Post: #51

(11-27-2018 03:33 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Hey, recent news...GM is laying off thousands...mostly older men.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/...roduction/

They were just bragging about how they have a female CEO and a female CTO. "First major company ever to have 2 female leaders".

So here's the reminder, in case you guys don't already know this a dozen ways: women are utterly incompetant as senior corporate executives. The reason is rather hidden....they are oblivious to older men. It's genetic for them. Their minds automatically shut down when they see an older man. He ceases to exist and she'll let him die without the slightest interest.

That's why women leaders ALWAYS fail. Because inevitably the men in their organizations revolt. These organizations are all built around various levels of grizzled old guys who know their parts of the organization in huge detail. If they revolt, your organization dies. Women leaders always end up pissing off these old dudes and the company starts to sink.

Sure, layoffs happen, but if you do them heartlessly or stupidly, they will tear the fabric of the organization apart. Male CEOs understand this because, they are older men too and they have a sense of duty to their fellow men. They are ruthless guys, but they know how to couch it so their ruthlessness is mostly accepted. Women leaders do not understand this and invevitably screw it up and lose the allegiance of their command structure.

That is why women CEOs and managers are such failures. Women managers can be ok if you are young man...they'll acknowledge your existence and treat you well. Once you get older, you'll see how they screw you over relentlessly.

Mind you, this is after American taxpayers (i.e. white men) saved GM from certain death with a $10 Billion bailout. Not only do they have zero loyalty to their own workers or customers, they clearly have a spiteful attitude to their own country.

Post: #52

(05-07-2015 05:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Having a boss period can be a headache.

Lesbians are women so treat accordingly.

My boss is a woman, I tend to get hired by them more than men. I play her like a piano.

This. A lesbian is a woman. Not only that, but they're woman who don't have a man in their lives to delegate responsibility. They're tired of playing "man" and suffering other woman's mood changes, so they appreciate and admire the stability of manliness. That should make it easy to make natural hierarchy trump corporate hierarchy. I've had lesbians eating from my hand. Sounds like some people are afraid to be out-manned by a woman; I'll abstain to comment on that.

Post: #53

(11-28-2018 10:42 AM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 05:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Having a boss period can be a headache.

Lesbians are women so treat accordingly.

My boss is a woman, I tend to get hired by them more than men. I play her like a piano.

This. A lesbian is a woman. Not only that, but they're woman who don't have a man in their lives to delegate responsibility. They're tired of playing "man" and suffering other woman's mood changes, so they appreciate and admire the stability of manliness. That should make it easy to make natural hierarchy trump corporate hierarchy. I've had lesbians eating from my hand. Sounds like some people are afraid to be out-manned by a woman; I'll abstain to comment on that.

An apt username for a guy who makes a post like this. Not a drop of sarcasm in that observation either.

Post: #54

(11-27-2018 04:39 PM)moneyshot Wrote:  As a currently unemployed young man who has had but one real job in my life (theme park ride operator), working for mostly female bosses, (basically park-area monitors) both hetero and homo, I will throw my hat in the ring of "NAFBALT". One of them moved up to parkwide rides manager and was completely qualified. She saved the BS for female underlings outside of work, and it was for the most part deserved on their part. Few complaints other than occasionally getting assigned to rides that nobody liked to run anyway.

Anecdotal B.S. Write back when you have a statistically valid sample size. Say, 30 yrs+ of working in a white collar job for 10+ women bosses and 1,000+ women colleagues, and throw in 100+ women subordinates. That's a useful sample size on which to base an opinion. Your "I worked in a theme park once and had an ok female manager" story is harmful if people think it is the norm, in the same way as me saying "You've got a brain tumor? So i had a headache once and drank some vinegar and three days later the headache went away. So don't go to brain surgeon. Drink vinegar". ANYONE following my advice deserves what happens next. Because, since i really don't know what i'm talking about with respect to brain tumors, i should just STFU. You too?

Post: #55

(05-07-2015 05:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Having a boss WITH A period can be a headache.

There fixed it for you...

Post: #56

(11-28-2018 10:42 AM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 05:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Having a boss period can be a headache.

Lesbians are women so treat accordingly.

My boss is a woman, I tend to get hired by them more than men. I play her like a piano.

This. A lesbian is a woman. Not only that, but they're woman who don't have a man in their lives to delegate responsibility. They're tired of playing "man" and suffering other woman's mood changes, so they appreciate and admire the stability of manliness. That should make it easy to make natural hierarchy trump corporate hierarchy. I've had lesbians eating from my hand. Sounds like some people are afraid to be out-manned by a woman; I'll abstain to comment on that.

Can you give us real-world examples of the out-of-hand eating? That and "I play my women bosses like a piano" sounds like something every guy thinks he ought to say, and hey, it doesn't sound so hard, does it? But in my considerable experience, women bosses are generally uncontrollable nightmares who micro-manage their employees like children. And every time someone says "No, you just GAME 'em!!", i hear "I've never actually done it, but I bet i could! If i ever had an office job. In the meantime, I'll say I did".

So, please: Share some credible real-world stories of you exploiting women's moods and having lesbians eating out of your hands. As much detail as possible. I'm talking competitive, white-collar professional experiences. If it involves food service or wearing a mascot costume at a theme park, it's not particularly relevant to most of the men on this board.

I knew a guy who went camping in the Everglades once. People told him to watch out for alligators. This tough guy replied "They gotta watch out for me!" Same attitude. And this guy never accomplished dick in life.

There are some things that are forces of nature, and you don't fuck with them: The power of the ocean, a grizzly bear protecting her cubs, and the like. You just stay FAR, FAR away. Female bosses are like that: It's an unnatural situation for a masculine man to take orders from a woman, and if you find yourself in that situation, your best situation is to QUICKLY find the nearest exit. Not to pretend, "No, it's ok - I'm gonna GAME her!". Good luck with that. The power dynamic is all bass-ackwards. You can almost never game a woman who thinks lesser of you. And if YOU are in the lowly position of reporting to her, whether you like to admit it or not, she thinks of you as an ant.

Post: #57

Running game on a female boss requires a certain level of relative superior SMV, and while it can work it's a demeaning exercise that has a shelf life whereafter her unresolved attraction turns to bitterness and you're in a worse place than the ugly beta own the hall who took his licks and kept his head down.

It's a temporary solution at best and costs you a little piece of your manhood, as compromising your integrity for any woman does.

Post: #58

It's the same with most gays, male or female. They hate all heterosexuals. This is why gays shouldn't never be in charged. You will also notice they will only hire gays.

Post: #59

(11-28-2018 10:26 PM)The Father Wrote:  Anecdotal B.S. Write back when you have a statistically valid sample size. Say, 30 yrs+ of working in a white collar job for 10+ women bosses and 1,000+ women colleagues, and throw in 100+ women subordinates. That's a useful sample size on which to base an opinion.

The rest of the "evidence" being presented itt isn't less anecdotal than mine? Personal experience is inherently so, no matter how big the sample size. The sentiment/assertion of the thread title and discussion seems to be "lesbian bosses spell the death of your employment as well as the organizations' at some point". There's nothing wrong with me simply posting about my small experience to the contrary.

And the owners of the park I worked at went through multiple buyouts/mergers while I worked there. That, far more than simply the presence of females in power positions, killed off the great culture that the workplace had early on in my tenure there, and eventually would have eliminated my position anyway.

Post: #60

(11-27-2018 04:39 PM)moneyshot Wrote:  As a currently unemployed young man who has had but one real job in my life (theme park ride operator), working for mostly female bosses, (basically park-area monitors) both hetero and homo, I will throw my hat in the ring of "NAFBALT". One of them moved up to parkwide rides manager and was completely qualified. She saved the BS for female underlings outside of work, and it was for the most part deserved on their part. Few complaints other than occasionally getting assigned to rides that nobody liked to run anyway.

Quote:The rest of the "evidence" being presented itt isn't less anecdotal than mine? Personal experience is inherently so, no matter how big the sample size. The sentiment/assertion of the thread title and discussion seems to be "lesbian bosses spell the death of your employment as well as the organizations' at some point".

Moneyshot, you're a young guy just starting out. I'm sure you're a good guy, no insult intended. But there is some good info here from older guys like me and TheFather that might help you as you get into higher level jobs. Why not sit back and listen? Some of this might not apply to you but a lot of it will. In fact, you may face discrimination by lesbo bosses that is much worse than what I faced 20 years ago or 10 years ago.

Just for the record, for everybody, SURE when you are young and pretty (as I was back in the dark ages) women in general treat you better. Women like boys. They like boys because boys are less threatening and nice servants. I don't say "servant" to be insulting, that's just the reality of being young man and having a job -- you are a servant to your manager, that's your role. Sure, you could get a job as a waiter or a park ride operator or a software developer, as a young man you may do just fine with lesbians because they see you as a fine asset for their little harem.

When I was 20, working in a factory for a lesbian manager (of course I only realized that later, I was too naive back then) she liked me just fine. She treated me exactly the way a teacher would treat a boy in school...as long as I got my work done and made her look good, she put up with my existence.

The challenge is when you get old enough to start accumulating power and experience of your own. When you get into management and then, you are competitor to them. Everything changes guys. Don't be stupid and fail to recognize that as you become an older man, everything about the way society treats you will change. It will happen incredibly fast.

Anyway good luck to all. Anybody who wants to stake their future on "gaming" lesbian bosses, I wish the very best of luck. I personally will stick to male bosses. I see zero upside to wasting time with man haters. It's like intentionally sticking your hand in a burning fire to prove how smart you are.

Post: #61

Gaming is inherently a roll of the dice. No matter how good you are, every once in a while you roll a 1. So you might Game 5 Lesbian Managers in a row - only for the 6th one to wind up hating you.

Male bosses might like you, they might not like you, but if you do the job you'll be treated well enough. Since this post is pretty autistic already, let's say the male boss's favour will give you a +/- of 20%. With female bosses the emotions are a lot stronger, and if she hates you she'll do everything in her power to undermine you.

Post: #62

In my experience a male manager is more likely to see you as competition, especially if you have a high profile. It's in our nature to lock horns when we think our territory might be under threat from another male. Female managers, on the other hand, tend to like a dependable right-hand-man they can lean on and may even let you lead in the shadow if you're a natural leader and they feel overwhelmed. It's also in their nature. And that results in top appraisals and references.

Post: #63

(11-29-2018 04:21 AM)supporttheright Wrote:  It's the same with most gays, male or female. They hate all heterosexuals. This is why gays shouldn't never be in charged. You will also notice they will only hire gays.

Gay men were considered untrustworthy throughout history.

Just sayin'...

Post: #64

(11-29-2018 01:42 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Gaming is inherently a roll of the dice. No matter how good you are, every once in a while you roll a 1. So you might Game 5 Lesbian Managers in a row - only for the 6th one to wind up hating you.

Real world version:
- You work for 10 women. 1 is really great to work for. 2 are OK, good enough. 1 is just "meh". 3 are terrible to work for. 2 get you fired and try to ruin your career.

And that's STRAIGHT women. The idea that you will successfully "game" 5 out of 6 bull-dykes...oh c'mon, son! Just say "I'm 24 and never really had a job that doesn't involve asking 'Would you like fries with that'. "

Post: #65

(11-29-2018 03:16 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  In my experience a male manager is more likely to see you as competition, especially if you have a high profile. It's in our nature to lock horns when we think our territory might be under threat from another male. Female managers, on the other hand, tend to like a dependable right-hand-man they can lean on and may even let you lead in the shadow if you're a natural leader and they feel overwhelmed. It's also in their nature. And that results in top appraisals and references.

Again, can you tell us more about this "experience"? Details. How many years, what industries, what function? Because honestly, when you say "Female managers, on the other hand, tend to like a dependable right-hand-man they can lean on and may even let you lead", I hear "I imagine that Female managers...". My 30 yrs of experience tells me women get downright indignant when people presume that a male subordinate is actually their boss, and to avoid this at all costs, NEVER let you lead and NEVER stop reminding people they are "the boss"...

This thread has become kiddie hour, the imaginings of chivalrous young men. Go ahead, take their advice. I dare you.

Post: #66

In my industry (IT) there seem to be more and more female managers. They accept low salaries, are loyal rule followers, and usually have decent social skills if they are a manger. They also can rarely do the actual work. What we are seeing is more corporate HR managerial types and less earning their stripes in lower jobs.

Take note of how many women are in the department as a whole, this is bellweather to the overall corporate culture. If you are dealing with one lesbo in an otherwise male dominated office, you should be fine. If you are in meetings with 50% women, you are in trouble.

With a Lesbian boss, in a female corporate culture.... Don't expect to get promoted. To many vaginas she can maneuver ahead of you. Do your job well, get some experience and make a lateral move now or in 1 - 2 years.

Post: #67

Here's what I think about this, and I'm sure The Stronger Sex is trying to say something similar.

If I have to choose between a male manager and a female manager, with no other information about them other than their sex, I'd pick a male manager every single time, no second thought.

However, if I were a young guy starting out his career (like the one writing to MrLemon asking for advice), and for some reason I found myself having a lesbian boss, I'd use my social skills to get the best out of that situation rather than quitting like a completely irresponsible idiot. As my own experiences (and same with other anecdotal ones here) informed me, I could actually get quite a lot out of it. No it wasn't a low paying blue collar job, I got promoted all the way to a rather decent paying managerial position in a white collar department before turning 25. Eventually I left and found even better jobs, and I have not had a female boss since, not likely to have one ever again due to my niche and top reputation.

I am tired of the over-exaggerated negativity from some of our frequent posters here especially when they are framed as advice to young men. This is at its core a self-improvement place, we seek solutions to challenges we find ourselves in, not wallowing in the MGTOW quit-it-all attitude. There's too much defeatist attitude both here and the Game forum right now. Everything is too hard, everything is doom and gloom if you're a young guy. Where is the neo-masculine spirit? Sometimes I feel there's more bitching about life going on here than on Jezebel or Salon.

Young guys, you can indeed make lemonade out of lemons if you improve yourself, your social skills and your Game. Don't wallow in negativity, don't copy the sense of despair from these older blokes. They failed, but there are other who succeeded, and you too can achieve that. Stay positive, keep improving and you will get much more out of life than you ever imagine.

Post: #68

(11-29-2018 08:13 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 01:42 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Gaming is inherently a roll of the dice. No matter how good you are, every once in a while you roll a 1. So you might Game 5 Lesbian Managers in a row - only for the 6th one to wind up hating you.

Real world version:
- You work for 10 women. 1 is really great to work for. 2 are OK, good enough. 1 is just "meh". 3 are terrible to work for. 2 get you fired and try to ruin your career.

And that's STRAIGHT women. The idea that you will successfully "game" 5 out of 6 bull-dykes...oh c'mon, son! Just say "I'm 24 and never really had a job that doesn't involve asking 'Would you like fries with that'. "

Aurini BTFO.



How will he ever recover!?

p.s. I agree with StrikeBack, but you want to be making lemonade out of those lemons. Nobody gets kudos for making lemon juice.

Post: #69

Good catch there old man, I'm a bit tired after a long day. Corrected.

Post: #70

Aurini is a 24 year old McDJ? lol wut

But yeah, the treatment you get as a young man is different. You're not a threat, simple as that.

Post: #71

Ok so, I'm going to make a proposal for a SYSTEM that can combine all these fine posts together.

Let me propose the LSM -- Lesbian Survival Metric. (Copyright 2018, Mr. Lemon, All rights reserved)

The LSM measures how much you can expect, on average, to "win" with Lesbian bosses as you get older. It's a simple linear scale, unless one of you guys can convince me to make it exponential.

At age 18, your LSM is a highly favorable 90%.

By age 30, your LSM is 50%, which means, out of 10 potential rug-mucher bosses, a total of 5 will fuck you over and destroy any future job prospects at that firm.

By age 45, your LSA is a dark 80%, which means that 8/10 hags will stick their morgul-knives in your back when least expected.

By age 60 -- well, you know.

Post: #72

Ok so, I'm going to make a proposal for a SYSTEM that can combine all these fine posts together.

Let me propose the LSM -- Lesbian Survival Metric. (Copyright 2018, Mr. Lemon, All rights reserved)

The LSM measures how much you can expect, on average, to "win" with Lesbian bosses as you get older. It's a simple linear scale, unless one of you guys can convince me to make it exponential.

At age 18, your LSM is a highly favorable 90%. You can be their token boy, and you should, because you could get a good gig this way.

By age 30, your LSM is 50%, which means, out of 10 potential rug-mucher bosses, a total of 5 will fuck you over and destroy any future job prospects at that firm.

By age 45, your LSA is a dark 80%, which means that 8/10 scheming hags will stick their morgul-knives in your back when least expected.

By age 60 -- well, you know.

Post: #73

Actually, the English word is "harakiri".

Still a stupid word, since the Japanese have their own (seppuku), but less stupid than "hari-kari".

Cheers.

Post: #74

(11-30-2018 01:44 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Ok so, I'm going to make a proposal for a SYSTEM that can combine all these fine posts together.

Let me propose the LSM -- Lesbian Survival Metric. (Copyright 2018, Mr. Lemon, All rights reserved)

The LSM measures how much you can expect, on average, to "win" with Lesbian bosses as you get older. It's a simple linear scale, unless one of you guys can convince me to make it exponential.

At age 18, your LSM is a highly favorable 90%. You can be their token boy, and you should, because you could get a good gig this way.

By age 30, your LSM is 50%, which means, out of 10 potential rug-mucher bosses, a total of 5 will fuck you over and destroy any future job prospects at that firm.

By age 45, your LSA is a dark 80%, which means that 8/10 scheming hags will stick their morgul-knives in your back when least expected.

By age 60 -- well, you know.

Bollocks. A lesbian hates a young man as much, or more, than an old man. It's the young men who fuck the girls THEY want to get. The idea that, at 30, only half of lesbian managers will be difficult is made-up wishful thinking.

Post: #75

(11-30-2018 02:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  you want to be making lemonade out of those lemons. Nobody gets kudos for making lemon juice.

Sure, but there's not enough sugar in the world to turn a sour-faced lesbo lemon sweet

Better idea: Don't take the job reporting to the lesbo lemon. Go work for a like-minded male boss who sees the world the way you do. That's like choosing to eat cherries instead of lemons. Working for a lesbian isn't like getting cancer - you have some say in the matter! Like, choose a DIFFERENT job! Why the fuck would you choose to eat lemons when there's a super-market full of better-tasting stuff??