Post: #26

Dallas area member here. The pool party video is getting a lot of commentary. Some are saying the girl in video was a part of a fight. I can't confirm just yet.

However, I'll say this... I have unfortunately had many interactions with local police through the years, and none of them have acted in this way. In my experience, Dallas area police are very lenient if you are not being charged with anything. They don't chase kids jumping over the fence or any of that nonsense. They are solving the problem they received over the radio.

The officers here are escalating the mob, in my opinion. Whenever house parties gets busted... especially one like a pool party, in most cases they simply confiscate or pour out beer/ liquor and tell people to go home. I think that would have easily worked here.

Maybe McKinney has taken an historic turn for the worse in violent crime that I don't know about, but it's not exactly Beirut. These are primarily kids in swimsuits, if what they are doing is against the rules (HOA or otherwise), just tell them to break it up and go home. End of story.

But no, we got Rambo rolling through the bermuda and then drawing his weapon trying to be a badass and making everyone nervous.

I normally give benefit of the doubt to LEO, but give me a break. These officers were looking to be afraid for no reason.

Post: #27

(06-07-2015 07:56 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  You sound like a woman with your shaming tactics.

You are what you eat.

Post: #28

Holy fuck... that pointless tactical roll at the start of the video.



American police in a nutshell.

Unrelated, but check out these cops in Florida playing G.I. Joe with taxpayer money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZqCqHKV08E

Kid was a twat for flipping off the police and deserved to be scolded a bit (not to have a fake sex crime put on his record), but I would love to hear anyone's defense of their vehicle and attire. These guys want to be soldiers so badly...

Post: #29

(06-07-2015 07:56 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:50 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Here's what happened that got the police called in.

Fat broads causing problems as usual.

How convenient that this was left out of the original video, which claims that the cops showed up because a racist neighbor called them.



Also that "tactical roll" was perhaps the funniest recover from tripping I've ever seen in my life. Fucking hilarious.

Post: #30

(06-07-2015 08:07 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  Kid was a twat for flipping off the police and deserved to be scolded a bit (not to have a fake sex crime put on his record), but I would love to hear anyone's defense of their vehicle and attire. These guys want to be soldiers so badly...

Many of them are ex-soldiers.

(06-07-2015 07:50 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Here's what happened that got the police called in.

Well we don't know the extent to what was happening before the police show up. Even more stuff could've went down not shown in this video.

If this video is what cause the police to show up I don't think it's useful to have the cops come in to handle a fight that's already ended, as the fight in the video seemed to be over. Who knows if more happened though.

It's not just about whether or not the call to the police was racially motivated, but if their handling of the situation once called was appropriate. I'm not sure if race is that important to the fundamental problem of the video, which is how cops are trained to handle kids in swimwear.

Post: #31

SunW, it's nice to have a new member with guns blazing trying to be a big shot. Keep doing it buddy.

Gus, the thing is Dallas cops deal with worse stuff on good day so they are rational. McKinney on the other hand, it's like little miss daily walking her poodle. I have a friend who's a cop with Mac town and he admits to getting bored and when something comes up... They want to play and over react. Sort of like the Murphy cops who don't have experience being wannabe swat members when the "to catch a predator" episodes took place. That ended badly.

Anti, are you a cop? I know you said something law enforcement before.

Post: #32

(06-07-2015 08:11 PM)Sir Vigorous Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:07 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  Kid was a twat for flipping off the police and deserved to be scolded a bit (not to have a fake sex crime put on his record), but I would love to hear anyone's defense of their vehicle and attire. These guys want to be soldiers so badly...

Many of them are ex-soldiers.

(06-07-2015 07:50 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Here's what happened that got the police called in.

Well we don't know the extent to what was happening before the police show up. Even more stuff could've went down not shown in this video.

If this video is what cause the police to show up I don't think it's useful to have the cops come in to handle a fight that's already ended, as the fight in the video seemed to be over. Who knows if more happened though.

It's not just about whether or not the call to the police was racially motivated, but if their handling of the situation once called was appropriate. I'm not sure if race is that important to the fundamental problem of the video, which is how cops are trained to handle kids in swimwear.

Agreed. The one cop made the situation worse because he was pissed off that he fell and some of the kids ran.

When the kids didn't do what he told them to and started the typical whining instead of shutting the hell up and sitting there he got even more angry. Unprofessional on his end, but understandable. Teenagers are stupid and they could've gotten out of the situation if they just sat down, behaved and didn't say a word. Instead they get dramatic and mouth off. Trying to explain anything to someone so amped up is not going to work.

Post: #33

(06-07-2015 08:07 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  Holy fuck... that pointless tactical roll at the start of the video.



American police in a nutshell.

Unrelated, but check out these cops in Florida playing G.I. Joe with taxpayer money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZqCqHKV08E

Kid was a twat for flipping off the police and deserved to be scolded a bit (not to have a fake sex crime put on his record), but I would love to hear anyone's defense of their vehicle and attire. These guys want to be soldiers so badly...

Police forces across the country are being donated military equipment from the Pentagon that is no longer needed after the downsizing in Iraq. This is essentially turning local police departments into paramilitary forces. My only guess as to why is for greater intimidation factor. What is the point of wearing camouflage in an urban environment? With all these cool new toys from the military they are probably anxious to go out and use them.

Post: #34

Nope, not a cop.

Also, there is absolutely no need for for full on tactical vehicles on everyday patrol. I've never even see that shit. Could be just some swat team training or something. Of course they would have tactical vehicles, they are tactical teams. But that video where the kid gets a ticket from an uparmored battle bus is extreme.

Post: #35

Cattle, I don't fuck with DPD. Ever. My experience is with the North Dallas (Addison/Lewisville/Plano) and Mid-Cities suburbs. From the 2006-2013 range they were very easy going. I was also very balanced in my responses, and didn't give them a reason to press. My first thought was "I bet they were just well trained and bored."

Post: #36

Man, there was this Dallas sheriff in mesquite the other day at lubys. That bitch was ghetto, I could not understand one word that are out of her mouth.

Dallas cops "get it" but at the same time they can get real pretty quick. Suburban cops are for the most part aggressive but can tone it down, the opposite. Dps troopers vary by region....theres one dick head that I trolled on FB after he pulled me over.

Where in Dallas are you in?

Post: #37

Ha I can completely understand your point of view there.

My rule for Dallas is this: You need a place to crash. You need a driver. If you don't have a driver, you get UBER/Taxi. If none of these options are available or you can't secure paratrooper status early on, you pull your girl back to your neighborhood. If that can't be done, you number close, and get the fuck out of Dodge before 12:30am. NEVER leave a Dallas/ Addison bar behind the wheel at 2:05am. Just my policy.

Not giving you hell, but why were you at a Luby's? That's just, damn. Not good. I'm sure you had your reasons.

Post: #38

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

(06-07-2015 07:41 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Yes, people recognize the threat police are under which is why they wear body armor and why the cop survived. Most civilians don't expect to be shot and wear body armor.

But given your views about cops, should we? Seriously, are you making the argument that shooting a fat guy with a screwdriver was not a over use of force. This goes back to the ridiculousness that we need to protect ourselves from the cops.

I've had cops pull guns on me when I've opened my garage door and had 3 lazer sights on me. If i flinched, i would have been dead because one guy got a trigger finger.

I'm going to back up what SunW posted here and say, that you left out "fat guy with a screwdriver" did not comply with the orders of the police. He did not drop the screwdriver and he stepped out of the doorway towards the cops. It's hard to tell according to the video if he waved the screwdriver at them but stepping toward them with the tool can be considered and aggressive move.

Throwing in comments that the guy was "fat" or just "holding" the screwdriver are done to try and sway readers.

Post: #39

(06-07-2015 11:03 PM)dark_g Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

(06-07-2015 07:41 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Yes, people recognize the threat police are under which is why they wear body armor and why the cop survived. Most civilians don't expect to be shot and wear body armor.

But given your views about cops, should we? Seriously, are you making the argument that shooting a fat guy with a screwdriver was not a over use of force. This goes back to the ridiculousness that we need to protect ourselves from the cops.

I've had cops pull guns on me when I've opened my garage door and had 3 lazer sights on me. If i flinched, i would have been dead because one guy got a trigger finger.

I'm going to back up what SunW posted here and say, that you left out "fat guy with a screwdriver" did not comply with the orders of the police. He did not drop the screwdriver and he stepped out of the doorway towards the cops. It's hard to tell according to the video if he waved the screwdriver at them but stepping toward them with the tool can be considered and aggressive move.

Throwing in comments that the guy was "fat" or just "holding" the screwdriver are done to try and sway readers.

The bitch shrieking over and over after dummy got a couple of slugs shows how women go into a crazy subroutine when something happens they cant handle. In the old days a woman would be slapped hard for.that shit.

Post: #40

(06-07-2015 11:30 PM)rpg Wrote:  The bitch shrieking over and over after dummy got a couple of slugs shows how women go into a crazy subroutine when something happens they cant handle. In the old days a woman would be slapped hard for.that shit.

Since my name is on this thread, I'd like to put this out there: I disagree with this statement. I have not agreed with several of the things you have said on this forum, but all good until now, with respect. Different strokes for different folks is fine, but your statement here is in poor taste. We are better than this and you know it.

Gus

Post: #41

(06-07-2015 11:03 PM)dark_g Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

(06-07-2015 07:41 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Yes, people recognize the threat police are under which is why they wear body armor and why the cop survived. Most civilians don't expect to be shot and wear body armor.

But given your views about cops, should we? Seriously, are you making the argument that shooting a fat guy with a screwdriver was not a over use of force. This goes back to the ridiculousness that we need to protect ourselves from the cops.

I've had cops pull guns on me when I've opened my garage door and had 3 lazer sights on me. If i flinched, i would have been dead because one guy got a trigger finger.

I'm going to back up what SunW posted here and say, that you left out "fat guy with a screwdriver" did not comply with the orders of the police. He did not drop the screwdriver and he stepped out of the doorway towards the cops. It's hard to tell according to the video if he waved the screwdriver at them but stepping toward them with the tool can be considered and aggressive move.

Throwing in comments that the guy was "fat" or just "holding" the screwdriver are done to try and sway readers.

No those statements are important because it is an out of shape guy who has a screwdriver. Not a gun, not a knife, not a saw, a screwdriver. This is one step above a fork or spoon being called a deadly weapon. You can try and make this situation out into enemy insurgents in the dangerous warzone, but its not.

Not everything has to be trigger finger reaction death sentence when the guy doesn't react the very second an issue is ordered with a stupid tool. Again, situation assessment.

The reality is you have 2 in shape guys against a person who would have a difficult time charging up a flight of stairs. Yes he has the potential to be a danger to the cops but it was not likely to be deadly. Is it so hard to take a few steps back, talk him down with his mom; or kick him the gut; or if necessary shoot a leg?

There is zero willingness to wait more than one second or two before an unresponded order leads to a death sentence. There was one guy recently who was shot because he didn't hear the cops tell him to freeze when he had his headphones on.

It's getting crazy so much power is given to people who would barely pass high school with a C+ (avg cop IQ is like 100-110).

The fact you expect to always follow a police officer no matter how wrong he is, is the definition of what a police state is. One day, when you are holding that dangerous screwdriver working on the fence, or god forbid a spoon, and respond too slowly for a cop because you didn't hear him or react fast enough, I think you'll appreciate how dangerous your ideas about cops' methods are.

Post: #42

How many times do we need to debunk the 'you could just shoot him in the leg!!!11!!!' myth?

Even suggesting that assures everyone else that you have no legitimate knowledge or experience regarding guns and dangerous situations.

Going close quarters even with an out of shape guy with a screwdriver is pretty dangerous. A screwdriver might as well be knife. And a knife/screwdriver can easily beat a gun when you're only meters apart.

If you want an example of tactical over-exuberance, check out the video of the police shooting the camping homeless man in the back as he turns to run away from the police in NM.

Post: #43

I think the real question here is why all of a sudden, in the last 2 years is this agenda being pushed by the main stream media?

Cops are probably about as friendly and easy to get along with as ever before. Granted there are a lot of traffic violation tickets being written to help fund local municipalities during the borderline economic depression we are suffering under. So that gives the police a bad name, being used to impose hidden taxes. But with all the cell phone cameras and scrutiny on police, I would say on average they are far more caring and friendly to the average citizen than ever before.

I would say there are two major reasons this is being pushed by the main stream media so hard...

#1) The middle class is almost dead and the American dream along with it. People are frustrated. They are working 2 and 3 jobs just to put food on the table. And they don't know who to blame. Democrats blame Republicans for spending way too much on military to police the entire world. Republicans blame Democrats for anti-business regulations, flooding the country with low wage workers during an economic crisis, and pushing kick dad out of the house. Both are correct. So who is to blame? Those pulling their strings in this never ending battle on the middle class. How to these elites stay hidden? By using the media outlets they own to push agenda that continue to divide the lower and middle classes and allow them to fight it out with each other.

#2) A push for a nationalized police force. This would be a way for the elites to truly push a police state on the US citizen. If you think police are brutal/bad/stupid right now, then you have not seen anything yet. A national police force will make today's police look like Angels.

Post: #44

(06-08-2015 01:49 AM)cibo Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 11:03 PM)dark_g Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

(06-07-2015 07:41 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Yes, people recognize the threat police are under which is why they wear body armor and why the cop survived. Most civilians don't expect to be shot and wear body armor.

But given your views about cops, should we? Seriously, are you making the argument that shooting a fat guy with a screwdriver was not a over use of force. This goes back to the ridiculousness that we need to protect ourselves from the cops.

I've had cops pull guns on me when I've opened my garage door and had 3 lazer sights on me. If i flinched, i would have been dead because one guy got a trigger finger.

I'm going to back up what SunW posted here and say, that you left out "fat guy with a screwdriver" did not comply with the orders of the police. He did not drop the screwdriver and he stepped out of the doorway towards the cops. It's hard to tell according to the video if he waved the screwdriver at them but stepping toward them with the tool can be considered and aggressive move.

Throwing in comments that the guy was "fat" or just "holding" the screwdriver are done to try and sway readers.

No those statements are important because it is an out of shape guy who has a screwdriver. Not a gun, not a knife, not a saw, a screwdriver. This is one step above a fork or spoon being called a deadly weapon. You can try and make this situation out into enemy insurgents in the dangerous warzone, but its not.

Not everything has to be trigger finger reaction death sentence when the guy doesn't react the very second an issue is ordered with a stupid tool. Again, situation assessment.

The reality is you have 2 in shape guys against a person who would have a difficult time charging up a flight of stairs. Yes he has the potential to be a danger to the cops but it was not likely to be deadly. Is it so hard to take a few steps back, talk him down with his mom; or kick him the gut; or if necessary shoot a leg?

There is zero willingness to wait more than one second or two before an unresponded order leads to a death sentence. There was one guy recently who was shot because he didn't hear the cops tell him to freeze when he had his headphones on.

It's getting crazy so much power is given to people who would barely pass high school with a C+ (avg cop IQ is like 100-110).

The fact you expect to always follow a police officer no matter how wrong he is, is the definition of what a police state is. One day, when you are holding that dangerous screwdriver working on the fence, or god forbid a spoon, and respond too slowly for a cop because you didn't hear him or react fast enough, I think you'll appreciate how dangerous your ideas about cops' methods are.

A few thoughts:

Firstly, a screw driver is a deadly weapon. If you don't think so, you are naive. A kid I used to box with in a rough London gym, who was a serious prospect, got stabbed multiple times with a screw driver, collapsing his lung, perforating his spleen and rupturing his bowels. His life was permanently changed, and he was lucky to survive. To me a man armed with a screw driver is a deadly threat, and I personally would treat him as one. Everyone who is saying 'oh I'd just step back, or I'd just over power him' is is incredibly naive and clearly has extremely limited experience of life threatening situations. A large, mentally ill bloke, who may not respond to pain the same way a normal person would, who may be less receptive to reason, comes at you with a deadly weapon - I'd shoot, and make sure I was the one going home to my wife and kids (or to my beer, curry and Xhamster). Seriously, as you'll see from the following, I'm no fan or lover of the police, but sometimes it really is as simple as 'why should I let this fucker stab me if I don't have to?'. Shooting to wound, as someone suggested, when you have a deadly threat in front of you, is how you end up the dead one. You have no idea if that fucker is hopped up on PCP or meth, and impervious to pain, and you may only get one shot.

Secondly, if you do not already, you should view any police situation as a highly dangerous, potentially life altering situation. When they initially come for you, they have ALL of the power. The word of two police officers, against one bloke, will always win in court. Do not give them a reason to falsify a report, or fuck you up and claim self-defense. However big and strong and well trained you are, when the police come for you, you are the weaker party, and your target outcome is to survive that initial contact having sustained as little damage as possible.

For that reason, the only things you should say on initial contact are a very clear, uncorruptable list of facts, and the word 'lawyer'. Eg. 'I was threatened by this man, I informed him I was threatened by his behaviour, he raised his fist to strike me, I acted in self-defence, I would like to speak to my lawyer before I discuss the matter any further'. And then shut the fuck up until you're speaking to your lawyer. Be polite, SURVIVE the initial contact, do not give them cause to make life difficult for you, DO NOT provide them with rope to hang you with by answering ANY further questions. 'I'm sorry officer, this is an unamiliar situation, I am unwilling to answer any questions until I have someone familiar with the process to advise me'. Once you are in the system, and have a lawyer present, then you can fight back, and look to do damage of your own.

You should not run from the police at the point they show up. If you're trying to avoid them, you should be doing it ahead of time. On contact do NOT incriminate yourself further. Even the arsehole cops aren't going to be able to make your life very difficult if you are polite and obliging. You have to bite your tongue and ride it out, and then fuck them up in the court system, or accept the loss. But you simply cannot win that first contact, so be smart and pick your battles. Present facts in a clear and favourable way, but do not answer any attempts to make you clarify, or go into detail. Know what you are going to say in advance, how you are presenting limited facts to enure you appear from the outset to have acted lawfully, and say only that. The Police look for inconsistencies, often between multiple interviews, and want to catch you out. Even the good ones have quotas to meet, and while they may not want to convict the innocent, they do want you to be guilty of what they've arrested you for.

This is not an unreasonable position on their part. They largely deal with hostile scumbags. It is reasonable that they should over, rather than under, react, because it might be the difference between them surviving or not. You cannot expect (in reality) that they be unaffected and untainted by their experience. You can only conduct yourself in a way that allows you to win on a longer timeline.

Post: #45

The real troublemaker is whoever is giving black girls legal advice. Here is what happened:

Cop: EVERYONE GET DOWN
Black Boys: *sit the fuck down*

Cop: GET OUT OF HERE LADIES
African American Female Harvard Law Grads: YOU CAN'T TELL US WHAT THE FUCK TO DO, DON'T TOUCH ME, I'M TELLING MY MAMA

Black girls just need to learn to listen and shut the fuck up when shit like this happens. Unfortunately, they're raised to believe that NO MAN CAN TELL THEM NOTHING. Their dumb moms tell them "NEVER LET NO MAN TOUCH YOU, NO COP ALLOWED TO TOUCH YOU OR SAY ANYTHING". It is the most undeserved sense of entitlement I've ever seen. What in the name of god makes her think she can talk to ANY MAN, let alone a police officer, like that? I know that cop was acting over the top, but I'm sick of this shit with black girls.

(06-07-2015 07:53 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  SunW is probably a troll paid by the police Union to defend any police criticism.

A lot of political entities do this. The Chinese the Russians, the US military. I'm not surprised if the fraternal police order had a secret Internet troll bunker as part of its PR division.

If I'm violating any of the rules of this forum, by all means, point them out.

You're making an accusation without evidence. Suppose that I said you're probably a criminal who enjoys killing people and breaking the law, like many in Baltimore, who used the Freddie incident to get the cops out of their area so they could commit crimes freely. The problem? I have no evidence for either of those assertions. I may disagree with you, but that doesn't mean I should accuse you of something without evidence.

I know this may come as a shock to you, so I suggest you sit down. Some Americans understand the obedience to authority, especially when it's as simple as "drop that" or "stay there." Heck, even my dog understands these and obeys them. Supporting what police do, as it's not an easy job, does mean that someone is a cop troll (whatever that is). Some of us had parents who took the time to remind us that police don't know whether we are good or bad and it's our responsibility (one of the tenets of Neomasculinity) to ensure that we show police that we are not a threat. Sometimes things are unfair, and the courts are where we fight our case. But, as men we should know and teach others that there is a time and place for everything and why it matters; in tense situations, it's hard for a person to know who's a threat and who is not.

If that makes me a cop troll (again, whatever this means), wow.

I don't disagree with you, but you're diving in the deep end 37 posts in. I'd let this one go.

Post: #46

(06-08-2015 06:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  How many times do we need to debunk the 'you could just shoot him in the leg!!!11!!!' myth?

Even suggesting that assures everyone else that you have no legitimate knowledge or experience regarding guns and dangerous situations.

Going close quarters even with an out of shape guy with a screwdriver is pretty dangerous. A screwdriver might as well be knife. And a knife/screwdriver can easily beat a gun when you're only meters apart.

If you want an example of tactical over-exuberance, check out the video of the police shooting the camping homeless man in the back as he turns to run away from the police in NM.

The guy with the screwdriver appeared to lunge after he was asked to drop it twice. If some guys lunges at me with a screwdriver, and I have a gun, you better believe I'm throwing some hate downrange. Some dudes don't understand that.

It makes me wonder about the applicability of the fight or flight response in given situations. An officer is trained to harness the power of the fight response in a perceived harmful situation. That is what happened in the screwdriver incident. From first warning to shooting was about four seconds. No guns were drawn during the warnings. The time from the perceived lunge to the shooting was almost instantaneous, in that short of time period you react of your instincts not a deliberate plan. You don't think "Well, this guy is a little out of shape. And well....I guess thats a small phillips head, not even a dangerous straight slot....I do have this bullet proof vest on...is it screwdriver proof? I think so....right....I mean if it stops bullets it should stop a screwdriver....but fuck I'm not sure.....I remember them saying something about something about that in the academy....fuck shouldve paid attention. Oh well, back to it. I know all of America is gonna to scrutinize this and call me a racist if I shoot this guy....I don't really understand why, I mean I didn't put the screwdriver in his hand or make his skin black....craziness....maybe they are the ones that are actually racist....oh well, hes still coming at me....let me try to be a nice guy and just shoot him in the leg....well fuck now that I think about it, why don't I just try to graze his leg. Yeah! thats a better non lethal idea, surely America media will thank me for that. Wait! A better idea! How about a warning shot! Then everybody is happy and we can get some caramel machiattos together afterwards! No no no, guns are loud and it will just upset the neighbors. I'll just back peddle and keep asking this guy to drop his screwdriver. I mean, maybe he is just really excited to do some home repairs and didn't hear me the first three times I yelled at him. Yeah, thats it, I'll run around in circles while asking him to drop it. Since I am in better shape than him, he will tire out faster and we can resolve the situation. Then we can go get those caramel machiattos. Fuck man, I really want a caramel machiatto." No, you don't do that. You perceive a threat and you end the threat.

That's why I like these threads. You learn quickly who has any real street experience. Anyone that has spent any time on the street or any life threatening situation knows just how dangerous a screwdriver can be and just how ignorant the "shoot him in the leg" argument is.

Post: #47

Good point dads. Black women are naturally just shit talkers, and very defensive. I honestly think it's something in their DNA, rude ass creatures for the most part.

Another interesting angle, was how the cop purposely picked out the young black males over any other group. The only reason the girl got involved was because she kept running her mouth it seems like. This is why I've always wondered why black women get so involved with these recent police brutality arrests, I mean I get it, they have sons, husbands who are black, but they are never the victims of this shit. I would say police treat black women the same as white/Asian women.

Post: #48

People who say screwdrivers aren't deadly weapons are out of touch with reality. And police always ignore the women in favor of men, police are red pill as it gets.

Post: #49

McKinney is pretty much a spitting image of America as a nation:

White alone, percent, 2010 (a) 74.8% 70.4%
Black or African American alone 10.5% 11.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 0.7% 0.7%
Asian alone, 4.1% 3.8%
Hispanic or Latino 18.6% 37.6%


I'd be very surprised if there are riots in this city. It would have to be the loneliest riots ever.

Just look at the houses it's all middle and upper middle class homes. A pool party involving suburban black kids went bad. Call Will Smith.

I also seriously doubt blacks were being picked on in this higher tier upper/upper middle class neighborhood. Smells of bullshit.

Post: #50

(06-08-2015 08:04 AM)YoungAngel1 Wrote:  Black women are naturally just shit talkers, and very defensive. I honestly think it's something in their DNA, rude ass creatures for the most part.

Just wanted to say that in my opinion this is an unfair generalization. The African girls I met so far were for the most part nice, polite and fun to be around. Admittedly a few were not, but in general I didn´t notice any difference in the prevalence of this behaviour compared to White or Asian women for example. The African-American women I met in Europe did also seldom display this behaviour.
Thus I am quite sure it has not so much to do with DNA, but more with upbringing and culture.