Post: #101

(05-29-2011 09:10 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  I've got a great answer for this. Because when she sees you wearing a nice suit and thinks you have money, you will:

1.) attract gold diggers

2.) she'll be even more pretentious and uppidty than normal because she feels she has to put on a front to impress you. She can screw any random bus boy for a quickie, but you, she'll make you WAIT so you VALUE her more. This is how women think. I do my best work when i'm wearing a $20 slim fit tee and a beat up pair of R&R jeans, and a nice cologne.

Plus with the suit thing, how many assholes in packed nightclubs are going to burn you with their smoke? Nightclubs are hot, why would you want to wear a SUIT in a packed nightclub? Won't you look funny bumping and grinding in a SUIT?

Sure it is great to look sharp, but keep in mind if you act like richie rich the girls will be afraid of fucking you too soon as they may see you as "the big catch".

Rockstar -

Are you saying this from experience (ie you have gone out 100's of nights in a Custom Suit and you ran into this) or are you just speculating with typical pick up artist thinking?

Because I have never had girls make me wait. But then again, I close hard.

And like you said, when is this: "she has to put on a front to impress you" a bad thing? Isn't that what Game is all about?

Hell, a guy in a Custom Suit does that without even saying a word. Now that is real Game if you ask me.

Sure you attract gold diggers, but they are everywhere. You also attract beautiful, rich girls with style, taste and class. (Good luck trying to do that and differentiating yourself along from the other 30 guys in the spot in their "skinny tees". If you can, more power to you. Not all of us are that advanced.)

That is the trade off you have to make when hitting up high-end spots.

Again, are you looking to marry the girl? Who cares if she is a golddigger as long as she is fly? I like swooping Platinum Diggers http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/01/pla...ggers.html

I will give you the packed nightclub thing. However, if you haven't noticed, smoking is all but eradicated in US nightclubs.

I don't go "bumping and grinding" in a nightclub. Some Salsa Game? Sure. Salsa is mad smooth in a Custom Suit.

And I don't go to nightclubs too much anymore. I go to restaurants and lounges.

More smooth.

Post: #102

"We all have different genetics which govern the age at which we grey and/or lose our hair, get wrinkles"

what you eat is a HUGE component to how your skin looks.

also, if you moisturize with cream on your face, especially at night.

Post: #103

(05-29-2011 09:39 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  I'm also in my 40's, and what you say is on point. I have some gray in my hair, and my chin is almost completely gray. My skin is still good, so I look a bit younger than I am when clean shaven. I played basketball until very recently, and try to work out regularly, so my body has stayed athletic. Personally, I don't try to talk to 20-somethings, but mid-30's to mid-40's is my range. At a certain point, women in their 30's and 40's don't go out to bars and clubs anymore as you noted. They go online. I don't know how you feel about online dating, but I use it to find 40-somethings that still look good (hopefully they have good, recent pics - check for date stamps or captions that have the dates). I've had good success finding international women this way, and have tapped a couple of out of state women also. Try online to find some of those local jewels that might be tucked away, in conjunction with active hunting in the field.

Load of crap. You have already given up.

Check out this woman. She doesn't let age define her.

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/05/29/erne...?ir=Canada

Post: #104

I'm not really into wearing suits when I go out...Maybe if I was a bit older I'd be more into it. The places I go tend to be mostly full of people in their early twenties, so nobody there is wearing suits.

I prefer the rocker look since it seems to resonate well with the young white girls here in the South.

Still, I do agree that you need some scratch if you want to say in the game long term. It seems like after a certain age, you can't continue to game chicks with the same low-budget strategy that worked when you were younger.

Post: #105

(05-30-2011 08:55 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  Check out this woman. She doesn't let age define her.

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/05/29/erne...?ir=Canada

I'm a sucker for toned bodies... but 74-years?

My penis is so confused.

Post: #106

(05-29-2011 09:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-29-2011 09:10 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  I've got a great answer for this. Because when she sees you wearing a nice suit and thinks you have money, you will:

1.) attract gold diggers

2.) she'll be even more pretentious and uppidty than normal because she feels she has to put on a front to impress you. She can screw any random bus boy for a quickie, but you, she'll make you WAIT so you VALUE her more. This is how women think. I do my best work when i'm wearing a $20 slim fit tee and a beat up pair of R&R jeans, and a nice cologne.

Plus with the suit thing, how many assholes in packed nightclubs are going to burn you with their smoke? Nightclubs are hot, why would you want to wear a SUIT in a packed nightclub? Won't you look funny bumping and grinding in a SUIT?

Sure it is great to look sharp, but keep in mind if you act like richie rich the girls will be afraid of fucking you too soon as they may see you as "the big catch".

Rockstar -

Are you saying this from experience (ie you have gone out 100's of nights in a Custom Suit and you ran into this) or are you just speculating with typical pick up artist thinking?

Because I have never had girls make me wait. But then again, I close hard.

And like you said, when is this: "she has to put on a front to impress you" a bad thing? Isn't that what Game is all about?

Hell, a guy in a Custom Suit does that without even saying a word. Now that is real Game if you ask me.

Sure you attract gold diggers, but they are everywhere. You also attract beautiful, rich girls with style, taste and class. (Good luck trying to do that and differentiating yourself along from the other 30 guys in the spot in their "skinny tees". If you can, more power to you. Not all of us are that advanced.)

That is the trade off you have to make when hitting up high-end spots.

Again, are you looking to marry the girl? Who cares if she is a golddigger as long as she is fly? I like swooping Platinum Diggers http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/01/pla...ggers.html

I will give you the packed nightclub thing. However, if you haven't noticed, smoking is all but eradicated in US nightclubs.

I don't go "bumping and grinding" in a nightclub. Some Salsa Game? Sure. Salsa is mad smooth in a Custom Suit.

And I don't go to nightclubs too much anymore. I go to restaurants and lounges.

More smooth.

You are trying too hard, pal. Unless you just came from a wedding or work, why would any chode dress up in a suit and tie unless he's TRYING TOO HARD. Trying too hard makes you look needy. Looking needy or like you are compensating for something means people snicker behind your back. Show up, be confident enough in your body that you don't have to cover it up in layers of clothing, and you'll see your response rate sky rocket.

Post: #107

Gride: i got a big kick out of your "blog". Using the term "fly" and "mad honies" went out in like 1997, so you may need to update your ebonics. That said, here is his little gem from his blog:

From Gmanifesto: A lot of people hate Gold Digger Girls. I like them. Many times they are more up-front, honest, and real than Civilian Girls. I actually look at them as a distant female cousin of The G. Think about it, like James Brown (RIP James) said, “It’s a Man’s World”. Sure women have more options than they did even 10 years ago, but there are still so many obstacles for the upwardly mobile woman. Who can really blame her for trying to move up in society by hustling and Marriage. The reason I really like them is because many times Platinum Diggers are Beautiful and Fly. Ex-Fitness Models, Ex-B-Movie Actresses, Catalogue Models, and fly Divorces of all types make for Great Platinum Diggers. I have been doing an unofficial Case Study and I have been able to track a Sharp increase of Platinum Diggers coming on the Market. Investment tip for 2007…go Long Platinum Diggers. I think it has to do with the increase of reality TV, the increase of girls Posing in Photos that reverse the efforts of the Women’s Movement, and Everyone wanting their 15 minutes of Fame. "

So wait just a minute- you are telling your average poster here to put up with this girls bullshit so he can get to the velvetty slit between her legs? Isn't every other d-bag attempting the same thing, only guys with more money and fame? Or how about the fact that even if you GET the girl you'll have to put up with her b.s. and expensive tastes? Do you advise your average college kid here to put on a false front (that the girl will see through in 2 seconds) so he can keep up appearances? Don't tell me you are so cool and "jiggay fly" that you can hit it once and not call her back. After you are invested in her, you will get strung out on that Pussy and you'll be just another beta begging for a second shot at that ass. Your total investment in suits, expensive dinners, lounges, etc just to GET the girl is a HUGE investment in mental, physical, and financial capital, and your ROI, in business terms is awfully low if she's not laying golden rooster eggs out of her pussy and handing them to you.

Shizzle! just my .02, G, don't bust a cap up in hurr!

Post: #108

costofsex.com to figure out Gmanifesto's average cost of a lay. What's yours?

$1,000 suit? $200 dinner? Maybe MAYBE take home one girl a weekend? That's an expensive piece of pie, and a lot of headache to go along with it. Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

Post: #109

(06-01-2011 11:03 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  costofsex.com to figure out Gmanifesto's average cost of a lay. What's yours?

$1,000 suit? $200 dinner? Maybe MAYBE take home one girl a weekend? That's an expensive piece of pie, and a lot of headache to go along with it. Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

Gmanifesto can more than defend himself, but I'll give a serious answer.

This man tuned me into next level shit. The suit doesn't have to be custom and certainly can be under $1000. Lower end brands Hugo Boss, J. Press, off the rack but tailored to fit along with your charm, class and amused mastery does wonders. The second a man stops acting like a spectator-sports-obsessed cargo short wearing nonce is the second he starts getting more out of life.

Anyone can be the guy in the t shirt and cargo shorts ordering rail drinks. I chose to earn a little bit and follow this man's advice.

One man's expensive illusion aimed at impressing people is another man's great style that allows him to get with girls to whom he beat off 10 years prior.

That "one girl a weekend" stays in your rotation while you're actively gaming and getting with other girls. Gaming and getting with other girls brings real confidence to the table.

It's not the only way, to be sure, but I can testify that it works.

Post: #110

(06-01-2011 11:03 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  costofsex.com to figure out Gmanifesto's average cost of a lay. What's yours?

$1,000 suit? $200 dinner? Maybe MAYBE take home one girl a weekend? That's an expensive piece of pie, and a lot of headache to go along with it. Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

I think you should read the rules of this board before you come on here running your mouth. Who are you and what is your blog?

G advocates $3500+ custom made saville row suits, do you know where Saville Row is?

He has never said or stated taking girls out for a $200 dinner. If you read his blog a recent article stated the opposite.

G - go easy on him lol

Post: #111

(06-03-2011 09:58 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 11:03 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

I think you should read the rules of this board before you come on here running your mouth. Who are you and what is your blog?

Rockstar asks a legitimate question. Some of you guys ride G's dick like you want to be his boyfriend or something. It's embarrassing.

I think what G writes here is interesting and he sounds like a nice guy, but if you read what he says and think you need this stuff your game is weak. Let's don't dance around the issue here, you are no different than any chump bragging about his money or his status to impress some chick.

I am getting the impression that a lot of the posters here are just guys killing time and don't really want to get women, they just want to fantasize about being James Bond.

Post: #112

And earlier, I think I misused the word 'crutch'. Crutches aren't bad, necessarily. I have admitted as much that when I was first making my transition from normal guy to whatever I am now I leveraged my fuckbuddy/roommate into other lays. Having a sure thing made it a lot easier to approach and interact with women because I was going to get laid no matter what.

But two things to clarify...

I think 'excuse' is the word I meant to use. Way too many guys are making excuses why they are not getting with women, and it is easier to blame your lack of bling or whatever for your lack of success rather than sucking it up and making it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value.

And thinking you are demonstrating higher value because you can flash bling is lame, lame, lame. If you have to have anything external to try to impress some woman you are coming from a weak position. You can argue with me or try to justify it to yourself however you like, but you are, really.

Post: #113

(06-01-2011 11:03 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  costofsex.com to figure out Gmanifesto's average cost of a lay. What's yours?

$1,000 suit? $200 dinner? Maybe MAYBE take home one girl a weekend? That's an expensive piece of pie, and a lot of headache to go along with it. Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

Money and girls are just prizes in the same game. Some people would rather spend their time stacking one than being a poor man´s casanova. Suit game saves time, which is the most important thing for some of us.

Post: #114

(06-03-2011 11:08 AM)Selva Wrote:  And earlier, I think I misused the word 'crutch'. Crutches aren't bad, necessarily. I have admitted as much that when I was first making my transition from normal guy to whatever I am now I leveraged my fuckbuddy/roommate into other lays. Having a sure thing made it a lot easier to approach and interact with women because I was going to get laid no matter what.

But two things to clarify...

I think 'excuse' is the word I meant to use. Way too many guys are making excuses why they are not getting with women, and it is easier to blame your lack of bling or whatever for your lack of success rather than sucking it up and making it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value.

And thinking you are demonstrating higher value because you can flash bling is lame, lame, lame. If you have to have anything external to try to impress some woman you are coming from a weak position. You can argue with me or try to justify it to yourself however you like, but you are, really.

Yeah i completely agree with you.I think that it is lame to have 2000 dollars suits to fuck chicks, i definetely dont need that shit, i think guys who believe in that, they havent fucked enough or are not naturally players, they fronting.

But i also understand G manifesto point about money being important,but money will be important to cover my travel expenses, to stay in a nice place, rent cars, pay a personal trainer..so money is always important, never ignore the money factor..but approach women with your natural skills.

Post: #115

(06-01-2011 10:55 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  So wait just a minute- you are telling your average poster here to put up with this girls bullshit so he can get to the velvetty slit between her legs? Isn't every other d-bag attempting the same thing, only guys with more money and fame? Or how about the fact that even if you GET the girl you'll have to put up with her b.s. and expensive tastes? Do you advise your average college kid here to put on a false front (that the girl will see through in 2 seconds) so he can keep up appearances? Don't tell me you are so cool and "jiggay fly" that you can hit it once and not call her back. After you are invested in her, you will get strung out on that Pussy and you'll be just another beta begging for a second shot at that ass. Your total investment in suits, expensive dinners, lounges, etc just to GET the girl is a HUGE investment in mental, physical, and financial capital, and your ROI, in business terms is awfully low if she's not laying golden rooster eggs out of her pussy and handing them to you.

Shizzle! just my .02, G, don't bust a cap up in hurr!

Well, from my understanding, when you are in LA and Miami (major glamour cities) you have to step your game up. Wearing t-shirts and dockers won't get you the dymes so I can kind of see where G is coming from.

Perhaps you could try getting a custom suit and seeing what happens? I'd love to get one, I'm just working on some cheese to get that poppin...like Mary.

Post: #116

(06-03-2011 11:53 AM)glassjawed Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 11:03 PM)Rockstar Wrote:  costofsex.com to figure out Gmanifesto's average cost of a lay. What's yours?

$1,000 suit? $200 dinner? Maybe MAYBE take home one girl a weekend? That's an expensive piece of pie, and a lot of headache to go along with it. Are you sure the advice you are doling out here is "solid" game, or an expensive illusion aimed at impressing people? Serious question.

Money and girls are just prizes in the same game. Some people would rather spend their time stacking one than being a poor man´s casanova. Suit game saves time, which is the most important thing for some of us.

If you live in Florida wearing a suit most of the year is ridiculous,we wear shorts.You can dress classy without wearing a suit or even pants thats just our culture, the girls here can tell the difference..

Post: #117

Good shit, G.

This is why I've started to spend more time on advancing my future and less on chasing women lately. Although, with all of the game I've learned in the past year... gaming women is easier than ever for me right now, even with less effort put into it.

Post: #118

Wow,some of you really have your heads up your ass.When i first started reading G's blog i also thought he was joking/full of shit. He isn't telling you to go out and spend 2000$ on suits or that you need to in order to fuck whores.Its a lifestyle.Roosh gave up his job and some more to live the way he lives now,that's roosh.Some of you cant see yourselfs or may not be the type to want to own and wear suits,stay at expensive hotels and own other expensive shit.But that doesn't mean others don't want and cant live that way.

Also who said about buying women 200$ meals? i read (forgot where)G saying he had hookups and that sometimes didn't even pay to eat at some restaurants.Again its a lifestyle.I'm sure G isn't wearing suits to the beach etc.I wear nice clothes because i like to look good,do i do it for the bitches? sure,But i mostly do it for me.... this is only my 2nd post so ill stop here..don't want to add fuel to the fire just mad because this was an awesome thread...

Post: #119

Nobody's saying you need this stuff but it helps and adds style and panache.
My friend was wearing a custom suit(He has a tailor who imports from Hong Kong) today at the mall with us while we were just having fun and doing "missions"(pointing out sets for each other). The custom suits definitely made a better initial impression on the girls.
He doesn't rely on them as a crutch, he has demonstrated sharp game on all types of lizards in all kind of skins, from average T-shirts to winter coats. However, a suit is still a nice add on that helps your initial approach and gets the girl wondering about you. Lets just admit it, A sharp custom suit is something that gets respect from guys and girls. You don't need it but it is a damn good bonus.

As I get older and make money I'll definitely buy some nice custom suits.

Post: #120

A lot of the posts/questions seem to be originating due to the fact that some guys are misunderstanding the concept by literally taking whatever someone seems to be writing or they are just posting them for the sake of it.

There is a big difference between fronting and doing something because you want and you like to. Fronting is very easily seen through, and you cannot fake it long term. One can get an expensive suit if one has the money, but to carry off an expensive suit or whatever requires more than just money. Trust me people people can see the difference between a guy flashing expensive stuff because he has the money and a guy who feels at home in them.

Now this is by no means required or necessary to be good with women, but if someone thinks they don't help then they are sadly mistaken to say the least.

Selva Wrote:I think 'excuse' is the word I meant to use. Way too many guys are making excuses why they are not getting with women, and it is easier to blame your lack of bling or whatever for your lack of success rather than sucking it up and making it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value.

And thinking you are demonstrating higher value because you can flash bling is lame, lame, lame. If you have to have anything external to try to impress some woman you are coming from a weak position. You can argue with me or try to justify it to yourself however you like, but you are, really.

I am not defending people who use lack of expensive stuff as an excuse for not being good with women, but I don't really get this whole "make it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value" part.

So how exactly does one display inherent value? Inherent values can only be exposed through external value and actions. One could be a powerful man with millions in the bank, but if you dress like a bum people will think you are a bum, as simple as that.

It is just like how guys want to be with the hottest women who take care of themselves and are dressed nice etc. Its not like you are going after girls who don't take care of themselves and are dressed in rags because of inherent value that these chicks might have. And you know what, there might be some really cool chicks who might look like crap, but its not like you go after them to find out about it, right?

It works the same way, when people see a man dressed up and looking crisp, they assume and perceive a confident man at the very least on first look. Now this does not have to come with a custom suit, or an expensive dinner. But if you have the means, and you want that lifestyle I don't see what is wrong in that.

Rockstar Wrote:Your total investment in suits, expensive dinners, lounges, etc just to GET the girl is a HUGE investment in mental, physical, and financial capital, and your ROI, in business terms is awfully low if she's not laying golden rooster eggs out of her pussy and handing them to you.

You are saying this under the assumption that all the above are being done to get a girl or girls. What if that is not true? I like having nice clothes, and I don't get them for girls. I get them for myself. So you are telling me I should stop buying nice clothes because it can be perceived as if I am doing it for girls?

And by the way, your analogy with a business and ROI is a bit off the mark I must say. It's like comparing food from the street to food from a star restaurant. Yes I probably get more quantity at the cheaper place, but not the same quality of stuff. You cannot expect to be in a place which has extremely fine classy women, if you are not willing to invest in making yourself part of that kind of circle.

Truth of the matter is, you need monetary and external items to display your superiority, worth, inherent value or whatever you want to call it. Now that stinks, but well that is how it works. You know why even in tribal groups and whatever, the chief of the tribe looks different or wears different attire than the rest, to display the difference in hierarchy. That is how we have evolved, and it reflects in how things work in the world.

And I don't get this "average poster" bit that a lot of people are using either. If you are average, then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum. I thought that was the whole point, that you don't want to be an average Joe.

If you were referring to "average" in terms of means/wealth even in that case, a lot of people are rising above or want to rise above that stage. So it is not just women that we are interested in and have interests in other stuff too.

Yes you can game and score women without money, nice clothes, a car and while living in your parents' basement. But you should not expect to score super models and celebrities while in that position. So the question becomes who do you and can you score with without any monetary effects and with those external things?

I am not here defending G, because I am pretty sure he can do that himself but it is just annoying when a lot of the threads get hijacked in to such banal arguments bashing each other.

Everyone has their own view on what works and what doesn't, what works for you might not work for someone else and the other way around.

All that said, no one said you need to have custom suits and have expensive stuff to get women. But if you think you don't need anything and can still get with any women because of your "inherent value", you are only deluding yourself. Forget women, you need money to sustain yourself and have a comfortable life and that is the bottom line.

And you know what is helpful in a forum, rather than bashing others, how about you post what works for you and how successful it is so that others can learn from you?

Post: #121

(06-04-2011 01:24 AM)torontokid Wrote:  However, a suit is still a nice add on that helps your initial approach and gets the girl wondering about you. Lets just admit it, A sharp custom suit is something that gets respect from guys and girls. You don't need it but it is a damn good bonus.

This is true. I've noticed that when I go out, even if I'm wearing just a dress shirt and tie, I get respect from people who address me as "sir" instead of "hey you." It makes people think you have something important to do (DHV). If I'm lucky, a few girls sometimes even ask me why I'm all dressed up. One guy thought I was a lawyer or a businessman.

Post: #122

This will be my last post in this thread because I am bored.

Before the economic downturn I had a nice online business and was healthy and in decent shape. I got lots of pussy.

In the downturn my clients hit a rough spot and my business went away. I had a health issue that left me unable to exercise and I gained about 50 pounds. I bought cheap clothes to hide my fat until I could wear my nice clothes again. How did this all effect my sex life? I got more pussy than before.

Why? Because my inner game had developed to the point where I didn't need the clothes or the money, I could get women without them.

That was my original point. I found that as I get older I am just better at getting women, no matter the circumstances.

So you guys keep talking about the clothes and I'll keep talking about inner game.

Post: #123

(06-04-2011 11:11 AM)Selva Wrote:  How did this all effect my sex life? I got more pussy than before.

Yes, but was the pussy the same quality as before.

Any guy can get lots of pussy, as long as he lowers his standards enough.

Post: #124

Selva you are deluded mate and talking nonsense. Cheap clothes, no money and 50 pounds over-weight, are you saying the level of pussy stayed the same. LOL
Well I assume you must be living in Peru!! Most "A" type cities in North America that combination you talk about would leave you out of the game. Women generally like to be seen with a well dressed man, the clothes G Manifesto talks about are top of the range. In most American cities that would be way out of place, but he is rolling in major markets like Miami/LA not Des Moines Iowa.
Taking pussy out of the equation, when you dress up people respect you. I can tell alot about someone by the way they dress, a suit that does not fit well says alot about the person. Personally, I have a few Armani outfits that I like to wear once in awhile, I always get compliments.

Post: #125

There is really no debate on this. Its quite simple.

Lifestyle & Clothes / Style whether that be a nice pair of jeans and a t-shirt or a suit, or even some rocker / alternative shit is SOLELY DEPENDENT UPON TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC AND LOCATION.

If you are in a place with young 20 something blue collar establishment than a custom suit would not be optimal for pickup. A nice pair of fitted jeans and fitted tshirt or collar shirt would be much better.

If you are in a upscale lounge with 30+ crowd than a suit would be most optimal for pickup.

If you are going to a rock concert or alternative event than some skinny jeans and some other weird shit would be optimal for pickup.

Not just for clothes. Lifestyle is the same. If you want to roll with and be in the inner circle of rich connected people you are gonna need a better gig than serving at the local Olive Garden.

No one look or style is the best. Each one is the best in a certain situation and location with the right demographic.

For example when I go to an urban club or bar I bring out my fitted cap. I dont wear that when I go to a country club. When I go to Charlotte i bring out the nice button up shirts. I dont where that stuff alot in my home town.

Key is adaptation. And if you aint got it, you better fake it!