The Conservative Treehouse has a theory on the recent developments, it's possible Trump has had this info for a while.

Quote:Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…

Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.

As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.



June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.



♦ On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦ On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

♦ On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

Quote:The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.

♦ On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

Quote:[…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.

1. The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.

2. In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.

3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.

4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?

….Seems likely.





Interestingly, at the EXACT SAME TIME, just before NSA Rogers visited Trump Tower, another Mike Rogers – the former House intelligence Chairman who retired after lying about the Benghazi fiasco – was kicked off the Trump transition team on intelligence. No one could figure out why he was kicked out. However, if you’ve read the Benghazi Brief you know how damaged, corrupted and untrustworthy Chairman Mike Rogers was – as he previously sat on the oversight gang of eight.

If I were a wagering person, I’d say NSA Rogers was only going to meet with President-Elect Trump if the ears of the corrupted, dangerous and easily blackmailed Mike Rogers were gone.

In the DC Swamp everyone has “black files” on everyone else, and they use them for leverage. The thicker the file the more leverage is carried by the holder. Swamp leverage is blackmail material which is traded like currency to achieve goals and objectives. That’s why the Clinton’s and Obama’s are so at home there.

….That reality is also why President Trump is a risk, because no-one has leverage on him; and additionally the reason why military outsiders are viewed more favorably by Trump.

Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...-2016/amp/

I went to this meetup where a guy who is high up at the local JCC was. He claimed the guy capture only targeted 8 JCCs not including the local. The first 2 times the JCC was called for the bomb threat it was a robotic voice, the last was a scrambler. He was very leftwing, and brought it up all the time. Even stating he had an app which told which products supported Trump so he could boycott it. Apparently Yingling supports Trump and they ironically had it at the meetup!

Jeff Sessions said he would respond to questions related to his meeting with Russian officials next week but he would do it via written statements rather then a live hearing.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/683938/ses...a-meetings

Quote:Attorney General Jeff Sessions has pledged to respond to additional questions from Senate Democrats about his two meetings with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the election.

Sessions' written replies will be submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee Monday; he declined Democrats' request to attend a hearing for live questioning. The Democratic senators have indicated they "do not believe that a written submission to correct the record is sufficient," but Judiciary Committee chair Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has joined Sessions in rejecting demands for a second hearing.

Good thing he's doing this via writings rather then having people grill him live. Democrats are pushing for the latter since it gives them more of a chance to trip him up and make him seem inconsistent. Remember what The Lizard of Oz said about what the tactics behind these constant attacks are:

Quote:The idea is to keep "investigating" until some people in the Trump orbit -- ideally Trump himself -- are caught in more or less lawyerly "lies" as they answer the same questions multiple times and in different contexts. Then once these "lies" are exposed they are supposed to be taken with the most solemn seriousness as the cause for, at the very least, resignation, and ideally prosecution for "perjury" and "lying to investigators".

It will be this: investigate, investigate, investigate ever more and without end. Always bring more officials in for questioning and make them go on the record, always keep covering the same ground from different angles. At the very least, you disrupt the functioning of the government and make people nervous and distracted; and ideally, you make someone say something that contradicts some fact, and then you charge them with "lying to federal investigators". It's not the crime, it's the coverup -- and of course, it has to be the coverup where there isn't any crime in the first place.

(03-04-2017 09:08 AM)Jaydublin Wrote:  This appears to be pretty serious shit. We will have to see how it plays out throughout the day. I hope Trump has legitimate proof or the media will have a field day.

The media is already saying it's "unsubstantiated" though Edward Snowden revealed long ago that all phones are tapped.

CNN is panicking so hard right now they are carrying lLindsay Graham town hall snoozer about Ocare.

At this point unless an asteroid hits the White House it doesn't move the needle with me.

If that's true then Americans who don't even follow politics will never care or notice.

Ok, I keep seeing (elsewhere) this stuff about Pence using private email while governor of Indiana and how that makes the right all hypocrites about HRC and her escapades. It was so ridiculous that I just ignored it at first, and I don't remember if it was even mentioned here, but here goes with the easy rebuttal:

First of all, do you not know the difference between state and federal governments and the level of security and type of secrets that are at risk? Exactly how big are the intelligence secrets that could possibly be at risk for Indiana? Is there danger of exposing Indiana's undercover intelligence agents in Michigan?? Is there risk of revealing Indiana's secret defense contingency plans in case of invasion by Ohio?? Anyone who sees equivalence needs to be ridiculed mercilessly. Are there some things that should be kept private ... yes, probably, and I have no idea exactly what was involved in whatever private emails Pence did send, but the level of secrecy would be orders of magnitude different as would the level of investment anyone would put into getting at them.

If that isn't enough ... Pence used a private account, not a private server. HRC lied about the account, lied about the server, then deleted tens of thousands of emails to prevent turning them over to investigators. HRC tried to make it sound like she was doing what Pence was doing, but she lied about that. She actually went much further, and was obviously trying to cover up some things that were apparently very important for her to keep from becoming public. It's known that HRC had shady dealings going on related to the Clinton Foundation and influence peddling and those things are being investigated separately, and most likely some of the emails she was determined to keep private would have been evidence related to that.

This story should have no traction whatsoever. But then neither should the Sessions Russia thing, so I guess it's just the world in which we currently live. Repeal and Replace the globalist puppet media.

(03-04-2017 09:55 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  The Conservative Treehouse has a theory on the recent developments, it's possible Trump has had this info for a while.

Quote:Occam’s Razor – Did NSA Admiral Mike Rogers Warn Trump On November 17th, 2016?…

Sometimes the utilization of Timelines means you have to look at the new information with a keen awareness of specific events. In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) spying on their activity.

As you look at the FISA request dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June request – Denied, and the October request – Granted. Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.



June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.



♦ On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held. Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦ On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

♦ On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

Quote:The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…] In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories. The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.

♦ On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

Quote:[…] The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.

1. The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.

2. In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.

3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.

4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?

….Seems likely.





Interestingly, at the EXACT SAME TIME, just before NSA Rogers visited Trump Tower, another Mike Rogers – the former House intelligence Chairman who retired after lying about the Benghazi fiasco – was kicked off the Trump transition team on intelligence. No one could figure out why he was kicked out. However, if you’ve read the Benghazi Brief you know how damaged, corrupted and untrustworthy Chairman Mike Rogers was – as he previously sat on the oversight gang of eight.

If I were a wagering person, I’d say NSA Rogers was only going to meet with President-Elect Trump if the ears of the corrupted, dangerous and easily blackmailed Mike Rogers were gone.

In the DC Swamp everyone has “black files” on everyone else, and they use them for leverage. The thicker the file the more leverage is carried by the holder. Swamp leverage is blackmail material which is traded like currency to achieve goals and objectives. That’s why the Clinton’s and Obama’s are so at home there.

….That reality is also why President Trump is a risk, because no-one has leverage on him; and additionally the reason why military outsiders are viewed more favorably by Trump.

Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...-2016/amp/

If Obama and his cronies are willing to use the IRS to target conservatives and other groups on the right, he will have not problem using intelligence agencies to spy on the opposition team.

(03-04-2017 11:23 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  If Obama and his cronies are willing to use the IRS to target conservatives and other groups on the right, he will have not problem using intelligence agencies to spy on the opposition team.

So true.

(03-04-2017 09:55 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  The Conservative Treehouse has a theory on the recent developments, it's possible Trump has had this info for a while.
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Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...-2016/amp/

Came to post this.

Seems to me this is a shot across Obama's bow, so to speak. If it were me, I wouldve held on to that info until I had a good idea of how big of a PITA Obama was going to be post-inauguration. Now having confirmation that he is going to be a seditious fuck-face, the decorum that presided will soon evaporate and President Trump will gladly expose the unprecedented levels of corruption in the Obama regime which will only solidify the image of the current democrat party as shamelessly corrupt and madly power hungry. After all thats what the democrats are so mad about, the apparatus that they expended all their political capital building has been taken over by the other side for use against its creators by someone who is not a product of nor beholden to the system or the favors it provides.

The establishment has a lot to lose at this point. All options are on the table including assassination, if they can get a useful idiot to do it for them all the better, hence media, otherwise I fear an accident will befall trump at some point and then all hell is going to break loose.

A question crossed my mind today, what happens if Trump has a heart attack and dies or something else that was truly normal but everyone goes nuts thinking he was killed and things go to hell as a result. He isnt a young man, he's 70.... its all very concerning

A couple of things -
1) theconservativetreehouse.com is a fantastic conservative blog. I stumbled across it a few years ago during the Trayvon trial and its been all aboard the Trump Train since day 1. They do a fantastic job of breaking down things the media wouldnt touch.

2) It was recently announced that Valerie Jarrett was going to move into Obama's DC house and their sole goal would be to get Trump impeached or force him to resign. If that cocksucker doesnt go quietly I have a feeling all the corrupt shit him and his DOJ did is quickly going to come to the surface. I seriously hope he ends up in jail for the rest of his life along with Holder, Clinton, and the rest of the scum.

When does the trump administration go on the offensive legally , if ever?

(03-04-2017 12:43 PM)Beirut Wrote:  When does the trump administration go on the offensive legally , if ever?

As soon as Sessions gets a handle on the DoJ which is hostile to the current administration. I have previously predicted one year at minimum. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.

We have a problem people:





If President Trump ends up surrounding himself with deep state CFR pundits then he may end up isolated, powerless, and in the end impeached. The GOP is certainly not going to help him or us. We need a plan.

According to some articles I have read in the last moths, one big reason Obama wants to take down Trump is because as POTUS Trump now has access to top secret info about the Iran deal, stuff that was not made public and it will show how dangerous the deal was for the USA.

That's the problem - most people in this country (for good reason there's no sense in calling them 'American's) don't care about the corruption, and are on board with a Marxist state.

That's the mistake right wingers make, we think these people will respond to reason or logic. I.E. 'just wait till they find out about xxxx then they'll be on our side!'.

Mexicans sure as shit don't care. Blacks don't seem to care, young whites have been brainwashed, and many boomer whites are apathetic and have said 'fuck it' since they know they'll be dead before it gets too bad.

The CNN headline "Trump fasely accuses Obama of wiretapping him".

Whether it is true or not their headline shows panick by denying the way they are.

(03-04-2017 12:09 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  The establishment has a lot to lose at this point. All options are on the table including assassination, if they can get a useful idiot to do it for them all the better, hence media, otherwise I fear an accident will befall trump at some point and then all hell is going to break loose.

A question crossed my mind today, what happens if Trump has a heart attack and dies or something else that was truly normal but everyone goes nuts thinking he was killed and things go to hell as a result. He isnt a young man, he's 70.... its all very concerning

If I had to guess it could unfold very similarly to the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, complete with media induced hysteria about "coups" and "putsches", especially after Al Haig's "I'm in charge" presser. I could only imagine what they would be printing about Bannon in such a scenario.

Here are a couple decent reads about the incident:

Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training: Al Haig and the Reagan Assassination Attempt — “I’m in charge here”

Dallas Morning News: Tested Under Fire - How GHWB asserted control in the wake of the Reagan assassination attempt

Today's Jay Sekulo broadcast was somewhat informative. They discussed the Sarah Farkas story, emphasizing that she wasn't a US government employee in 2016. So her quotes suggest that Trump was being surveilled as early as 2015, (perhaps even earlier).

Also, Adam Schiff is the ranking Democrat member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He is entitled to see all information that Nunes brought to President Trump, but President Trump is the first person entitled to see that information. (It's actually the law that says President Trump is entitled to be the first to see any information regarding improper surveillance of American citizens.)

Going back to Farkas, she said that she wanted to bring as much information about Trump and Trump's staff to "her friends on The Hill". She clearly wasn't speaking about Republicans, so she must be speaking about Democrats. Since she admitted to leaking information about Trump, which Senator would be most likely to have received such leaked information?

While you're thinking about that, President Trump invited all members of the Senate Intelligence Committee to visit the White House and see the information given to him by Nunes. One Senator publically refused and declared he was extremely bothered by the way that information was presented to the God-Emperor.

That man was Adam Schiff, ranking Democrat member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and...hey, wait a minute...a prime suspect in the Sarah Farkas-related "our friends on The Hill" comment.

(03-31-2017 04:49 PM)kbell Wrote:  This spy stuff is above my head and not sure who this Adam Schiff guy is. But the most important thing is, is how does his neck support his head?




Its as though his head is overinflated with ego and somehow the neck was forgotten. Hopefully it will not collapse on him.

Speaking of Adam Stiff...

Quote:Sessions Seeks to Speed Deportation of Federal Inmates

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Jeff Sessions is announcing a plan to speed up the deportation of immigrants in the country illegally who have been convicted of federal crimes.

Sessions said Thursday that the Justice Department will expand an existing program aimed at holding deportation hearings for immigrants while they are still in federal prison. That effort is known as the Institutional Hearing Program.

Holding such hearings before inmates' sentences are finished would let the government deport them immediately when they are released.

Sessions, who has made immigration enforcement a key Justice Department priority, says the government owes it to the American public to quickly deport illegal immigrants who have been convicted of crimes.

Under the proposal, 14 federal prisons and six contract facilities will be set up for immigration removal proceedings.

Source: http://archive.is/C1uZc

How in the fuck isn't it *already* American policy to hold deportation hearings for imprisoned illegals, while they're still in prison?