(07-13-2017 02:17 AM)weambulance Wrote: I want zero immigration except for vetted spouses of US citizens.
(07-13-2017 08:59 PM)weambulance Wrote: Why do we need workers from Asia and Europe when we have tens of millions of perfectly capable people here who can't find good jobs? Why on earth would I put foreigners above my own people? There is no talent shortage in the US, that's absolute bullshit. It's all about keeping wages down so the C-suite can get rich quicker.
I have no real problem with non-Islamic foreigners but we need to take care of our own, not run a goddamn world charity.
It's not uncommon for foreigners to come here, work for awhile, make a pile of cash and go home to live like a prince because a dollar goes 5x as far there as here. Well, that's straight up parasitism. Americans don't have that option, and an American loses a job every time it happens. Even worse is when foreigners establish cultural beachheads in companies and bring in only their own people, which happens all the time in tech. Then Americans get locked out of a whole portion of the company. Is that good for anyone, including the company itself? Hell no, even ignoring the workplace friction that inevitably comes from culture gaps. Why is the software industry so retarded these days? I'll give you one guess.
You know that H1B program everyone bitches about? Proponents always say "oh, it's only 85000 people" or however many it is but what they fail to mention is the people who are already H1Bs become cap-exempt. So they are, in fact, a permanent addition to the workforce. That's 85000 American college graduates--more actually, because there are cap-exempt positions, and the result is about twice the cap are allowed in--who lose good job opportunities every year. From just that one visa program. Does that sound sane to you?
Really, zero immigration, nothing, nada? That would make the US the first country in history to do so.
So this is where we stand now, on one side we have the absolute insane marxist open borders, let everyone in dream and on the other the don't let absolutely anyone in, closed doors policy? There's nothing in between?
I agree that the US should get rid of people who take advantage of the system and illegals and should look out for its own citizens first but unlike what you are saying the majority of legal immigrants are NOT taking anything away from Americans and do in fact contribute more to society then what they take away. This idea that all immigrants are leeches is idiotic and it has no base in reality. As a percentage of the population and absolute numbers there are a lot more American citizens leeching off of the system then immigrants. I'd rather you and the people that like your comments say you want your doors closed because you simply don't like immigrants, which I can actually respect and acknowledge that you have a point, then bullshit excuses about stolen jobs and parasitism, which you use just to give yourself some kind of moral superiority.
I know some people don't want to believe this but the US is experiencing full employment right now, so much so that some people are actually complaining that in the US the unemployment rate is actually too
low, and yes, it's hard to find workers for some sectors because there simply aren't enough people.
You can have the discussion about if it's worth it to bring in more people to keep growing the economy or if you'd rather just use Americans and not let anyone in because you want to preserve your culture, which is a legitimate discussion worth having, but stop with the "all immigrants are basically stealing from us" crap. I work in this country, I pay all my taxes, I pay for your old people to have their fucking medicare and medicaid, I consume goods and services, spend a ton of money and add to the economy, I never ever have taken a cent in government welfare nor would I ever, I've became sick and spent a ton of money in your screwed up health system, even though I already spend a ton in taxes, I obey the laws of the land and I admire the American ideals of liberty, freedom and individuality and will fight for them. I, just like most legal immigrants, contribute more to this country then half of your fellow compatriots that are on the government's dole, which is paid in part with my money, gained from my effort, so if you don't want me here because you simply don't like me then just tell me that straight, because I can accept that instead of calling me a parasite, which is complete bulshit.
And I have to laugh at your "except for vetted spouses of US citizens", yeah, because a mail order bride that will divorce her idiot husband after crying about abuse and getting her green card and receive government's aid is going to be such a model citizen.
