Post: #74101

(01-22-2018 08:38 AM)zigZag Wrote:  Immigration isn't the reason demographics in this country are changing. The simple fact is that white birth rate is not even at replacement level. Maybe instead of complaining about non-white immigration... all the white guys here would find a white girl and start a family and have 4 or 5 or even more white kids. But that would be hard.

So the non-whites just magically appeared out of nowhere in the United States? Are you sure it wasn't drastic changes in immigration over the past 40 years?

What a great plan, let anyone in and just everyone try to out-baby each other and whatever happens, happens. Our culture gone? American Constitution, laws, way of life fundamentally changed forever? Oh well! Should have had more babies!

No thanks, we'll just close the border instead.

Edit- to be clear, of course white people should be having more babies as well. A Trump Baby Boom would do us a lot of good in more ways than one. But the point is our country has multiple options to slow down the blue death and the simplest one easily within our power is to stop importing the people first place, and deporting the illegals.

Post: #74102

(01-22-2018 08:40 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:16 AM)godzilla Wrote:  White east Asians

What is a White East Asian? Is that like one of those "White Hispanics"?

Quote:But the difference here is, too many fat white guys would probably never have sex without them.

I guess you dont like factual evidence about the way people vote in this country

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847...lls-showed

Post: #74103

(01-22-2018 08:50 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:38 AM)zigZag Wrote:  Immigration isn't the reason demographics in this country are changing. The simple fact is that white birth rate is not even at replacement level. Maybe instead of complaining about non-white immigration... all the white guys here would find a white girl and start a family and have 4 or 5 or even more white kids. But that would be hard.

So the non-whites just magically appeared out of nowhere in the United States? Are you sure it wasn't drastic changes in immigration over the past 40 years? Hmm.

What a great plan, let anyone in and just everyone try to out-baby each other and whatever happens, happens. Natural born culture gone? Oh well! Should have had more babies!

No thanks, we'll just close the border in instead and be just fine.

The non-whites who are citizens aren't going to leave. Whether you like it or not or think so or not, they are just as much americans are you are and they have the same rights as you do. Even if you magically closed the border tomorrow whites as a % of the population would still shrink and would eventually be the minority. But changing that is within your power... or should i say in your balls.

No one here i would think is suggesting mass immigration. I certainly am not. But it seems you're deeply concerned about whites becoming the minority. I'm simply stating that its up to you to make sure white women are filled with white babies.

As for leonard. Those rules were put in place by whites. Not only that but the candidate that was literally a socialist had a base that was overwhelmingly white. But it's easier to get mad at minorities.

Post: #74104

I am American of Turkish descent, and in the race section of my ID card it says ''caucasian''

Just to clarify even Lebanese,Turks,Persians and most Arabs are considered ''white'' according to the census bureau.

Post: #74105

(01-22-2018 08:55 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:40 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:16 AM)godzilla Wrote:  White east Asians

What is a White East Asian? Is that like one of those "White Hispanics"?

Quote:But the difference here is, too many fat white guys would probably never have sex without them.

I guess you dont like factual evidence about the way people vote in this country

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847...lls-showed

What are you talking about dude? On just the last page I made long post pointing very clearly that it is only white people who are voting right as a majority, no other demographic is.

Post: #74106

(01-22-2018 09:05 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:55 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:40 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:16 AM)godzilla Wrote:  White east Asians

What is a White East Asian? Is that like one of those "White Hispanics"?

Quote:But the difference here is, too many fat white guys would probably never have sex without them.

I guess you dont like factual evidence about the way people vote in this country

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847...lls-showed

What are you talking about dude? On just the last page I made long post pointing very clearly that it is only white people who are voting right as a majority, no other demographic is.

Re read the post I responded too. Youre skimming.

Post: #74107

Quote:Not only that but the candidate that was literally a socialist had a base that was overwhelmingly white. But it's easier to get mad at minorities.

It has already been shown that the majority of whites are not voting left, and every single minority group, regardless of breakdown, votes left by an overwhelming margin. What more needs to be explained?

Of course it is specifically white leftists in power who are putting these policies into place- they are the leftist group that has the wealth, intelligence, ability and desire to get elected. So yes it is mostly white people who you will hear standing at a podium spouting the garbage. That does not mean, obviously, that whites make up the majority of of leftists. Again this has already been shown.

Post: #74108

I love this narrative. This is just great persuasion.
If the shutdown continues, Trump will grind the Democrats into dust.


Scott agrees:

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Post: #74109

(01-22-2018 09:23 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Quote:Not only that but the candidate that was literally a socialist had a base that was overwhelmingly white. But it's easier to get mad at minorities.

It has already been shown that the majority of whites are not voting left, and every single minority group, regardless of breakdown, votes left by an overwhelming margin. What more needs to be explained?

Of course it is specifically white leftists in power who are putting these policies into place- they are the leftist group that has the wealth, intelligence, ability and desire to get elected. So yes it is mostly white people who you will hear standing at a podium spouting the garbage. That does not mean, obviously, that whites make up the majority of of leftists. Again this has already been shown.

All minorities combined still made up 30% of voting. So even if 100% of minorities voted blue, whites would still have all the voting power. As i said it's easier to blame others than to fix your own house.

Post: #74110

(01-22-2018 09:28 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

Someone please give the man more nuclear buttons!

Post: #74111

Whoaaaaa... guys... can't we all just get along?

All I was doing was commenting on DACA and also that honorably discharged veterans should have priority over illegal immigrants. I also do not want ILLEGAL immigration. My parents waited in line and got vetted while others got in. After all this, somehow, somebody tried projecting that sneakily as me advocating for mass immigration of Indians and henceforth, that advocation coming from my CRYSTAL CLEAR profile on this forum as an IRT, because my forum profile says "Indian." On top of all this, I lose a rep point because someone that repped me deleted their rep all of a sudden. Come on man, I love my rep points!

It's happened before where some guys just can't help themselves and force guys of another ethnicity in the corner having to defend their entire race. Another forum member and I had a scuffle in another thread. We then PM'd and decided to move forward as men. As a matter of fact, he even mentioned that while he takes offense on behalf of his race, his race is what pisses him off the most. I feel the exact same way.

I do not want this country to mass immigrate Indians just because I'm also Indian. It's been portrayed as such on many threads by try hard posters. That's worse for me than better. Why? Because I came from India and the reason my parents left it (not my choice) was because the infrastructure and opportunities are shitty there. Its also got certain people that are classless. Do I want those same classless people coming here? Fuck no. Will I take some of the few who are responsible and will assimilate like my family and friends? Yes, but only if this country doesn't turn into India, because, AGAIN, that's not what I want. If a pseudo-American is what I am, even after serving this country, then so be it. I'll take that rather than painted as an IRT which I'm not.

I also don't think anyone on the forum needs to convince the rest of the forum or us that white guys get the short end of the stick. If I was in India, and a bunch of white people came in trying to advocate their culture, I would be mad too (as it happened so with British colonialization). However, I don't think people realize that guys like me and doc are not the enemy. We have less in common with our ilk and more in common with your average white liberal or conservative, including a large amount of forum members, and I'm talking culturally, not philosophically. Suggesting otherwise is utter bullshit of epic proportions. I mean doc is more American than I am. Also, living in another country as an expat for part of the year is not the same as growing up in that country and absorbing its culture, eventually making it your own. I have close friends that are white. We laugh at the same exact jokes and when we were being degenerates in a liberty port back in the day, it was the utter same degeneracy. Not to mention, every single forum meetup I've been on, I've gotten along with many guys and made friends that are white. I don't see them any differently because of their race and I hope they don't either. This is not insignificant. As a matter of fact, it's culturally significant.

It's not a secret that most of my ethnicity vote left. Why they vote left is another debate. However, the few guys here in the group that don't fit into that, while statistically irrelevant, don't need to be projected as the rest of the group when all we have in common is the skin color and a few cultural similarities. Taking a broad brush and painting it across an entire ethnicity or group to prove a point and justify a concept isn't cool. Specifically, painting a bunch of brown guys on the forum as IRTs when all they're trying to do is contributing just like others is not a statement, but rather just comes across try hard at best and autistic screeching at its worst. I'd rather we just get along.

Edit: I completely agree there needs to be a course correction on immigration policy. When illegal and legal immigrants come into this country and take advantage of its resources, it's not good for anyone. I don't think everyone should get to come; I would have never wanted that, but if they are given access, I think every single able bodied person should serve in the military unless they bring in a skill and prove themselves.

Post: #74112

Delete- dupe

Post: #74113

(01-22-2018 08:59 AM)zigZag Wrote:  ...
As for leonard. Those rules were put in place by whites. Not only that but the candidate that was literally a socialist had a base that was overwhelmingly white. But it's easier to get mad at minorities.

You're absolutely right. And whites will inevitably correct their mistake.

You're also right that it's pointless to get mad at those non-whites. Whites don't need to get mad. They need to get smart and stop sacrificing themselves for the benefit of everyone else, particularly their so called (((greatest ally))).

Socialism is not the issue. Most people would give the same, honest answer regarding whether they'd prefer to live in Seattle or Detroit. Both are socialist from top to bottom. Both have vastly different outcomes and the reason for that is becoming painfully clear. So no. This is not a question even of political affiliations. Japan's personal tax rate is, what, 50% or more? We might argue that Japan would be even better off than they are now under capitalism but nobody is going to argue that if Somalia dropped their taxes to zero that it would become an economic powerhouse of prosperity.

So, yeah. You're absolutely correct. There is no point in blaming other races for on average being parasites. There is no point in blaming other races for on average being more violent or destructive. It is what it is.

But there is also no obligation for whites to prop up the existing fuckfest at their own expense into perpetuity or until their backs break and they can't retain order.

Which is why the idea of white separatism is so terrifying and offensive to non-whites. Because how are you going to tell whites "we're going to force you to stay and pay for our shit"?



You can't.

FYI, this is America after conservatives whites stop paying their white-man's-burden federal taxes.



And this is all that will be left to those bitter, pasty losers.



I wonder what they could do with another 200 years or so?

Quote:When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

America.

Post: #74114

(01-22-2018 10:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  But there is also no obligation for whites to prop up the existing fuckfest at their own expense into perpetuity or until their backs break and they can't retain order.

Absolutely no obligation. I think liberalism's pangs have gotten deeper than they should and the remaining gap left by conservative whites are filled by liberal non-whites as already evidenced by some of the maps/charts in this thread.

My question has always been, how much of this is cultural degeneracy is exclusive of immigration and how much of it is due to immigration. It's hard for me to side with either at this point after seeing some of the more logical posts but neither side has been able to answer it clearly enough without getting emotional (including myself).

I do know on thing, however. If the liberal degeneracy internally can stop, the eradication of irresponsible immigration will surely follow. Otherwise, conservatives in the country, white and non-white, have a problem on their hand with immigrants leaching resources that they could otherwise have for themselves.

Post: #74115

It's very late here. Let me explain what you're missing here as quickly as possible.

Conservative migrant: We need to reach non-conservative migrants in order to keep this country barely struggling along.

Conservative white: You want me to beg minorities not to destroy my beloved country? Would you like me to fit in that grovelling before or after my full time job and family obligations? Am I going to need to learn spanish? What's the Indian word for "please"?

Are you beginning to understand how ridiculously galling this nonsense has become for not only conservative white Americans but EVERY conservative white of a white western nation?

The proposition is simple. At some point immigrants and non-white births will reduce the standard of living and raise taxes to the point that whites will no longer be able to tolerate the degradation. At that point they will do something. At best it will be a peaceful exit. At worst? Use your imagination.

The onus is not on whites to put in even more effort. The onus is on non-whites to get their shit together, not that any of us are holding their breath on that. The globohomo regime and the parasite class are betting that whites in America and elsewhere will suffer anything if it means keeping their national flags.

They are wrong.

Post: #74116

Meathead

Post: #74117

Post: #74118

(01-22-2018 02:38 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  Wutang, Doc holliday, etc-

I don't think anyone is debating whether or not there exists right leaning minorities, clearly the multiple Indians and other races in this thread and on the forum show that they exist. But the fact is, those dudes are an extreme minority among their ethnic peers, to the point of statistical irrelevance.

The point is this: All the talk by our right-leaning non-white members about White Leftists being the most dangerous or real "problem" is just simply not borne out by facts. The whites who support all the SJW policies are a minority among whites as a whole. Even white women who support SJW policies are a minority among white women as a whole.

Think about that- even with all the pussy hats and liberal colleges and #metoo and insane levels media propaganda there is apparently something inherent in White Americans - including even the women - that causes the majority of them to reject the SJW beliefs and the socialist, leftist policies. Yet, despite this incredible fact, some are arguing that a minority segment of Whites are the real problem, and that Indians or whoever should just be given a chance because about <5% of them are conservative and the rest will surely come around... It makes no sense.

Brooklyn hipsters, soyboys, pussy hats etc would have no power at all in this country were it not for non-whites wholly and completely buying into it all, because those whites are a minority among their racial group.

Again, the electoral map by race posted a few pages ago:



No matter the category of White people, T wins every time. Rich, poor, men, women, educated, not educated.

White Women: Clinton 211, Trump: 327
White People: Clinton 169, Trump: 369
People of Colour: Clinton 538, Trump: 0

So even if just white women voted, Trump would still win in a blowout.

Again, if only Beckys voted this country would be far more conservative than if only IRT men voted, for example.

That is astounding, and hopefully helps some of our minority friends understand some of the points being made regarding race. I hope no one is taking these points personally or as an attack on individual dudes here, these are simply facts that can't be ignored.

I think it goes without saying that we all appreciate our like minded brothers here even if discussions can get heated.

Don't have a ton of time to expound upon this right now but I will say that indeed white leftists are the biggest problem. Even though they may be smaller in number, their number is still quite significant and most importantly, the most powerful and thus most dangerous leftists are overwhelmingly white, i.e. the politicians, the media, the large corporations, college professors, hollywood etc. They are trying to subvert and ultimately destroy the very white culture that they themselves grew up in and they have been succeeding. So sure you can show the maps until your blue in the face and they surely don't lie when it comes to minority political leanings but the maps do not show which race all the leftist power brokers overwhelmingly belong to.

Agreed about appreciating each other's view points and let the discussions get heated, big deal. We're all men here.

Post: #74119

(01-22-2018 09:58 AM)Cobra Wrote:  Whoaaaaa... guys... can't we all just get along?
...

It's happened before where some guys just can't help themselves and force guys of another ethnicity in the corner having to defend their entire race. Another forum member and I had a scuffle in another thread. We then PM'd and decided to move forward as men. As a matter of fact, he even mentioned that while he takes offense on behalf of his race, his race is what pisses him off the most. I feel the exact same way.

I do not want this country to mass immigrate Indians just because I'm also Indian. It's been portrayed as such on many threads by try hard posters. That's worse for me than better. Why? Because I came from India and the reason my parents left it (not my choice) was because the infrastructure and opportunities are shitty there. Its also got certain people that are classless. Do I want those same classless people coming here? Fuck no. Will I take some of the few who are responsible and will assimilate like my family and friends? Yes, but only if this country doesn't turn into India, because, AGAIN, that's not what I want. If a pseudo-American is what I am, even after serving this country, then so be it. I'll take that rather than painted as an IRT which I'm not.

I also don't think anyone on the forum needs to convince the rest of the forum or us that white guys get the short end of the stick. If I was in India, and a bunch of white people came in trying to advocate their culture, I would be mad too (as it happened so with British colonialization). ....

Look - you are not the enemy and everyone should realize that. If men like you and the native Euro-people here would make the immigration rules, then we could easily come up with a system that retains the previous dominated White culture built by Christian Anglo-tribes in the US AND in addition comes up with a way to let in a few lucky few to enjoy the system.

That is the Japanese way - the White guys moving there are just happy that they can make a living there/ have sex with cute Japanese girls. They don't demand the shipment of 200 million Whites to Japan and that Christian churches need to be built on every corner.

Problem is - that is not how things are going currently.

Cobra - you mention the British colonialism - if you read Carroll Quigley's history books you would know that the same globalist group that was conquering it's way across India is now destroying the Western countries from within by promoting open borders, mass immigration, anti-White, anti-Western and anti-Christian bias. They manage by controlling media, politics and finance - they do it less via an external army like in India, but they do it nonetheless.

We know that you are not the enemy - the enemy is calling the shots anyway.

It's the same discussions I had with Red Pill libertarians - I disagree with some of their ideas vehemently despite being pro-free-market and small government. But I told them we could easily come to an agreement if we called the shots - even run test-phases in parts of the country.

We know how the test-phase of immigration went. Euro-centric Christian immigration to the US was going well until 1965. We also know how immigration for badly assimilable groups go in Europe. 2+ mio. Ukrainians moving to Europe in the last 2 years are not even noticable except for more Ukrainian bangs. 2+ mio. mostly Muslim men moving in resulted in 250.000+ crimes and rampant terrorism.

And as you noted - you don't want the US to become like Bombay just as Americans living in Japan don't want it to become Nebraska.

Post: #74120

HEY GUYS THIS IS THE DONALD TRUMP THREAD RIGHT?

Get back on topic.

Post: #74121

(01-22-2018 10:26 AM)Cobra Wrote:  Absolutely no obligation. I think liberalism's pangs have gotten deeper than they should and the remaining gap left by conservative whites are filled by liberal non-whites as already evidenced by some of the maps/charts in this thread.

My question has always been, how much of this is cultural degeneracy is exclusive of immigration and how much of it is due to immigration. It's hard for me to side with either at this point after seeing some of the more logical posts but neither side has been able to answer it clearly enough without getting emotional (including myself).

I do know on thing, however. If the liberal degeneracy internally can stop, the eradication of irresponsible immigration will surely follow. Otherwise, conservatives in the country, white and non-white, have a problem on their hand with immigrants leaching resources that they could otherwise have for themselves.

The liberal degeneration is not due to immigration. The globalist machine or Deep State as some here call it are responsible for that.

Highly different mass immigration - especially disruptive immigration as they are not opening the borders to Russians or Ukrainians, but do so gladly to Somalis - that is designed to weaken the social cohesion of the White nation states and destroy and resistance to a future One world Order. So essentially the non-White non-Euro immigration is a means to an end - weaponized immigration. They know that many will vote for Big Government as many 80-IQ newcomers won't be able to compete in the modern economy. They also know many non-Whites will tap into the anti-White anti-Western spirit as for example many Indian women do in the US. Of course you have many many liberal SJW Whites, because they are indoctrinated by this propaganda 24/7 and their still relevant Christian altruism makes them believe the stupid crap.

So in short - don't blame the White SJWs morons on the bottom, don't even blame the non-White immigrants - we can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the ruling elite which willingly wants to destroy all White nation states.

And to get back on the Donald track - his election was a reaction of Whites to all this bullshit. So far things are getting done, the wall seems to be built, immigration is slightly down, deportations are up, shitlibs are in constant depression. At the very least it is a breathe of relief in the globalist plans. I hope Donald Trump wins the next term and continues forward the same way or better.

Post: #74122

(01-22-2018 08:38 AM)zigZag Wrote:  Immigration isn't the reason demographics in this country are changing. The simple fact is that white birth rate is not even at replacement level. Maybe instead of complaining about non-white immigration... all the white guys here would find a white girl and start a family and have 4 or 5 or even more white kids. But that would be hard.

I very much agree with this. The non-white people are going to come, but the main issue is that these immigrant groups are having babies at a far greater rate than native whites. If the birthrate among whites and immigrants stayed the same, it wouldn't be an issue because whites will still be the overwhelming majority. But since whites aren't having babies, then that's why you see the dramatic demographic shift.

The reason why you see whites not having babies is because of a culture shift of women in the west from being housewives to all of a sudden going to college and "planning" their own destiny and having kids at a much later age, using birth-control, etc... (planned parenthood) and all that stuff.

Also another thing I notice is that white men as a whole are more beta than minority men. You're more likely to see white men be beta-orbiters and white knights than Hispanics and Blacks. (Don't get me wrong, I know some beta Blacks and Latinos as well) but I usually see minorities (Black, Hispanic dudes) always looking at girls asses when they pass by. White guys, not so much. Either their balls were taken from them or they aren't all that interested in asses or horny. I don't know.

If the majority of the guys in the west are like the guys on Buzzfeed, then there is no future





^^^^Disgusting!!!!!

Post: #74123

(01-22-2018 10:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:59 AM)zigZag Wrote:  ...
As for leonard. Those rules were put in place by whites. Not only that but the candidate that was literally a socialist had a base that was overwhelmingly white. But it's easier to get mad at minorities.

You're absolutely right. And whites will inevitably correct their mistake.

You're also right that it's pointless to get mad at those non-whites. Whites don't need to get mad. They need to get smart and stop sacrificing themselves for the benefit of everyone else, particularly their so called (((greatest ally))).

Socialism is not the issue. Most people would give the same, honest answer regarding whether they'd prefer to live in Seattle or Detroit. Both are socialist from top to bottom. Both have vastly different outcomes and the reason for that is becoming painfully clear. So no. This is not a question even of political affiliations. Japan's personal tax rate is, what, 50% or more? We might argue that Japan would be even better off than they are now under capitalism but nobody is going to argue that if Somalia dropped their taxes to zero that it would become an economic powerhouse of prosperity.

So, yeah. You're absolutely correct. There is no point in blaming other races for on average being parasites. There is no point in blaming other races for on average being more violent or destructive. It is what it is.

But there is also no obligation for whites to prop up the existing fuckfest at their own expense into perpetuity or until their backs break and they can't retain order.

Which is why the idea of white separatism is so terrifying and offensive to non-whites. Because how are you going to tell whites "we're going to force you to stay and pay for our shit"?



You can't.

FYI, this is America after conservatives whites stop paying their white-man's-burden federal taxes.



And this is all that will be left to those bitter, pasty losers.



I wonder what they could do with another 200 years or so?

Quote:When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

America.

You just noted that whites need to get smart and stop sacrificing themselves for the benefit of others... Then the next line you say socialism isn't bad. Sacrificing yourself for the benefit of others is EXACTLY what socialism is.

Japan has fundamental issues that will cause massive problems in the near future. Look at the historic GDP per capita of japan compared to the gdp per capita of america and you'll see what i mean. This is all before the demographic implosion that's about to happy.

What you're suggesting honestly sounds the same as when left wingers and feminists proclaim the end of cis white men. The idea of white seperatism isn't scary... it's just delusional and basically reaks of the thinking of a child. The people who suggest it are in the overwhelming minority. Basically i'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that there are more green haired pansexual veloceraptorcopter gender nonbinary queers than there are "white seperationists".

But you fundamentally misunderstand me. My point is quite simple. Demographics are gonna change to less white whether or not we have immigration or not. Even if we had 0 immigration the trend wouldnt stop. I don't make any good or bad judgements on that it's just how it is.

my 2nd point is that if you really care about the white race. Start a family with a white girl. Have a few kids. Anything else is just meaningless complaining. How many of the richard spensor blood and soil guys have kids? The future belongs to those who have children. Life is really that simple.

And what should scare you more though is that if you dig deep into the demographic voting trends. 18- 44 year olds voted for clinton by a WIDE margin. It's only when you start getting to much older people that you see trump getting an edge. Anyway you cut it... the demographic change is coming and it cannot be stopped. Only thing to do is adjust and prepare to take advantage of it.

Post: #74124

(01-22-2018 11:16 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:58 AM)Cobra Wrote:  Whoaaaaa... guys... can't we all just get along?
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It's happened before where some guys just can't help themselves and force guys of another ethnicity in the corner having to defend their entire race. Another forum member and I had a scuffle in another thread. We then PM'd and decided to move forward as men. As a matter of fact, he even mentioned that while he takes offense on behalf of his race, his race is what pisses him off the most. I feel the exact same way.

I do not want this country to mass immigrate Indians just because I'm also Indian. It's been portrayed as such on many threads by try hard posters. That's worse for me than better. Why? Because I came from India and the reason my parents left it (not my choice) was because the infrastructure and opportunities are shitty there. Its also got certain people that are classless. Do I want those same classless people coming here? Fuck no. Will I take some of the few who are responsible and will assimilate like my family and friends? Yes, but only if this country doesn't turn into India, because, AGAIN, that's not what I want. If a pseudo-American is what I am, even after serving this country, then so be it. I'll take that rather than painted as an IRT which I'm not.

I also don't think anyone on the forum needs to convince the rest of the forum or us that white guys get the short end of the stick. If I was in India, and a bunch of white people came in trying to advocate their culture, I would be mad too (as it happened so with British colonialization). ....

Look - you are not the enemy and everyone should realize that. If men like you and the native Euro-people here would make the immigration rules, then we could easily come up with a system that retains the previous dominated White culture built by Christian Anglo-tribes in the US AND in addition comes up with a way to let in a few lucky few to enjoy the system.

That is the Japanese way - the White guys moving there are just happy that they can make a living there/ have sex with cute Japanese girls. They don't demand the shipment of 200 million Whites to Japan and that Christian churches need to be built on every corner.

Problem is - that is not how things are going currently.

Cobra - you mention the British colonialism - if you read Carroll Quigley's history books you would know that the same globalist group that was conquering it's way across India is now destroying the Western countries from within by promoting open borders, mass immigration, anti-White, anti-Western and anti-Christian bias. They manage by controlling media, politics and finance - they do it less via an external army like in India, but they do it nonetheless.

We know that you are not the enemy - the enemy is calling the shots anyway.

It's the same discussions I had with Red Pill libertarians - I disagree with some of their ideas vehemently despite being pro-free-market and small government. But I told them we could easily come to an agreement if we called the shots - even run test-phases in parts of the country.

We know how the test-phase of immigration went. Euro-centric Christian immigration to the US was going well until 1965. We also know how immigration for badly assimilable groups go in Europe. 2+ mio. Ukrainians moving to Europe in the last 2 years are not even noticable except for more Ukrainian bangs. 2+ mio. mostly Muslim men moving in resulted in 250.000+ crimes and rampant terrorism.

And as you noted - you don't want the US to become like Bombay just as Americans living in Japan don't want it to become Nebraska.

This is a good post but i also cant think of any examples when a large group of people came from another country of a nother race and fully assimilated. The whites in Japan are far too small. Theyre also all intermarried with Japanese.

Whites in South Africa are European and speak a dutch Lang.

Mexicans speak spanish in America.

Blacks have been in America for 400 years + and still are not assimilated..

Chinese still form ethnic enclaves in Kuala Lumpur.

Even among whites. Lots of EE people still live in there own ethnic communities in Europe such as the polish in Britain.

New york city still has large ethnic enclaves of Italians and Russians. Boston has the Irish enclaves still. Puerto Ricans dominate Latin enclaves in rural PA

Lets be honest most people of different cultures just don't really want to live with each other and rather preserve their own culture then assimlllate. This is human nature.

I myself of mostly European decent but mixed and many other forum members from different races are exceptions to the rule.

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(01-22-2018 11:47 AM)Pancho Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:38 AM)zigZag Wrote:  Immigration isn't the reason demographics in this country are changing. The simple fact is that white birth rate is not even at replacement level. Maybe instead of complaining about non-white immigration... all the white guys here would find a white girl and start a family and have 4 or 5 or even more white kids. But that would be hard.

I very much agree with this. The non-white people are going to come, but the main issue is that these immigrant groups are having babies at a far greater rate than native whites. If the birthrate among whites and immigrants stayed the same, it wouldn't be an issue because whites will still be the overwhelming majority. But since whites aren't having babies, then that's why you see the dramatic demographic shift.

The reason why you see whites not having babies is because of a culture shift of women in the west from being housewives to all of a sudden going to college and "planning" their own destiny and having kids at a much later age, using birth-control, etc... (planned parenthood) and all that stuff.

Also another thing I notice is that white men as a whole are more beta than minority men. You're more likely to see white men be beta-orbiters and white knights than Hispanics and Blacks. (Don't get me wrong, I know some beta Blacks and Latinos as well) but I usually see minorities (Black, Hispanic dudes) always looking at girls asses when they pass by. White guys, not so much. Either their balls were taken from them or they aren't all that interested in asses or horny. I don't know.

If the majority of the guys in the west are like the guys on Buzzfeed, then there is no future





^^^^Disgusting!!!!!

My point is that i'm generally against groupthink. Fundamentally if you're into seeing people as groups by race then IMHO you're no different than leftists who do the same exact thing.

Broader though the issue for me is that once you start seeing in group terms or you start seeing yourself in group terms then you're only as strong or weak as the group. You stop being a person yourself. Most importantly though is that you are beholding to the behaviors of other people. Unless you do some simone biles level mental gymnastics.

That's why my point is that all the people who are concerned about the demographic shift should go and have kids. That's all you can do ultimately. You can't force another white guy to have kids if he doesnt want to. You can't change his behavior.. only yours. It's ultimately a waste of time to try spend your mental energy on the behaviors of other people. You have one life to live so no reason to waste it on that.

Another point about culture is that i was watching a documentary on the start of the roman empire with augustus. You know what i saw? The dude banished his daughter cause she was known around town as a hoe. So the whole degeneracy thing isn't something new. It's ultimately part of the reality of the world and being human. There are ebbs and flows and you can't really control it.