(03-22-2016 04:33 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Excuse me? I was being polite, walking away from pointless discussion with a disingenuous man mischaracterizing my point. Why are you continuing this, especially in this tone?
(03-22-2016 07:12 AM)Going strong Wrote: If Salah Abdeslam, arrested 2 days ago, had been quickly water-boarded, 30 lives would have been saved.
Terrorists have to be seriously (enhanced) interrogated.
The French did this in Algeria and although they won the war they were politically forced to surrender.
Our problems lie deep.
We did win the Algerian war on the ground (well, general Bigeard - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Bigeard - himself a staunch defender of enhanced-interrogations, and, matter of fact, some of my family members, did), and partly thanks to enhanced-interrogations.
At the time, terrorists were throwing grenades in caffes and cinema halls. When the French police or military caught a suspect, he was enhanced-interrogated, and it worked 99% of the times, I have direct testimony on that. It was not usually waterboarding at the time, but anyway...
I repeat it, any caught terrorist has to be enhanced-interrogated, quickly! Safety of societies command it!
Edit: it is relevant to this thread because D. Trump himself defended the use of waterboarding against islamist terrorist leaders...
Scott Adams remarked that Trump made his prognostications expecting that further attacks would happen and essentially moved to dominate that space prior to their happening.
Sadly, both have been proven right. And the year is just getting started.
With regards to interrogation China and Russia do it the right way. When shit likes this goes down they already have a short list of suspects because of constant surveillance and files on prominent islamists and their meeting points.
Then they send the blacked out vans with military special ops in the middle of the night to throw bags over the heads of everyone that's even remotely linked. They are then driven out to a rural area somewhere and a party involving boards, rubber batons, and cold water happens all night until verifiable facts are revealed.
Then the additonal suspects are rounded up and sent to trial where they are processed assembly line like until the end where they get the magic bullet to the back of the head. Sometimes when Russian Alpha group visits the terrorists simply "disappear" in the woods forever.
Also, even if they get it wrong sometimes the harsh response is enough of a deterance that the head imam shit stirrers go out of their way to temper the response of the more extremist groups sometimes because they know anyone even tangentially connected (and their relatives) might still get a night at the party house.
Those horrible yet predictable attacks in Brussels will likely have some sort of impact on votes tomorrow and further down the track. I think Trump will hit 50% in Arizona. Utah is obviously cucked but stopping Cruz from hitting 50 would be massive.
Meanwhile, Barry is happily watching a baseball game in a banana-communist island... has the man time for solving real world problems? Get us Trump NOW!!
I was also disgusted by Trump's cucking at AIPAC, but thinking about it - it was a smart move.
Almost half (maybe more) of the American people are misinformed, swayed by hasbara, or are full blown cucks for Israel. This includes a large part of Donald Trump supporters. For a sample, take a look at Breitbart comments whenever the topic is Iran or Israel.
When I observed the "protest" at Trump Tower on Saturday, I saw pro-Palestine signs. So we see that the left is in some way drifting from Israeli interests. Another telling indication was the huge cheer that Trump got when he mentioned that this was "Obama's last year in office." Watch it again, it was the biggest pop of the speech.
The pro-Israel side is rapidly losing control of the left. SJWism is in some ways antithetical to them, even though Jews were crucial in propagating that ideology.
Ultimately for the time being we can simply follow Law 2: Never Put Too Much Trust in Friends, Learn How to Use Enemies.
So let's use the Israel lobby for nationalism and realigning the GOP. Ultimately those guys are all nationalists, just not for anyone else but Israel.
To defeat a conventional enemy, you compromise its territory.
Bomb factories, cut off roads, sever trade routes, occupy cities.
To defeat a hidden and decentralised enemy, you have to compromise the people involved.
Torture is simply the only weapon there is. Prisons have muslim gangs, and death is considered martyrdom.
Compromise them with torture, and then they are cut off from the people they betrayed, and more hidden territory is mapped.
Advancement becomes possible.
Of course, the single biggest problem is border control and immigration.
The real way to cut Western-based terrorism off is simply to end their supply of recruits.
Trump is a saint for bringing this to the world stage.
(03-22-2016 12:15 PM)Requiem Wrote: It's been a while since I have opposed such popular views here, but I feel like it's time for me to say something again. So be prepared, it won't be a nice reading. I'm prepared to get called a leftist SJW:
(03-21-2016 10:08 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote: Christians need allies right now to go against the Muzzzies, and it's OK to have the Jews on our side because at least our societies are more compatible. I think the smartest thing right now is to join together to fight a common threat, and then reassess our relationship afterwards.
You're falling right into the Zionist trap. They make you believe the Muslims were your enemies so you should ally with the Jews in order to kill the Muslims. What is the Israeli part in this? Using some of the military equipment you donate to them and blowing it from afar on some desert-dudes with a rocket launcher. The dirty work will always be done by you. The scheme is simple - Step 1: Let the Gentiles (Christians and Muslims) fight against each others; Step 2: profit. Divide and conquer. That's always been their game and I'm astonished by how well it's still working. Aren't people able to see through the scheme by now?
Israel is the country that's having issues with Muslim countries, not the US/Europe. It simply isn't our problem, although many have been convinced it was.
Yes, I know about Paris. I know about Brussels, San Bernadino, etc. I don't want Muslims to come here for a number of reasons, including the fact that some are likely going to detonate. But this doesn't prove that "we're at war with Islam". There are radicals amongst every people, just some are put into a situation where they don't have much to lose (by constantly bombing their countries and funding terrorists), then provoked and stoked, provided with knowledge/equipment and possibly allowed to operate. If Europe would bomb Israel, kill many of their citizens, occupy them, make their infrastructure and economy collapse, then leave and provide the most angry Jews among them with weapons and money - do you really believe, there wouldn't be Jews blowing stuff up?
You know, I've read a couple of times here how Germans can't be let to themselves because they always go to extremes. Regardless of what I think of such statements or the members posting them, let's not get ahead of yourselves and believe you guys are completely immune to this. To me it seems like many here also think in absolutes that don't match reality. I too don't want to have Muslims in Europe or America. But I also don't want the Jews.
Do you even have a plan for your "fight against the Muzzies"?
Here's the deal: Muslims have a problem with Israel. Whether that is justified or not (it is) is a topic for another discussion. Muslims hate the West because we support Israel and blow up their countries, not "because our freedumbs". The more you bomb them, the more radicals you produce (they hate you for ruining their lives and killing their relatives/countrymen AND they don't have anything to lose anymore because you took it all). So you're basically left with only two options: A) genocide every Muslim alive or B) don't bomb their countries anymore, protect your borders (especially until they've calmed down) and leave Israhell to the wolves.
The only thing thats SJW about your post, is the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to believe in and explain your 'zionist trap' theory.
It's much simpler than that. Islam has been at war with Europe and the rest of the world for 1400 years.
It is written into their holy books from the beginning to forcibly convert others into Islam.
Unless for some unlikely reason there is an huge reformation this will not change.
Even if Jews were trying to get Muslims and Christians to fight each other, or support Jews against Muslims or something like that, it's irrelevant. Islam has always been at war against the world.
That said, I don't think mass genocide of 1.6 billion muslims is a good or realistic option. I don't know exactly what can be done about it. However I think closed borders, closed mosques, and other measures to discourage Islam from being practised would be a good start.