The media and politicians have been promoting a narrative of the Orlando attack as either a gun control issue with nothing to do with Islamic terrorism, or vice versa. Pure propaganda designed to divide people into two opposing groups when really there is plenty of common ground.
There is more than one problem in the world, and we can attack those problems on various fronts.
This is why what Trump has just done is so smart. He's strongly anti-Islamic terrorism, as any American or Westerner should be, while also recognizing another, separate problem in America - gun violence. All the while the media and other politicians insisting it has to be one or the other.
He's tearing the media machine down one piece at a time.
Regardless of what the talks or future gun control restrictions bring this will get to people who realize he's going beyond ideology here and acting pragmatic to get things done for America.
(06-15-2016 10:21 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote: It should be noted for the record that Trump's Atlanta rally of today was one of the handful of greatest Trump rallies -- I'd put it right up there with Costa Mesa and Warwick, RI. It was not quite as wildly comically inspired as Costa Mesa but it was even more moving is some ways. It was beautiful.
That is why I don't freak out every time Trump make a mistake or does a bad rally. I've watched him long enough to develop a solid confidence in his ability.
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(03-22-2016 07:28 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote: So deep in their hearts they delight in the spectacle of terrorism and destruction, because to them it represents truth;... because they hate life as it is, and they secretly welcome the rude awakening that sudden and "senseless" violence brings...
(06-15-2016 10:21 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote: It looks like Orlando will not be enough... It may take 2 or 3 Orlandos to turn the tide
(03-22-2016 07:28 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote: And this is why it would be so good if Trump prevails somehow -- not only or even mostly because of any immediate practical consequences, but because of the terrible demoralization that would induce in the YZ crew; it would be like their Brussels and their Bataclan, times a thousand.
The amount of negative articles is crazy! You google Trump and news section at the top is nothing but negativity and its been like that for a while. Is it because there are many more negative articles being written than positive or even neutral ones?
(06-16-2016 09:34 AM)Kickb Wrote: The amount of negative articles is crazy! You google Trump and news section at the top is nothing but negativity and its been like that for a while. Is it because there are many more negative articles being written than positive or even neutral ones?
Following Trump's first Muslim ban proposal promoted by San Bernardino last year, immense press negativity flooded upon him, but his poll number went up. This time it will also go in that direction.
The negative press is the media and elite's natural reaction - of course the voices are going to be loud. It's a desperate attempt to stop the mass migration from D to R. They know what kind of effect these tragedies have and they are hyper aware of how weak of a hold they now have on the people and controlling the narrative, especially when it comes to Trump.
Yes there will always be people against Trump and they are not possible to sway... it's the sheeplibs and fence sitters Trump is picking up now. True public outrage, especially when it concerns personal security, is an extremely compelling motivator.
Oh Maslow, you wacky guy, who knew Safety would Trumplove?
(06-16-2016 07:41 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote: I was despairing about the coming youth, but that video just cheered me the fuck up. Mainly because he's standing on facts against the narrative that I've been force-fed the past 30 years. That's a smart young man that'll hopefully never ever switch to something like BLM. More of this please.
You can see the big gay dude's face start melting as he grasps for straws.
Lots of young people are influenced by media, virtual signaling, and group think, they fear a lot being outcast by friends, is way safer to support Hillary or Berney than face the social backlash of being a Trump supporter, remember many are finishing high schools or in college, they do not want to be "literally Hitler" supporter.
Trump's presidential announcement was precisely a year ago now...
... so it is time to make a trip down memory lane at the beginning of this thread!
(06-16-2015 02:03 PM)TheWastelander Wrote: This dude's a clown.
It's amazing to me how we don't even have politicians that fake class anymore.
Say what you want about Reagan, but he was undeniably classy.
(06-16-2015 02:07 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote: Trump is a proven winner. He's created jobs and doesn't mind telling it like it is. I'd happily vote for him. Now here come the chorus of 'fuck its' in the thread already.
(06-16-2015 02:06 PM)kaotic Wrote: The republicans are continually splintering their vote, this is a fucking joke.
It's turning into a circus, there needs to reformation in the party.
Fuck him and the 2 party joke of a system.
(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote: He's right, it would be alot harder to buy favors from a guy as wealthy as him.
Unlike career politicians like Obama or Rubio, he doesn't need to get along with everyone so he can get bullshit lecture fees (chelsey clinton) just for being associated with him. He's not desperate like a talentless 'community organizer' who has no other options than government.
Americans are presently being taught in schools:
1. money is evil
2. people who spend time obtaining more money are evil
3. corporations are evil
4. all business owners are evil
5. government taking your paycheck is a good thing
6. whatever your teacher and liberal media tells you is in your best interest.
I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive. Yea he inherited tens of millions from his dad, but turning that into billions is pretty impressive IMO.
All I hear from any left politician is wanting government coercion to make things 'fair' and 'equal' to the proverbial 'little guy'.
(06-16-2015 02:15 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote: He and Rand are the only two of any interest to me. I am not sure if he is serious, I hope he is, because it will take someone as non-PC and tell it like it is as him to get this thing headed back in the right direction.
(06-16-2015 05:26 PM)scorpion Wrote: How pathetic is our political system when Donald Fucking Trump is the preferable option over the two major Presidential frontrunners?
He's a crass, arrogant blowhard with questionable ethics, but compared to the unbelievably corrupt Hillary and Jeb he's a fucking knight in shining armor.
(06-16-2015 05:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote: I've been hearing this idiot nonstop since I was a kid. And I'm damn near 40 now. I have the feeling he's going to live past 100. That means 30 more years of hearing about this clown. I'm trying to imagine myself at age 70 still hearing about Trump in the news.
(06-16-2015 05:48 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote: That's what's great about him he didn't give a political speech. No politician in their right mind would have launched a campaign like that. Trump isn't a politician. He's exactly the type of guy America needs right now. A larger than life Teddy Roosevelt kind of figure that will bring some sense of nationalism to the country. A kind of no nonsense leader that says get on may ass and we'll restore ourselves to greatness again. Americans are cynical and dejected and desperately want to believe that the good times aren't over for good. America was lied to with the hope and change claptrap from a dunce president who's never done a thing in his life except give a speech. Straight talk from a guys who's walked it would be refreshing.
As for myself, I'm supporting Mike Huckabee. But I sure do like Trump.
(06-16-2015 11:31 PM)Kickb Wrote: Why does everyone call him a clown?
Clowns don't have a net worth of 8.5 billion.
(06-18-2015 09:37 AM)Deepdiver Wrote: I am an Independent who lives and works in state sales tax and state income tax free New Hampshire and Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton really want New Hampshire independents votes.
I have contempt for the Democrats because they have morphed from the party of the worker to the party of the SJW welfare recipient state in response to the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs that used to support the basic working class family with no STEM education. The Democrats have also endorsed every form of mentally ill deviancy possible including legally sanctioned and government paid for self mutilation gender reassignment surgeries glorifying the likes of "Caitlin Jenner" and his-er publicity mongering attention whoring lgbTqstds lifestyle as a normally acceptable behavior with every major media outlet falling all over themselves with gushing praise for a mentally ill man that recently killed a women likely under the influence of his hormone preparatory gender bending meds - a family lost their mother due to his having to drive to Malibu will high as a kite under the influence of prescription meds. Does the media mention that he should be convicted for involuntary manslaughter at the minimum? NO - why - because they do not want to offend the LGBTQstds loving media and have their careers or businesses crushed in the process.
I have contempt for the Republicans who have morphed from the party of the Factory Owner Class to the Romney Offshore everything class to ANTI-AMERICAN countries with NO US Style EPA, OSHA or Social Security regulations driving the entire strategic manufacturing base offshore to China and its emerging cheaper labor neighboring countries Vietnam, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Laos and North Freaking Korea. All while they lobby to keep China's main advantage that allows their factory working people to live on $3 per hour whereas North Americans can barely scrape by on $23 per hour or worse WalMart's standard starting $10 per hour. Walmart cynically drove all of its suppliers factories to China to crush the USA factory workers wages converting from factory wages you could support a family on post WWII to service economy wages families need EBT WIC etc subsidies to put food on their tables at Walmart prices the only place they can afford. Meanwhile the Romney offshorers take a solid USA based 10% net net cash cow manufacturer and buy it for a slight premium so the owners can buy Fidelity and Vanguard etc ETFs and retire in the sun while all of their once good paying $20 to $30 dollar per hour USA manufacturing jobs - that supported local city and towns tax bases - companies worth about 10 times multiple of annual earnings are transferred to Communist Red Army controlled Labor Camps in the guise of "Industrial Parks" with NO Labor, Safety or Environmental protections - so that the Mega Billionaires at Apple, HP and Microsoft can get their 100s of millions of gadgets made by mega sweatshop factories with Red Army guards forcing the workers to work 16 hour days 7 days a week with no benefits and a retirement plan of going back to their village and work rice paddies until they die. If this were a USA or Canadian factory the Media would be falling all over themselves demanding the Company execs be prosecuted for their illegal safety, environmental and labor crimes - yes what American corporations benefit from every day in China is illegal in most of the G7 countries. To ad insult to injury these Romney Offshored companies now with cheap slave labor and no regulation cash windfalls go public with a new Corporate Entity on the Hong Kong stock exchange ate crazy 60 times "growth" multiples racking in over a Trillion in offshore profits which they keep in their offshore accounts so they do not have to pay any USA Federal or Local Taxes further crippling US States Cities and Towns leaving YOU and your Children and Grandchildren with the deficits and demand to pay these bills less their communities file bankruptcy like Detroit and most of the former USA industrial cities.
I have contempt for the Libertarians who refuse to learn and grasp Monetary Sovereignty and Modern Monetary Theory and how electronic money really works in the modern world - calling the USA Money Supply "debt" and reducing said "Debt" crushes the availability of capital in the USA and the ability of you and I to grow and prosper with our own mega taxed and hyper regulated businesses... I am forced to use Fiverr, Elance and Odesk if I want to compete in the Globalized Diversified (slave labor) world which we are told by all party elites and the Forbes 510+ USA Billionaires is "good" for us.
All because China is allowed to manipulate its currency and limit its true relative global strength compared to the G7 and even G20 it systematically rapes economically with full support of the USA's 510+ Billionaires - except Donald Trump.
The USA is under constant attack in multiple wars the Obamunists REFUSE to acknowledge that the USA is in fact being systematically attacked by WTF? over...
1. ISIS recruits are actively joining the Radical ISLAMISTs movements in the USA and actually trying to cut the heads off of Law Enforcement Officers in the USA - a holy war that they are gaining ground in the Middle East, Pan Arab Africa and Sub Saharan Africa. They actively support the cultivation and export of Black Tar heroin and other opioids to poison and undermine and weaken the youth of all the infidel nations so they are unfit for military service to defend against the Islamists invasion and sharia conversion of Europe and eventually the Americas will strictly forbidding use or sale of same drugs in Muslim countries at the risk of immediate execution.
2. The NARCO Terrorists of Latin America - Trump is Right Mexico is now a fiefdom of 60 to 80 drugs gangs that have turned the Mexican economy - once a low cost labor assembly army for North American manufacturers (Moved to China) and forced to survive in Mexico's Narco Economy as tourism jobs plummet due to the rampant Crime across Mexico.
3. Immigrants - The rest of the world that wants to come here while the Obama administration encourages massive refugee immigration from mostly Islamist countries creating a breeding ground for future Sharia warriors in our midst - NO skills requirements, NO loyalty Oath and NO assimilation.
4. CHINA - aggressively hacking every computer network in the G20 especially the USA to steal all of our demographic and Intellectual property so they can not only compete against the USA - but CRUSH our ability to oppose their colonization and control of the worlds resources including North America. Obama himself is not only ignoring the above but arrogantly demanding fast track trade authority so he can cram the TPP Trans Pacific partnership down the Americans throats under dark of night in the cloak of secrecy - If this bill and NAFTA on trans pacific steroids is so good for Americans that why not let it stand scrutiny of the light of day? Leaks basically give lopsided control of US China trade so they can open factories manned by CHINESE workers with family back home so they can be controlled. in North America with cheap local access to the massive inexpensive to tap US Energy Reserves (relative to deep ocean drilling in the South China Sea) that China simply does not have and needs.
5. Russia in retaliation for sanctions is encouraging its best and brightest STEM grads to actively hack and steal the identities of most Americans - over 4 Million Federal Employees from the central OPM database and worse over 100 Million "FULLZ" health care accounts in major BCBS providers nationwide - this means YOU or somebody close to and related to you can expect massive Indentity Theft Fraud, IRS Tax Refund fraud, and ACA/Medicare/Medicaid claims fraud and even fraudulent issuance of new Credit Lines not to mention fruadulent real estate transfers soon. Russian and Ukrainian organized crime bring people here on vacations where they work as much fraud as they can for 90 to 180 days or more - the time it takes for anti fraud law enforcement to get a clue to their crimes (Let you miss one quarterly business IRS Tax payment and they will seize your accounts yet organized EE crime syndicates runs amok.
As soon as these Crime-trepreneurs bag a few millions and split it with their syndicate bosses they vanish collapsing their shell companies and leaving no trace as they disappear in offshore money laundry havens and make their way to their FSU allied no extradition countries - Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, SEA etc., and eventually back home to enjoy their massive tax free ill gotten gains.
Why? Obama's core urban and liberals SJW base in the USA has no jobs and is barely surviving on myriad government programs so Obama now sees his future depends upon cramming through TPP under dark of night so he can then get legal donations to his Library and OUI Obama Universal Initiative foundations plus huge Speaking fees from foreign entities instructing them how to continue to rape and destroy America and its dwindling middle class.
The Idea the Main Madness Media and the haters are calling the One Man a CLOWN who has amassed a diversified near $10 Billion after tax fortune with out being assassinated by the IRS, NSA, CIA or the MOB or Mexican and Chinese and ISIS agents and calls them all out for their high crimes and treason against America and calling out the current Administration for allowing five major active wars against the USA is laudable (ISIS, China, Drugs, Illegal immigrants and Russia full circle crime syndicates).
Being patriotic while calling all of the Traitors out on the mass media carpet he manipulates at will - will likely earn Donald Trump my highly sought after independent military veteran New Hampshire first in the USA vote.
Even after I have donated $50 to both Rand and Ron Pauls campaign and PACs respectively.
Trump/Oprah - the man does know how to phuck with the Media... in one fell swoop he counters the media hate - how can they hate him when he is pro Oprah - a so called self made media whoring Billionairess in the Trump mold.
No hate here JUST a strong dose of REALITY in the Obamanating decay of America - Enjoy the Decline - is Trump right is the American dream dead for all of US?
May be time to find a low tax non repressive tropical haven that the Chinese and ISIS have not targeted for takeover perhaps URUGUAY or Cambodia anyone?
(06-18-2015 01:59 PM)Sonsowey Wrote: I'm surprised so many people are calling Trump "a clown".
I get it in a way but he's just considered "a clown" because he has opinions and voices them which are not the trendy opinions approved by the schools/government/media. Anyone who voices opinions that are not the trendy ones gets made fun of in the media.
Any candidate who does NOT get railed by the media is by definition mouthing the precisely appropriate, pre-approved, school/government/media sanctioned positions of the time.
If a group of four talking heads on CNN get together and all agree that what Candidate X says is totally reasonable, you should in no way think that this is true. Just know they're all on the same team, and that team is not your team.
Would Trump be a better President than Bush, Clinton, Rubio? I have no idea, but these people all seem equally clownish. The obvious difference is they have been training for this for years, and thus know that they should only have trendy opinions. Trump dares to say some things he "shouldn't" say, and thus is not a "good" politician because he doesn't bullshit people and lie to them so that they like him.
I doubt anyone like him would win but I certainly would be more upset if we ended up with Bush or Clinton than if we ended up with Trump.
(07-03-2015 10:17 AM)Samseau Wrote: It's a joke that people say Trump can't win as if Jeb Bush could win. No one is gonna vote for a Bush.
(07-06-2015 02:15 PM)scorpion Wrote:
(07-06-2015 12:50 PM)Samseau Wrote: At this rate Trump is going to crush the primaries like Cantor got crushed in VA. Establishment Republicans think they have everything under control when in fact they are about to get assraped.
If Trump is really serious about running (which still remains to be seen) then I agree he has a very real shot at winning the Republican primary. The media and the GOP leadership are completely out of touch with the base of the Republican party on the issue of immigration. Every other candidate has totally sold out on immigration, so literally all Trump has to do is continue with his real talk and refuse to back down and he's going to draw a sizable share of the electorate. The key to Trump's appeal is understanding just how badly the GOP base has been sold out by its leadership. The average Republican views a border fence and an immigration crackdown as simple common sense measures that are badly overdue. Not only is no other candidate besides Trump voicing these concerns, everyone else is literally going in the opposite direction, bending over backwards toward the left. It's absolutely sickening.
I predict that if Trump actually continues as a serious candidate, literally the entire Republican establishment (meaning every other candidate and the party itself) along with the media will line up against him and attempt to destroy his candidacy (perhaps by excluding him from debates and the media refusing to cover him). If they can't force him out of the race after this and he continues to lead in the polls, they will pull some shenanigans to force him out of the party and off the ballot by claiming that he is a racist or something along those lines. If this happens, Trump will run as an independent and siphon off half of the Republican vote, resulting in an easy Democratic win. The anger from the right if this happened would probably destroy the GOP and result in the emergence of true right-wing nationalist party.
I hope Trump reconsiders his view on the no-fly list - it's a violation of due process rights and obviously a tool to arbitrarily revoke people's 2A for no good reason.
Trump is apparently meeting with the NRA on this issue, hopefully he comes out of that with a renewed position.
This is by far the biggest issue for me that I hope he changes on, I can live with the red meat talk on torture and spying.
"Are you going to talk or are you going to yell? Are you going to talk or are you going to yell?"
Masterful frame control from the sixteen year old. Always remember to not try and "debate" with these emotional idiots, or at least force them to calm down and cut out the insults first.
(06-16-2016 11:11 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote: I hope Trump reconsiders his view on the no-fly list - it's a violation of due process rights and obviously a tool to arbitrarily revoke people's 2A for no good reason.
Trump is apparently meeting with the NRA on this issue, hopefully he comes out of that with a renewed position.
Agree. I read a good suggestion on this topic, namely that people on watch lists should be placed on a 72 hour hold when buying a gun, which gives the alphabet soup agencies time to either put up or shut up. If a dude is so dangerous that he's barred from flying and denied his constitutional rights to purchase firearms, then either arrest him and place him in front of a court so he has his due process, or else lay off him and let him go about his fucking business.
The last thing we want is for anti-American fucks that comprise 99% of the Federal Government to have the power to arbitrarily suspend constitutional rights by placing their political enemies/white males on Stasi type secret lists.
(06-16-2016 11:11 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote: I hope Trump reconsiders his view on the no-fly list - it's a violation of due process rights and obviously a tool to arbitrarily revoke people's 2A for no good reason.
Trump is apparently meeting with the NRA on this issue, hopefully he comes out of that with a renewed position.
Agree. I read a good suggestion on this topic, namely that people on watch lists should be placed on a 72 hour hold when buying a gun, which gives the alphabet soup agencies time to either put up or shut up. If a dude is so dangerous that he's barred from flying and denied his constitutional rights to purchase firearms, then either arrest him and place him in front of a court so he has his due process, or else lay off him and let him go about his fucking business.
The last thing we want is for anti-American fucks that comprise 99% of the Federal Government to have the power to arbitrarily suspend constitutional rights by placing their political enemies/white males on Stasi type secret lists.
and if no one at the NRA points out the above to trump, they are a worthless organization themselves.
That's already known. I've heard of at least once instance where the NRA opposed a rule they lobbied for because they were worried donation would dry up.
(06-16-2016 07:41 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote: I was despairing about the coming youth, but that video just cheered me the fuck up. Mainly because he's standing on facts against the narrative that I've been force-fed the past 30 years. That's a smart young man that'll hopefully never ever switch to something like BLM. More of this please.
You can see the big gay dude's face start melting as he grasps for straws.
Lots of young people are influenced by media, virtual signaling, and group think, they fear a lot being outcast by friends, is way safer to support Hillary or Berney than face the social backlash of being a Trump supporter, remember many are finishing high schools or in college, they do not want to be "literally Hitler" supporter.
I was talking to younger girl I know a few months ago who originally a Bernie supporters but jumped over to Trump after it became clear Bernie wasn't going to pull it out. Some highlights:
- "If you're a teenager that supports Trump, you're practically frowned upon. So I just don't support him openly"
- "I can never bring up my support of Trump in front of my friends cause they'll get asshurt"
- "I ask my friends why they hate Trump and the only thing they can say is "He's an asshole"
Also a few lines from the conversation not related to Trump directly but serves as a good illustration of why some younger people are gravitating towards him
- "One of my friends is mixed and the other is black and they're like "I'm proud to be Haitian/Dominican/black and I'm just here thinking 'I'm proud to be a white American' but I can't say it out loud"
- "I did bring up last week to my friends about how if I said to you guys "I'm proud to be white" how selfish and narcissistic it would seem"
- "I'm kind of sick of the Black Lives Matter thing"
Quote:“Trump’s lawyer then changed tactics, lobbing insults and threatening a lawsuit if a story was published. ‘I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know,’ Cohen said. ‘So I’m warning you, tread very fucking lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand me?’ ‘You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it, with the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up…for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet…you’re going to have judgments against you, so much money, you’ll never know how to get out from underneath it,’ he added.” [Daily Beast, 7/27/15]
fucking nuked.
way too much effort in that document to not be legit.
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Had to quote for people who didn't see this savage letter.
On the NRA, when it comes to Watchlists, the NRA is adamant about due process being respected. We cannot have a punative list where someone is put on it without any sort of court proceedings and a fair trial.
Trump's tweet about this was ambiguous because you can only print 160 characters. Plus, he loves controversy. But given the NRA's published position being to support due process, I think it's 99% certain it will be the position Trump takes.