who thought going to a community college first was beneath them.

Anyway, has there been a study conducted about all this?

The women are hotter at community college too.
Maybe drinking less alcohol and not overeating crappy dorm food.

Post: #92

America needs Bernie Sanders. Even if not to be elected, at least he adds some pressure to the left in regards to business practices in the US.

The US slave driver mentality of long hours and shit wages is starting to spread, even up in Canada. I notice companies that are sold to American outfits always struggle with the standards set in place by the government on basics such as holiday pay and time off, overtime hours, worker's rights, and basic fucking manners from management.

Too many managers from the US who come here think people live to work. The reality is we work so we can live the life we want.

Lobbying in Canada is much harder. Nevertheless companies are trying to strip down the standards in regards to safety and other basic shit that apparently is still laking in the US.

I think a dose of socialism is healthy to counteract robber baron economics. If large corps aren't brought down to earth every once in a while, they begin to infect government and the whole system is turned upside down(see McKinley's corrupt administration).

Post: #93

(07-23-2015 01:35 PM)chagataev Wrote:  I do think far fewer people should be going to college. The problem is so many people are going because there's nothing else for them to do, jobs hardly exist anymore and will only get more and more scarce.

Are you kidding me? The US will need 5 million tech jobs by 2020. Maybe instead of retweeting buzfeed articles and playing videogames they could watch youtube tutorials on coding/marketing/animating or w/e they choose to do and actually develop marketable skills. All the information is online now, no longer do you absolutely have to do a 4 year degree where the books are old, the teachers are likely corporate failures and it will cost you an arm and a leg. Unless you are doing a professional degree, College is fucking useless.

Of course they are being lied to since the current education system is one of the biggest pyramid schemes ever constructed in modern history. Every time a politician says: "We passed this law/bill so that young people can afford to go to college", all that means is they made a deal with the banks so that even the biggest moron get can get a loan and have the luxury of sitting in a lecture hall taking advice from a someone who couldn't hack it in the real world.

Post: #94

(07-23-2015 01:35 PM)chagataev Wrote:  I do think far fewer people should be going to college. The problem is so many people are going because there's nothing else for them to do, jobs hardly exist anymore and will only get more and more scarce.

Create jobs. It literally is that simple. You definitely don't need a college degree to do it, I personally feel I've wasted 4 years of my life going to school when just this summer me and two buddies started a company with tens of thousands in revenue with little skill besides watching youtube videos. We've hired friends of ours to help us out, there's your job creation right there. There are two mentalities: growth and fixed. Yours is supremely fixed my man.

Post: #95

Chagataev

Quote:There are probably a million things I disagree with Bernie Sanders on. No doubt you will hear him pay lip service to the "pay gap." No doubt he is probably more pro-immigration than I or many others would like him to be. But I don't believe Sanders is a real SJW type. He strikes me as a more old-style leftist who cares primarily about working people and economic conditions.

The entire Socialist argument is, "But this guys is different than all the other leftist supporters (Lindy West, Jessica Valenti) and all the other leftist murdering poverty creating leaders, (Castro, Mao, Stalin, Chavez), I swear, he's different! It's really going to work THIS time!"

To all leftists: You are not going to get anything for free. The government will never help you unless you are an insider or a gangster who uses it for your own ends, and socialism will never work. Focus on your own life, and get over your obsession that some day being on the far left will lead to a personal victory or more material or spiritual wealth for yourself. It won't. People on the right are more fun, have more kids, and are more spiritual. We are life, you are death.

Post: #96

In regards to creating jobs, there has never been a better time to start a business.

There is so many people/institutions sitting on piles of money looking for companies/deals to put their money into. Banks pay nothing and people are extremely worried about the stock market, so the only thing left is private deals.

Where the money is:

Friends and Families
Private Investors
Angel Investors
VC Funds
Small Business Association
PE Funds

This is just a few examples of who to reach out to if you think you have a good business idea or investment opportunity.

Post: #97

(07-23-2015 07:16 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Chagataev

Quote:There are probably a million things I disagree with Bernie Sanders on. No doubt you will hear him pay lip service to the "pay gap." No doubt he is probably more pro-immigration than I or many others would like him to be. But I don't believe Sanders is a real SJW type. He strikes me as a more old-style leftist who cares primarily about working people and economic conditions.

The entire Socialist argument is, "But this guys is different than all the other leftist supporters (Lindy West, Jessica Valenti) and all the other leftist murdering poverty creating leaders, (Castro, Mao, Stalin, Chavez), I swear, he's different! It's really going to work THIS time!"

This makes no more sense than relating calls for lesser immigration and traditional society to Hitler, or calls for less market regulation to Pinochet.

Post: #98

(07-23-2015 07:16 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Chagataev

Quote:There are probably a million things I disagree with Bernie Sanders on. No doubt you will hear him pay lip service to the "pay gap." No doubt he is probably more pro-immigration than I or many others would like him to be. But I don't believe Sanders is a real SJW type. He strikes me as a more old-style leftist who cares primarily about working people and economic conditions.

The entire Socialist argument is, "But this guys is different than all the other leftist supporters (Lindy West, Jessica Valenti) and all the other leftist murdering poverty creating leaders, (Castro, Mao, Stalin, Chavez), I swear, he's different! It's really going to work THIS time!"

To all leftists: You are not going to get anything for free. The government will never help you unless you are an insider or a gangster who uses it for your own ends, and socialism will never work. Focus on your own life, and get over your obsession that some day being on the far left will lead to a personal victory or more material or spiritual wealth for yourself. It won't. People on the right are more fun, have more kids, and are more spiritual. We are life, you are death.

And the big concept is that I never see lefties grasp is the fact you are not electing this one guy to one your country forever.

Lets just say that Bernie wins, he gets into office, some how makes the govt. efficient and is able to accomplish all his leftist goals. Well, in 8 years you will have someone else. Probably someone else from the left, since Sanders had so much success. And by that point in time, being the SJW are overrunning the young leftists, it will most likely be a feminist SJW president.

But this feminist SJW will have so much more control and power over your life than any politician does right now simply because of the tracks laid for them by Sanders.

Just because the current govt. is good or trustful does not mean the next person to take office will be just as good or trustful. But the next person will get to inherit all those controls and invasion into your personal and professional life.

To sum it up. As long as women have the right to vote, then women run your country. The more the govt. grows, the more power women will have over your life. No matter how much you accept the red pill, if there are no opportunities to escape the feminist camp, then you are stuck. Women today vote, and they vote in greater numbers in men. The more govt., the more women will have control over your life so they can sit on their asses, get fatter, and demand more from men while giving nothing back in return. They can grow to 200 lbs., work half the hours of men for more money, and still sit and wait for some 9/10 alpha to come by because your tax dollars will fund and support their life.

Post: #99

Lol @ anyone who says there aren't jobs. There are hundreds of job postings on Craigslist every single day.

At this point I don't really give a fuck about a candidate's policies. All I care about is whether or not they are part of the Clinton/Bush/Obama puppetry of the elite. If Bernie Sanders isn't, then good on him. If Trump isn't, then good on him too. If they are, then fuck both of them. I'll take a socialist who tells the elite to fuck themselves over a "conservative" who does their bidding every single day of the week.

Post: #100

I mentioned it in the Trump thread when someone asked about Sanders, but he is for banning semi-automatic weapons despite typical NRA rhetoric. But as the Senator of Vermont, that tells you a lot about him and his lack of integrity. I wouldn't support someone trying to undermine the Second Amendment alone, but I could respect them as a representative of their constituency, but for him to do it while backstabbing that state in particular, makes him a viper.