(03-02-2019 07:03 PM)Prince Hubris Wrote: The national debt is not going to bring about a collapse. At this point it is irrelevant because the rest of the world will continue accepting the dollar (as long as there is no major alternative at least, which so far there isn't), and they can just allow the debt to keep growing. You are not bankrupt unless you publicly acknowledge it, which is what the government will continue to do. They can keep printing money and inflation will remain relatively low, as it has for the past decades. The Fed knows what it is doing.
Peter Schiff and these other lolbertarian types have been saying the dollar will collapse for a long time, but the economic conditions are different than what they understand.
This is denial. Peter Schiff, while himself a chicken little, is fundamentally correct about the nature of debt. There are hundreds of historical examples of bankruptcies destroying civilizations or countries. I recommend reading about them.
You are incorrect in thinking you need an alternative. There was no alternative to Roman currency, for example, and yet the Denarii became worthless.
People will end up bartering for most things as the prices of goods start increasing 100-200% per day. The rampant money printing and debt issuance is a proven killer of money.
But unlike Peter, I'm telling you the day it will happen: when interest payments cannot be serviced on the debt. Which is somewhere between 20-60 years, depending on the amount of debt and taxes collected.
At current rates, we are tripling interest payments every 10 years. We're around 330 billion in interest payments now, in ten years, 1 trillion, by 2030, 3 trillion (half our current budget), 2040, 9 trillion = bankrupt. Current rates we are bankrupt by 2040.
Such a death of a massive empire is actually quite fast by historical standards, but certainly not impossible.
(03-03-2019 01:15 AM)The Black Knight Wrote: Samseau,
I have mad respect for the real hustle you are putting in with boots on the ground action trying to change things for the better.
But I can't buy what you're selling.
I should waste my time supporting the largely cucked GOP for the next 10-40 years until the federal gov't collapses from debt overload, states rebel, mass crime/poverty/death occurs, and when everything is a wasteland, then I can seize the day as a career GOP operator who has reached the top finally to make some real changes?
Thanks for the kind words.
But you don't seem to understand the situation very clearly.
If you don't support the GOP you are doomed. You will be turned into a tax slave and destroyed, as will most Whites.
Second, destroying the country isn't my first choice either. But we know the Democrats will ensure this outcome no matter what, which is why we must fight for our survival.
Therefore, playing the long Machiavellian game is the right move. The GOP will get uncucked in time, especially if more redpill men join it now.
And of course, it goes without saying you should be able to improve your own life in between election cycles.
Quote:If shit is going to get as bad as you say (I agree with some of your assumptions/conclusions by the way; although some others are REALLY out there), no one is gonna give a shit about insider GOP operators and their great day of glory that they have been waiting decades for. The power dynamics will likely have shifted so much in unpredictable ways that it's very possible for example, anyone associated with the GOP will be blacklisted if not killed outright; seen as enablers of what caused America's downfall.
It's not about the GOP. It's about the right men getting experience in the political system so the right moves can be made when the time comes.
It's totally possible that the GOP will die someday. In such a case, the next party formed will see old GOP party infrastructure as valuable in helping to form the new party, and you will be able to control its policies and structure.
Quote:And many state governments are not remotely healthy financially and certainly won't be after a federal government collapse. Aside from the looming pension debt crisis many states are facing, you do understand that if the federal gov't goes down, nearly every state will take a massive hit in economic activity? And implying California is a fiscally healthy state is beyond absurd; they were handing out IOUs during the last financial crisis and that was a papercut compared to what you are saying is coming down the pipe.
I know the states will take a big hit. The point is, they can afford to take the hit.
I agree California would blow up fast without the Feds. But even California is downright rosy compared to the Federal Government's situation.
Quote:Quote:I was handed a excel file of over 5000 names who volunteered in 2016 in the same district I was assigned in 2018. So I open up the file and see thousands of names, but the problem? Only 10% of the names had emails attached to them. Either the file was sabotaged, or due to sheer incompetence the people running the GOP in 2016 were so unprepared for the groundswell Trump created that they did not bother to ask for email addresses. The GOP is that bad.
I emailed the names I could, asking for volunteers to come out and knock doors with me. Not a single reply, other than one dude asking to be taken off the list. So out of 5000 volunteers in 2016, not one returned to volunteer in 2018. If only 25% of Trump's volunteers had returned in 2018, we could have held the house. Instead we got less than 1%. Many of the house races lost were actually quite close..
I find this particular bit very interesting.
You never really explain the WHY behind this and just chalk it up to shitty GOP organization management. Were there no phone numbers? If so, did people bother calling them? It's 2019... mass blast e-mail campaigns aren't that effective for getting people to take substantial action anyway (it's OK for informational stuff); people tune that shit out.
No phone numbers. But mass e-mail campaigns are still better than calling with an unknown number and getting ignored. We should have gotten at least a few volunteers.
Quote:Regardless, maybe the people who stuck their necks out in 2016 weren't nearly as enthusiastic about Trump around the mid-terms for various reasons. I could think of a few legit reasons. Ultimately, a bigger volunteer force wouldn't have done shit against voter fraud and the much bigger demographic shifts happening (both immigrants and liberal migrations). If the Kavanaugh witch hunt hearings being played 24/7 for a week or two straight right before the mid-terms didn't get people motivated to vote, then what's it going to take?
This is a legit rebuttal to me.
All I can say is that I personally spoke with many dozens of people who said they didn't vote in midterms, or they only would vote for Trump, etc. Many were demoralized, and if a Republican volunteer spoke with them there is a good chance they would have voted.
People may not realize it, but having someone stop by your house to offer a "survey" and then end up with a chat about politics is actually quite a morale booster if you are a smart and smooth talker. I've fetched hundreds of votes. The district I worked in, for example, went solid Republican.
Watching the Kavinaugh hearings is one thing. But having a person come up to your door, and ask, "Do you support Judge Kavanaugh?" forces that person to stop and think. If there is even the slightest positive response you build on it - "I don't think there is a case against Kavanaugh," and then the volunteer chimes in, "Yeah, no evidence and they try to destroy him. How can our country be coming to this?" You can be sure the voter now has positive reinforcement that he has a duty to vote and stop the madness. Small pushes create big ripples in normally apathetic voters minds.
The biggest challenge is getting people to work together, to understand that people care about their vote, and not to abandon the fight. And the best way to do this isn't by being a cheesy politician, but a real guy who can speak bluntly yet "P.C." enough not to get fired. I find morale the biggest issue. Voters know right from wrong, but feel hopeless and despondent even though it's the worst possible move they could make.
That said, I fully understand people are stupid and must learn the hard way, which is why of course the Dems will get back into power, the people will rally again with another Republican victory, then get demoralized, etc. The hard way is also why the country is going to go bankrupt, because people actually believe debt doesn't matter. It's like saying getting drunk every day doesn't matter.
Quote:Quote:This isn't to say Trump isn't making mistakes. He should be hiring better loyalists
You mean hire loyalists. Better? Give me a break dude. He could have had a iron-clad inner circle of MAGA loyalists from day 1 if he wanted; protecting him and enforcing his agenda across the board. Instead, pieces of shit like Kushner and his princess daughter have INSANE amounts of power and influence while Bannon was gone in 8 months and was never replaced with any sort of equivalent person in stature and power.
I agree, although Trump got sabotaged. Remember the "Make America Great Again" website he created after his election victory, and people could submit resumes for his administration?
Well, Cernovich reported back when it happened, around March 2016 I believe, that during the transition period someone from Trump's inner circle "lost" the data on the website. So all the tens of thousands of applications from patriots around the country was completely deleted by a malicious actor, and Trump was left with hiring from his inner circle.
Who knows who could have done it? But if it was Kushner, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Trump's presidency obviously has someone within his inner circle constantly fucking everything up, and Kushner seems to be a big constant. This isn't to say that Steve Bannon was good at his job though.
Quote:Having some states declare secession sounds great but is this feasible in reality in the near future given the trend of things?
Demographic trends are engulfing most states. The states not in deep shit already are being overrun with liberal migrants at a rapid clip. They are in once conservative strongholds like Colorado, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, Idaho, and Arizona (and probably elsewhere). How long before more states get taken over? How long before that happens? How many states are even left? How do you have a red pill state secession post federal gov't collapse when all the states have been infiltrated by liberals?
The "liberal" invasion is bullshit. It's just the children of conservative boomers who've become liberal after college. Most will get redpilled with age. Happens all the time. People learn the hard way, and that's why most old voters are conservative voters. Millions of Obama voters switched to Republican, and the same shit will happen in the future ad nauseam.
This is why immigration is ultimately the key factor, because while Whites change their minds as they age and get raped by taxes, non-Whites will ride the gravy train until the end.
Quote:This is why I have said I wish Trump would just pull the pin now and do a peaceful break-up of America while we still have leverage and the numbers somewhat on our side. But fat chance that happening. Maybe we'll get a real deal guy in 2024 who will do what REALLY needs to be done (i.e. martial law and/or peaceful break-up of America). Not counting on it though.
Can't be done with a divided Republican party.
Quote:But you know what?
I'd rather just walk away if it's all going to go to shit so bad. Life is too short and the entire world will likely not be in total chaos. America might spend decades in decline but that doesn't mean other places aren't going to be on the upswing. The Founding Fathers didn't try to reform the UK, they left and started anew elsewhere. Maybe instead of trying to reform from within the rot, do what the Founding Fathers did and find a better foundation for your ideal country.
Usually, it's better to retreat and regroup than go down with the ship.
The Founding Fathers actually stayed on the ship, mutinied, killed the Captain, and took the ship for themselves.
It was the Puritans who left England, even when England was in fine condition economically. And the Jamestown settlers were men like us, men who were looking for money and pussy on exotic shores.
None of America's founding stalk were cowards who ran from a fight. Especially the 1760 British Colonists, the very idea of retreat was hateful and sinful.
But more practically speaking, can you name a place that will fare well as the USA goes bankrupt? Maybe if you're lucky you can find a small place in the middle of nowhere, but keep in mind the world economy will grind to a halt and most things you take for granted, such as stable airports or food, will become super expensive or even unavailable.
And like all depressions, it will eventually fade and things will improve, but if you're stuck in some jungle retreat then your kids or grandkids will be stuck outside of where the next evolution of Christendom occurs. They won't get to see the great wonders or have the same kind of life you and I had.
Quote:Quote:It's taken me awhile to arrive at this redpill conclusion, basically all year, as I've grappled with the failure of the Republican party to seize on the Trump movement. But upon reflection, I can see it's not so bad, and in fact, is probably for the best in the long run. Our Federal government has become too dangerous, both for its citizens and the rest of the world. It is time for a reset and a great culling of our worthless, sinful, greedy bloodsucking population. I also hope that upon a great reset of America, states will form armies with the express purpose of hunting down greedy money-hoarding elites, and taking their money to be used to pay for tax expense, as a punishment for fucking over America with illegal immigrants, pointless wars, "free trade," and social welfare programs that, when combined together, have destroyed traditional America's middle Christian class.
Just as vicious elites have played the long game to destroy Christendom (aka "Western Civilization", which is a pysop word designed to make us forget the man who actually created our civilization), so too can we play a long game to destroy the globalist order with a bankruptcy of America.
But the worst thing you can do right now is give up, and stop trying to fight back. If you do that, then you will rest assured be consumed by Democratic/Globalist plan for race socialism.
When I read your post Samseau, I couldn't help but to think of Captain Ahab from Moby Dick. Your negative experience working with the GOP has left you so despondent in many respects that you look forward to the destruction and even welcome it. Anyone not willing to fight and likely go down the ship with you and bring about the destruction and suppose rebirth is part of the problem. This doesn't sound like a healthy outlook on life nor a great plan for the next several decades.
Maybe it's time to step away from US politics for a bit and consider alternative paths that will lead to greater harmony and happiness in your life. As I said before, life is too short.
Life is short, but judgement is for eternity... I will stand before my creator after having stood for my Neighbor.
Moreover, the idea that I'm blaming people or looking forward to carnage is just projection on your part. I never "blamed" anyone, nor do I want our wealthy world to die, I'm straight up telling you that people who want to survive and not get tax raped will be voting Republican. There will be very strong political forces in play helping Republican low-taxes look attractive, just as we see Howard Schultz try to run as an independent to stop Socialism from spreading further inside the Dem party.
That's why it makes sense to help ride this trend, uncuck the Republican party by rising through the ranks, and perhaps have a shot at creating a worthwhile country.
(03-03-2019 02:57 AM)8ball Wrote: @samseau
Thanks for the detailed report regarding the structure of grassroots GOP, sounds awful.
However, there are some contradictions regarding your conclusions as to why voting GOP is the fastest acceleration plan leading to destruction of US.
1. Obama, the "controlled progressive candidate", at least by 2008 standards, raised the debt more than anyone. What makes you think anyone running in the dem primary won't do the same?
Obama actually brought the debt issuance down by the end of his term. Dems rose taxes and were gouging the military to balance the books.
Once Republicans got back into power, Dems are forced to compromise which means taking on national debt.
Quote:2. The current policies that dem candidates are running on will not pay for themselves through high taxes on "productive population" because there are too many loopholes in the US that don't exist in other countries you use as examples. Some of their policies will likely be ruled unconstitutional, the candidates running know this, but they don't give a shit about the debt. Even if by some luck they get some of their tax policy through, it won't even make a dent in covering all the free shit they are promising.
Just because taxes cannot cover their policies does not mean they will not tax you. It doesn't matter if the programs are a failure. They'll claim every bit of money helps to control the debt and other costs, and raise taxes over and over anyways.
The Dems don't care if people get crushed by taxes. Look at how AOC celebrated when Amazon left NYC. And by raising taxes to extreme levels, Dems can postpone the day of American bankruptcy by an easy 10-20 years.
If, instead of taking on a trillion of debt each year, we only take on 500 billion as we did at the end of Obama's term, then our bankruptcy takes that much longer.
Quote:3. While you are correct that when an empire can't pay for its military, it collapses, it only does so when it is challenged by other strong powers. Dem candidates will gut part of the military and will likely be less "hawkish" in foreign policy. Obama for instance didn't go into syria even after his "red line" + pulled out of iraq too early and Iran pretty much took charge of both places. He let russia walk into ukraine and barely lifted a finger when it was clearly evident china has global military power ambitions. He also closed some bases over seas, i think about 4 in Germany. Another dem candidates will likely pull all bases from places like germany.
We'll go bankrupt easily just off social entitlements alone. Look at how many EU countries are going bankrupt despite relying on American troops for defense?
Quote:4. The secessionist and extreme movements you speak off will likely get funding from China, Russia and others in order to weaken the US. However its difficult to see, given how large the military industrial complex, that the US won't simply become a military dictatorship before it dissolves. Also the US still has the dollar, de-dollarization will take along time and a coordinated effort from many countries.
I don't think those other countries will be funding shit. They will be even more broke than America is. They will have their own nightmare situations to deal with.
It will be every man for himself, every country for itself.
And yes, the military dictatorship is a real possibility, which is why it's important to keep Republicans in power to prevent a despotic Democratic regime from arising. They will continue to compromise and make the debt blow up at super speeds.
Quote:5. It was mentioned here before, but the low debt level for states is somewhat irrelevant given the level economic desperation that will occur after a Federal collapse. You mentioned california for instance, not even touching things like pensions or medical promises, 70-80% of tech companies would have to close their doors as they are all operating on losses. You are right about the fact that on any collapse, the cities and urban areas would suffer tremendously and will become shitholes.
I agree that many blue states cook their books to look more financially healthy than they are, and even red states, but overall they will still be far less broke than the Federal government.
I expect some states to collateralize their available debt and issue a new currency out of it. That will stabilize their economies and eventually the most powerful states will be competing to see which currency can take the #1 spot.
Quote:6. It sounds like what you are sying is: a divided washington will bring the collapse of the republic the quickest and we should all vote repub given the dem's demographic advantage so they don't take everything at once. Basically forcing the continuation of the system of checks and balances. I think this is fine, i certainly wouldn't want to see a 65% dem majority control house/senate and presidency, at least not yet. Its going to take a long time before that happens.
Exactly.
Voting and working for the GOP is a win-win.
Either Republicans somehow magically pull their shit together and fix the country (<5% chance), or they at least keep the Dems from assuming a total Communist dictatorship based around hating White people while the debt skyrockets until we can at least be free of our oppressive Federal government. And if you start now you can be in a position of significant influence and power when that time arrives to really set a strong foundation for the next leg of our civilization.
It sucks when you realize you're the guy who is on the frontlines, but eventually you make peace with your situation and dance with it.
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