Post: #226

(07-08-2015 03:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Samseau my prediction remains that the media will tear Trump down before any of the voting gets underway. They can do anything they want, make up any lie they need to, but he will be destroyed.

No conservatives listen to the media or give a fuck what they think

Post: #227

(07-08-2015 04:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 03:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Samseau my prediction remains that the media will tear Trump down before any of the voting gets underway. They can do anything they want, make up any lie they need to, but he will be destroyed.

No conservatives listen to the media or give a fuck what they think

That's not true, they just watch Fox which isn't really a news source. It is just for people who are mad and want to stay mad. From what I understand Roger Ailes has an agenda and he just runs it through Fox. We can criticize CNN and MSNBC but Fox has the least contact with reality.

Post: #228

The media is doing everything they possibly can to tear Trump down but it seems to be backfiring in their faces. Trump has taken a very strong position on something thats pretty clear - illegal immigration is hurting Americans, whether its violent crime or taking jobs. That doesnt mean he's a racist or he hates Mexicans, it means that the President and other elected leaders of the US have it as their responsibility to represent Americans to the best of their abilities, whether they are white Americans, black Americans, Mexican Americans, whatever, not to help out citizens of another county, especially lower class ones trying to illegally invade our country.

My other hunch is that if he keeps this up he will choose Carly Fiorina as his VP to try and keep some of the female voters.

At the end of the day the election really only comes down to a handful of states, so it will be interesting to see how he does in Ohio, FL, VA, etc.

Post: #229

(07-08-2015 04:03 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 03:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Samseau my prediction remains that the media will tear Trump down before any of the voting gets underway. They can do anything they want, make up any lie they need to, but he will be destroyed.

No conservatives listen to the media or give a fuck what they think

That's not true, they just watch Fox which isn't really a news source. It is just for people who are mad and want to stay mad. From what I understand Roger Ailes has an agenda and he just runs it through Fox. We can criticize CNN and MSNBC but Fox has the least contact with reality.

Have you read the comment sections of these fox articles? Pretty much all of them hate the current batch of Republicans. It doesn't matter what any these media sites say. The more they mention Trump the more popular he's gonna get.

Post: #230

SJWs have been digging through feminist icon Amy Schumer's twitter and discovered a tweet by her

"I use to date Hispanic guys, but now I prefer consensual."

Her neon haired freaks aren't to happy but they've accepted her apology. Let's see how the MSM handles Schumer compared to Trump. It couldn't be anymore obvious they're attacking him for being right wing, not that anyone on this forum needed that explanation.

Post: #231

I wonder with the increasingly diversifying demographics, the marginalization of the religious right from mainstream politics, and the emboldening of SJWs, could we see a viable 3rd party in our lifetimes? Or at least more viable 3rd party/indie/Perot-esque candidates shearing off large chunks of the vote in major elections, including the Presidency?

Currently, the GOP has a conservative wing that is impeding the party from being able to adapt to the diversifying demographics to get a Republican President again. Liberals/SJWs have won the culture wars and the media/universities have successfully tarnished Conservatism, at least for a generation. I think the GOP is still good to win congressional seats and governorships for at least another 10-20 years, and a Bush/Rubio/Christie establishment candidate could hypothetically win a general election (albeit with a lot of less-than-enthusiastic conservative votes), but the old coalition of fiscal cons, social cons, and the military vote is gone for good. Where/how is this party going to find and form a new coalition that can win presidential elections?

The Democratic Party seems even more potentially unstable. Demographics and special interest groups with conflicting end-goal interests, SJWism going towards hyper-drive. Democrats clearly have an edge in presidential elections, especially with the electoral college, but have also experienced voter fatigue and poor support in state/local mid-terms. Could the contrasts between Latte Liberals, DeBlasio-esque SJWs and ethnic minorities grow sharper to a fallout?

Post: #232

He's an in interesting character who gives straight answers not the typical lawyer or political response. I have noticed those against him always mention how he hates Mexican immigrants, but they fail to mention illegal immigrants in their article. Big big difference.

Seems like some websites like huffington post, vox are paid by special interests to give articles that put their agendas forward. It will be interesting once the debates are on and seeing how the media twists the facts or presents it.

Post: #233

(07-08-2015 04:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:03 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 03:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Samseau my prediction remains that the media will tear Trump down before any of the voting gets underway. They can do anything they want, make up any lie they need to, but he will be destroyed.

No conservatives listen to the media or give a fuck what they think

That's not true, they just watch Fox which isn't really a news source. It is just for people who are mad and want to stay mad. From what I understand Roger Ailes has an agenda and he just runs it through Fox. We can criticize CNN and MSNBC but Fox has the least contact with reality.

Have you read the comment sections of these fox articles? Pretty much all of them hate the current batch of Republicans. It doesn't matter what any these media sites say. The more they mention Trump the more popular he's gonna get.

No, Fox is not the place where I go to try and get unbiased media. I imagine Fox is upset because it no longer controls the narrative. I'm sure it has a preference for certain candidates and Trump doesn't help them. I bet Fox is also upset that some of the viewers actually like Trump. Like I said, if Trump can rebuild the middle class, I'd be impressed. I'd consider him durimg his reelection. But it won't happen. What will happen is that he will thoroughly damage whatever candidate that does win the primary and make it an easy victory for Clinton. I think Sanders has gotten a little out of control demanding free college and other shit. If people think Obama was a socialist they haven't seen anything if Sanders gets in office.

Trump was interviewed on NBC today and man was he snappy and snarky. I can't wait to watch the fireworks during the debate.

Post: #234

There is no such thing as unbiased media.

In any case, Trump's got my protest vote for now.

Post: #235

(07-08-2015 04:49 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  There is no such thing as unbiased media.

In any case, Trump's got my protest vote for now.

But some don't even try to have a touch of reality in it.

Post: #236

(07-08-2015 04:51 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:49 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  There is no such thing as unbiased media.

In any case, Trump's got my protest vote for now.

But some don't even try to have a touch of reality in it.

Mainstream media reports bits and pieces of reality and inject lies and spin into it to fit whatever they and their viewers believe. Or what they want their viewers to believe.

Post: #237

Thus far Donald Trump is proving himself to be an anti-fragile candidate, but it's still very early on and in politics, much like in finance, timing is everything. Trump could easily prove to be a flash in the pan. I think it's gonna be up to powerful underground movements like ours to push not just him, but candidates in general that we like, which are from what I see, Trump, Webb, and Paul (though he's been slowly going retard lately), and maybe Bernie Sanders (much as I am naturally averse to his far left politics, I know that he at least isn't bought and is starting to creep up on Hilldebeast now).

As for Donald Trump getting any of the black vote - not happening. As I mentioned before, politics and voting are a tribal activity, and blacks are the most tribal voters of all. However, he can and should speak to their issues - maybe some will come out for him but more might find him nonthreatening enough not to come out against him.

Post: #238

Trump is like Mitt Romney with swagger. A guy like Trump is what no small number of Republicans have been waiting for. Think of the small business owner who didn't graduate college and jokes that he went to "clown college" but is a low-key 1%er or close to it. The are still a lot of these people in US and they will vote in the primary.

I can't get the link work, but www.realclearpolitics.com has today's Trump interview with NBC. I dig the brash, combative style.

Post: #239

(07-08-2015 04:24 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:03 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 03:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Samseau my prediction remains that the media will tear Trump down before any of the voting gets underway. They can do anything they want, make up any lie they need to, but he will be destroyed.

No conservatives listen to the media or give a fuck what they think

That's not true, they just watch Fox which isn't really a news source. It is just for people who are mad and want to stay mad. From what I understand Roger Ailes has an agenda and he just runs it through Fox. We can criticize CNN and MSNBC but Fox has the least contact with reality.

Have you read the comment sections of these fox articles? Pretty much all of them hate the current batch of Republicans. It doesn't matter what any these media sites say. The more they mention Trump the more popular he's gonna get.

No, Fox is not the place where I go to try and get unbiased media. I imagine Fox is upset because it no longer controls the narrative. I'm sure it has a preference for certain candidates and Trump doesn't help them. I bet Fox is also upset that some of the viewers actually like Trump. Like I said, if Trump can rebuild the middle class, I'd be impressed. I'd consider him durimg his reelection. But it won't happen. What will happen is that he will thoroughly damage whatever candidate that does win the primary and make it an easy victory for Clinton. I think Sanders has gotten a little out of control demanding free college and other shit. If people think Obama was a socialist they haven't seen anything if Sanders gets in office.

Trump was interviewed on NBC today and man was he snappy and snarky. I can't wait to watch the fireworks during the debate.

Here is the 28 minute unedited interview.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-ele...te-n388696

If you have the time, it is well worth it. I will be honest, it is one of the best moments I have ever seen on TV. The girl interviewing him is very cute, but you can tell she just had an easy life and has no idea how dangerous the SJW cause is to her long term.

Donald spends 28 minutes dissing Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, and even NBC itself. He doesn't put up with this poor girl's attempts to spin his words or to cut him off. She eventually get frustrated and he goes in for the kill. He gets her upset enough she is ready to cry, then she uses the term "pissed off" to which he corrects her and tells her she can't talk like that on TV, and by the end she is stuttering and confused and he tells her to "get it out" and that "she isn't prepared".

This is going to be a very fun election process.

Post: #240

"Civilians are near oil areas.
Come Katie, give me a break. Next question."

"Do you have a gun?
Yes I do
Do you use it?
It's none of your business."

I love the way he is not pushed into her frame. This is extremely difficult to do. Trump slays!

Post: #241

(07-08-2015 04:10 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  SJWs have been digging through feminist icon Amy Schumer's twitter and discovered a tweet by her

"I use to date Hispanic guys, but now I prefer consensual."

Her neon haired freaks aren't to happy but they've accepted her apology. Let's see how the MSM handles Schumer compared to Trump. It couldn't be anymore obvious they're attacking him for being right wing, not that anyone on this forum needed that explanation.

Perfect example as to why Schumer isn't funny.

She's 5'7" and probably close to 200 pounds. Hispanic men stand about 5'2" and weight a lot less.

So the joke doesn't work because you immediately think that if one of these guys attempted to attack her, she'd be able to tackle him like a football player.

Something with that focus might have made a funnier joke: "I used to date Hispanic guys until I rolled over and killed one." But that's the type of self-effacing comedy that's done by genuine comedians, not people like Schumer and Silverman, who are more about being famous than being funny.

Post: #242

I'm in. Trump has my vote.

Post: #243

(07-09-2015 03:51 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Here is the 28 minute unedited interview.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-ele...te-n388696

If you have the time, it is well worth it. I will be honest, it is one of the best moments I have ever seen on TV. The girl interviewing him is very cute, but you can tell she just had an easy life and has no idea how dangerous the SJW cause is to her long term.

Donald spends 28 minutes dissing Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, and even NBC itself. He doesn't put up with this poor girl's attempts to spin his words or to cut him off. She eventually get frustrated and he goes in for the kill. He gets her upset enough she is ready to cry, then she uses the term "pissed off" to which he corrects her and tells her she can't talk like that on TV, and by the end she is stuttering and confused and he tells her to "get it out" and that "she isn't prepared".

This is going to be a very fun election process.

A bit wary about what he said about ISIS, but he just totally destroyed the narrative there. He's on fire right now.

Meanwhile if you look at the latest Google news they are trying to do everything to tear him down.

Time to construct that counter narrative. If he can make a big impact he'll have done a good service. Also I would probably still WB the reporter.

Meanwhile the "front runner" who conveniently tries to cover up his last name says that people need to start working longer hours:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/j...cid=SMSDHP

Post: #244

(07-08-2015 09:22 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 09:16 AM)MidWest Wrote:  Donald Trump though if he keeps up with his strategy and stay true to his stances by shitting on minorities and rile up his base, he should win

Like I explained to you earlier in this thread, the open border hurts minorities far more than whites. Trump just needs to explain this in his debates and continue to reach out to the common sense people who want to provide for themselves if only given the opportunity to do so.

My bad, I didn't see your reply.

Trust me, I'm a big supporter for the plight of the illegal immigrants already here especially those who have lived here a long time and established themselves in the country. But I also understand that a country cannot have open borders and the sovereignty of a nation should be respected. I definitely think America should double down on securing the border. You can make the argument that even legal immigration hurts African Americans and other Hispanics even more because legal immigrants are immediately brought into the workforce where as illegal immigrants are pretty much servants and stick to picking strawberries and cleaning toilets and things of that nature.

I get all that. And Donald Trump did come out and say that Hispanics will be hurt by illegal immigration and that they want stronger borders. I heard him in a video just yesterday, can't remember which one.

In the end I think Amnesty is pretty much inevitable because I am still waiting to hear a Republican candidate take a major strong stance on deporting all of them back, and I don't even think Trump is willing to go that far. What does it mean to be "strong on immigration" when most candidates are afraid to even mention deporting people. Does being tough on immigration simply mean "we're going to secure the border" and that's it? Mitt Romney proposed self-deportation but not full blown deportation. The question that no Republican candidate has been willing to answer is: What should the U.S. do with the estimated 11 million people already in the country illegally? Everyone pretty much dodges that question and fall back on "we need to secure the border first" except for maybe Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio who have well thought out plans for legalization . That's why I think amnesty is inevitable because the political will to deport 11 million people just isn't there.

If by some chance a candidate does come out and propose a full deportation these are the costs:

Quote: Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. The impact on the economy would be even larger, according to the study: Real GDP would drop by nearly $1.6 trillion and the policy would shave 5.7 percent off economic growth. Researchers Laura Collins and Ben Gitis also write that their estimates are conservative, since they do not include, for example, the cost of constructing new courts, prisons, and other buildings that might be needed to process and detain millions of immigrants.

Link

And that's not even adding the great wall that Trump wants to build. I mean they could go ahead with it but no politician is willing to propose deportation of such magnitude. Everyone dodges the question of what to do with the illegals.

Post: #245

^ Look at the comment section Libertas. Nearly 7K comments and this is just a primary election? It's Trump's election to lose at this point.

Post: #246

What if we allowed illegals already here to live here but cut off the social benefits such as health care that they get for free while paying no taxes.

Post: #247

Post: #248

Midwest I will say this...

The open border is devastating for Hispanics both in Mexico and in the USA. The amount of poverty and violence it spreads on both sides to their neighborhoods is uncalled for. And I think we agree there.

The issue is the people who came to this country illegally 10, 15, 20 years ago. They follow the law. They work. What do we do with these people. For them there has to be some sort of pathway, but putting it into the hands of our chickenshit PC politicians seems like a really bad idea. It would be interesting to hear what Trump thinks of these cases.

I personally would rather see it to where if you work and support yourself, have no felonies, that you and your kids have a long path to becoming a citizen. If not, you get shipped out that day.

I just know that the elites want the border open because they are making billions off all the violence, crime and chaos.

Post: #249

Look here is something really radical and extremely patriotic to chew on...

We have a situation where a country we share a several thousand mile southern border with is under the narco terrorist control of 60 to 80 warring Narco Terrorist Drugs Thugs gangs that make ISIS look like pop warner kiddies.

2015 Estimates are up to 150,000+ killed and 30,000 missing inside Mexico. Many beheaded and in mass graves.

I has become unsafe to travel or do business in Mexico without Armed Guards.

Most of these gangs are comprised of or controlled by locals policia, provincial/state policia, federales policia and former military in a "if you do not want to be beaten or killed - then join them mindset). Yet the violence is swept under the rug due to journalists in Mexico and the USA terrified for their lives.

Given that completely out of control framework contributing to a massive illegal migration into the USA from Mexico, El Salvador, and a number of other South American countries - the only solution that works is strong stealth intervention and prosecution of the kingpins smuggling drugs and people and weapons and laundered cash on both sides of the USA Mexico Border.

What we did in Columbia was to send in the DEA with FBI, DoD, Special Forces backup as and where needed including Aircraft Carriers for ultimate Air Superiority.

The USA can blind the Mexican Airspace in about 30 minutes and then DEA and combined Special Forces teams round up the kingpins running the major gangs (Cartels is a too sanitized business term) - prosecute them and rendition them to secret overseas jails the opposite of USA Club Feds.

This worked in Columbia and it is long overdue in Mexico.

Post: #250

Interesting that Rand Paul's latest appeal has switched from the NSA and Patriot Act to open borders and immigration issues:

I am tempted to donate $20.16 again to "Stand with Rand" as a backup plan B to Trump just in case.

From: Rand Paul <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Subject: A complete and total failure
To: Deep Diver

Deepdiver:

Our politicians have done nothing.

Nothing but break all their campaign promises to secure our borders.

And now we are paying the price for decades of betrayal.

Will you help me launch a grassroots revolution to finally put an end to sanctuary cities and finally secure our borders?

Deepdiver, eleven million people have crossed our borders illegally...

...While our federal government looks the other way.

The truth is no president, Republican or Democrat, is willing to enforce immigration law.

And now they're being flouted and laughed at by cities like San Francisco.

In fact, over 200 state and local jurisdictions REFUSE to enforce federal immigration laws!

That MUST come to an end.

But it's not going to stop until you have an executive in the White House who says, 'I will enforce immigration laws.'

I voted against the Senate's so-called "immigration reform" bill because it refused to secure our borders.

This reckless legislation would have also allowed sanctuary cities to keep taxpayer dollars despite flat-out ignoring our nation's immigration laws.

Not one penny of your money should reward local governments that go on strike against our immigration laws.

And when President Obama tried to impose illegal executive amnesty, I voted against funding his lawless behavior.

Even when many in BOTH parties and the media bellowed that we needed to "get something done," I fought back because the rule of law is not up for compromise or debate.

For too long the Washington Machine and their pals in Congress have shirked their duty while the situation at our border exploded into a full-on crisis.

And that needs to end once-and-for-all.

But it's going to take a revolution among the grassroots to finally secure our borders and end sanctuary cities.

So I am asking you to join the movement to restore the rule of law in America.

Add your name to the "Stand with Rand: End Sanctuary Cities and Secure our Borders" petition right away.

And after you sign your petition, please chip in a contribution of $20.16 to help my campaign spread the message we must end sanctuary cities and secure our borders to the voters in the key early caucus and primary states.

PM me for the links...