Post: #1

I have been thinking about this for some time earlier today as of writing this. I wanted to exchange some thoughts on this to improve it if you think there are better subjects of study.

1) Competitive Sports
Successful people in some sort have some ability to compete. If you looked at all the past presidents of the United States, each one had studied a sport of some kind. Many business men have also engaged in sports Even as hated as Mark Zuckerberg is around here, he was captain of the high school fencing team. George Foreman created the George Foreman grill. Tony Hawk created his own skateboarding company and clothing line. There are people who would argue that competition is bad under certain conditions but competition is a great way to develop human drive and weed out bad characteristics. It also forces one to improve and refine their skills and capacity.

2) Engineering
One could argue science is more important for understanding the natural world. However, the world operates independent of how we think it works, and science is the culmination of our understanding of the world. The history of science has proven to be science having problems finding the truth. We rejected geocentric models in favor of heliocentric models. At one time, scientists declared there was no need to do any more study in physics and already had everything figured out. Then modern physics came along to explain phenomena that classical physics could not explain. We use to believe in 4 elements, earth, fire, wind and water. Then we got a periodic table based on the weights of each element, then reformed by the number of protons in the nucleus. Atoms at one were believed to be the most elementary building blocks. Than we discovered subatomic particles such as electrons, Protons and neutrons until we discovered quarks.

If science represents man's understanding of the natural world, engineering represents man's ability to dominate and master the natural world. Engineering itself is self evident of working things, rather than a series of hypothesis and theories. In addition, Engineering allows a man to tinker about his natural world and study how it functions.

3) Mathematics
Mathematics tends to be grouped with other subjects like science and engineering. Mathematics itself is a very abstract subject of its own where as science and engineering are concrete and are restricted to reality. The subjects is mathematics is one of the most flexible tools for analysis, measurements of truth and expanding the very way we understand the world. Consider that billionaire mathematician James Simons once asked the question why do we buy more gasoline for cars? If an individual was to continuously consume gasoline in halves an infinite amount of times, we would have an infinite amount of gasoline. Author Lewis Carroll studied mathematics before writing Alice in Wonderland. Philosopher Rene Descartes was the inventor of the cartesian plane. It seems also a great way to filter out hack intellectuals and and bogus theories when you can measure things out and create functions to describe a phenomenon.

4) Business, Finance, and Economics
These are actually three different fields of study and the study of all three are able to complement each other. They are important because the study of wealth comes from these three fields. Business asks the question of creating an institution that can create personal wealth for itself. Finance asks the question of analyzing risk. Economics asks how are scarce resources distributed.

5) A craft
This is more of something in the air. However, it has to have some very clear rules.
1) The craft on itself must be skill based and the skill must have the ability to improve infinitely.
2) Requires intensive amount of time for mastery
3)The craft must be discretionary based rather than rule based.
Examples of a craft would include Chess, Auto mechanical work, welding, cooking, woodworking, painting, musical instruments, language learning, pick up artistry and ect.

Post: #2

Why not learn how to be self sufficient.

1. Be able to fix a car.
2. Be able to fix a computer
3. Have a basic understanding of carpentry.
4. Know how to cook a meal.
5. Know how to grow your own food.

Post: #3

Learn proficiency in at least one unarmed and armed combat style and the art of war.
Learn to be a master of languages, words, song, prose, poems and rhetoric.
Learn to be proficient in at least one musical instrument nearing virtuosity.
Learn to be able to heal oneself and others.
Learn how to build, fix, create, and to add to the existing body of knowledge available to our species.

Post: #4

(07-16-2015 02:28 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Why not learn how to be self sufficient.

1. Be able to fix a car.
2. Be able to fix a computer
3. Have a basic understanding of carpentry.
4. Know how to cook a meal.
5. Know how to grow your own food.

Why do you think those are the most important skills of self sufficiency?

Why do you need a computer? Humanity has lived a great deal of time without them.
You mentioned carpentry and I am assuming you would mean being able to build a house. Couldn't a car serve as a form of shelter?
Why would you have to grow food when you can forage for food and hunt for it?

I would replace with those list of skills with the following.
-Learn thievery. Let others put in the effort of work and use your own skills to reap the fruits of their labor.
-Learn to build tools.
-Learn to think like Macgyver.

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  Learn proficiency in at least one unarmed and armed combat style and the art of war.
Learn to be a master of languages, words, song, prose, poems and rhetoric.
Learn to be proficient in at least one musical instrument nearing virtuosity.
Learn to be able to heal oneself and others.
Learn how to build, fix, create, and to add to the existing body of knowledge available to our species.

Explain how those improve a man. I'm curious.

Post: #5

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  Learn proficiency in at least one unarmed and armed combat style and the art of war.
Learn to be a master of languages, words, song, prose, poems and rhetoric.
Learn to be proficient in at least one musical instrument nearing virtuosity.
Learn to be able to heal oneself and others.
Learn how to build, fix, create, and to add to the existing body of knowledge available to our species.

Explain how those improve a man. I'm curious.

Do you really need someone to explain it to you?

G

Post: #6

(07-16-2015 05:01 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  Learn proficiency in at least one unarmed and armed combat style and the art of war.
Learn to be a master of languages, words, song, prose, poems and rhetoric.
Learn to be proficient in at least one musical instrument nearing virtuosity.
Learn to be able to heal oneself and others.
Learn how to build, fix, create, and to add to the existing body of knowledge available to our species.

Explain how those improve a man. I'm curious.

Do you really need someone to explain it to you?

G

As a Polymath, I can appreciate learning on itself. I asked for 5 because I thought people would select 5 of the most important skills and subject and come up with one better than I created.

Post: #7

(07-16-2015 05:10 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  As a Polymath, I can appreciate learning on itself. I asked for 5 because I thought people would select 5 of the most important skills and subject and come up with one better than I created.

Why don't you think any one of his are not better or as good as yours?

G

Post: #8

(07-16-2015 05:14 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:10 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  As a Polymath, I can appreciate learning on itself. I asked for 5 because I thought people would select 5 of the most important skills and subject and come up with one better than I created.

Why don't you think any one of his are not better or as good as yours?

G

I don't think his ideas are less than mine, I want him to explain how these subjects improve a man.

I never played a musical instrument to that level. I don't know how it improves a man? It was more specific than just a craft like I listed.

Also, not all ideas contributed to humanity is valuable. I think here in the roosh v forum community, we can agree almost all ideas produced by feminism is destructive to humanity.

Post: #9

Hey user PolymathGuru, you really need to know that you sound like a bit of an asshole. I challenge you to go through my several hundred posts and find one where I make a thread asking a question and then tell people they're wrong when they post their opinion. You won't be able to find it, and it baffles me that you think anyone would or should care about your opinion when you have no rep and under ten posts.

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  Why do you need a computer? Humanity has lived a great deal of time without them.

Good luck posting on RVF without a computer. But what do I know, maybe I should just forage for food while living in my car and stealing from everyone like you would advise.

Post: #10

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  Why do you need a computer? Humanity has lived a great deal of time without them.

It's true that humanity has had a lot of time without computers. We're not living in those times. Anyone who doesn't have at least basic competency using computers will not get very far in life.

Depending on your definition of abstract only 2 of the 5 in the original list could be considered abstract.

Science and engineering are very much interrelated. It doesn't make any sense to discuss one being more important than the other.

Quote:The craft must be discretionary based rather than rule based.

You listed chess as a craft, I could be wrong but I believe that chess is very much a rules based game.

Post: #11

You can collapse #2-4 into something like "Multivariable Calculus and its Extensions," or maybe "Applied Mathematics" (the latter term sometimes invites petty arguments).

If one has a robust understanding of and intuition behind multivariable calculus (very few people do, as this is the equivalent of being very comfortable with about 3-5 semesters worth of college calculus, and not just merely having taken it)--limits and continuity, derivatives [including differential equations], integrals, trigonometry, exponentials and logarithms, series and sequences, matrix algebra, etc.--one will "get" most of Mechanical Physics, Engineering, Statistics, Finance, and Economics off cursory readings, as much of their unifying underpinnings all have large foundations in multivariable calculus.

That's a great part about the Applied Mathematics--you can learn some precepts and tools, and their uses can be deployed in a variety of settings.

(07-16-2015 09:49 AM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  It seems also a great way to filter out hack intellectuals and and bogus theories when you can measure things out and create functions to describe a phenomenon.

Yes, there is lot less room for hamster spinning when you have to either provide a proof, or formulate a falsifiable hypothesis and produce quantitative analysis and support. This is where Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies notably fail, and should be viewed as religions. Their "models" of the world have no predictive power, and their "work" consists of just-so narratives, subjective accounts, and appeals to emotion.

Post: #12

(07-17-2015 12:46 AM)Kabal Wrote:  This is where Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies notably fail, and should be viewed as religions. Their "models" of the world have no predictive power, and their "work" consists of just-so narratives, subjective accounts, and appeals to emotion.

To the contrary, I believe the study of human culture and history provides exquisite predictive insight into the outcome of certain actions. The issue isn't the predictive power, it's that the only people who consider these predictions are labeled as: crazy, out of touch with reality, stuck in the past, ignorant of what society really needs, etc, etc..

It saddens me that anthropology is brushed away as a pseudoscience, where, in my opinion, it's one of the few liberal arts majors that actually has any real worth. Providing you don't take at face value everything you read or hear, you can build a rough picture of what society has gone through, what struggles they faced, how they got through them, what worked, what didn't - almost every social situation conceivable has been experienced and written about in multiple places by different people from different points of view.

The real danger is when the fanatics are taken at face value (see: feminism), which is true of any subject.

It is well to remember that history has this wonderful way of repeating itself. For instance, damn near every time a society has allowed women to be in power, that society has collapsed shortly thereafter. We likely won't have to worry about feminism for much longer, as those feminists will be too busy complaining about how hungry they are (when their snarky, sarcastic "wit" is no longer enough to support their lavish lifestyles), to worry about how much space you take up on the bus

On topic: being well "cultured" is definitely a top 5 subject in the art of manhood. This means knowing and understanding the customs of different cultural groups, having a knowledge base in history and important historical events, what parts of a culture are celebrated and how/why they are celebrated, being able to integrate with people from different backgrounds, and generally understanding and appreciating that there is a world outside their own

Note: "Keeping up with the Kardashians" was not included in that definition

If I had to choose a couple more, it would include:

Obtaining and maintaining physical prowess - this includes staying fit and healthy, and knowing how your body responds to changes in diet, exercise regimes, large amounts of stress, etc.

The knowledge and willingness to get what you need - if you need vitamins in your diet, are you willing to sacrifice that side of fries and dessert for a salad? If you can't afford food are you willing to steal it? Can you grow your own food? What lengths will you go to if it comes down to life or death?

Knowing what you want from life - should be self explanatory, but is an incredibly elusive and deep topic. Where is your life heading? What are you doing now? Why? Are you doing things that hurt your chances of success? How can you work around this?

Be mechanically adept - this doesn't necessarily mean you know every last detail about every car that came out since 1940, it's more about the abstract thought processes that go into repairing and designing the tools you use to go about your other goals. ie; are you someone who breaks something then throws it away and buys a new one, or can you fix it? What if that was the last one on earth, what would happen then?

All of these subjects are very intimately tied into each other, and to me, they are the epitome of what makes a man.

Post: #13

Consider including the following:

1. Mathematical maturity.
2. History.
3. Mathematical statistics.

The first teaches you how to communicate in a meaningful way and with practice makes you immune to confusion.

History makes sure your worldview is not disconnected with reality.

Mathematical statistics gives you the framework under which the entire world is understood. It allows you, for example, to read medical and psychology papers with no training and evaluate how meaningful their results are.

Probability alone allows you to actually understand risktaking in terms of dollars, to be able to calculate the opportunity cost of a vacation in dollars, and to do hilarious calculations like this.

Of course Kabal is right in suggesting a deep understanding of the calculus track courses, including linear algebra. Few people really appreciate what a deep understanding entails. When you look at the traffic moving in the street and reflexively formulate and equation to model it, when you do this the birds, the water in your sink, the heat dissipating through your coffee, many times during a day and think nothing of it, you are ready to move past differential equations. Probably not the same thing as a B+ in a college course.

Mathematics is hard, and using mathematics is harder. Probably most people looking to "improve themselves" want to read a book and be done with it. You can read all the math books you want and you still won't know any math. You must defeat it in the field to claim it as your own.

Post: #14

(07-17-2015 10:52 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 12:46 AM)Kabal Wrote:  This is where Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies notably fail, and should be viewed as religions. Their "models" of the world have no predictive power, and their "work" consists of just-so narratives, subjective accounts, and appeals to emotion.

To the contrary, I believe the study of human culture and history provides exquisite predictive insight into the outcome of certain actions. The issue isn't the predictive power, it's that the only people who consider these predictions are labeled as: crazy, out of touch with reality, stuck in the past, ignorant of what society really needs, etc, etc..

It saddens me that anthropology is brushed away as a pseudoscience, where, in my opinion, it's one of the few liberal arts majors that actually has any real worth. Providing you don't take at face value everything you read or hear, you can build a rough picture of what society has gone through, what struggles they faced, how they got through them, what worked, what didn't - almost every social situation conceivable has been experienced and written about in multiple places by different people from different points of view.

The real danger is when the fanatics are taken at face value (see: feminism), which is true of any subject.

It is well to remember that history has this wonderful way of repeating itself. For instance, damn near every time a society has allowed women to be in power, that society has collapsed shortly thereafter. We likely won't have to worry about feminism for much longer, as those feminists will be too busy complaining about how hungry they are (when their snarky, sarcastic "wit" is no longer enough to support their lavish lifestyles), to worry about how much space you take up on the bus

On topic: being well "cultured" is definitely a top 5 subject in the art of manhood. This means knowing and understanding the customs of different cultural groups, having a knowledge base in history and important historical events, what parts of a culture are celebrated and how/why they are celebrated, being able to integrate with people from different backgrounds, and generally understanding and appreciating that there is a world outside their own

There is nothing nominally wrong with Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies--the study of human culture can only be a good thing, right? However, in practice, this is very different.

While there is not always a "bright line test" between disciplines, all those bases of knowledge you discussed are handled well by History, Economics, and Physical Anthropology. In fact, they yield better insight into culture than do Cultural Anthropology, whether descriptively (all three) or predictively (Economics and Physical Anthropology).

We could eliminate every single Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies-related department in the United States, and not lose much knowledge and understanding of culture. In fact, we would likely gain knowledge and understanding by subtracting a negative--such as their assumptions of a Tylorean "psychic unity of mankind" and their belief of human exceptionalism from genetics and biology.

"Anthropology" used to include Cultural Anthropology, Physical Anthropology, Linguistic Anthropology, and Archaeology. However, the latter two are mostly broken out into their own fields now, and Physical Anthropology has little in common with Cultural Anthropology, with Physical Anthropology sharing a lot of the same conceptual tools as biology, genetics, economics etc.

So when cultural anthropology is lumped in with physical anthropology, one can't call the "Anthropology" field science as a whole. And that's why a few years ago the American Anthropological Association removed references to "science" from its statement of purpose(s), igniting a kerfuffle.

Cultural Anthropologists are more advocates than scientists. Cultural Anthropology's most useful service to human knowledge is ethnographies, but ethnographers can't help but make stuff up along the way (e.g. Margaret Mead), rendering any ethnography highly questionable. It's also prone to wild swings in group-think over time, contradicting previously-held paradigms instead of refining them. Steve Hsu described a "swallowing whole"-test (that's what she said, har har) for evaluating fields, writing:

Quote:In physics it is said that successful new theories swallow their predecessors whole. That is, even revolutionary new theories (e.g., special relativity or quantum mechanics) reduce to their predecessors in the previously studied circumstances (e.g., low velocity, macroscopic objects). Swallowing whole is a sign of proper function -- it means the previous generation of scientists was competent: what they believed to be true was (at least approximately) true. Their models were accurate in some limit and could continue to be used when appropriate (e.g., Newtonian mechanics).

In some fields (not to name names!) we don't see this phenomenon. Rather, we see new paradigms which wholly contradict earlier strongly held beliefs that were predominant in the field* -- there was no range of circumstances in which the earlier beliefs were correct. We might even see oscillations of mutually contradictory, widely accepted paradigms over decades.

You ask a Physical Anthropologist, a Cultural Anthropologist, and a Cultural Studies practitioner a simple question: "If women are more promiscuous, does that decrease paternal investment?"

The first might say: "Likely. Across and within societies, increased female promiscuity (as measured by a combination of marriage rates, STD rates, self-reported sexual partners, etc.) is statistically associated with lower paternal investment. This is corroborated by cross-species comparisons as well, especially ones more closely related to humans. The evolutionary psychology behind it is self-evident, even if difficult to prove."

The second might say: "No. There are societies where women are promiscuous, but paternal investments are high. [List of authors] lived in [list of societies] where this is found, and wrote ethnographies on them. Women are just as promiscuous as men."

The third might say: "This question itself is vacuous. The notion of female promiscuity is but a concept to subjugate women, demeaning women as being only sexual instruments for men. Paternity is but a construct, and meaningless outside of social contexts."

Culture doesn't arise from nowhere. To a first approximation, culture can be thought of the result of biology with an error term. Culture = f(Biology) + Epsilon.

This is why Physical Anthropologists can do a better job of explaining culture than Cultural Anthropologists, given the current state of Cultural Anthropology.

Post: #15

Great post Kabal.

Post: #16

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  Learn proficiency in at least one unarmed and armed combat style and the art of war.
Learn to be a master of languages, words, song, prose, poems and rhetoric.
Learn to be proficient in at least one musical instrument nearing virtuosity.
Learn to be able to heal oneself and others.
Learn how to build, fix, create, and to add to the existing body of knowledge available to our species.

Explain how those improve a man. I'm curious.

Learning new languages might allow a person to expand their thinking or alter how they conceptualize their world. There are theories that suggest a person's thinking processes are limited by the structure of the language that they think in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_and_thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

Post: #17

I don't have a list of 5 but 2 others could be living a minimalism lifestyle and long term travel. I've learned a lot and gained new perspectives from living out of a backpack for 6+ months and the various random experiences that I get involved in while traveling.

Post: #18

Kabal

Post: #19

@Kabal: I wrote a lengthy reply to this yesterday but I must have forgotten to press post :l

Basically, the idea of studying anthropology isn't so you "know everything that ever was," but rather so you have a grounding in the causes and effects of human nature. At this point in time, there has been so much misinformation and propaganda spread that it's no longer really possible to know for sure what really happened in the past. In my opinion, though, it is greatly beneficial to at least think about the history of human nature and civilisation, in that it is a gateway to deeper thinking about society at large and the ways we are connected as humans and what makes us different.

That anthropology encompasses a huge variety of different fields related to our past, all of which I feel are important, and the sheer breadth of knowledge that can be gained from the study of anthropology is invaluable to any man, is what makes it so great

I love it, maybe that's just me, though

Post: #20

(07-16-2015 03:49 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  Why do you need a computer? Humanity has lived a great deal of time without them.

A computer allows you to manage large quantities of information and communicate with a huge number of strangers extremely quickly. Invaluable tool.

Quote:You mentioned carpentry and I am assuming you would mean being able to build a house. Couldn't a car serve as a form of shelter?

Cars aren't much fun to sleep in. But Small Houses or Campers are a good alternative to homes. Mobility has advantages.

Quote:Why would you have to grow food when you can forage for food and hunt for it?

Less reliable.

Quote:I would replace with those list of skills with the following.
-Learn thievery. Let others put in the effort of work and use your own skills to reap the fruits of their labor.

You won't be able to live in a community if you are constantly hurting your neighbors. Only a matter of time before you get killed or imprisoned in retaliation.

Quote:-Learn to build tools.
-Learn to think like Macgyver.

Come on... TV shows as your example?

Post: #21

One thing I'd add is time management skills. Being aware of distractions and how they kill productivity, and how to best eliminate them. Slowly but surely we're losing our ability to focus on simple tasks.

Tied to that, I think it will be a vital skill to quickly and consistently teach yourself different things from videos online, from calculus to carpentry to videography. Learn to search for the best sources and use them effectively. The number one reason I'm most appreciative I was born in this era, as maligned as us millennials are, is that we are no longer as limited by mediocre teachers and mentors. In the future, the concentration of magnet schools in places like Texas and New Jersey and shit will be overblown and just about unnecessary. It's always good to have great teachers, but today, all you need is vision, conscientiousness, and the drive to search the best of the best, which are on the internet right now, and learn from them. You just need one enterprising mentor to take you through it; your parent. You'll have your time wasted by mediocre teachers handing out poorly designed homework assignments, but shit... it's not nearly as hopeless as my parents' generation, where a whole year could go down the drain by luck of the draw.

So the number one trait to develop is that inherent "motor" to consistently seek out new things to do and improve on. Which is a talent in itself.

I'd also include public speaking and story-telling. It's becoming a lost art but expressing yourself well is the most baseline skill a person needs to have to have just about any kind of job.

Also, how could a guy who talks about "engineering" not see the inherent efficiency advantage of farming over hunting? It is one of the main reasons civilization developed, after all...

Post: #22

You're better off mastering concrete subjects about things that you use every day, or subjects that could save your life or someone else's. My list is mostly for fellow Millennials. Mastering three different disciplines and an instrument is pretty unrealistic. Lol, most people are terrible at their jobs and they work 40-50 hours a week at them.

Skills you should be using every day

• You should know how to cook decent meals from scratch. A lot of guys in my age group still live on Chinese takeout, ramen noodles, and mountain dew. That's fucking madness.
• Basic knowledge on how to repair and maintain things. Nothing fancy. Youtube helps a lot if you had an absent father. If you rely on anything heavily (be it a bike, car, whatever), you should have an understanding of how it works.
• Know how to navigate without your phone.
• Learn how to balance a budget and stick to it. If you're taking out 401k loans and living on credit cards, you fucked up.
• You should know how to do laundry the old fashioned way, without a washer and dryer. I do this with clothes too filthy to wash in the regular washer and dryer.
• You live in your body first and your home second. At minimum you should have a decent level of cardiovascular fitness and be involved in some sort of physical pursuit. It could be basketball, it could be mastering the planche, learning how to swim, biking to work, 100 pushups as soon as you wake up, whatever. At the very least, you shouldn't be on a steady physical decline after college. Diet ties into here, too. As an adult you should know what your body needs nutrition-wise.
  

Skills that could save your life or someone else's

• Basic boyscout level knowledge on shit like starting a fire, tying knots, skinning game, sharpening a knife, etc. Even if you don't use these things, you shouldn't be so sheltered that you'd never know how. At the very least you should know the bowline, the square knot, and the sheet bend (or some equivalent).
• Know how to defend yourself, unarmed, with a simple weapon, and with a gun. If you live in America, you should know how to operate a firearm without shitting yourself or making a limp wristed political statement.
• Take a class in First Aid. Learn enough about medicine in the field to get someone to a hospital in one piece.
• Learn how to grow a couple different vegetables.
• Develop enough strength to carry a man your own size (or larger) up a flight of stairs without serious strain or difficulty.
  

There's probably more.

Post: #23

Op why do you believe yourself to be a polymath? A claim like that demands evidence.


Edit: also, screw this five skills nonsense. Most people never get good at anything. Pick one thing and get really good at it.

Post: #24

(07-21-2015 07:39 AM)Hades Wrote:  Op why do you believe yourself to be a polymath? A claim like that demands evidence.


Edit: also, screw this five skills nonsense. Most people never get good at anything. Pick one thing and get really good at it.

There is an argument to made in favor of knowing many things. While one can only become a master in a subject by diligently studying it for many years, there are diminishing rates of return, and in some ways detrimental to a person.

A man can be a fantastic engineer, but isn't very useful if he can't transform value from his knowledge. Consider what would happen if he didn't know how to handle the Human Resources ditz or how to create a business or couldn't orally teach the knowledge to students?

Keep in mind you need a great deal of knowledge so you can serve yourself. The manosphere itself is something that serves male knowledge. Consider my father who married my mother. My father's family was against the marriage for various vices they saw in my mother. My mother would later divorce my father and he would pay a hefty price for it in court. No amount of study in economics, engineering or any subject can be useful to you in marriage if you end up with the wrong woman. In much extent to this area of the internet, it could easily argued a man shouldn't get married at all.

Post: #25

(07-20-2015 01:48 PM)Architekt Wrote:  @Kabal: I wrote a lengthy reply to this yesterday but I must have forgotten to press post :l

Basically, the idea of studying anthropology isn't so you "know everything that ever was," but rather so you have a grounding in the causes and effects of human nature. At this point in time, there has been so much misinformation and propaganda spread that it's no longer really possible to know for sure what really happened in the past. In my opinion, though, it is greatly beneficial to at least think about the history of human nature and civilisation, in that it is a gateway to deeper thinking about society at large and the ways we are connected as humans and what makes us different.

That anthropology encompasses a huge variety of different fields related to our past, all of which I feel are important, and the sheer breadth of knowledge that can be gained from the study of anthropology is invaluable to any man, is what makes it so great

I love it, maybe that's just me, though

I thought this was pretty clear, but it's not that I don't think understanding the causes and effects of human nature, society, and the variation across individuals and populations are important. These are topics I, too, enjoy.

It's just that the fields of Economics, History, and Physical Anthropology cover these topics with more rigor than the field of Cultural Anthropology. In fact, "findings" from Cultural Anthropology and Cultural Studies are responsible for much of the foundations of Western propaganda that you are concerned about. If you want to learn about human culture, civilization, and behavior, you are better off taking 3 Economics, History, or Physical Anthropology courses than 3 Cultural Anthropology courses, or checking out 3 books from the library labeled under Economics, History, or Physical Anthropology than Cultural Anthropology.