Post: #26

(07-06-2015 07:43 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:41 AM)djk100 Wrote:  Also Serbian men from what I heard are pretty tall and alpha.

I certainly wont mention any names but one of my buddies (A forum member) Was drunk and acting a fool and got him and his friend (who also is on the forum I think) roughed up in Belgrade a few weeks ago... during the scuffle he ended up getting hit over the head with a branch...

Heres a reenactment of the assault

Sounds like a great story, I'd like to hear more on it.

Post: #27

(07-06-2015 10:19 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:43 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:41 AM)djk100 Wrote:  Also Serbian men from what I heard are pretty tall and alpha.

I certainly wont mention any names but one of my buddies (A forum member) Was drunk and acting a fool and got him and his friend (who also is on the forum I think) roughed up in Belgrade a few weeks ago... during the scuffle he ended up getting hit over the head with a branch...

Heres a reenactment of the assault

Sounds like a great story, I'd like to hear more on it.

OK, that was me.

I remember virtually nothing from the incident as I am pretty sure I received a mild concussion, as I was certainly feeling very out of sorts for a few days afterwards. I was having to rely on my mate and fellow forum member Balls Deep who was with me (and unfortunately got a bit of a shoeing as well while trying to back me up) to fill me in on the details of exactly what happened.

Basically I was pretty much the most wasted I had been in a long time. Myself, Balls Deep and Brisey had met up a week previous in Belgrade and we all shared an airbnb together. We clicked from the off and had similar styles of game (all liking the higher end nightgame scene). So naturally we all got on like a house on fire and the banter was quality. We had a long week of intensive nightgaming being out every night with some daygaming also thrown in to boot. Great lads, great fun and we are already planning a reunion somewhere in a few months time (ideally Jakarta, watch this space)

So it was the last night out together before Brisey had to fly back home and all 3 of us secured our flags the previous night. So we just decided to take our foot off the gas a little bit game wise, hit one of the more upscale clubs on the Splavs, and get a bottle and just have a blast on one big final farewell night out. Balls Deep wasn't drinking that much but Brisey and I smashed through most of the bottle surprisingly quickly. We didn't want to go a second bottle as that would've been a bit much, but given the bar was absolutely rammed and it was so cheap anyway we did for convenience. Having had a pretty mental night out the previous night and having got precious little sleep thanks to bringing home a nympho serbian chick, I probably wasn't in the best shape to be going this big. If it wasn't Brisey's last night I certainly would've stayed in.

At the end of the night myself and Balls Deep are leaving the club (Brisey had disappeared earlier). From what he tells me we made some half assed attempt to talk to some girls on the way out to which they blew us off (the hotter chicks at the Splav clubs can be quite hard work in general). We didn't make anything of it but then some cab driver came over to white knight to tell us to leave them alone. White knighting being a pet peeve of mine, I started to clown him a bit patronising him saying the girls still aren't going to fuck him if he's trying to be their knight in shining armour. Like all white knights he gets stupendously offended by this and starts punching me. Balls Deep steps in to break it up but then cabbie picks up a large tree branch and begins to pummel us both with it.

The dude isn't big but has a huge ass buddy standing behind him who neither of us were equipped to fuck with. But instead of running away like BD is trying to get me to do, I try to calm him down and diffuse the situation. To which I take a few more nasty blows on the head and by the time BD gets me out of there I am bleeding from the back of my head. Apart from ruining the back of my shirt I didn't think it was that big a deal at the time, was only a couple of days later it sunk in. I am pretty embarrassed about the whole incident.

I want to emphasise that getting into bar scrapes and being an 'angry drunk' is really not my style. In fact I generally have a good track record of being able to spot and diffuse such situations where other friends have got themselves into a scrape in a bar and by the end of it we are all shaking hands and buying eachother drinks after. A couple of forum members will recall a particularly hairy situation a girl in Jakarta put me in with 7 dudes which I managed to talk my way out of a few months back. Hence I stupidly thought I could calm the situation down instead of just walking away.

Note this is the first ass kicking I have EVER been involved since hitting bars and clubs and running game. From the sounds of it the kicking was pretty deserved and for the most part Belgrade is a very safe city bar a minority of shifty taxi drivers trying to screw you on fares. I don't mind the beat down and it serves as a good lesson to not get so arse-about-face drunk again but the worst part for me was dragging my friend into it and being responsible for him getting him a kicking when he was just trying to get my dumb drunk ass out of there.

A special mention also to Pain Positive who went out of his way to take us out round the city and show us a good time. The guy spits tight game and knows the scene. Each night out he would know where various parties were happening and should they suck he would have plan b, c and D at the ready...

Post: #28

(07-06-2015 06:04 AM)Buddha Wrote:  Belgrade has yet to be run over by young male tourists chasing tail compared to other popular EE destinations such as Budapest, Prague, Bucharest, or certain Polish cities so opening in English is proving to be an advantage rather than a disadvantage.

When I lived in Budapest, the consensus among local expats in the community was that girls have become jaded about English speaking foreign guys.

However, in Belgrade the city is still relatively pristine...

Thanks for doing your part to change that.

Post: #29

Serbian Women...
Are far from perfect (for the sake of some constructive criticism). There is a very widespread culture of smoking to avoid weight gain as opposed to hitting the gym and eating well and it manifests itself in the form of flat flabby asses and somewhat unhealthy looking skin that is often partially hidden under make-up but not always obvious at night or from a distance. Chicks definitely age very poorly here and I often find myself guessing any given girl is 3-4+ years older than she actually is despite being an age guessing 'rainman' in other countries. Every Serbian guy I've mentioned this stuff to has gone on a rant of agreement.

If you don't like smokers/general unhealthiness, soft asses, or tallness (a big percentage are 5'8"ish+) any one of those factors is going to significantly narrow the field for you. If you don't like two or three of those things then there's a decent chance you won't be particularly happy with Serbian women. To their credit they do tend to have likable personalities, dress pretty well and there are obviously some pretty ones.

Nightlife
There's a lot going on but to be honest it often looks way cooler than it is. Quite a few places are sit down/table centric venues and once you've been out a ton you start to realize that a good percentage of the quality chicks were invited out with the group and not going to be easily accessible. Unfortunately the venues where the women are the easiest to approach the quality isn't nearly as good (lots of 5s and 6s with the occasional 7). Savamala was mentioned as "good" for girls but that area seems very average and effectively never gets 8+s and the occasional 7s are typically with grenade in tow. Women aren't particularly cockblocky here but it definitely does happen. It's more often a logistical issue to find a wingman willing to tend to their busted or 6'2" friend.

Safety
It's generally pretty safe just walking down a random street at night, but if you're the type to get drunk and act stupid in a venue you are for sure risking getting roughed up. Something that might get you a stern request to leave the bar in the states in Serbia might entail you getting lit up in the men's bathroom by security. I know a serbian girl who got violently grabbed by the hair by a bouncer because she tried to reenter the club to find a friend. Probably a rare occurrence, but I did also see a girl get shot in the knee cap in one of the splavs two years ago, granted it's probably pretty rare for people to have guns out at night. I'm not trying to fear monger because it's generally safe if you act normal, but it's worth noting that bouncers/mafia bros/taxi drivers will not hesitate to throw down if you're acting out of line or refusing to pay their exorbitant rigged meter fee. You should call for taxis or negotiate the fare beforehand if it's a guy waiting outside of a nightlife spot.


Cliff notes: 1) Women: very tall/chain smoking/semi soft bodies/tough to access in the upper echelon 2) Nightlife: looks cool but mostly just access to 5-6s and occasional 7s when you really boil it down 3) Safety: safe in general, but bouncers/taxi drivers will throw down if you are confrontational/causing problems - call taxis (Gold/Lux/Pink are legit) or negotiate the fair before getting in if it's a random company late night.

Post: #30

I've spent a few weeks in Belgrade a twice w/in the last 14 months and while I've enjoyed the city I dont think its as great as a lot of people seem to think. Savamala was decent but there are only 10 or so places and they aren't anything special. There are certainly some very beautiful girls in the city but I dont know how accessible they are to the average person. Pretty much all of the girls are thin though, unlike in the US, and they are feminine and usually well dressed. I wasnt overly impressed w/the nightlife though. I found the people very friendly and helpful. If you take taxi's on a regular basis you can tell when you are being screwed and just have the driver stop and pull over and take the $4 loss or whatever it is and not deal with it. I think if you are banging lots of girls there you are probably pulling 6's or 7's but not the top end girls.

Post: #31

I have done ZERO Night Game in Belgrade but I can imagine the challenges that have been outlined above.

I have been meeting all my girls from Day Game. It works very well in this city and I can say that it is possible to access very high quality girls (9+ model looking types) during the day who would otherwise blow you off at night.

A model girl who I am dating told me that she doesn't like night clubs because guys are agressive and touchy. Even if she is single, she makes sure to go with a large group that includes guys so that she doesn't have to deal with approaches.
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Post: #32

^^^^^^^How many approaches have you done in Belgrade, and how many have resulted in bangs?

You seem like the type who keeps a spreadsheet of these things, so maybe you can share.

Post: #33

(07-08-2015 08:33 AM)BallsDeep Wrote:  ^^^^^^^How many approaches have you done in Belgrade, and how many have resulted in bangs?

You seem like the type who keeps a spreadsheet of these things, so maybe you can share.

I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things but enough to keep me happy
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Post: #34

I agree with ChickMagnet and PainPositive. Getting numbers is very easy, even from hot girls. It's fucking them which is difficult.

And be realistic, if your fucking 5s, you'll only do slightly better in the East, like 6-7s. You still need to bring the variety of good tools in your arsenal. Good game alone or moving to a country with more attractive women isn't going to get you 8-9s alone.

Post: #35

(07-08-2015 08:57 AM)Buddha Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 08:33 AM)BallsDeep Wrote:  ^^^^^^^How many approaches have you done in Belgrade, and how many have resulted in bangs?

You seem like the type who keeps a spreadsheet of these things, so maybe you can share.

I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things but enough to keep me happy
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That is not helpful my friend. Keep your feelings to yourself. Here hard data is more important.
By the way, I don't see how traveling to any Eastern European country and regularly banging 8 or 9s is realistic, unless you know the language well and have some social status.
Feminine young 7s with long hair is the bread and butter.

Post: #36

(07-08-2015 08:33 AM)BallsDeep Wrote:  ^^^^^^^How many approaches have you done in Belgrade, and how many have resulted in bangs?

You seem like the type who keeps a spreadsheet of these things, so maybe you can share.

I asked the same question to Buddha regarding vienna and didnt got any answer :/

Its just to estimate if its worth to do daygame...

Post: #37

(07-09-2015 04:20 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 08:57 AM)Buddha Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 08:33 AM)BallsDeep Wrote:  ^^^^^^^How many approaches have you done in Belgrade, and how many have resulted in bangs?

You seem like the type who keeps a spreadsheet of these things, so maybe you can share.

I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things but enough to keep me happy
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That is not helpful my friend. Keep your feelings to yourself. Here hard data is more important.
By the way, I don't see how traveling to any Eastern European country and regularly banging 8 or 9s is realistic, unless you know the language well and have some social status.
Feminine young 7s with long hair is the bread and butter.

Obviously I am not gonna explicitly comment on my YouTube girls because I am already doing a lot by sharing in-fields with the public. Considering the tight-knit nature of the Belgrade social scene, I will draw a line that is respected. These girls are also on my Facebook (I put them on restricted status so they can't see my Game posts)

I will say that with dedicated Day Game alone, an "average to good-looking young guy in 20's to 30's" will be able to bang a new girl in the 7-8+ range every other week once he spends at least 3-4+ weeks in the city to build momentum and gather leads.

As far as access to quality, it is a factor of your game, looks, social proof, and logistics. Individual variances range widely. There is no guarantee that because I or some other guy came to Belgrade and banged model quality girls that this will happen to the next guy who swoops down on the city.

As PainPositive mentioned, it takes time to convert here because of the conservative nature of Serbs toward sex. Sex is taboo here. ONS's are very rare and it takes around 3 dates on average to get to the bang. So I would come to Belgrade with realistic expectations. It's not an easy place to have sex with quality girls but it is certainly possible.

Important thing is to convey to the girl that you will stay around for a while. I make it a point to let her know in the beginning of the interaction (as I did in the video) that I will be staying long-term.


also @ Kulli60: Just go out and see for yourself if it is worthwhile to do Day Game. It doesn't make sense to wait for someone else to lead! In the end, it is your penis which will be inside your girl's vagina...not mine.


This is the usual quality that I get with dedicated game...Just go out there and do it!




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Post: #38

Quote:Obviously I am not gonna explicitly comment on my YouTube girls because I am already doing a lot by sharing in-fields with the public. Considering the tight-knit nature of the Belgrade social scene, I will draw a line that is respected. These girls are also on my Facebook (I put them on restricted status so they can't see my Game posts)

I will say that with dedicated Day Game alone, an "average to good-looking young guy in 20's to 30's" will be able to bang a new girl in the 7-8+ range every other week once he spends at least 3-4+ weeks in the city to build momentum and gather leads.

As far as access to quality, it is a factor of your game, looks, social proof, and logistics. Individual variances range widely. There is no guarantee that because I or some other guy came to Belgrade and banged model quality girls that this will happen to the next guy who swoops down on the city.

As PainPositive mentioned, it takes time to convert here because of the conservative nature of Serbs toward sex. Sex is taboo here. ONS's are very rare and it takes around 3 dates on average to get to the bang. So I would come to Belgrade with realistic expectations. It's not an easy place to have sex with quality girls but it is certainly possible.

Important thing is to convey to the girl that you will stay around for a while. I make it a point to let her know in the beginning of the interaction (as I did in the video) that I will be staying long-term.


also @ Kulli60: Just go out and see for yourself if it is worthwhile to do Day Game. It doesn't make sense to wait for someone else to lead! In the end, it is your penis which will be inside your girl's vagina...not mine.


This is the usual quality that I get with dedicated game...Just go out there and do it!

This should be informally marked as quasi spam because you're biased as a promoter of a day game product/website/service and making ambiguous statements that don't offer a ton of real value to the discerning traveler. It's disingenuous to make sweeping claims that average to slightly above average guys are going to be pulling 8+s or xyz quality in a reasonable amount of time if you have you and your bro as a sample size.

I've lived here a while and had several good looking (with respectable game) American/Euro friends visit and I've seen guys that consistently get high quality women in several other countries go on 2-3 months dry spells despite earnest effort (granted they didn't let ~7+ standards slide). The half a dozen guys I knew that stayed here for 1-2 weeks failed with anything remotely resembling quality.


Summary:
From living here long term and a double digit sample size of friends, timely success in Belgrade with quality is a lot farther from guaranteed than vague claims (often made by dudes with possible ulterior motives) would suggest. What you can safely say about Belgrade is if you're tall, good looking, confident and you live here long term you will probably do well with 7s and maybe an occasional 8+ if you are sick/have connections etc. For the sake of clarity, 7s being attractive and fairly dateable but not without a flaw or two...i.e. nothing your friends back home will be cutting themselves over.

Post: #39

(07-09-2015 09:09 AM)jcardial Wrote:  

Quote:

This should be informally marked as quasi spam because you're biased as a promoter of a day game product/website/service and making ambiguous statements that don't offer a ton of real value to the discerning traveler. It's disingenuous to make sweeping claims that average to slightly above average guys are going to be pulling 8+s or xyz quality in a reasonable amount of time if you have you and your bro as a sample size.

I've lived here a while and had several good looking (with respectable game) American/Euro friends visit and I've seen guys that consistently get high quality women in several other countries go on 2-3 months dry spells despite earnest effort (granted they didn't let ~7+ standards slide). The half a dozen guys I knew that stayed here for 1-2 weeks failed with anything remotely resembling quality.


Summary:
From living here long term and a double digit sample size of friends, timely success in Belgrade with quality is a lot farther from guaranteed than vague claims (often made by dudes with possible ulterior motives) would suggest. What you can safely say about Belgrade is if you're tall, good looking, confident and you live here long term you will probably do well with 7s and maybe an occasional 8+ if you are sick/have connections etc. For the sake of clarity, 7s being attractive and fairly dateable but not without a flaw or two...i.e. nothing your friends back home will be cutting themselves over.

OK Bro. I totally agree with you 100%. I did say in BOLD font that invididual variances range widely and also added that Belgrade is not an easy place. Looks like we are on the same page.

If you are still living in Belgrade give me a call. We can meet up and hangout. My Serbian number is: +381 61 3184314. Cheers.

Post: #40

@jcardial: Good summary!
"Summary:
From living here long term and a double digit sample size of friends, timely success in Belgrade with quality is a lot farther from guaranteed than vague claims (often made by dudes with possible ulterior motives) would suggest. What you can safely say about Belgrade is if you're tall, good looking, confident and you live here long term you will probably do well with 7s and maybe an occasional 8+ if you are sick/have connections etc. For the sake of clarity, 7s being attractive and fairly dateable but not without a flaw or two...i.e. nothing your friends back home will be cutting themselves over. "

I also have to add that if one is like myself and cannot spend more than 1.5 weeks in a place due to work obligations then time will be the biggest cock-blocker you can face. For time challenged guys like myself having to go on 3-4 dates over the course of a week/2 weeks to get a 7 just ain't worth it anymore. Been there, done that in Kiev, Minsk, Moscow.
So the primary way of meeting girls for me is via night-game as it moves faster. I hear from most guys on these forums that for night-game Belgrade is hit or miss. I also feel that Belgrade is hyped up too much, especially since so many guys on the forums are having great success in nearby cities of Budapest & Bucharest.

Post: #41

I was visiting a friend in Belgrade for 2 1/2 weeks - met an awesome girl through friends halfway through my trip, went out w/her 3 times, and ran out of time. If you are a complete outsider w/no social circle and an expiration date (ie departure date) its a tricky place to pull.

Post: #42

Another Belgrade note - I noticed several times when I was there guys daygaming girls in and around the main square, and whenever I saw it I would stand nearby and watch/listen. I dont think I ever saw a guy get the number. I think girls there are becoming used to it.

Post: #43

@Buddha - how would you rate the girls int the pic w/you?

Post: #44

(07-09-2015 07:24 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  @Buddha - how would you rate the girls int the pic w/you?

The girl in the picture to my left, I would rate a solid 9.5. She is a fashion model who I have been banging. Below is a full body picture of her.

The girl on the right, I would rate a 8.0 for EE standards (didn't bang...she is the older sister of my girlfriend)





There are some logistical advantages that I have which many short-term travellers do not have:

1) I work on-line as a Financial Trader so I stay in a single city for long-term like Roosh does (several months)

2) I make a sizable social-circle which includes both local guys & expats who are engaged in the scene and would categorize themselves as "high-status"

3) I familiarize myself with local culture/history, basic language, and convey my long-term status to the girl right from the opening

If a quality girl wants to hold-off on sex till 3-4 dates and she has a busy schedule which prolongs the pre-sex dating ritual over several weeks then I can lay back without time constraints and keep adding other girls to the rotation to keep myself distracted.

Right from the initial meeting, I can tell her stories which let's her know that I am knowledgeable about her culture, have local connections, and harbour firm intentions to live in her city for many months down the road.


Comparison between Budapest & Belgrade in terms of access to quality & speed to bang:


In Belgrade, it will be easier to get hot girls on dates but the speed to bang will be twice as slow due to the conservative attitude of Serbs towards sex. You will meet lustful looking girls in their early-to-mid 20's who have the equivalent sexual experience of a teenager. It is a bewildering & alluring combo...

For short-term visits you will be able to get many more bangs in Budapest but still have hard time accessing quality girls (most likely 6-7's will be your bread & butter). I have lived in Budapest for 7 months to give you an idea of my familiarity with the city.

For long-term stays, Belgrade will offer higher access to quality for most guys BUT still a lower notch count than Budapest. At my stage in the game, I am more interested in quality rather than quantity so it makes sense for me to stay in Belgrade.

On top of that, Belgrade is about 10-15% cheaper than Budapest across the board.
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Post: #45

(07-10-2015 06:41 AM)Buddha Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 07:24 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  @Buddha - how would you rate the girls int the pic w/you?

The girl in the picture to my left, I would rate a solid 9.5. She is a fashion model who I have been banging. Below is a full body picture of her.









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A 9.5?

That's a bit odd.

You said girls in Belgrade are better looking than in Budapest.

I've never been to Belgrade but i saw plenty of this shape and size of girls in Budapest.

She is definitely good looking but i wouldn't rate her THAT outstanding.

In my book she is an 8 or 8.5.

Face 8
Body 8.5

That's just my thought,maybe other members could chime in...

Post: #46

(07-10-2015 04:51 PM)Vickers Wrote:  A 9.5?

That's a bit odd.

You said girls in Belgrade are better looking than in Budapest.

I've never been to Belgrade but i saw plenty of this shape and size of girls in Budapest.

She is definitely good looking but i wouldn't rate her THAT outstanding.

In my book she is an 8 or 8.5.

Face 8
Body 8.5

That's just my thought,maybe other members could chime in...

Whatever rocks your boat. For my personal standards she is a 9.5. Your standards must be way higher than mine so I understand where you are coming from.

I was simply asked how I would rate her so I gave an honest assessment. Whether other guys would rate her lower it is up to their own personal tastes.

Yes on average, girls in Belgrade tend to look better than in Budapest but then again that is also a personal observation.

When I was being discrete about the type of girls that I was getting some forum guys sent private messages to PainPositive questioning my authenticity.

Now when I am open about the type of girls that I was getting forum guys sent private messages to PainPositive saying that I was being arrogant...why don't they just send me PM's telling me that?

Why ask me to rate a girl then give me heat when I say what I personally think? Kinda makes me wonder just how insecure some people feel about themselves...

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Post: #47

(07-10-2015 04:51 PM)Vickers Wrote:  A 9.5?

That's a bit odd.

You said girls in Belgrade are better looking than in Budapest.

I've never been to Belgrade but i saw plenty of this shape and size of girls in Budapest.

She is definitely good looking but i wouldn't rate her THAT outstanding.

In my book she is an 8 or 8.5.

Face 8
Body 8.5

That's just my thought,maybe other members could chime in...

It has been discussed ad nauseam already. Everyone should recognise that girl is at least an 8, regardless of what their preferences are. The last point is entirely down to personal preferences and factors which cannot be ascertained through photos: her voice, walk, demeanour, fashion, social class, etc.

I see no reason to question Buddha's rating.

Post: #48

Buddha has been nothing but a real sport about all this. He has shared a lot of info and if you read his blog it is pretty inspirational stuff.

As they say, if you're doing something right you will have some haters.

It is nitpicking over the little things that make some guys realize why bother trying to help anyone.

Post: #49

Part of what goes into a girls rating when a guy dates is her perceived status. For example you might meet a girl of equal looks in a village who works as a shoe cleaner and rate her an 8. That same girl who works in Moscow and does runway shows for Fortune 500 fashion companies may well be a 9.5. It's all subjective.

I'm impressed by what Buddha has displayed. Take a look at the original picture on his blog in the about me page. Does that look like a guy who would attain that girl? No. Hes obviously made exemplary lifestyle changes. Congrats and props to him.

Post: #50

The semantics in regards to ranking the hotness of chicks is making me feel a bit dyslexic.....