Post: #76

(07-23-2015 01:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  An interesting documentary is also Thrive, which was produced and financed by Foster Gamble - one of the heirs of the Proctor & Gamble empire.





He covers well the financial scam, then goes into suppressed technologies before turning a bit New Agey, but the first parts are great. It's also funny how his wife talks about cancer and the obviously repressed medical tech. Most wealthy people die of the disease too, while the scam is continued in order to achieve their own goals of population control and financial gain.

So in all of this we must separate between what is 100% certain (money scam via usury and control of the central banks), to what could or could not be (all the Eyes Wide Shut Luciferian stuff).

You mentioned that you suddenly were left without remorse. I would not put it like that. I prefer to be as honorable as I can, but some parts have changed within me. Anything that concerns fucking with the big corporations, governments (who are fully under their control), banks - I feel no remorse whatsoever to treat those entities in any decent way. In my opinion they should be taken advantage of whenever possible by anyone on Earth. As far as the general population goes and even mid-size major companies - then those are owned and comprised by different folk and should be treated in honorable ways. That's why I did not feel good working for banking and insurance companies, because a great part of the stuff I was supervising was just a pure scam perpetrated on the public.

Will check out the documentary soon, thanks for sharing. You make an important differentiation which I didn't outright define, the certain vs. the speculation. I do believe that the major families basically control the central banks. Standard Oil eventually became the six sisters and the remaining bastard children oil companies that now exist. The Rockefeller Estate could have stopped working in the 1920's and still be a top 10 estate today. Same with many other families. They don't have to time the markets because they will just bleed us out like a chip leader at the last table in poker would do.

Yeah, my Machiavellian disposition is a WIP. Basically, it was a rude awakening after heeding to the highschool suggestion of being "good little boy conformist" waiting to receive my penance which really contradicts my true nature. That social conditioning game had a good 10-12 year run and fuck was I miserable. As you can tell, I haven't been able to remove emotion from this just yet. I look at what the social conditioning did to my parents and Dad's side of the family. So naive and uneducated on matters of money which was passed onto me. I look at my brother who has executed the corporate climber playbook and wonder when the last time he felt at peace was. I always knew my family was financially retarded but looking at the total picture, I can't blame them for being trusting humans. Luckily for me, I don't have to repeat their mistakes. I've already started building my own scalable business 8 months ago and love it. The goal is to end up at that mid level you mentioned. Nothing would make me happier than being able to send 6 or 7 figure invoices to Fortune 500 companies in twenty years time.

TL; DR I swallowed the financial red pill, it is more repulsive than the sexual RP. I am angry and feeling vindictive which will subside and provide perfect clarity on how to kill it in this world.

Post: #77

(07-23-2015 01:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...It's also funny how his wife talks about cancer and the obviously repressed medical tech. Most wealthy people die of the disease too, while the scam is continued in order to achieve their own goals of population control and financial gain.

I'm curious about what you think about repressed medical advances.

Post: #78

(07-23-2015 09:19 PM)poutsara Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 01:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...It's also funny how his wife talks about cancer and the obviously repressed medical tech. Most wealthy people die of the disease too, while the scam is continued in order to achieve their own goals of population control and financial gain.

I'm curious about what you think about repressed medical advances. My one liner on this, is that most of our big medical issues could be done away with quick IF we got serious about diet and exercise, including clean foods. This would hugely decreases incidence of many if not most diagnoses of diabetes, COPD, heart disease, many cancers. However, this does not mean there is a conspiracy to repress legitimate cures of advanced cancers. Although, one can make the argument (way too long for discussion here) that the logistics of medical care and medical research do not serve the public interest in many cases.

Foster Gamble and his wife came from well-off, well-connected families and they used their wealth to travel around the world, visit inventors, doctors, hire fact checkers, collect newspaper publications etc. Their search was not limited to google and Wikipedia. So of course they found plenty of stuff.

http://www.thebigcancerlie.com/



I have a post coming up on alternative treatments, but you basically only have access to the natural ones of diet, vitamin C - at the most some injections of simple compounds that were proven to be effective against cancer (baking soda, turpentine, filtered pure kerosene).

Here and there you find reports by companies like recently by one in Switzerland that claim a simple but extremely effective cure. Then nothing happens afterwards.

Prevention of cancer is rather simple (though certainly not fool-proof) - you simply avoid the most toxins and provide the body with necessary daily nutrients - sometimes a lack of a certain mineral like Germanium will strangely cause brain cancer, so of course if you have plenty of Germanium, then brain cancer is much less likely. There are other nutrients that work at preventing cancer like Selenium at doses of 200mcg/daily (that is already proven and the FDA actually lost lawsuits against manufacturers who wanted to write that fact on their supplements).

While I studied those treatments like Gerson therapy (essentially raw vegan diet and lots of juicing), vitamin c injections, Essiac herbs, Hoxsey herbs, injections of sodium bicarbonate, turpentine (100% pure gum - not the toxic one in the stores) etc. - all those treatments were better in aggregate than the conventional ones, but certainly not fool-proof.
The absolutely most effective 100% fool-proof system I found was with the frequency machine called Royal Rife machine.



Dr. Rife was a genius, inventor and MD who before inventing his frequency machine developed an optical telescope that was almost as powerful as an electronic one. His work was financed by a wealthy industrialist for whom he had developed several machines that made him very rich. By today's standard his research budget reached 100 mio. $ +, so it was no pittance. The principle is simple: when researching the very nature of cancer with his super-powerful microscope Dr. Rife found that cancer developed after a transition from a more simple organism - namely from a virus, to a fungus and then to cancer. He thus developed a high power frequency machine that was set to the frequency of cancer so to say. It did not affect any other tissue, but destroyed only that organism. By the way - he developed it first by targeting other simple viruses like flu and some 20 diseases. The only difficulty was just finding out the frequency of a virus at which it would get destroyed. So before he targeted cancer he just cured multiple other simple diseases. The treatments themselves were rather simple - you lay down on a table and got a painless frequency bombardment of just 2 minutes. Then you stood up and were healed.

So after Dr. Rife developed the technology he mustered all the notable connections he had and actually got a test-run in the 1940s - among the witnesses back then were notable doctors and professors from major US universities as well as the then Royal Physician of the British Crown. They took 10+ patients - among them even one guy with a stomach cancer so big that he could barely walk and he had a hard belly as the cancer was pressing outwards already.
100% of the patients were cured within 4-6 weeks. For the lighter cases it took 4 weeks and for the 2 harder ones - the mentioned patient above among them - it took 6 weeks. The treatments just took 2 minutes painless lying on a table - twice a week. The cancer cells were targeted and killed and it took actually 4-6 weeks for the body to rid itself of the then dead useless matter.

Of course Dr. Rife got nowhere later on with his machine. Attempts to monetize on the invention proved to be futile since anyone finding out about the respective frequencies could create such a machine. He later became an alcoholic as he thought that humanity would jump on the invention - but instead "society" just ignored and suppressed it.

And what gives it more credence to the story aside from the official statements back then is the fact that around the same time there was another medical scientists on the East coast who worked on exactly the same phenomenon - also with a massive budget. (His entire lab incl. all machines and notes later succumbed to a mysterious fire and burned down completely.) Apart from the NYC fellow there was also a French scientist who also developed a similar machine in France and cured thousands of people in the 1940s-60s (I can't find his data right now, but I have it somewhere - pics and everything).

Now the healing aspect of that technology is problematic to the top for multiple reasons. Not only is it fool-proof and virtually 100% effective, but it also heals pretty much anything else that is caused by a virus, bacteria, parasite or fungus (as soon as you find out the respective vibrational frequency of it).

That is why I had a chuckle when I saw this in the Matt Damon movie Elysium:



Of course cancer would take more than the 60 seconds portrayed in the movie since your body still has to get rid of the dead tissue and there may be some additional growth later on, but the principle remains the same. Within minutes of treatment you are healed.

The technology would have had tremendous impact on the 500-1000 bio. $ yearly pharma industry, it would prolong lifespans (which would cost globalists' pension money), it would make us smarter, more free and healthier overall. It would also probably increase population at a higher rate.

Now the whole story becomes even more insidious if you research Dr. Rife's super-powerful optical telescope which achieved it's near electronic resolution by breaking the light:



That microscope was especially interesting and is no surprise that it "disappeared" as well - one by the way was sent to the Royal MD of the British Crown. The reason why that microscope had to disappear was because contrary to the electronic highly expensive microscope it can observe movement of cells and the changes. Since Dr. Rife sat for months sometimes 20 hours / day observing changes in the cell structure he observed the following: pleomorphism is a fact.

Quote:In the first decades of the 20th century, the term "pleomorphism" was used to refer to the idea that bacteria changed shape dramatically or existed in a number of extreme morphological forms. This claim was controversial among microbiologists of the time, and split them into two schools: the monomorphists, who opposed the claim, and the pleomorphists such as Antoine Béchamp, Ernst Almquist, Günther Enderlein and Albert Calmette.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleomorphi...robiology)

Now of course later on the Wiki-mainstream-pedia article claims that the theory was disproven. Dr. Rife especially with the aid of his super-microscope proved the opposite and found that there are initial micro-cells, that depending on the toxins and nutrients of the body tissue either develop into viruses, then later into bacteria and then into fungi. So just like Bechamp they claim that the health of the body is nutrients minus toxins.

(Only recently have they admitted that there are things like micro-bacteria and that those cells do change tremendously.)

Why is this relevant and why is a super-powerful microscope so dangerous in that regard?

Because if every lab in the world had Dr. Rife's spectral microscope and could observe those pleomorphic cell changes, well then the germ theory by Pasteur would have to be completely altered. Also the treatments would have to be changed, since the virus would mean nothing and the base or tissue on which those bacteria or viruses grow would mean everything. The reason simply being that if viruses or bacteria are created by the body due to a massive lack of nutrients or toxins, then basically ANY DISEASE CAN RETURN if you suddenly would have living standards of the middle ages. Even the plague would make a comeback as it would grow due to the people being undernourished and having bad hygiene. Pleomorphism would turn our entire medical knowledge upside down - only surgery and trauma treatment would be almost unaffected (those fields in the mainstream I have the greatest respect of incidentally).

So yeah - TL;DR - plenty of stuff is out there - if you have the time and money you can even find old MDs who have used a simplified Rife machine back in the 1960s (a machine created by Dr. Rife later on - not the ineffective knock-offs they sell now online) and who cured cancer of hundreds of patients. One doctor gives an interview in the Thrive documentary (or in the Dr. Rife documentary I saw) and says that one day in the 1960s the FBI came over and just took it. The agents then said that the doctor could sue the government if he wanted to.

So yes - suppression of cancer treatments is essentially mass murder, but who knows - maybe they view it as saving the world, since they do their contribution of thinning the herd. Personally I think it's evil, especially if you have young loved ones that are dying uselessly from a disease that is potentially so simple to cure. Also there is just too much information and credible data out there that confirms what I said above - aside from the fact that it fits with the natural healing experiences I had personally. But I am sure you can also go on the professional pharma-paid "debunking" sites, scream slander and "cook", get your fix of simple explanations and that your next best chemo treatment will soon cure cancer for sure.

Oh - by the way - I discussed all the above stuff with some friends of mine who are MDs. One works for big pharma at a pretty high level already and he agreed with me that this technology could exist, though he said that it would be impossible to patent. But on the other hand - no reason to lose sleep over it. Life is at is - and our tech will move forward as well - sooner or later this stuff will come up again if we move forward in the development of our civilization.

Post: #79

(07-24-2015 02:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Because if every lab in the world had Dr. Rife's spectral microscope and could observe those pleomorphic cell changes, well then the germ theory by Pasteur would have to be completely altered. Also the treatments would have to be changed, since the virus would mean nothing and the base or tissue on which those bacteria or viruses grow would mean everything. The reason simply being that if viruses or bacteria are created by the body due to a massive lack of nutrients or toxins, then basically ANY DISEASE CAN RETURN if you suddenly would have living standards of the middle ages. Even the plague would make a comeback as it would grow due to the people being undernourished and having bad hygiene.

If so, then why are we not seeing Bubonic Plague rampaging across the African continent, particularly in drought-hit areas or civil-war-heavy areas like the Sudan or Ethiopia? The conditions there are positively medieval. Where is the smallpox epidemic that should have depopulated the continent? Where is Spanish influenza, responsible for the death of 5% of the planet's population about one century ago, and which struck down all walks of life including the Spanish King (thus giving the condition its name) who presumably had pretty solid nutrition and decent hygiene?

Post: #80

(07-24-2015 03:51 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(07-24-2015 02:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Because if every lab in the world had Dr. Rife's spectral microscope and could observe those pleomorphic cell changes, well then the germ theory by Pasteur would have to be completely altered. Also the treatments would have to be changed, since the virus would mean nothing and the base or tissue on which those bacteria or viruses grow would mean everything. The reason simply being that if viruses or bacteria are created by the body due to a massive lack of nutrients or toxins, then basically ANY DISEASE CAN RETURN if you suddenly would have living standards of the middle ages. Even the plague would make a comeback as it would grow due to the people being undernourished and having bad hygiene.

If so, then why are we not seeing Bubonic Plague rampaging across the African continent, particularly in drought-hit areas or civil-war-heavy areas like the Sudan or Ethiopia? The conditions there are positively medieval. Where is the smallpox epidemic that should have depopulated the continent? Where is Spanish influenza, responsible for the death of 5% of the planet's population about one century ago, and which struck down all walks of life including the Spanish King (thus giving the condition its name) who presumably had pretty solid nutrition and decent hygiene?

1. Spanish Influenza was a bullshit disease caused by vaccines - first the soliders and then the population. It completely left countries alone which did not have WWI and post WWI mass vaccinations (as there were plenty of vaccines left)
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content...d-vaccines
The Spanish king took certainly a solid bunch of multiple shots of that new marvelous set of wonder-drugs in a needle (around WWI they issued several new vaccines - most of them were completely retracted later on. Also - even if you think that vaccines are bad, then Dr. Salk from the Polio vaccine said that HIS VACCINE FROM THE 1950s was very crude and rather fraught with impurities. Well if Dr. Salk said that about the vaccines of the 1950s, then I am sure the ones going back to 1914 were certainly much better - heh.)

2. Nowhere in the entire world do we have living conditions as in the European middle ages. Actually some travelers observed around the years 1000-1200 that the Indian lowest caste were better fed than even the middle class, let alone majority of the poor. South America and Africa always had better food due to the Southern climates, more meat availability (in Europe hunting was forbidden for the lowly peasant), rampant fruit growing etc. Also for bubonic plague to develop you probably need generations of that going on. That's why Columbus's greatest aid was not the gold or the new continent, but it was the potato, corn and tomato - but mostly the potato. Before that European nutrition was highly dependent on grains and meat if they could get it. Even low-class Africans have access to some nutritious all year fruits or roots. Minor regional starvation incidences do not disapprove of the rule. Besides - the sun and vitamin D3 overabundance helps itself as far as human health is concerned - that is lacking too in the European climates. History also points to this being truthful since there were no such massively destructive plagues in the southern hemispheres or countries like India despite some occasional droughts and massive poverty.

My explanations make sense if you research the data above. For example: The first slaves in the US were poor undernourished Irish and Scottish. Almost all of them were weaker, shorter and more sickly than the black ones later brought from Africa. That's part of the reason the black ones cost 10 times more at one time. Of course with improved nutrition the new generation of White Slaves born in the US was taller and more resilient, but it also shows that the average mainland African had better food than the low-class European back then.

Post: #81

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 02:47 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  These theories (and many facts) about the elite and the extent of their control are downright scary. Yet I can't reconcile it with one thing: what about the rest of the world? Surely they don't have any power in countries like Russia or China, despite them having central banks? Countries that are too big to be intimidated and too different to be infiltrated? Why would some commissar Zhang Wei the Taoist ever care to further the ends of some Zionist fanatics on the other side of the world?

You may even dismiss me as a cook. Does not matter in real life really. I talk about different stuff over a beer - women, travel, life, spirituality. Most people are too depressed if they hear all about it. The young Wallstreet lawyer who got permission to study the Ford Foundation archives in the course of the Reece Commission did not believe that the Foundations were up to anything bad. After several weeks perusing the archives she was unfit to return to her work on Wallstreet (looking back it was probably an error for Norman Dodd to pick a female lawyer, but he wanted one who absolutely did not believe in any conspiracy). Later on she was institutionalized for a while, because she was shaken so much by what she saw in those files - documents detailing planning of WWI and WWII, correspondence with the president to not let the war end too soon and other stuff like that. In a way she lost her mind and Norman Dodd had to organize a quiet job for her, because she would not go back working for the same guys who were financing what she has read in those archives.

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

That is some stuff to keep one up at nights. What do you think would happen if one would not be bribed and knew too much? Seems like eliminating by the Elite would make it too apparent.

Post: #82

Just blessed to be on a forum where people realize what's really going on. We may disagree on almost everything, but at least we are not covered by blinders.

Post: #83

(08-06-2015 07:55 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  That is some stuff to keep one up at nights. What do you think would happen if one would not be bribed and knew too much? Seems like eliminating by the Elite would make it too apparent.

Knowing something means little frankly. Having proof, being a credible witness, being a former insider - and then deciding to oppose those powers - well that can get you killed.

The stuff I talked about is also called "open conspiracy", because essentially it is publicly available if you dig deep enough - plenty of credible sources, whistleblowers, documents and historians leaving the truth for us to see.

Since the power system is so mammoth and deeply entrenched with full global control of money, corporations, politics, media, entertainment and academia - then they are of course not overly concerned even if some people know everything. Charlotte Iserbyt Thomson was responsible for education under Reagan and took entire cars full of hard copies with her as she uncovered long-ranging educational plans to dumb down and indoctrinate future generations. She even published her findings in her books and put the data online later on. Nothing happened to her, since she wasn't really dangerous to the status quo.

Personally I doubt anyone here would ever be in real danger of any sort. You would really have to be a dissenting former working insider, a very wealthy inventor (who refuses to shelve his geo-magnetic generator or something "dangerous" like that) or a dumb billionaire who decides to create his own party and run on the promise of an interest-free money system. And even for those guys above - you will likely get warnings first and should be wise to heed them. For most of us here - the danger of a false rape accusation or a crazy ex-wife is far greater than anything the top will do to us - heh.

And honestly - all of this is nothing new in human history - the elite has often been corrupt and had been doing terrible things. Why should it surprise us that they still behave like in the Middle Ages, but are only smarter when covering it all up and selling it via propaganda?

My recommendation is for anyone to not dwell on those things too much - study them once and observe, but then live your life, take care of your health, fuck pretty girls, travel, make money, take care of your loved ones and be with your friends. Changing the system is no easy thing - even if you happen to have a good heart and are born into those families, I am sure that you are not allowed to act against the global plan at all. So even they individually cannot change the system, which means that life has to run it's course and we will see how it will work out. Nothing lasts forever here.

Post: #84

I've been reading all your posts in this thread and I really appreciate them because there's a clear internal logic so I have to accept the info.

For some reason, even though I know it's a time sink and it's counterproductive to my self development, I've been hooked on conspiracy youtube video's and my curiosity just can't seem to let it go.

Now what a lot of these conspiracy videos (or documentaries) add is a spirituality component. I know spirituality doesn't seem to be super popular on Roosh V Forum, and before these video's it wasn't on my radar either.

But the quote on quote evidence is too thought provoking and keeps stacking up. After watching a conspiracy theorists analysis on the "I Pet Goat II" video, I found the arguments so persuasive (and deeply disturbing), that I am seriously considering becoming a Christian and accepting Jesus Christ as my lord saviour before it's too late for me. I suppose becoming a Christian for this reason is bad taste but I'm not being sarcastic it was that eerie.

I just have too many questions...

Am I being conned by Christian internet marketeers and being feared into becoming religious?

Is the way they are able to fit so many world events and religious symbols into a coherent theory based on The Bible just an elaborate confirmation bias theory?

Is Freemasonry Satanic?

I see most people around me being solely concerned with me, me, me, ego, ego, ego. Is this human nature and was it always this way, or is this part of the program from the powers that be?

Does egocentrism equal Satanism (in the sense of Anton LeVay's Satanism)?

If so, then isn't Self Development and PUA Satanic? Since it's all about the self.

If they have educational programs to dumb down the populace over time, does that mean Human Nature is programmable? If so, then what else have we been programmed for?

Seriously what's with all the blatantly symbolic stuff in music video's? Is it really a "magic spell"? There's just too many music video analysis video's out there... Or could it still be just a huge blob of confirmation bias?

And man that Denver Airport mural. It's a blatant symbolic representation of culling the human populace (look it up). I mean come on... And it also fits stuff that Zelcorpion says (about long term dumbing down plans).

But the main question is: provided you do have control over the banks and money and world leaders etc... Why do they choose to act in exactly the way that they do? Everything happens for a logically deductible reason, and by seeing the output, shouldn't it be possible to accurately induce/reverse engineer what their plans are?

Also: if they are so omnipotent... what's taking them so long? Why take decades to dumb down the populace? Why exactly that timespan. Why not centuries? Why not months? If they are so powerful, why haven't they already won? These same questions for every plan they have: why so long? Why so convoluted?

Apparantly they "have something" on everyone. If you're a big player they will threaten you with big stuff. But why wasn't there anyone who was like 'fuck it I'll take the fall for humanity'. I mean there must be some people willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good I'd hope.

Tl;dr: conspiracy theories have me hooked with questions but I wish they didn't.

Post: #85

Watched this documentary recently which just reinforced a lot of points that I already knew. However, the legitimacy of the IRS is in question and is interesting to consider. I never realized the difference between indirect and direct taxes but it does raise many questions.

http://freedocumentaries.org/documentary...watch-film

The most staggering figure to me was the amount of income tax paid compared to corporate tax, $927 Billion (personal income) vs. $278 Billion (corporate). When you factor in that the charter banks of the fed get 6% dividends, you wonder why we aren't given a life supply of lube and a pillow to bite down on for the ass fucking we take.

Russo takes an alarmist POV on some other topics but I thought his point on immigration vs. security is a perfect illustration of the hypocrisy.

Anyways, my take away is just to speed up my timeline of incorporating and getting my business off the ground.

Post: #86

(08-08-2015 05:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Personally I doubt anyone here would ever be in real danger of any sort. You would really have to be a dissenting former working insider, a very wealthy inventor (who refuses to shelve his geo-magnetic generator or something "dangerous" like that) or a dumb billionaire who decides to create his own party and run on the promise of an interest-free money system. And even for those guys above - you will likely get warnings first and should be wise to heed them. For most of us here - the danger of a false rape accusation or a crazy ex-wife is far greater than anything the top will do to us - heh.

Your post Zel is spot on, however I am curious as to why do you think the billionaire above is dumb?

(08-08-2015 05:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  And honestly - all of this is nothing new in human history - the elite has often been corrupt and had been doing terrible things. Why should it surprise us that they still behave like in the Middle Ages, but are only smarter when covering it all up and selling it via propaganda?

I beg to differ. The problem we have today is historically unique. The elites of yore came in all shapes and sizes, good, bad but mostly in between. Sometimes they did good, sometimes not, but for the most part they left people alone. Not so today where the elite are continuously attacking society. Why, with all the revolutions, the wars, the false religions of communism and consumerism, the social poisons of sexual liberation and feminism and countless more, one is unable but to conclude that the elite of today are animated by nothing short of hatred and outright hostility toward humanity and not by profit or gain.*

* Profit and gain is meaningless to them since they monopolize the nations credit.

Post: #87

(08-10-2015 11:29 AM)FlyBoy Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 05:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Personally I doubt anyone here would ever be in real danger of any sort. You would really have to be a dissenting former working insider, a very wealthy inventor (who refuses to shelve his geo-magnetic generator or something "dangerous" like that) or a dumb billionaire who decides to create his own party and run on the promise of an interest-free money system.

Your post Zel is spot on, however I am curious as to why do you think the billionaire above is dumb?

(08-08-2015 05:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  And honestly - all of this is nothing new in human history - the elite has often been corrupt and had been doing terrible things. Why should it surprise us that they still behave like in the Middle Ages, but are only smarter when covering it all up and selling it via propaganda?

I beg to differ. The problem we have today is historically unique. The elites of yore came in all shapes and sizes, good, bad but mostly in between. Sometimes they did good, sometimes not, but for the most part they left people alone. Not so today where the elite are continuously attacking society. Why, with all the revolutions, the wars, the false religions of communism and consumerism, the social poisons of sexual liberation and feminism and countless more, one is unable but to conclude that the elite of today are animated by nothing short of hatred and outright hostility toward humanity and not by profit or gain.*

* Profit and gain is meaningless to them since they monopolize the nations credit.

Such a billionaire would not be dumb of course in the sense that such a plan would not bear fruit. But he would be dumb to underestimate them. The power structure is way too deep and he or his family would be dead before he even enacted his political plans.

The elite of the past generally even if brilliant limited their plans to their own lifetimes. That is the main difference. The current one has a much greater span.

To dtpilgrim before:

The span it takes is mammoth, because enacting full control while making money and entrenching yourself into all structures and countries - that takes time. In certain times in history they thought that humanity would accept a One World Government. Such a time happened the last time after WWII. You would have to read the talks of Julian Huxley and how blatantly open they were back then. They thought that the nations of the world tired after the mass slaughter would all fall in line. But of course they were mistaken, because back then families were still intact and the nationalities were much different. They realized that they needed to destroy the nuclear family, healthy masculinity, the unity of the nation state, ethnic uniformity of those nations - among many other things. When the world is filled mainly with easily adaptable SJWs, then will they be able to accept their Brave New World. This takes tremendous time - also there are natural resistance patterns to every move.

I would also not get caught too much about the occult part. Yes - Freemasonry is definitely occult, but everyone knows that when looking for example at US bank notes and Egyptian mythology spread in all capitols (WTF do obelisks and pyramids have to do with the basic Christian values of those countries?). That said - I personally would not call that Satanic unless you are moving into the mental territory where you call everything from Yoga to lipstick "Satanic".

Even if some of them engage in occult practices I highly doubt that the majority is greatly into it. But who knows - if fucking models while wearing dark robes is more fun during an Eyes Wide Shut party, then some of them may indeed have "practices" like that. However whether for fun, kicks or true conviction - that is all speculation unless you have been present at such an event.

As far as Freemasonry is concerned - initially it wasn't that bad. They were creating secret organisations in the beginning to further science and enlightenment out of the fear of the Christian church, which back then curbed science (for example even banning statements which said that humans have blood-flow - blood was standing because God wanted it to stand). Later on it evolved into a tool for some people to further their careers and seemed to have been taken over by the money boys, which is no surprise if you control the printing presses and rule via usury. But again - I would not overstress their importance as of now, since the power structure is more entrenched in the corporations, NGOs and government agencies (agencies which rule no matter who publicly "supervises" them).

Post: #88

^^^Freemasons

Can't really understand why so many people hate/fear Freemasons. I'm not a brother since it's not my scene. Also, I'm an atheist so would have a problem with the whole "Grand Architect of the Universe" bit. But I view the Freemasons more favourably than most religious groupings I can think of, including the Catholic Church. The masons seem to have much broader goals which include "development", both individual and societal that seem positive.

The secrecy and Egyptian stuff sees like harmless fun to me, though obviously many people see this differently. If someone, or some group is really looking to "take over the world' I can think of many, many groups much worse than the Masons to do this.

Post: #89

(07-23-2015 09:19 PM)poutsara Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 01:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...It's also funny how his wife talks about cancer and the obviously repressed medical tech. Most wealthy people die of the disease too, while the scam is continued in order to achieve their own goals of population control and financial gain.

I'm curious about what you think about repressed medical advances. My one liner on this, is that most of our big medical issues could be done away with quick IF we got serious about diet and exercise, including clean foods. This would hugely decreases incidence of many if not most diagnoses of diabetes, COPD, heart disease, many cancers. However, this does not mean there is a conspiracy to repress legitimate cures of advanced cancers. Although, one can make the argument (way too long for discussion here) that the logistics of medical care and medical research do not serve the public interest in many cases.

Being able to change your inborn genetic defects and shortcomings with organ transplants and cloning. We already know who runs international organ trafficking. You can change bad diet and bad lifestyle but you can't change your genetic disposition.

Post: #90

Some say it's big business, corporations, politicians, elite aristocrats, or behind the scenes governmental agency's. That could be true. Those same people would probably agree that its the 1% of the most wealthy, most influential people. The 6 or 7 wealthiest 'families' that have been around since before there WAS a United States.

The reality is, however, that we don't know. We DO NOT know. Some would argue that ,"well jayyrod1 if there is really such a gathering that runs the US then someone would find out, they would know about it."
I could agree with that thought. Its only logical the believe that a group with that much influence, money, and power would be heard of. We're talking about an entire nation and all we have on yhr subject are rumours. Whispers in the wind that float around and in the right mind, begs to question. What's really going on?
Is there a government for the people, by the people, or Is it an illusion meant to make us think we have a choice and a say in the future of our nation?

This contributors in this thread have some good theory's, some excellent opinions. Some that make me think deeply on the subject, more than I have before. Although we have no answer, I believe we are asking the right questions.
I believe that iifkore americans had these thoughts and asked these questions; we would be closer to an answer! We may be met with only a fraction of the truth but that's progress. That is the platform for inquisition, to get people thinking about more than their problems. To see that their future and their children's future is more important than their ex girlfriends abortion, their brothers misogyny, or there dogs sexual orientation. To set all that aside and realize one simple truth.
That they are nothing. That we are nothing. That we are all drops of water in the Atlantic ocean generating the 'power' in the wheelhouse that IS the elites that rule. The 1%. The rumours we can not identify... While they run this nation in to the ground and destroy the livelihoods of future generations with their 'leadership'.

So if you ask me, who really controls the U.S? I would the tell you that "They" do. That 318.9 millions Americans are choosing willful ignorance and relinquishing their futures, our future, to "Them". They remain unseen, cloaked in the shadows feeding illusions to the american people. Because they know, that if 318 million of us really, REALLY gave thought to what was happening in our nation and who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?
It would be revolutionary.

The power of the people lies in the awareness of the people. As long as they can keep us distracted, we are powerless. They know this, and they aren't afraid to pay off or kill off anyone who threatens their position by freeing the minds of the people.

Thanks for listening.
-Jay

Post: #91

(08-11-2015 03:18 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  ^^^Freemasons

Can't really understand why so many people hate/fear Freemasons. I'm not a brother since it's not my scene. Also, I'm an atheist so would have a problem with the whole "Grand Architect of the Universe" bit. But I view the Freemasons more favourably than most religious groupings I can think of, including the Catholic Church. The masons seem to have much broader goals which include "development", both individual and societal that seem positive.

The secrecy and Egyptian stuff sees like harmless fun to me, though obviously many people see this differently. If someone, or some group is really looking to "take over the world' I can think of many, many groups much worse than the Masons to do this.

People confuse some ww2 vet in a miniature car and a few with Freemasonry. Certain groups like skull and bones, the bilderberg group and the CFR are run by and composed of only extremely high member Freemasons which have nothing to do with your local rotary club, masons, etc.

Post: #92

"A new office block in Sweden is offering workers the chance to have a microchip implanted under their skin to allow them to access to various services within the building. The tiny chip, the size of a grain of rice, is implanted in employees hands, allowing them to open doors, or use the photocopier, without a traditional pass card":

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2...deo-report

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31042477

Post: #93

(08-12-2015 06:41 AM)jayyrod1 Wrote:  Some say it's big business, corporations, politicians, elite aristocrats, or behind the scenes governmental agency's. That could be true. Those same people would probably agree that its the 1% of the most wealthy, most influential people. The 6 or 7 wealthiest 'families' that have been around since before there WAS a United States.

The reality is, however, that we don't know. We DO NOT know. Some would argue that ,"well jayyrod1 if there is really such a gathering that runs the US then someone would find out, they would know about it."
I could agree with that thought. Its only logical the believe that a group with that much influence, money, and power would be heard of. We're talking about an entire nation and all we have on yhr subject are rumours. Whispers in the wind that float around and in the right mind, begs to question. What's really going on?
Is there a government for the people, by the people, or Is it an illusion meant to make us think we have a choice and a say in the future of our nation?

This contributors in this thread have some good theory's, some excellent opinions. Some that make me think deeply on the subject, more than I have before. Although we have no answer, I believe we are asking the right questions.
I believe that iifkore americans had these thoughts and asked these questions; we would be closer to an answer! We may be met with only a fraction of the truth but that's progress. That is the platform for inquisition, to get people thinking about more than their problems. To see that their future and their children's future is more important than their ex girlfriends abortion, their brothers misogyny, or there dogs sexual orientation. To set all that aside and realize one simple truth.
That they are nothing. That we are nothing. That we are all drops of water in the Atlantic ocean generating the 'power' in the wheelhouse that IS the elites that rule. The 1%. The rumours we can not identify... While they run this nation in to the ground and destroy the livelihoods of future generations with their 'leadership'.

So if you ask me, who really controls the U.S? I would the tell you that "They" do. That 318.9 millions Americans are choosing willful ignorance and relinquishing their futures, our future, to "Them". They remain unseen, cloaked in the shadows feeding illusions to the american people. Because they know, that if 318 million of us really, REALLY gave thought to what was happening in our nation and who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?
It would be revolutionary.

The power of the people lies in the awareness of the people. As long as they can keep us distracted, we are powerless. They know this, and they aren't afraid to pay off or kill off anyone who threatens their position by freeing the minds of the people.

Thanks for listening.
-Jay

Agreed!

Post: #94

People who control the US, don't have their names plastered in the media.

You will never see them or get close to them.

They control your future, they control the way you think. Once you think outside of the box then you are getting close to the reality.

99% of the news is garbage and lies, some of these "events" have been staged. This has been written about in alternative media and has been proven.

When the population wakes up, it will be too late.

For those who don't believe, what are you doing to change this messed up world we live in?

Post: #95

Who really controls the US? The bigger question is who controls most nations in the West (not just the US), and why that control is destabilizing for the great majority of people, and how this has happened, and where this will lead.

I think the answer is, in general terms, those who control debt control the US, and the world.

This isn't a Left vs Right issue. In fact, a key point is that both the Left and Right (both in Europe and the States) are essentially complicit. Also, this isn't a private enterprise vs government issue, either. The power players in finance and government share a revolving door. This is no secret.

Post: #96

There is a book I have not read called "Confessions of an Economic Hit."

From Wikipedia

Quote:According to Perkins, he began writing Confessions of an Economic Hit Man in the 1980s, but "threats or bribes always convinced [him] to stop."[citation needed]

According to his book,[page needed] Perkins' function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with debts they could not hope to pay, those countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an economic hit man as follows:

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.

Post: #97

(11-02-2015 01:40 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  There is a book I have not read called "Confessions of an Economic Hit."

From Wikipedia

Quote:According to Perkins, he began writing Confessions of an Economic Hit Man in the 1980s, but "threats or bribes always convinced [him] to stop."[citation needed]

According to his book,[page needed] Perkins' function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with debts they could not hope to pay, those countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an economic hit man as follows:

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.

That book is good. He was busy mostly in South America. The interesting part is when one more idealistic president refused his offer of more debt. In that case the president or politician always ended up dead or somehow deposed.

In case anyone is wondering - that is what the real James Bond 007 is doing - killing political leaders, killing inventors and idealists, killing off even family members of top money power families. No one may oppose the big agenda.

That's why there won't be a way out via a Trump that they don't control fully. I once saw a book named "How to cause a Heart Attack" written by an ex-CIA agent. He also wrote book 2, because there are so many ways to do it on the sly.

Post: #98

America is run by lobbyists and corporations. Democrats and Republicans are the same party. No matter who you vote for in America, nothing changes. There is no difference between the two parties, they just have wedge issues.

Obama was supposed to be a socialist helping the poor get freebies (that's why they voted for him) but all he did is help the rich by making healthcare more expensive and making it mandatory for you to pay for it and fined if you don't, making the government and the corporations get more money. Obama said he would get rid of Guantanamo Bay and protect whistleblowers and he didn't. Look at the Megaupload fiasco. It only got shut down because a RIAA lobbyist told a Democrat that he would withdraw funds unless piracy was tackled, and then the site was shut down soon after. It's all about corporate money.

Post: #99

Some excellent posts here by our man Zelcoprion, as always. Keep fighting the good fight brother. I am definitely interested in reading more of your information on healthy diets, nutrients, mega-dosing vitamins, medical treatments and such.

People always call me out on this when debating issues...."Who are THEY?" "Who are these mysterious people controlling everything you talk about?".
I think we need to start naming names and watching "THEM" and documenting all their actions. Let's identify as many of the Koch Brothers, George Soros, Bill Gates, Zuckerbergs, Warren Buffets, Carnegies, Rockefellers, etc and other big money players as we can and shine the flashlight on them. Wouldn't it help to see comprehensive lists detailing the words and actions of these mega rich billionaires and how they are controlling society? Should we just start with the list of worlds richest men and go down the list and see where the money is coming from/going to? It's not going to wake up the 75% of society that is willfully ignorant, but it's a start. Are there websites like that out there dedicated to exposing billionaire cronies and their global interests?

Post: #100

Study the history of the Fed - who founded it and why, who controls it today and why and you will know who controls America... hint JP Morgan's Father worked in the City in London making markets in Bank of England bonds and the Bank of England was used to engineer the conversion of the Post WW1 and WWII British colonial empire into the British Commonwealth of Nations financial empire and to this day most international commerce does not take place with out the services of the UK Global risk management capabilities Lloyd's of London:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd%27s_of_London and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Rob...Rothschild and financial servants to the Crown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_M_Rothschild_%26_Sons and large ownership stakes in the Fed - not the least of which the Ron and Rand Paul initiatives to audit the Fed keep getting stonewalled as the people and families that control the Fed control the USA - While the UK citizens enjoy cradle to grave social safety nets the USA Middle class is crushed by legal mandates to pay for supporting medicare, social security and Obamacare... while providing a global military capability closely linked to Crown sanctioned initiatives - most cleaning up ancient messes created by the British Colonial Empire in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family ... who really controls the foundation elite institutions of the USA... and much of the world's free markets and global trade. Even the Chinese and Russia need to finance their Global Trade and manage their global risks.