Post: #74126

(01-22-2018 11:51 AM)godzilla Wrote:  This is a good post but i also cant think of any examples when a large group of people came from another country of a nother race and fully assimilated. The whites in Japan are far too small. Theyre also all intermarried with Japanese.

Whites in South Africa are European and speak a dutch Lang.

Mexicans speak spanish in America.

Blacks have been in America for 400 years + and still are not assimilated..

Chinese still form ethnic enclaves in Kuala Lumpur.

Even among whites. Lots of EE people still live in there own ethnic communities in Europe such as the polish in Britain.

New york city still has large ethnic enclaves of Italians and Russians. Boston has the Irish enclaves still. Puerto Ricans dominate Latin enclaves in rural PA

Lets be honest most people of different cultures just don't really want to live with each other and rather preserve their own culture then assimlllate. This is human nature.

I myself of mostly European decent but mixed and many other forum members from different races are exceptions to the rule.

EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.
The same goes for Italians, Russians and Irish who came to the US from 1850-1960s - most of the enclaves remain, because the folk stayed there as their ancestors settled. They consider themselves American first with some different heritage, they intermarry with anyone else, they move if jobs are there and they are equally Christian and similar to the rest.

The other examples you mentioned - yes - those groups are so utterly different like the Dutch in Africa or the Chinese in SEA, that they are apart after centuries not even intermarrying much or having much in common with the other locals even after many generations.



Here you have a good overview - millions of 95%+ Europeans entered the US mostly from 1850s-1965.

The biggest groups were Germans, Russians and Italians. Those groups had more than 10 mio. each moving in. Where are their massive enclaves? There should be entire states of Italians, Russians and Germans out there. There are a few streets at best - all of them having not much in common with their ancestral homelands. And they don't need government handouts as they can compete with the original Anglo-saxon settlers.

http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

The immigration from 1965 onward is highly different.

Post: #74127

Ted Cruz is so much more likeable these days.

Post: #74128

(01-22-2018 11:49 AM)zigZag Wrote:  What you're suggesting honestly sounds the same as when left wingers and feminists proclaim the end of cis white men. The idea of white seperatism isn't scary... it's just delusional and basically reaks of the thinking of a child. The people who suggest it are in the overwhelming minority. Basically i'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that there are more green haired pansexual veloceraptorcopter gender nonbinary queers than there are "white seperationists".

Good post. And it gets to what I've been saying (on this forum and off) for the last year: Identity politics, whether on the left or right, is cancer. Post-modern, Marxist, feminist left-wing "Let's coddle the poor minorities" Idpol is just as much ass cancer as is Alt-right, /pol/, reactionary white nationalism.

Also

Quote:green haired pansexual veloceraptorcopter gender nonbinary queers

Post: #74129

The BBC are reporting the Democrats and Republicans have agreed on a temporary deal to halt the shutdown, no details at the moment though.

Post: #74130

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 11:51 AM)godzilla Wrote:  This is a good post but i also cant think of any examples when a large group of people came from another country of a nother race and fully assimilated. The whites in Japan are far too small. Theyre also all intermarried with Japanese.

Whites in South Africa are European and speak a dutch Lang.

Mexicans speak spanish in America.

Blacks have been in America for 400 years + and still are not assimilated..

Chinese still form ethnic enclaves in Kuala Lumpur.

Even among whites. Lots of EE people still live in there own ethnic communities in Europe such as the polish in Britain.

New york city still has large ethnic enclaves of Italians and Russians. Boston has the Irish enclaves still. Puerto Ricans dominate Latin enclaves in rural PA

Lets be honest most people of different cultures just don't really want to live with each other and rather preserve their own culture then assimlllate. This is human nature.

I myself of mostly European decent but mixed and many other forum members from different races are exceptions to the rule.

EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.
The same goes for Italians, Russians and Irish who came to the US from 1850-1960s - most of the enclaves remain, because the folk stayed there as their ancestors settled. They consider themselves American first with some different heritage, they intermarry with anyone else, they move if jobs are there and they are equally Christian and similar to the rest.

The other examples you mentioned - yes - those groups are so utterly different like the Dutch in Africa or the Chinese in SEA, that they are apart after centuries not even intermarrying much or having much in common with the other locals even after many generations.



Here you have a good overview - millions of 95%+ Europeans entered the US mostly from 1850s-1965.

The biggest groups were Germans, Russians and Italians. Those groups had more than 10 mio. each moving in. Where are their massive enclaves? There should be entire states of Italians, Russians and Germans out there. There are a few streets at best - all of them having not much in common with their ancestral homelands. And they don't need government handouts as they can compete with the original Anglo-saxon settlers.

http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

The immigration from 1965 onward is highly different.

There was plenty of reports of Polish hate after Brexit. I'm not an expert in Britain though so Ill move on....

Btw. Staten Island is still like 50% percent Italian. Thats more then a few blocks. Parts of Delaware Co Pa are almost 50% Irish. Utah is almost English. The South is all Scots Irish/Scottish and English settlers. Brighton in Brooklyn is almost entirely Russian Ukraine. I can even mention the Amish and Mennonites and Jews who have virtually never married with other whites.

I wasn't arguing that people didnt assimilate at all. But there are still large ethnic enclaves despite 150 years of assimilation. Who knows what the immigrants of today will be like 150 years from now.

Post: #74131

Sumanguru Wrote:Good post. And it gets to what I've been saying (on this forum and off) for the last year: Identity politics, whether on the left or right, is cancer. Post-modern, Marxist, feminist left-wing "Let's coddle the poor minorities" Idpol is just as much ass cancer as is Alt-right, /pol/, reactionary white nationalism.

Not true. Under the Alt-right, you'll get at least two countries (America and England) which will become maximally productive, in a way that benefits the entire world. But under left wing identity politics, those two nations are reduced in productivity to appease non-Whites.

Post: #74132

(01-22-2018 01:06 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Sumanguru Wrote:Good post. And it gets to what I've been saying (on this forum and off) for the last year: Identity politics, whether on the left or right, is cancer. Post-modern, Marxist, feminist left-wing "Let's coddle the poor minorities" Idpol is just as much ass cancer as is Alt-right, /pol/, reactionary white nationalism.

Not true. Under the Alt-right, you'll get at least two countries (America and England) which will become maximally productive, in a way that benefits the entire world. But under left wing identity politics, those two nations are reduced in productivity to appease non-Whites.

The alt-right? You mean the guys who couldn't even keep a shitty Neonazi website up while being faced with DDosing? The same guys that bitch about facebook and twitter yet can't create a viable alternative themselves? The same guys that bitch about white genocide while having 0 kids themselves? They will make a nation productive?

Post: #74133

(01-22-2018 08:55 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:40 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:16 AM)godzilla Wrote:  White east Asians

What is a White East Asian? Is that like one of those "White Hispanics"?

Quote:But the difference here is, too many fat white guys would probably never have sex without them.

I guess you dont like factual evidence about the way people vote in this country

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847...lls-showed

Show me an White East Asian on this board saying East Asians are better than natives and should be replacing natives and you’ll see all the same posters with the same replies. No one has said that however. Telling everyone the reason they haven’t mentioned it out of the blue (which would be completely out of context) because they could only get laid wih east asians is weak as fuck.

Anecdote: I was in NYC a couple years ago visiting friends. More than a few times I looked around and said “I could live here”.

I thought to myself “I would have made a really good New Yorker”.

I had that feeling in Texas also “I’d make one hell of a Texan”.

But if I moved to those places I would never be either no matter how long I lived there or adapted my way of speaking to assume an accent.

I’d be from the southeast, and no Native from either place would ever consider me to be a New Yorker or Texan.

You can come here and get a piece of paper that says citizen and if you observe our laws and traditions and pursue your happiness in accordance with the American dream then great, but you are not and American in your being. Your kids may possibly be, but you are not the same way I’m not a Texan or New Yorker.

This is fundamentally why ethnic groups want to bring in more of their own. They sense this and instinctively want to change the culture enough to belong. They instinctuvely want to change the country through demographics.

Post: #74134

The non-whites are obviously going to be in favor of non-white immigration and the crypto-leftists like zigzag are going to be spouting leftist talking points. Hold the presses Let's get back on topic here.

Looks like the government shutdown has ended for now. It remains to be seen whether this is good news and reflects the democrats caving to the terrible optics, or instead we've been sold out by the cucks who have promised the dems a sellout deal in exchange for passage of a temporary spending bill.

The big picture is that there are 2 competing bills out there. One of them is the disastrous Grahamnesty-Flake-Durbin "bipartisan" proposal that is unimaginably bad and creates an amnesty for up to 10 million illegals for nothing in exchange, and then there is the House bill that I could actually support, and I'm as fanatical about immigration as they come. The democrats will never agree to the latter as it takes a massive hatchet to legal immigration and they will lose far more immigrants if it passes then they gain in DACA illegals.

The weeks ahead are going to be critical. We could end up with a greatly improved immigration system, or with a disastrous amnesty shoved down our throats in exchange for purely symbolic border security funding. I'm hoping for the best, but why the fuck are the two biggest open-borders fags in the Republican party, Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake (who is not even running in 2018!) taking point on this? Those pieces of shit are just as bad on immigration as the Democrats, there is no possibility of a favorable outcome if they're representing us during negotiations.

Post: #74135

Dupe

Post: #74136

The last few pages have been a pretty interesting turn of opinions.

It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

If someone wants to try and kick me out, I've got news for you, you've got a fight incoming, I'd rather die here than be forcefully moved to another.

One other thing - to the white conservatives saying their liberal counterparts will side with them.

They want you silenced, jailed, or dead - you know that right ?

Nothing would bring them more joy, they're more of a threat to you than you know.

Post: #74137

(01-22-2018 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The last few pages have been a pretty interesting turn of opinions.

It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

One other thing - to the white conservatives saying their liberal counterparts will side with them.

They want you silenced, jailed, or dead - you know that right ?

Nothing would bring them more joy, they're more of a threat to you than you know.

I'm kind of in the same boat. I'm not white but was born and raised in a WASP town. I've never known a language other than English or any other culture. My family contributes to the economy, helps create jobs, and has totally assimilated into the culture.

I lean towards the dissident right position on most things because the left has totally abandoned both biology and the founding the principles of the nation. Biology obviously plays a large role in group outcomes, but the dissident right has veered too far to attributing everything to biology.

All of those European immigrants who came here pre-1965 assimilated but its not only because they're white; those same groups spent centuries battling for sovereignty with each other in Europe. It's also because they immigrated to a country that aggressively promoted assimilation as a high cultural value. We stopped doing that in recent decades, but that doesn't mean that no minority immigrants can be of value to a version of America with a less broken political, media, and educational system.

I think a healthy immigration policy has to have a few characteristics:
1) High IQ/economically productive immigrants who can demonstrably contribute to the nation in an empirically measurable way only
2) High cultural value of assimilation encouraged through legislation, education, and media. Right now we actively discourage assimilation.
3) Limited numbers and slow speed of immigration to allow each set of immigrants time to fully assimilate. You get a problem when you have immigration in such mass numbers and rapid speeds that immigrants can just ghettoize and aren't forced to assimilate.

You certainly can't have birthright citizenship, and you certainly have to control the flow of people over the southern border. A couple of the problems with hispanic immigration is that because people can just walk over, we're getting a lot of low IQ/low skill people, they all speak the same language and so can easily ghettoize, and they are not forced to assimilate.

I think immigration should serve the receiving nation before the immigrants. I feel like that position was held to be self evident until 1965 immigration act.

But with the right immigration and social policy in place, I obviously think its possible to have successful immigration stories with complete assimilation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like my family is one such example, Kaotic's sounds similar, and many people I've encountered in my life would be in the same boat. Productive, well assimilated, patriotic people who would die for their countries.

Post: #74138

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.

What in the ...?

This is so untrue it makes me angry.

How much time have you spent in the UK Zel?

In about 10-20 years a town I lived in, Colchester, turned into Polechester. Now you see Polish shops all over every major town and city in the UK. Eastern European communities everywhere. Polish builders undercutting British ones. Gangs of Romanian thieves in London.

I'm not making that shit up. Just come to England and have a look around.

Don't tell us that shitloads of eastern europeans coming here are going to assimilate because they're white and that their communities don't even exist! They're not assimilating, there's loads that barely speak English and they DO have their own communities.

Slavs are very different in looks/attitude/morality to Brits. I don't care how racist that sounds. I don't care if they're white or not either. That's what I've noticed having spent a lot of time around them, I can spot them from across the street easily.

They're not sending their best folks, they're thieves and gangsters. There are some that come in and share a house with eight other people, getting paid below minimum wage, then sending that money back home. And some, I assume, are good people.

Even if they do eventually assimilate, as they did in the US, which will take at least 50 years, if we stopped all EE immigration now, which English people want that and why?

You think we want English people with names like Wojciech Nowakowski?

I would rather not have any more invasion of any foreign names into our language and culture, especially ones that I can hardly spell.

Sure loads of other white Europeans settled in your country and now you're all some unknown mix of Irish, German, Scandinavian, Eastern European with names from all over the place. You have simplified the spelling of English words and have a different pronounciation of English due to these foreigners coming in and butchering the English language.

However, England and the rest of the United Kingdom is not like the US at all, we're not a bland mix of various European cultures and definitely don't want to be that. So don't tell us they will assimilate as if it's all fine because it happened in the US.

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Edit: The conversation here about the pros and cons of a white ethnostate in the US is interesting but there should be another thread to discuss it. This is the Trump thread and that is not going to happen in the 8 years of Trump's presidency.

Although when you guys start that conversation, don't keep ignoring the elephant in the room, black and native american people, who have been in the US since the very beginning of it.

You can't just say minorities vote left, stop importing them, what are you going to do about the minorities that truly are American and have no allegiance to any other country? Do they get their own ethnostate too or are they also going to somehow be part of this European heritage America?
Doesn't that kind of undermine your ideas? If they're not welcome in the US, what part of the US do they get as their ethnostate? Georgia?

Post: #74139

(01-22-2018 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The last few pages have been a pretty interesting turn of opinions.

It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

If someone wants to try and kick me out, I've got news for you, you've got a fight incoming, I'd rather die here than be forcefully moved to another.

One other thing - to the white conservatives saying their liberal counterparts will side with them.

They want you silenced, jailed, or dead - you know that right ?

Nothing would bring them more joy, they're more of a threat to you than you know.

Kaotic, based on your posts, I would say you are as American as any American, including my family, that I have ever met.

Do remember, people are just giving their opinions which may be truth for them. It is hardly a universal truth.

Culture isn't some magical universal concept across all of America. People live vastly different when comparing New York to New Orleans or many cities in Texas.

You think many southerners would accept New Yorkers as their own?

You don't seem to have grown up in a isolated community that isolated you from America. Assimilation is key and it does take generations for families to become Americanized. It really depends on how fast the FOB generation assimilates their kids.

I think what rubbed people the wrong way was the idea that we needed to import more people of a particular ethnicity because there were supposedly more conservative. Too many of one ethnicity will lead to more isolated communities where assimilation isn't required. Why assimilate with Americans when you don't need too. Let's face it, it can be difficult to assimilate into a new culture with a new language. People are lazy and will do it only if necessary.

Post: #74140

(01-22-2018 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The last few pages have been a pretty interesting turn of opinions.

It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

If someone wants to try and kick me out, I've got news for you, you've got a fight incoming, I'd rather die here than be forcefully moved to another.

One other thing - to the white conservatives saying their liberal counterparts will side with them.

They want you silenced, jailed, or dead - you know that right ?

Nothing would bring them more joy, they're more of a threat to you than you know.

This is really the key question of whether civic nationalism can work, or whether nation states can ultimately only succeed under an ethno-nationalist framework in which everyone shares a common ethnicity and have genes in common. If you look back at history, when has a multiethnic country build around civic nationalism and assimilation been attempted and succeeded?

Post: #74141

(01-22-2018 01:52 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.

What in the ...?

This is so untrue it makes me angry.

We have EE enclaves in the US as well.

Doc can correct me, but I believe there is a big Polish enclave in Chicago. I do know there is a big Russian enclave in Brighton Beach. There is a Ukraine enclave in Michigan. I thought there was a decent EE enclave in Arizona as well.

Post: #74142

(01-22-2018 12:54 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 11:51 AM)godzilla Wrote:  This is a good post but i also cant think of any examples when a large group of people came from another country of a nother race and fully assimilated. The whites in Japan are far too small. Theyre also all intermarried with Japanese.

Whites in South Africa are European and speak a dutch Lang.

Mexicans speak spanish in America.

Blacks have been in America for 400 years + and still are not assimilated..

Chinese still form ethnic enclaves in Kuala Lumpur.

Even among whites. Lots of EE people still live in there own ethnic communities in Europe such as the polish in Britain.

New york city still has large ethnic enclaves of Italians and Russians. Boston has the Irish enclaves still. Puerto Ricans dominate Latin enclaves in rural PA

Lets be honest most people of different cultures just don't really want to live with each other and rather preserve their own culture then assimlllate. This is human nature.

I myself of mostly European decent but mixed and many other forum members from different races are exceptions to the rule.

EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.
The same goes for Italians, Russians and Irish who came to the US from 1850-1960s - most of the enclaves remain, because the folk stayed there as their ancestors settled. They consider themselves American first with some different heritage, they intermarry with anyone else, they move if jobs are there and they are equally Christian and similar to the rest.

The other examples you mentioned - yes - those groups are so utterly different like the Dutch in Africa or the Chinese in SEA, that they are apart after centuries not even intermarrying much or having much in common with the other locals even after many generations.



Here you have a good overview - millions of 95%+ Europeans entered the US mostly from 1850s-1965.

The biggest groups were Germans, Russians and Italians. Those groups had more than 10 mio. each moving in. Where are their massive enclaves? There should be entire states of Italians, Russians and Germans out there. There are a few streets at best - all of them having not much in common with their ancestral homelands. And they don't need government handouts as they can compete with the original Anglo-saxon settlers.

http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

The immigration from 1965 onward is highly different.

There was plenty of reports of Polish hate after Brexit. I'm not an expert in Britain though so Ill move on....

Btw. Staten Island is still like 50% percent Italian. Thats more then a few blocks. Parts of Delaware Co Pa are almost 50% Irish. Utah is almost English. The South is all Scots Irish/Scottish and English settlers. Brighton in Brooklyn is almost entirely Russian Ukraine. I can even mention the Amish and Mennonites and Jews who have virtually never married with other whites.

I wasn't arguing that people didnt assimilate at all. But there are still large ethnic enclaves despite 150 years of assimilation. Who knows what the immigrants of today will be like 150 years from now.

Another thing to point out about this is that immigrants of the past like the Irish, Italians, Polish, and German all created their own enclaves when they first came here as well. To say that Europeans don't create enclaves is innacurate.

When these European groups came they also stuck to their own and created enclaves. Where do you think Little Italy comes from? Overtime obviously they assimilated. It took more than 100 years for those groups to assimilate. But to say that these immigrants don't create enclaves is simply not true. Germans and Italians didn't come to America knowing English. It took them a while to assimilate also.

Hispanic immigrants are new immigrants. Its going to take a while for them to assimilate but will eventually. Their grand-kids aren't going to be speaking Spanish.

Post: #74143

(01-22-2018 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The last few pages have been a pretty interesting turn of opinions.

It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

If someone wants to try and kick me out, I've got news for you, you've got a fight incoming, I'd rather die here than be forcefully moved to another.

One other thing - to the white conservatives saying their liberal counterparts will side with them.

They want you silenced, jailed, or dead - you know that right ?

Nothing would bring them more joy, they're more of a threat to you than you know.

You are one of us. Where else do you want to go, become Muslim again and move to Pakistan? I guess that would be as alien to you as it would be for me to convert and move there.

It's not about individual cases - it's about the entire scale.

Just as with the case of even rare instances of black Vikings:



The Vikings will be fine with a few warriors joining their ranks - their children and grandchildren will be ever more white. But when millions or tens of millions come, then it's the extermination of the Vikings.

Post: #74144

(01-22-2018 01:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  It honestly makes me a feel a bit of a stranger in my homeland and on the forum.

You guys spoke about siding with your culture - what about those born here who don't have/embrace their own culture, and only knows America ?

Because that's all I've ever known - at this point I'm sure someone would point to me being what alludes to an anchor baby since I'm a first generation American. (Parents became citizens)

I don't know. I don't have a good answer, and I don't like that I don't have a good answer.

We've met a couple times, and I know you, sort-of. A decent argument can be made that you're more integrated into American culture than I am, since you're constantly out at parties, working and socializing with other Americans, and I most definitely am not. You know what's happening in the community to a degree that's just beyond me, since I spend most of my time working out or of the country altogether. (I remember you chatting a girl about the local fair during the meetup we had a year and a half ago. I didn't even know that there WAS a local fair.)

But remember that YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION. For every one fun-loving guy like you, there's 50 or more traditionalist Muslim immigrants who live the exact same lives they would back where they came from, except with a higher salary and better living conditions. I know you feel a real attachment to America. But they don't. It means nothing more to them than Tokyo does to me when I live there; it's just a place where you stay.

For what it's worth, I went off on cobra not because he's an immigrant, but because of his attitude that anybody who was worthy in his eyes should be allowed to become an American citizen, regardless of what it meant for the people who've lived here. It's poisonous, it's ungrateful, and if left unchecked it will utterly destroy the country.

Post: #74145

(01-22-2018 02:01 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:52 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.

What in the ...?

This is so untrue it makes me angry.

We have EE enclaves in the US as well.

Doc can correct me, but I believe there is a big Polish enclave in Chicago. I do know there is a big Russian enclave in Brighton Beach. There is a Ukraine enclave in Michigan. I thought there was a decent EE enclave in Arizona as well.

Yes.

They even hold Catholic church mass in Polish. On the north side there is a big church where Polish neighborhoods and Hispanic neighborhoods meet and the church holds Sunday mass in English, Spanish for Hispanics and Polish for Polish people.

Post: #74146

(01-22-2018 01:52 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  EE enclaves in the West don't exist - the people you mention moved to Britain a few years ago - they will assimilate into Britain almost fully.

What in the ...?

This is so untrue it makes me angry.

How much time have you spent in the UK Zel?

In about 10-20 years a town I lived in, Colchester, turned into Polechester. Now you see Polish shops all over every major town and city in the UK. Eastern European communities everywhere. Polish builders undercutting British ones. Gangs of Romanian thieves in London.

I'm not making that shit up. Just come to England and have a look around.

Don't tell us that shitloads of eastern europeans coming here are going to assimilate because they're white and that their communities don't even exist! They're not assimilating, there's loads that barely speak English and they DO have their own communities.

Slavs are very different in looks/attitude/morality to Brits. I don't care how racist that sounds. I don't care if they're white or not either. That's what I've noticed having spent a lot of time around them, I can spot them from across the street easily.

They're not sending their best folks, they're thieves and gangsters. There are some that come in and share a house with eight other people, getting paid below minimum wage, then sending that money back home. And some, I assume, are good people.

Even if they do eventually assimilate, as they did in the US, which will take at least 50 years, if we stopped all EE immigration now, which English people want that and why?

You think we want English people with names like Wojciech Nowakowski?

I would rather not have any more invasion of any foreign names into our language and culture, especially ones that I can hardly spell.

Sure loads of other white Europeans settled in your country and now you're all some unknown mix of Irish, German, Scandinavian, Eastern European with names from all over the place. You have simplified the spelling of English words and have a different pronounciation of English due to these foreigners coming in and butchering the English language.

However, England and the rest of the United Kingdom is not like the US at all, we're not a bland mix of various European cultures and definitely don't want that to be that at all. So don't tell us it's fine.

Not to dog pile on you Zel, but.....Chicago.....

RedPillUK - As a son of Polish immigrants that did not isolate into a community, I totally understand what you are saying. Friends from similar backgrounds but different countries say the same about many of their own. The problem with immigration as a whole needs to be addressed everywhere in the West. However, many Brits who are on the edge of blue pill/red pill and are upset about immigration are taking their anger out on Eastern Europeans because they're white and that's socially acceptable - when the far more pressing issue are the Muslims blowing themselves up. I'm sure you are aware of this, just sayin.

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edit - delete - moved it to PM - this is the Donald Trump thread.

No reason to mass-immigrate to it with other topics.

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Edit: Delete, offtopic moved post into Migrant Invasion of Europe thread.

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RedPillUK - noted. I'll believe boots on the ground like yourself over other sources that I hear.

Well to help get this thread back on track on a related note, looks like ICE is indeed cracking down. I had my doubts but I believe it now!

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/inde...r_aft.html

Quote:KALAMAZOO, MI -- After working a full week, Bronson HealthCare Dr. Lukasz R. Niec, M.D., had a day off. When Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents appeared at his door on the morning of Tuesday, Jan. 16, his plans changed.

Now, family, friends and colleagues are working to support his effort to stay in the United States, fearing deportation, as Niec waits in a jail cell.

Niec, 43, a doctor at Bronson HealthCare who came from Poland to the U.S. as a child, is being detained at the Calhoun County Jail, according to his wife, Rachelle.

His wife, while working at Bronson Battle Creek on Tuesday, Jan. 16, got a call from her husband. He was in jail.

"I initially thought it was a prank," she said. "I didn't think this could happen to us."

Niec is a citizen of Poland with a permanent Green Card, his wife said.

She said she believes the arrest stemmed from two unrelated misdemeanor convictions when he was in high school, one of destruction of property less than $100 and the other of receiving stolen property. The most recent conviction was in 1992, she said.

They are offenses a U.S. citizen would get a slap on the wrist for, she said.

"He pleaded guilty," she said. "He was not notified it could ever be used in a deportation."

She believes deportation is unlikely, but so is bail because of the two unrelated convictions.

Kalamazoo County court records show Niec pleaded guilty to a 2008 operating impaired by liquor offense in Kalamazoo County. He completed probation, and the conviction was set aside, the plea withdrawn and the case dismissed, as part of a plea agreement.

He was charged with domestic violence in 2013 and a jury found him not guilty after a trial, record show.

He has traffic violations including speeding and careless driving, court records show.

A spokesman for the ICE Detroit Field Office did not respond to requests for information about Niec Thursday and Friday, besides to say he was checking on the case.

Bronson HealthCare Spokeswoman Carolyn Wyllie declined to comment Friday. Hospital colleagues, meanwhile, have written an immigration judge on behalf of Niec.

At the age of 3, Niec immigrated to the Bloomfield Hills area with his mother, father and sister, his wife said.

He graduated from Western Michigan University and went to medical school at Ross University School of Medicine in Dominica.

"There are no documentation issues," his wife said. "We've been married. He has not done the citizenship route yet."

A Green Card, or a Permanent Resident Card, allows a person to live and work permanently in the United States. Adults with Green Cards must carry them at all times, according to ICE.

Rachelle Niec believes her husband being detained is wrong because the misdemeanor convictions on his record happened 20-plus years ago, she said.

"He's taken care of the people of the U.S. as a physician, he's taken care of the people of this community, this state," she said. "After all this time, when is somebody finally free?"

"Just because this guy was born in another country, it shouldn't mean that 20-plus years later he can be taken out of his home on a Tuesday."

His job could be in jeopardy if he is detained long enough or deported, his wife said. He remained jailed Friday afternoon.

The couple met while working at Bronson, and they've been in a relationship for about four years. They married in July 2016, she said.

They have one daughter each and they are planning to have another child together, Rachel Niec said.

"It's just scary to think we can be broken apart," she said.

Lukasz Niec's daughter went to her mother's house after Niec was detained, Rachelle Niec said, while she had to call a neighbor to pick up her daughter from school and get her to volleyball practice that day.

Her daughter is scared what will happen to him, she said.

"It's lonely," she said. "You're sitting at the house waiting for your husband to call you from jail. And you're normal citizens."

The timing is also bad because the hospitals are short of physicians because of influenza season and the amount of respiratory cases, she said.

Her husband is someone who wants to go back to work, someone who would take 20 shifts in the next month, she said. He also makes schedules for physicians.

"He's an excellent citizen, an excellent physician. He's well respected and well liked," colleague Penny Rathburn said. "He's not a threat to our society."

Several colleagues wrote letters addressed to an immigration judge in support of Niec. They were being printed on Bronson letterhead Friday to be sent out, Rathburn said.

"The consensus about his character is overwhelming with no single complaint I have ever heard from anyone over 10 years," Kwsai Al-Rahhal, M.D. wrote.

"He is loving, caring and respectful. I have seen how he treats my own family and my kids love 'uncle Lucas.' I truly hope you give him the chance to know him," Al-Rahhal wrote.

Another colleague, Jose Angelo L. De Leon, M.D., called Niec an inspiration and a mentor. Niec stepped up to work extra hours during shortages, he wrote.

"I cannot say enough about his work ethic and his service to our community," he wrote.

The family is unsure how long he will be detained. His wife said they are hoping an attorney will help him bond out so he can return to work and his life.

So Polish guy is brought into the country at age 3, is married to an American woman (in July 2016, funny enough), and at age 43 still does not have citizenship. Additionally, he is careless enough to have numerous spots on his record over the years. This is yet another example of someone who is arrogant and does not respect the system. He also has a daughter with another on the way. You can bet this guy is kicking himself in his jail cell for procrastinating - but the left will never frame it in terms of personal responsibility. It's Trump's fault!

At least he is a doctor - but he's one in thousands. Just imagine the multitudes of trash that have committed far worse crimes and do not contribute in any way. Regardless, it is good to see this happening.

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worldwidetraveler Wrote:I think what rubbed people the wrong way was the idea that we needed to import more people of a particular ethnicity because there were supposedly more conservative.

This is exactly right. That idea is so stupid I've named it the Agastaya Offensive.