Post: #1

Nobody was killed this time, but I'm sure this is going to blow up regardless:





I try to stay objective and give cops a fair shake as I did with the Michael Brown incident, and not give into knee-jerk SJW narratives without reviewing evidence, but compared to other Western countries, our cops are undeniably aggressive as fuck.

Post: #2

Was that ground roll by the cop at the beginning of the video really necessary?

edit: I think he fell as he was running and it wasn't intentional

Post: #3

Wtf is up with the cop doing a roll in the beginning when no else is around?

The moment I saw that I knew who was going to be the dick.

Post: #4

James Bond wanna-be is probably up for promotion.

Post: #5

No, the cop explains toward the end of the video that the people busted broke the law and got ... busted. You can fall in line with whatever agenda you want, especially those who want lawlessness, like we all now see in Baltimore, but you're doing nothing but serving an agenda that will only make things worse for everyone, especially African Americans.

When a cop shows up, you do exactly as he (or she) says. That is NOT the time and place to fight your case (as Solomon and Paul would advise). And doing anything that appears to be threatening (like running away) immediately gives them a fight response. Even this anti-cop critic admits this after practicing what cops go through; how many of you in this forum have gone through what cops have to go through every day? And yet you criticize? Really? How would you handle a situation where someone runs away, then turns around quickly and shoots you, and ... you're dead. Or how about this? How many of you actually would have seen that coming (luckily, the cop lived)?

As for the girl who got thrown to the ground, I've seen something very similar. A girl I was dating pulled a knife and tried to stab me a few times, luckily failing, and a neighbor, who had heard our fight before called the police. When the police showed up, they initially thought I was the one doing the wrong thing (they later explained this is a default police assumption even though they've seen many situations where the woman was endangering the man's life), yet in a short period of time, the girl I was dating began to give them an attitude and she got arrested (and thrown to the ground by the cops because she refused to comply).

The simple difference was that when they appeared, I immediately showed compliance and she showed an attitude of GTFO my house. If you get away with an attitude, you're getting lucky because eventually it will catch up with you. A cop being present is not a time to fight; you comply, or you will face potentially life-threatening consequences. If you feel something is unfair, you go to court - that is the time to fight.

But go ahead, trash the cops. Just like they did in Baltimore. Just like they did in Ferguson. Are those places better off? Even Roosh seems to realize this (it's seemed to me that Roosh leans more left, but this could be wrong). If you act like a criminal, you will be treated like a criminal (and by the way, there were plenty of African Americans who obeyed in the video who weren't in trouble, so this video proves nothing).

Finally, if you're a cop and reading this (because let's face it many non-members read this forum, or may see this through a shared link), thank you sir or ma'am for your service. I've been pulled over for speeding, admitted what I did wrong and got my tickets. But that was my error and my mistake, not an unfair police force. People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Post: #6

I don't understand what's going on. Did some of the kids take off running when the cops arrived?

Post: #7

^^^

I just have a very hard time believing that if that black girl in the bikini instead looked like Nataly Halloway, she'd have been face down with handcuffs and a knee in her back. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Post: #8

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Post: #9

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Damn, that was hard to watch. Even if you could stretch things and say he lunged forward with the screwdriver and the cops were defending themselves, I couldn't believe the guy was on the ground bleeding to death, unconscious while they are still callously yelling to drop the screwdriver as if he was a threat. That shit is unreal. I'm surprised I never saw this clip before. My heart goes out to that woman, I can only imagine what that was like seeing your son executed right in front of your eyes.

Post: #10

(06-07-2015 07:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Damn, that was hard to watch. Even if you could stretch things and say he lunged forward with the screwdriver and the cops were defending themselves, I couldn't believe the guy was on the ground bleeding to death, unconscious while they are still callously yelling to drop the screwdriver as if he was a threat. That shit is unreal. I'm surprised I never saw this clip before. My heart goes out to that woman, I can only imagine what that was like seeing your son executed right in front of your eyes.

Why the hell did that guy not drop the screwdriver and make a motion to charge at the cops?

Post: #11

I hate when people make things into all or nothing arguments.

You can be for the law and you can also ask the law enforcers be beholden to the same laws. Such as, not shooting unarmed people without good reason or not smashing people's faces into the ground just because they talk lip. These are things that bullies and criminals do. I don't think it's unreasonable to have a police force that upholds the law without beating up unarmed people. Yes, I expect the suspects will sometimes be idiots and talk shit among other things, but the guys with the RESPONSIBILITY to uphold the law should be the better than the criminal. It's sad that we expect a criminal to be more respectful than our police.

Most people are reasonable and understand if you look like you're going to do anything that will endanger the cop he has a right to shoot. What people are getting pissed about is when they escalate the situation themselves with unreasonable use of force and try to fix it by using more force or just fuck someone up because they the cop just didn't like the guy. If the cops just chilled the fuck out and not act like they're always in Iraq and doing barrel rolls when in suburbia, most people would bitch less. I understand you need to take precautions and in areas that have high crime, you need to be on alert. But, let's try to be more situationally aware here and not just throw people around because they didn't respect him enough.

I also find it unreasonable that the response by cops in Baltimore to criticism of how they're policing is to simply to just not do their job. Cops sure don't say it's impossible to follow the law when they arrest people when others make false allegations. People defending the cops' poor behavior by arguing how can they do their job if they make mistakes, are mixing in honest mistakes with brutal and just straight illegal methods of enforcement. This is the same shit I hear when people talk about illegal immigration, some how it gets mixed up with legal immigration.

There are good cops but the police force is so full of bad cops who are protected there needs significant reform of the system.

Quote:A regular refrain from politicians who speak on the issue of police brutality is that bad police officers, be they corrupt or brutal or racist or sexist, are rare. If by rare, we mean that it is rare for a police officer to be convicted for brutality or corruption or anything else, then yes, you are right, convictions are outrageously rare. Only about 1% of police officers who kill someone are ever convicted for misconduct of any kind, even though the evidence routinely and overwhelmingly shows that police misconduct far outpaces convictions.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/15...-to-coast#

Post: #12

SunW is probably a troll paid by the police Union to defend any police criticism.

A lot of political entities do this. The Chinese the Russians, the US military. I'm not surprised if the fraternal police order had a secret Internet troll bunker as part of its PR division.

Post: #13

(06-07-2015 07:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Damn, that was hard to watch. Even if you could stretch things and say he lunged forward with the screwdriver and the cops were defending themselves, I couldn't believe the guy was on the ground bleeding to death, unconscious while they are still callously yelling to drop the screwdriver as if he was a threat. That shit is unreal. I'm surprised I never saw this clip before. My heart goes out to that woman, I can only imagine what that was like seeing your son executed right in front of your eyes.

Why the hell did that guy not drop the screwdriver and make a motion to charge at the cops?

He's mentally ill. The cops were the wrong people to call.

This is nothing new under the sun. We all know that cops are above the law and can get away with whatever they want. The fact that all these things are happening in my city.

Post: #14

Saw this part. The rest just looked like a bunch of entitled kids who think they're allowed to run away from cops.

Post: #15

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

Post: #16

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Yes, people recognize the threat police are under which is why they wear body armor and why the cop survived. Most civilians don't expect to be shot and wear body armor.

But given your views about cops, should we? Seriously, are you making the argument that shooting a fat guy with a screwdriver was not a over use of force. This goes back to the ridiculousness that we need to protect ourselves from the cops.

I've had cops pull guns on me when I've opened my garage door and had 3 lazer sights on me. If i flinched, i would have been dead because one guy got a trigger finger.

Post: #17

I was just in college. One thing I can tell you is black parties had the police called on them instantly all the time. Dealing with the police was part of the plan and budgeted into the cost of a party.

Yeah police were called on white parties as well, but at a much lesser rate and the party could be much louder before cops were involved. Large groups of black people in revelry is considered immediately dangerous.

Post: #18

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

Your un-spun version, sounds worse than my spin. You're actually making the argument thats its ok the shoot a man point blank in the chest because he moved towards you holding a screwdriver. That is madness.

Post: #19

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

SunW, don't try arguing with the anti-cop cheerleaders. They refuse to listen to logic,choosing instead to follow emotion fueled arguments.

Post: #20

Here's what happened that got the police called in.

Post: #21

(06-07-2015 07:48 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  SunW, don't try arguing with the anti-cop cheerleaders. They refuse to listen to logic,choosing instead to follow emotion fueled arguments.

Ugh, I'm anti lethal force, in non lethal situations.

Post: #22

(06-07-2015 07:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why the hell did that guy not drop the screwdriver and make a motion to charge at the cops?

We'll never know. But I'll say this, if I had a gun on me and a guy with a screwdriver started walking toward me, I couldn't see myself taking his life for it. I'd first back up several feet to give some space and draw my gun if necessary, and if he starts pursuing despite my gun warning, I'd shoot him in upper leg. That will stop the attack. I know cops are trained to shoot for body mass, but these cops weren't 100 feet away. They were basically at point blank range. A shot to incapacitate would've been easily doable.

But then I'm sure a face full of mace would've done the trick without even needing bullets.

(06-07-2015 07:50 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Here's what happened that got the police called in.

This is part of the problem as well. Do we really need to call the police over two teenage girls pulling each other's hair? Most the time kids scrap, somebody gets their ass kicked and that's the end of it, no weapons are involved, no reason to get police involved.

Post: #23

(06-07-2015 07:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  SunW is probably a troll paid by the police Union to defend any police criticism.

A lot of political entities do this. The Chinese the Russians, the US military. I'm not surprised if the fraternal police order had a secret Internet troll bunker as part of its PR division.

If I'm violating any of the rules of this forum, by all means, point them out.

You're making an accusation without evidence. Suppose that I said you're probably a criminal who enjoys killing people and breaking the law, like many in Baltimore, who used the Freddie incident to get the cops out of their area so they could commit crimes freely. The problem? I have no evidence for either of those assertions. I may disagree with you, but that doesn't mean I should accuse you of something without evidence.

I know this may come as a shock to you, so I suggest you sit down. Some Americans understand the obedience to authority, especially when it's as simple as "drop that" or "stay there." Heck, even my dog understands these and obeys them. Supporting what police do, as it's not an easy job, does mean that someone is a cop troll (whatever that is). Some of us had parents who took the time to remind us that police don't know whether we are good or bad and it's our responsibility (one of the tenets of Neomasculinity) to ensure that we show police that we are not a threat. Sometimes things are unfair, and the courts are where we fight our case. But, as men we should know and teach others that there is a time and place for everything and why it matters; in tense situations, it's hard for a person to know who's a threat and who is not.

If that makes me a cop troll (again, whatever this means), wow.

Post: #24

(06-07-2015 07:50 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Here's what happened that got the police called in.

Fat broads causing problems as usual.

Post: #25

(06-07-2015 07:48 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:33 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:56 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 06:29 PM)SunW Wrote:  People like you, as Romans 13 says, make our world safer and I highly appreciate your sacrifice, even if no one in this country can appreciate it anymore.

Fuck that.
With the clips I've seen in the last 3 years I'm just as likely to get blasted by a Cop for flinching the wrong way as I am some thug.

Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver. This is just madness.

It's like you didn't read a word I wrote in my original post.

Did the person in your video comply? No.
Did he make a move toward the cop and suddenly get shot? Yes.

This refutes my point? No, it doesn't. It is the exact point I made; show compliance because they do not know if you are a threat or not. The person in that video was a threat by refusing to obey the police, then making a move at them. What did he think was going to happen?

Pay attention. See how quickly things can change? In less than a second, you're shot and dead. If an officer shows up, whether you agree or disagree, show compliance. Do not argue with them, fight with them, or disobey them.

Finally, like the dishonest media, I like how you spin the video:

Quote:Heres a clip of Dallas Cops shooting a mentally ill man holding a screwdriver.

Here's the reality: Mentally disturbed man refused to obey police, makes a move at them, and is shot. He was not just holding a screwdriver. And by the way, mentally disturbed people can still kill you.

SunW, don't try arguing with the anti-cop cheerleaders. They refuse to listen to logic,choosing instead to follow emotion fueled arguments.

You sound like a woman with your shaming tactics.