Post: #1

Si la jeune fille que Lamjed Chakroune a défendue n'a pas été défigurée, elle le doit au courage de ce jeune homme de 26 ans, de nationalité tunisienne. Lui gardera à vie les cicatrices de ce tragique épisode. "Vendredi en fin d'après-midi, j'attendais mon bus sur le boulevard Michelet, tout près de cette fille que j'avais déjà croisée plusieurs fois. Elle m'a demandé une cigarette. Je lui ai donnée et ensuite j'étais au téléphone avec l'un de mes cousins qui devaient me rejoindre", racontait-il hier depuis sa chambre d'hôpital.poignardé en portant secours à une jeune fille

"J'ai vu ces deux types arriver. Ils l'ont coincée dans un coin, ils lui parlaient un peu en arabe, un peu en italien. Ils lui ont demandé des cigarettes, puis du shit. Comme elle n'avait rien, l'un a dit à l'autre de sortir son couteau pour la balafrer au visage. Là, je suis intervenu, je leur ai dit d'arrêter, qu'il y avait des caméras et que les flics allaient arriver. Ils ne m'ont pas calculé et ont mis des gifles à la fille. Alors j'en ai repoussé un, je l'ai fait tomber au sol mais je ne l'ai pas frappé."

"La grosse lame m'a touché au torse"
"Quand j'ai vu qu'il sortait un gros couteau de son sac, j'ai flippé et je suis parti en courant vers la sortie du métro au rond-point du Prado. Je me défendais comme je pouvais en envoyant les pieds vers eux pour qu'ils ne me poignardent pas au coeur ou au visage. Soudainement, j'ai senti une grosse douleur au mollet, l'un des deux venait de me toucher. J'avais beaucoup de mal à tenir debout, mais j'ai réussi à saisir une chaise d'une pizzeria et à les frapper avec."les deux suspects écroués

"Malgré cela, celui qui avait la grosse lame m'a touché au torse juste à côté du coeur, mon poumon a été atteint. Et son copain m'a planté à l'épaule", décrivait calmement ce jeune homme, auto-entrepreneur dans le bâtiment arrivé en France en 2006, qui déplorait le fait que "tout ça s'est passé sous les yeux d'une vingtaine de personnes qui n'ont rien fait. On aurait cru qu'elles étaient au cinéma en train de regarder un film". Un film qui avait tout pour tourner au drame puisque le jeune homme a été transporté à la Timone dans un état très critique.

"J'ai finalement réussi à attraper le gros couteau et je suis allé m'asseoir. Des fontaines de sang sortaient de mes plaies, personne n'osait m'approcher. Seul un jeune m'a donné un t-shirt pour appuyer sur la blessure de ma jambe. Là, j'ai cru que j'allais mourir..." Les médecins de la Timone ont sauvé Lamjed de cette fin qui se profilait. "Ma famille, notamment en Tunisie, m'a engueulé d'avoir pris autant de risques, et la jeune fille que j'ai défendue s'est excusée mais elle n'y est pour rien et je ne regrette rien. Je me serais senti coupable de n'avoir pas réagi..."

Il sera honoré

Hier, Yves Moraine, le maire des 6e-8e nous a fait part de son intention de remettre une médaille d'honneur à Lamjed. Il sollicitera aussi Jean-Claude Gaudin afin que le héros reçoive celle de la Ville. "Il faut valoriser ce type d'actes de courage car beaucoup de gens détournent le regard, et mettre à l'honneur aussi ce jeune Tunisien afin que ceux qui voudraient récupérer politiquement ce fait divers sachent que non, tous les immigrés ne représentent pas un danger. La preuve..."



Basically:

Tunisian guy waits for his bus. A girl that he had seen at that stop several times already asks him for a cigarette. He gives her, then speaks by phone to one of his cousins. Two thugs come to the girl, corner her and want to scar her in the face with a knife. Captain Save-a-Hoe wants to talk the thugs out of that, they don"t listen to him and slap the girl. He hits one of them, that one falls on the floor. After that they run after the guy and manage to hit him several time on the leg and the lung.

No one cared to help him stop the bleeding, or call the police/hospital. He will be left with scars for life. The mayor plans to give him a medal for that.

Meanwhile the girl just "excused herself" for that.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marseille...fref=photo

Post: #2

Ehh, I have a hard time labeling this white knight behavior. Seems like basic human decency trying to stop a violent crime from occurring. It's not the same as stepping between a girl and her abusive boyfriend, which is none of your business.

Basically, doesn't seem like the girl brought this on herself.

Post: #3

Sure, man.

When you hear a thug saying he will scar a girl with his knife.
Knowing you are not related to her.
Knowing you have no weapon of your own, or no fighting background (Martial Arts, Boxing etc) in case he attacks you.
Knowing this happened in a city where at least weekly people die because of a gang or thugs? in the city nicknamed "the capital of Kalachnikov" ?
Would you still go talk to them, rather than calling the police and minding your business?
Also: would he have done the same if it was a man, and not a girl?
Not so sure.

Post: #4

The only reprehensible thing besides the initial assault itself is the lack of help he received. This wasn't white knighting behavior, this was basic human decency.

Hopefully he can springboard into some fresher pussy than he was angling for initially.

Post: #5

Let's switch the roles up a bit.

What if it was an elderly man? Is that white knighting?

White knighting is jumping in when a boyfriend is reprimanding his girlfriend. It's getting involved when you should mind your own business. It's cockblocking a guy that's running game. It's jumping in to protect a woman when SHE started the fight and got what's coming to her.

This? I don't read French but by the way you describe it, this sounds like bravery, especially the fact that it came from a Tunisian guy (muslim) against likely other Muslim thugs.

Post: #6

I do agree, he is brave.

However for me, if you want to act bravely in that situation, then at least come with something under your arsenal in case things go wrong. Like, fightings skills.
He knew those guys had a big knife with them. And judging by his version of the facts, he wasn't ready nor prepared to fight them.

Ok for being a hero when someone is drowning for example. However, if he/she is drowning in a place where both of you risk dying if you jump in the water and do not go out of it quickly, would you still jump?

Post: #7

I'd jump in and help.

It's not white knighting to prevent a crime from occurring man or woman.

Post: #8

Yeah, I have a hard time labelling this as white knighting.

From my understanding Tunisia is still a traditional society and women still accept a feminine role in society. I doubt they have slut walks there, boast about how they 'don't need no man', slap guys on the subway etc.

Sounds like this was a legit woman in distress, two armed guys on one woman in the middle east isnt the same as some pimp slapping his Ho in public in the anglosphere or a guy shoving his girlfriend around.

Im not saying this guys actions were smart or that I would do the same thing but hes no white knight, for all we know he could be a brave guy that would do this for anyone due to his faith.

Post: #9

Not White Knighting, but he does deserve sex out of the deal. Any pic of the broad in question?

Post: #10

Sometimes you guys go too far with your condemnation of normal human behaviour. What if this woman were elderly? Would you still let some thugs beat her down because you don't want to white knight? Sometimes, you have to set aside the game concepts and be a normal human being and help others out.

Holding doors for women doesn't make you beta, and not holding doors doesn't make you into a dark triad pussy melting machine. Just relax with the white knight shaming. Sounds like this was just a good samaritan who wasn't going to sit back and let thugs get their way that time. Good on him.

Post: #11

Ok so first this happened in France, and the guys who threatened the girl were only 17 and 16 years old and. They asked for cigarettes and drug to the girl, then threatened to disfigure her with a knive.

So the tunisian guy was waiting for his bus, saw the situation then tried to talk to them, not playing f*&ing white knight rambo with god damn kung fu. Then, they tried to stabb him so he ran of but they chased him and stabed him, but he managed to hit one of the attacker with his knive (the attacker was later caught by the police who just had to follow the blood).

He also said that 20 people were watching but nobody moved. Im not surprised, this happened all the time here in France.

I dont know if the guy who started this post is from France (i'm french as well) but Im sure he wouldnt have moved his little finger, so in this situation saying 'pff I dont help Im not a white knight ' is just an excuse for being a f*$ ing pussy. I would be ashamed to have started this post.

This tunisian guy has more balls than a lot of french people, and in this case there's nothing to do with white knight shit... just help another human being in trouble (guy or f*$ing obese ugly girl, who cares !).

Im really tired of the french fag mentality where no help each other, because it happens all the time: people see shit happen and dont move. This really piss me off. Sorry for the bad grammar and bad words.

Post: #12

Calm down bro.

Whatever you think, leave your insults at the door thanks.

Post: #13

Relax, Matosan. You can't come into a thread calling OP a pussy just because you don't agree with him.

Post: #14

This one seems to be kinda in the gray area. You're waiting for the bus next to a girl and 2 thugs come there and carve her face with a knife. You'd have to be a psychopath to walk away from this situation without interfering. Seems like he didn't have much choice.

On the other hand, if it were a guy being attacked, would he do the same or would he just just call the cops/ call for help? To me, white-knighting is going out of your way to help someone only because it's a girl. And what's more is that this guy didn't just help, he punched one of the thugs and led them away from the girl so that she could be saved and he could take the heat. Would you attack 2 thugs who had knives in order to save a stranger man? I think not.

Also you have to take into consideration that Tunusian culture probably has little feminism. Traditionalism plays a bigger role in the guy's motive to save her. He's been taught that women are weak and need protection.

Maybe the French version of the story is more elaborate. But let's not be hard on OP. The case seems to be on the thin line between being a white knight and being, well,a hero.

Post: #15

People may label me a coward or something like that, but I stick to what I said:
I would not lift a single finger for anyone in that situation, man or woman, at least until I get able to defend myself against an armed opponent (goal I am working towards , with lifting/martial arts, though I am a beginner).

Actually, in Senegal, I would probably, because there I am sure I would get other people to my rescue if there was a knife against me. People there hate thieves/criminals, and as soon as someone yells at another man "Thief!!!!!!!!!!!" People gather to see what's up.

In France or anywhere else I wouldn't, because of the very fact mentionned by Matosan: people won't do a shit. They can see you bleeding, but the only thing you can hope is someone who was watching the scene from his/her window will call the police. Worst thing is if you are not white/Asian: then one can just assume you are a part of that group and that it is a quarrel between partners. Go talk about being a Samaritan to the Senegalese people in Maghreb who get stones thrown at them, attacked by groups of young men or denied a fair trial because of their black skin (got this through the very mouth of my sister who lived there, and also experienced racism there).
Even a few months ago, one guy got angry for no reason at me in a club and hit me. I did not even have time to fight back than the bouncers came at me, moved me brutally and banned me from there. Thank God they knew I wasn't someone who comes to create problems (3 years I was going there) otherwise they would have beaten me, like they sometimes do. Did anyone intervene? No. Did any of the guys I used to shoot the shit a couple times each time in that club say anything to back my case? No.

I used to be a guy who believe in helping others out of critical situations. Never did anyone at least in France return me the favour. I remember being in Calais when I just reached 18, could not take the ferry because of administrative issues and had to spend the night out in that unknown city 500km from home. I remember the drunk men 100m from me who were following me and talking shit about me, loud enough for me to hear. Did anyone next to me help? No. If they tried to stole my shit, what would I have done?

Thank God I took my balls and asked a bouncer in a club to let me leave my luggage there, and he accepted. Funny shit: it was my first time in a nightclub. I did not pull tough with my pullover and my baskets.

Am I a Samaritan? Certainly not. Am I pragmatical? Yes.
Now respect my choice to not make that choice in that situation.

Post: #16

The real question at stake here isn't whether or not you would get involved.

Okay let's say it's 5 military trained fighters armed with firebreathing pitbulls and katana swords. Clearly you're not going to physically intervene, but you'd still do something, even if that means making a lot of noise and getting police attention.

Your own fighting ability or preparedness should not prevent you from doing something.

The real question is, what is the relationship between a person and their apparent attackers? If I saw a guy in this scenario I might assume that he knows his attackers, owes them money, or otherwise is in some shit with them. Likewise, I might assume the same about a woman.

This is important as it applies to white-knighting, as white-knights assume that no matter the circumstances, no matter the situation, a woman should not be harmed, threatened, or made to feel uncomfortable no matter what.

But guys with experience with women know better, that they often do get themselves into some deep shit through their own fault, and as supposed equal adults they should be able to handle themselves accordingly.

So the key here is, did she get herself into this situation? Or is she an innocent bystander, the victim of a random crime? If it's the latter, be it man, woman, elderly, child, then yes, the morally correct thing to do is do something, whatever that something may be.

Post: #17

Personally I don't consider him a White Knight.

The girl was threatened to be cut. What if the men did it? Would he be thinking back to that moment when he could have done something thinking: "Was I a coward for not having done anything?"


http://www.laprovence.com/article/actual...-rien.html
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/...ressee.php

The guy looks nice and he only got scars to the body. I have a couple of scars on the body for various activities - does not matter much to a man unless you are a body model.

Also - another point Mikado - 2 Muslims pester a girl aggressively and threaten to cut her face (! - a fate almost worse than death to a girl just because she did not want to talk to them) and another Muslim defends her. I guess the multiculturalism is taking. The guys who spoke to her were speaking a mixture of Arabic and Italian pointing to the fact that they were fresh immigrants. Tunisians are often French in culture, so they have sometimes different cultural values (in a positive way). He defended her and has some local fame. Who knows - he might get a better job from this and may use it as a springboard in life.

I have to remember to go out well-armed in some French areas now. Fucking assholes ruining such a great country.....

Personally I might have done the same, but for me it would depend on the circumstances - if she was a clear aggressive bitch, I would have just called the cops. If she appeared decent enough I probably would have risked my life too. But I would have done the same for a man as well.

Post: #18

(05-25-2015 03:30 PM)Veloce Wrote:  The real question at stake here isn't whether or not you would get involved.


So the key here is, did she get herself into this situation? Or is she an innocent bystander, the victim of a random crime? If it's the latter, be it man, woman, elderly, child, then yes, the morally correct thing to do is do something, whatever that something may be.

I already said I would call the cops.

Post: #19

(05-25-2015 03:37 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 03:30 PM)Veloce Wrote:  The real question at stake here isn't whether or not you would get involved.


So the key here is, did she get herself into this situation? Or is she an innocent bystander, the victim of a random crime? If it's the latter, be it man, woman, elderly, child, then yes, the morally correct thing to do is do something, whatever that something may be.

I already said I would call the cops.

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away...

Post: #20

Some of you are missing the most important point. Appropriate bitch behavior given the situation. We all know how a bitch should say thanks. Go to the hospital and give a hug and a kiss to the hero above. Close the room door and wait a moment while rubbing his dick. Bend over the bed, suck and swallow. That is the way it was done in the 80's by bitches that knew girl game.

Post: #21

Some guys use the White Knight excuse for situations where they would be scared.

Post: #22

If he had done nothing, I would be seeing this story as an example of social trust breaking down in France.

Post: #23

This is too close to call. You guys resolutely saying it's most definitely not white knighting are wrong. But so are the guys saying it's 100 percent white knighting.

Why It's Not White Knighting

1. The girl doesn't seem to have brought it upon herself.
Unlike other way more clear-cut scenarios, the girl doesn't seem to have provoked the attack* or do some stupid irresponsible shit that, while not 100% "her fault," didn't help matters either.





2. Sounds like girl was in real danger.
This wasn't some fake and temporary discomfort in a bar or on the subway.

   

3. There was an urgency, and real consequences.
This wasn't a matter of the loss of a girl's precious iPhone

   

4. Girl's behavior afterwards.
Unlike the girl who was saved by an orbiter who jumped in front of a truck for her a while back, this girl (contrary to the posts above) did show a measure of gratitude. This implies that it wasn't just some unjustified heroics, but a real act of saving-her-ass.

From this version of the story:

Quote:"My family, especially in Tunisia, yelled at me to taking as many risks, and the girl I defended apologized but it has nothing to do and I have no regrets. I would have felt guilty for not having reacted ... "

Why It Could Be White Knighting

1. Suspicious this is the whole story.
All that said, this guys isn't completely out of the white-knight woods. The math doesn't completely add up. For starters, I have a hard time believing this girl didn't mouth off to those guys and that they just--like maniacs--put a knife to her face for just saying she didn't have a cigarette. Not that mouthing off justifies an attack, but it certainly complicates the story we're getting.

2. Hints at a thirst or orbiter factor.
It's interesting that he "knew her already." Guys like us can read between those lines. So his wanting that pussy probably played some a factor too. How much do you want to bet this bitch isn't busted, she'd been bumming cigarettes from him for a while, and he had no other game to make his sentiments known?

3. Not 100% sure this dude would have the done the same for a dude or other demographic.
Maybe he would have, but the "knowing her before" part and the parts I just know he's leaving out of the story (see above), leave doubt that there wasn't some white knighting. Isn't it a coincidence that the would-be victim is always-always a bangable girl of bangable age? Old women and men get attacked too, as others have noted.

No verdict:

Post: #24

YEAR.

Post: #25

He can always use his 15 minutes of fame to get other pussies.