Post: #51

I spoke with the Lizard of Oz about one of his previous comments in this thread, and I want to post it here in case it helps anyone else wanting to learn more about these issues.

The Lizard of Oz Wrote:None of this implies that one need not bother, or that a good and successful marriage is impossible; in some contexts it may not only be possible, but perfectly likely. And in any case, the species must go on, and so it will, and men and women will continue to find ways to get together and get it done, no matter what anybody thinks or says. But for those men who are in search of a "solution" to the problem, one that immunizes them to the vagaries of female nature -- well, there is none to be found.

I agree that men and women are finding ways to get together in one form or another... hell, even girls who are making pornography that ends up all over the internet for millions of men are doing this to a certain degree, but I think there's a fundamental shift where monogamous committed relationships just aren't going to be the solution anymore in today's world. We're seeing this happen in highly developed places like Japan and the marriage rate is dropping severely in the U.S. so I think things really are changing if we analyze what's presently going on. I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

We're not turning back the clock, but moving towards a future where relationships are more casual and less serious, and probably less likely to form at all.

Post: #52

(04-30-2015 09:38 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  ...I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

The thing is we do know how the system is supposed to look like according to the world social planners. It's Brave New World - constant mindless fucking, everyone living by himself, children completely apart from families - at best created in artificial wombs with no bonding to mother and father.

That is the goal - we will see whether they will manage it.

10-20 years will still give plenty of opportunities for healthy relationships for the Red Pill men with Game who know how to steer the stormy waters.

Post: #53

^^^ it does seem that this is the way it's going.

The toxicity created by the cultural elite between women and men is incredibly destructive. I don't want to blame it all on women, and I know I'm preaching to the choir somewhat, but at the top you basically have elites implementing all sorts of autocratic policies and directives that are family-dsetructive and also by and large impact men much more negatively than women. And of course make the average citizen more reliant on government and easier to watch and control.

When you tell women 24/7 that "they don't need a man", men are the reason for all their problems and that they are strong enough to "do it on their own" and at the same time have social welfare policies that give them the opportunity to raise children without fathers (on the taxpayer's dime) then you're basically giving a big "fuck you" to men out there that want to do the right thing, especially in the middle class. The government's policy is essentially to outsource fatherhood and use men as the scapegoat for everything on the fringes.

Men aren't really all that free in the west if they cannot pursue and realistically accomplish the goal of having a family, a loving wife who focuses on children in much of her time at least at the beginning, and not have the threat of losing everything if things start to hit a rough patch.

IMO right now western women can often be seen as being as a threat in many ways to a man's mere existence and safety, whether it's via divorce rape, false rape claims, faux sexual harassment suits in the workplace, or just pure nagging / mental harassment (something that doesn't get enough coverage, but I see all the time in marriages I've observed. Women are generally entitled, aggressive and mean-spirited in many of them, and worse simply do not and are told by all the messages around them in the media and society to not respect their men (rather they disrespect them)).

(To any women lurkers out there, re the above, that's on you, what are you going to do about it to make the world a better and fairer place? )

Post: #54

(04-24-2015 02:49 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  This post has rubbed me the wrong way since it was posted, and I want express my unhappiness with its content and tone.

It's posts like these that make me think this board is turning into a reverse image of Jezebel.

You're spot on with that whole post. Saying all women are like that is a bitter attitude, dare I say it, victim hood. Its an impossible statement to make, not supported by history or biology. Misery loves company. A cautious tale for other men to learn from, that's the only good that comes out of these situations.

It is simple and doesn't take many words to trace all these problems men have with women to government policies. It's like beating a dead horse on here but that's the source of our problems. Its collapsing though, soon enough

Post: #55

(04-30-2015 09:38 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  I agree that men and women are finding ways to get together in one form or another... hell, even girls who are making pornography that ends up all over the internet for millions of men are doing this to a certain degree, but I think there's a fundamental shift where monogamous committed relationships just aren't going to be the solution anymore in today's world. We're seeing this happen in highly developed places like Japan and the marriage rate is dropping severely in the U.S. so I think things really are changing if we analyze what's presently going on. I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

We're not turning back the clock, but moving towards a future where relationships are more casual and less serious, and probably less likely to form at all.

This isn't some natural evolution. The cultures that are going away from marriage and a traditional family structure are sick and dying.

As others have pointed out, these mutations, if you will, are only being allowed to survive by the people who benefit from more workers, a more fragmented society, etc.

It's of no benefit to the individual to do more work for less money, to have less of a support structure, to have less and weaker children, etc.

It'd be like catching a bird with a missing wing and raising it in your home, then comparing it to a bird in the wild and saying, "Look how much better off the bird with one wing is. He's always well-fed and doesn't have to worry about predators. Turns out birds don't need two wings after all".

Post: #56

(04-30-2015 09:38 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  I spoke with the Lizard of Oz about one of his previous comments in this thread, and I want to post it here in case it helps anyone else wanting to learn more about these issues.

The Lizard of Oz Wrote:None of this implies that one need not bother, or that a good and successful marriage is impossible; in some contexts it may not only be possible, but perfectly likely. And in any case, the species must go on, and so it will, and men and women will continue to find ways to get together and get it done, no matter what anybody thinks or says. But for those men who are in search of a "solution" to the problem, one that immunizes them to the vagaries of female nature -- well, there is none to be found.

I agree that men and women are finding ways to get together in one form or another... hell, even girls who are making pornography that ends up all over the internet for millions of men are doing this to a certain degree, but I think there's a fundamental shift where monogamous committed relationships just aren't going to be the solution anymore in today's world. We're seeing this happen in highly developed places like Japan and the marriage rate is dropping severely in the U.S. so I think things really are changing if we analyze what's presently going on. I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

We're not turning back the clock, but moving towards a future where relationships are more casual and less serious, and probably less likely to form at all.

Sorry man, but you've internalized feminist "free-love" propaganda without realizing it. Starting in the 1960's, everyone was talking about "free-love" and contraceptives never have been done before, moving toward a new future, etc. etc.

All bullshit. Contraceptives, birth-control (formerly known as infanticide), debauchery, etc. have been around forever. Romans did it, the Muslims did, Chinese have as well, every time leads to massive societal collapse followed by dark ages.

It's not hard to see what the next 100 years will be like, the hard part is accepting it.

Post: #57

(05-01-2015 06:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:38 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  I spoke with the Lizard of Oz about one of his previous comments in this thread, and I want to post it here in case it helps anyone else wanting to learn more about these issues.

The Lizard of Oz Wrote:None of this implies that one need not bother, or that a good and successful marriage is impossible; in some contexts it may not only be possible, but perfectly likely. And in any case, the species must go on, and so it will, and men and women will continue to find ways to get together and get it done, no matter what anybody thinks or says. But for those men who are in search of a "solution" to the problem, one that immunizes them to the vagaries of female nature -- well, there is none to be found.

I agree that men and women are finding ways to get together in one form or another... hell, even girls who are making pornography that ends up all over the internet for millions of men are doing this to a certain degree, but I think there's a fundamental shift where monogamous committed relationships just aren't going to be the solution anymore in today's world. We're seeing this happen in highly developed places like Japan and the marriage rate is dropping severely in the U.S. so I think things really are changing if we analyze what's presently going on. I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

We're not turning back the clock, but moving towards a future where relationships are more casual and less serious, and probably less likely to form at all.

Sorry man, but you've internalized feminist "free-love" propaganda without realizing it. Starting in the 1960's, everyone was talking about "free-love" and contraceptives never have been done before, moving toward a new future, etc. etc.

All bullshit. Contraceptives, birth-control (formerly known as infanticide), debauchery, etc. have been around forever. Romans did it, the Muslims did, Chinese have as well, every time leads to massive societal collapse followed by dark ages.

It's not hard to see what the next 100 years will be like, the hard part is accepting it.

I couldn't care less if American culture collapses. I don't care about all those potential Burger King employees that got aborted. The point I was trying to make is that none of us are going to see this go away in our lifetimes. Has birth control went away? Are marriage rates going up or down? Are you more or less likely to find a girl worth marrying and having kids with than 30 years ago? Have fun sacrificing yourself trying to be a traditionalist in the contemporary U.S. or a comparable culture. It's basically like being labelled a neo-nazi with all the same stigmas. That movement started in the 19th century and has always been marginalized.

American culture and others similar to it are probably doomed. I'm just trying to be practical not complaining about a social order we "should be seeing" that will never exist in our lifetimes. Why sacrifice yourself for something that is doomed to failure? Being dead serious about traditionalism in 2015 in a developed country will have you being alone in your room reading Julius Evola books. It's probably worse for the human race as a whole over time that these traditions are dead, but these are the cards we're dealt.

Post: #58

(05-01-2015 11:55 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 06:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 09:38 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  I spoke with the Lizard of Oz about one of his previous comments in this thread, and I want to post it here in case it helps anyone else wanting to learn more about these issues.

The Lizard of Oz Wrote:None of this implies that one need not bother, or that a good and successful marriage is impossible; in some contexts it may not only be possible, but perfectly likely. And in any case, the species must go on, and so it will, and men and women will continue to find ways to get together and get it done, no matter what anybody thinks or says. But for those men who are in search of a "solution" to the problem, one that immunizes them to the vagaries of female nature -- well, there is none to be found.

I agree that men and women are finding ways to get together in one form or another... hell, even girls who are making pornography that ends up all over the internet for millions of men are doing this to a certain degree, but I think there's a fundamental shift where monogamous committed relationships just aren't going to be the solution anymore in today's world. We're seeing this happen in highly developed places like Japan and the marriage rate is dropping severely in the U.S. so I think things really are changing if we analyze what's presently going on. I don't think anyone really knows what the state of male-female relationships is going to look like in 10 or 20 years, but I don't think they will be the same as 10 or 20 years in the past.

We're not turning back the clock, but moving towards a future where relationships are more casual and less serious, and probably less likely to form at all.

Sorry man, but you've internalized feminist "free-love" propaganda without realizing it. Starting in the 1960's, everyone was talking about "free-love" and contraceptives never have been done before, moving toward a new future, etc. etc.

All bullshit. Contraceptives, birth-control (formerly known as infanticide), debauchery, etc. have been around forever. Romans did it, the Muslims did, Chinese have as well, every time leads to massive societal collapse followed by dark ages.

It's not hard to see what the next 100 years will be like, the hard part is accepting it.

I couldn't care less if American culture collapses. I don't care about all those potential Burger King employees that got aborted. The point I was trying to make is that none of us are going to see this go away in our lifetimes. Has birth control went away? Are marriage rates going up or down? Are you more or less likely to find a girl worth marrying and having kids with than 30 years ago? Have fun sacrificing yourself trying to be a traditionalist in the contemporary U.S. or a comparable culture. It's basically like being labelled a neo-nazi with all the same stigmas. That movement started in the 19th century and has always been marginalized.

American culture and others similar to it are probably doomed. I'm just trying to be practical not complaining about a social order we "should be seeing" that will never exist in our lifetimes. Why sacrifice yourself for something that is doomed to failure? Being dead serious about traditionalism in 2015 in a developed country will have you being alone in your room reading Julius Evola books. It's probably worse for the human race as a whole over time that these traditions are dead, but these are the cards we're dealt.

You're going off on a tangent and I'm not sure what you're saying has to do with what I said, but I'll bite.

First, I would never sacrifice myself for something doomed to failure. I don't believe in living a life just because you've been told to do so without being provided any good reasons.

That said, the idea that someone commits themselves to "traditionalism" sounds absurd. What is traditionalism? If you think the ideas on this board reflect "traditionalism," then again you just regurgitating cultural relativity propaganda without realizing it.

There is no such thing as "traditionalism." There is truth, and then there is everything else (i.e. bullshit).

People can either follow the truth and prosper, or they can ignore it and die. Nature don't give a fuck about much else.

Calling the past thousand years of Christian history, for example, "traditionalism", when in fact it was a WILDLY successful social experiment of reorganizing human beings on principles ordained from God is to trivialize the fact that there are no records of anything else having ever been created like today's modern world.

People like to pretend that today's world was just a random occurrence, a mere coincidence perhaps, but anyone with half a brain can see that this random occurrence we call "western civilization" has never randomly occurred anywhere else, so the idea it is a mere coincidence must be a bullshit idea. Instead, we arrive at the only other possibility - that the world we live on was because people lived according to the truth, and they prospered for it.

Thus what we see today are people turning away from the truth - men who are destroyed by women because they do not understand their nature, and women who destroy themselves with debauchery - is that society is dying. People follow lies and their lives are destroyed.

Therefore, on a personal level - a man who rebels against today's mountains of lies isn't some dude sacrificing himself for "traditionalism," but instead is refusing to be sacrificed. If you understand that deviating from the truth can only lead to personal ruin and unhappiness - such as trying to get laid by flattering a woman with endless compliments - then today's situation becomes clear.

This is not an issue of trying to preserve "western civilization." This is not an issue of trying to preserve "traditionalism." These are empty catchphrases. This is an issue of preserving yourself. Some people might say that a man who takes care of himself with a good diet and exercise is a health freak. A man who refuses to marry non-virgins is being too picky. A man who lives and dies by standards is too stubborn and rigid.

And you know what? Forget these idiots. They will discover the fruits of their actions soon enough, but that shouldn't deter you from staying out of America's death rot.

Post: #59

This post really bothers me its like men giving up or not adapting. Serious relationships are dead and marriage is too. Everyone here know how nasty men and women can be. That's life, the world is not nice. I think its a certain amount of time after you become red pill you as a man either adjust or become one of the man who is really bitter. I'm probably one of the most luckiest men in America because I have seen what females are since around 7. I have six sisters and a bunch of female cousins they showed me what females really are by a young age. This is not the reason why I joined here to talk about how bad women is but rather gain experience about other areas in my life like game, travel, become a better man, lose weight, and be in a place where men have the same outlook on life as me. I'm a 22 year old male I have accepted that finding a faithful wife, girlfriend, a great mother, are really slim. So what I do, I focus on things I can change and never forget how things can go bad at any minute. I'm living my life to the fullest I love being a human and enjoying the many gifts earth has to offer do you?

Post: #60

(04-24-2015 07:14 PM)Atticus Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 11:23 AM)nek Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 12:20 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  After reading that, does anyone still think their great plan to marry some 18 year old virgin will work out? I wouldn't take that risk and I honestly don't know why it comes up so often.

Totally agree. I don’t think most men understand just how deep that rabbit hole goes. We have been conditioned to think that men and women are basically the same, but there is [b]dark side to the female psyche I have seen again and again. [/b]

Is it OK to introduce an important counter-fact when people are pointing out the drawbacks of women?

Men commit over 5 times as many murders per capita.

Can you find me a "dark side to the female psyche " that's worse than that?
Some argue abortions are homicide, legally at this point it isn't true so that's a separate debate.

And what about the world class murderers? Pick your politics, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot--see a gender pattern there?

Men obtain 97% patents, true, but lets not avoid the elephant in the room about who also does some of the irretrievable damage to society.

Those murdered people are never coming back.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092

"Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides "

So, 15% of murders are by women, 85% by men, bout a 5.3 to 1 ratio.
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On a lighter note, I always loved the Todd Rundgren line about women:
"They may be stupid but they sure are fun."
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Also, you don't have to deal with them if you don't want. I read only 40% of men reproduced in history.
You have no "right" to sex, life is an evolutionary competition. Adapt, migrate or die.

If you don't like them, don't hang around with them. Obviously, they're not going to change.
Being in the wealthy countries not having the coin of the realm (YoungTallCool-or-FamousGame) and looking for women is like being in the arctic and complaining the beaches suck.

Post: #61

(05-03-2015 11:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 07:14 PM)Atticus Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 11:23 AM)nek Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 12:20 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  After reading that, does anyone still think their great plan to marry some 18 year old virgin will work out? I wouldn't take that risk and I honestly don't know why it comes up so often.

Totally agree. I don’t think most men understand just how deep that rabbit hole goes. We have been conditioned to think that men and women are basically the same, but there is [b]dark side to the female psyche I have seen again and again. [/b]

Is it OK to introduce an important counter-fact when people are pointing out the drawbacks of women?

Men commit over 5 times as many murders per capita.

Can you find me a "dark side to the female psyche " that's worse than that?
Some argue abortions are homicide, legally at this point it isn't true so that's a separate debate.

And what about the world class murderers? Pick your politics, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot--see a gender pattern there?

Men obtain 97% patents, true, but lets not avoid the elephant in the room about who also does some of the irretrievable damage to society.

Those murdered people are never coming back.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092

"Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides "

So, 15% of murders are by women, 85% by men, bout a 5.3 to 1 ratio.

On a lighter note, I always loved the Todd Rundgren line about women:
"They may be stupid but they sure are fun."

I don't think it's an 85:15 split when we consider the pussy pass. I don't have access to that study, only the abstract, but there are some questions I have about the methodology. Does that study take into effect homicides which were considered "justifiable," i.e. "He was abusing me for years so I stabbed him in the middle of the night?" What about mothers who kill their children and get "not guilty by reason of insanity?" Are those women counted as committing homicide in that study?

Take for example:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/hea...sanity.ece

I can't believe that a Texas jury would find the father to be not guilty by reason of insanity with an identical fact pattern.

I understand your point, I just don't think the numbers given correctly reflect reality once everything is taken into consideration.

Post: #62

(05-03-2015 11:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Is it OK to introduce an important counter-fact when people are pointing out the drawbacks of women?

Men commit over 5 times as many murders per capita.

Can up fnd me a "dark side to the female psyche " that's worse than that?

And what about the world class murderers? Pick your politics, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot--see a gender pattern there.

Men obtain 97% patents true, but lets not beat around the bush about who also does some of the irretrievable damage to society.

Indeed - but isn't it true that most violent criminals - rapists, serial killers, most violent criminals are raised by single mothers and more than 50% being abused themselves?

http://www.photius.com/feminocracy/facts..._kids.html

The biological family produced way less psychopaths - in the past more due to the terrible living conditions than anything else.

We are a species that is meant to survive together - no doubt about that - both men and women have their own weaknesses they succumb to.

But - and that is a huge but - currently women are encouraged to indulge in any form of their weaknesses while the rules for men have not changed. Only because their transgressions are less directly life-threatening does not mean that they have less severe circumstances. Women are needlessly praised, encouraged to become sluts, become fat, become lazy, excused and coddled every step of the way in the legal system, the media, schools and academia, they are hired preferentially before men, even our entire system is designed to lie to them and optimize their mating strategy of long-term hypergamy maximization, carousel riding and the child-support laws are finishing off the rest.

While part of it was true in the past for women - they always were more protected than men - at least before they had responsibilities of chastity, early motherhood, being married to a man as a responsibility and not just to have a nice white wedding. The men are still expected to behave like that while the girls can run wild.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lad...os-5405033

Male behavior in our times is rather destroyed by being too Beta and effeminate. And that is the problem - we should live in a balanced gender ecosystem of equal responsibilities, control for both genders for both women and men to be able to create a stable and expanding civilization. For men to create that civilization and for women to give us children and make it fun and enjoyable. We are still expected to create and sustain it, but the women are making it a shitty experience for most except those few who are Players or manage to have stable LTR despite it all.

The rest are getting this and it will become worse:



And IK - the murder numbers and violent crimes have been falling in most countries, so men are doing their job.

Post: #63

IKE, of course men are far more violent than women, but that is not relevant here. In a civilized society, the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by a small minority of men; the average man finds an outlet for his aggressive instincts in other activities like sports or hunting or games. Whereas the feminine qualities that are being discussed are ones that characterize the typical female, not a small minority of outliers.

And there is, in any case, very little darkness involved in the taste for violence and bloodsport that most men have to at least some extent; it is a rather simple and innocent instinct for most. Whereas a great many, if not most, women have a surprisingly strong taste for evil and depravity; they relish these things for their own sake and for deep sexual reasons. It is, indeed, very lucky that women are, for the most part, non-violent and physically weak; if this were not the case, the world would be a very different and far more frightening place.

Post: #64

To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.
These single mums or feminists aren't inherently bad people, they have just been fed a load of bullshit, day in, day out from a young age and they frankly don't know any different.

Not taking away responsibility from them at all, as there are many who are despicable people. The point being though, that this is what Anglosphere culture is nowadays. I have seen guys who have went through the effort of learning game and being able to successfully lay attractive women on a regular basis. But in the end of the day they are the ones being fucked by these girls not the other way round. You have a society now which automatically displaces any power that men can have away from them. Women can rationalise, even after sleeping with a player that they were the ones in control.

I don't intend to be depressive, in fact its quite the opposite. In the 21st century and with knowledge such as what you can find of this forum. More so staying in somewhere like the U.K or U.S most of your life and being keen on self improvement will actually increase your value by an enormous amount. The point being is that the Anglosphere is in such a state where PUA material and god knows what is simply giving a painkiller for a brain tumour.

Post: #65

(05-03-2015 06:00 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.
These single mums or feminists aren't inherently bad people, they have just been fed a load of bullshit, day in, day out from a young age and they frankly don't know any different.

Not taking away responsibility from them at all, as there are many who are despicable people. The point being though, that this is what Anglosphere culture is nowadays. I have seen guys who have went through the effort of learning game and being able to successfully lay attractive women on a regular basis. But in the end of the day they are the ones being fucked by these girls not the other way round. You have a society now which automatically displaces any power that men can have away from them. Women can rationalise, even after sleeping with a player that they were the ones in control.

I don't intend to be depressive, in fact its quite the opposite. In the 21st century and with knowledge such as what you can find of this forum. More so staying in somewhere like the U.K or U.S most of your life and being keen on self improvement will actually increase your value by an enormous amount. The point being is that the Anglosphere is in such a state where PUA material and god knows what is simply giving a painkiller for a brain tumour.

Let me add to this. All of this is happening within a specific context, namely the destruction of local communities.

That's come about because of several factors: the collapse of the nuclear family, the removal of mothers from the home into the workplace, and the rise of the corporate state.

In other words, decades ago you couldn't go around behaving like a raging bitch or nasty cad because the local people would call you on it and you'd get labeled and shunned. I know both girls and guys who this happened to.

But now that we're more and more atomized, there's no one to call out people for bad behavior. If you lie to a girl, you no longer get threatened by her dad. If you lie to a guy, you don't get a "reputation" anymore. (In fact, very word "reputation" used to connote something awful, but now means little.)

This is a major reason feminists are trying to expand the definition of rape. Communities no longer socially police behavior so they're trying to get the state to do it.

When you throw the poisonous mainstream media into this mix, you have a disaster for men. That's because you now have women encouraged to live down to their worst instincts but no local influence to reign in that behavior.

I think the community factor in why male/female relations have soured is overlooked, but important. The media does its best to degrade anything with a non-cosmopolitan focus, so intact families and all they conjure are often made fun of in favor of what they term "modern families." But "modern" does not necessarily mean good -- something a lot of people don't find out until after its too late.

Post: #66

(05-03-2015 06:00 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.

The point being is that the Anglosphere is in such a state where PUA material and god knows what is simply giving a painkiller for a brain tumour.

This is essentially the same point I was trying to make earlier. As much as we can improve ourselves and get laid more often, we're still just isolated individuals doing this. I don't think self-improvement and avoiding some pitfalls along the way is really going to change society as a whole, it only really helps on the personal level.

Regarding how this relates to women, we often see talks about "relationship game" or "marriage game" in other parts of the manosphere, but even guys who take that type of knowledge very seriously are still liable to take a big fall at some point down the road. The only guaranteed way to avoid the problems that arise during a relationship or marriage is simply to not engage in those kinds of commitments, which is why the whole MGTOW thing is growing. The risks associated with serious relationships and marriage are just too large, and the likelihood of failure is high.

Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:When you throw the poisonous mainstream media into this mix, you have a disaster for men. That's because you now have women encouraged to live down to their worst instincts but no local influence to reign in that behavior.

I think the community factor in why male/female relations have soured is overlooked, but important. The media does its best to degrade anything with a non-cosmopolitan focus, so intact families and all they conjure are often made fun of in favor of what they term "modern families." But "modern" does not necessarily mean good -- something a lot of people don't find out until after its too late.

This is the point I was making about things not going back to the way they were 50+ years regardless of what way the pendulum might swing politically. Mass media, the internet, smart phones, are all relatively new inventions that help facilitate these issues. Technology never really goes backwards unless you imagine something like a World War III aftermath. We've opened pandora's box with these types of inventions, and the changes they've brought are here to stay. This has caused a fundamental shift in all kind of human relations that we're not going to see go away.

Post: #67

(05-03-2015 08:15 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(05-03-2015 06:00 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.

The point being is that the Anglosphere is in such a state where PUA material and god knows what is simply giving a painkiller for a brain tumour.

This is essentially the same point I was trying to make earlier. As much as we can improve ourselves and get laid more often, we're still just isolated individuals doing this. I don't think self-improvement and avoiding some pitfalls along the way is really going to change society as a whole, it only really helps on the personal level.

Regarding how this relates to women, we often see talks about "relationship game" or "marriage game" in other parts of the manosphere, but even guys who take that type of knowledge very seriously are still liable to take a big fall at some point down the road. The only guaranteed way to avoid the problems that arise during a relationship or marriage is simply to not engage in those kinds of commitments, which is why the whole MGTOW thing is growing. The risks associated with serious relationships and marriage are just too large, and the likelihood of failure is high.

Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:When you throw the poisonous mainstream media into this mix, you have a disaster for men. That's because you now have women encouraged to live down to their worst instincts but no local influence to reign in that behavior.

I think the community factor in why male/female relations have soured is overlooked, but important. The media does its best to degrade anything with a non-cosmopolitan focus, so intact families and all they conjure are often made fun of in favor of what they term "modern families." But "modern" does not necessarily mean good -- something a lot of people don't find out until after its too late.

This is the point I was making about things not going back to the way they were 50+ years regardless of what way the pendulum might swing politically. Mass media, the internet, smart phones, are all relatively new inventions that help facilitate these issues. Technology never really goes backwards unless you imagine something like a World War III aftermath. We've opened pandora's box with these types of inventions, and the changes they've brought are here to stay. This has caused a fundamental shift in all kind of human relations that we're not going to see go away.

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Yeah, now that I think about it, the couples I referenced in my earlier post all met and married long before any of this technology. I should realize it's a different world for someone age 20-30 coming of age and having to deal with this now. I wonder if it would have been the same story with my friends pairing off any marrying at ages 18-22, if they'd come of age today.

I liked it better when high-tech connoted Nintendo, the newest CD player, or those computers that had a whopping 8 MBs of RAM back in '94.

Post: #68

(05-03-2015 08:33 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I liked it better when high-tech connoted Nintendo, the newest CD player, or those computers that had a whopping 8 MBs of RAM back in '94.

Chasin' tail in the 90's was so straight forward. People actually went to the clubs to hookup, and girls in SoCal were pretty aggressive. Then something happened around the turn of the Millennium, and people stopped congregating in large groups. In high school, we'd have field parties, and while there were still clicks (think Dazed and Confused), those micro social groups intermingled. Then the field parties stopped and those specific clicks started having house parties. The settings became very homogeneous. I miss the days where a date consisted of going to Blockbuster for 1 action flick, and 1 chick flick. It was simple.

I dodged most of last decade in a flurry of booze and bullets, and a healthy diet of foreign naivety. This lasted through the first few years of this decade, and because of that hiatus, the change seems so much more sudden in the U.S. Hell, it wasn't until 2011 that I had to learn text game. And my game really hasn't changed in the last 10 years. If anything I probably have less patience and pre-screen a lot harder. And maybe from that I don't see common dating problems others do. Like chicks spending the whole time on a crackberry.

The internet, social media, and smartphones have taken their tolls. It's given people to live in delusion and go full retard. Fat girls can get off by blocking guys on POF, guys pretend they got the bang cause a girl added them on FB, and Billy Bo Bob Beer Belly suddenly became a UFC champ on forums.

I feel blessed to be part of the hybrid generation. At least I was taught the basics, and understand life before the collapse of independent thought. And this is why I believe even down into their early 20's are still chasing me and my mates that are pushing 40. We still have an edge most Millennials can't ever have.

The here and now ain't the end of the world by no stretch of the imagination though. Western culture is still putting out quality breeding stock, and is still available for alpha males. And being alpha now is easier than ever. The competition is at an all time low. Women know this and have to fight harder, become bitter for having to settle for a financee that wears skinny jeans or the ones with glitter on the ass. I know a lot of men in their mid 20's that went to war, returned home, married up 2 points, and aren't having any problems staying that way.


Fuck, lost my train of thought. What was this thread about again?

Post: #69

None of this matters except for what type of man you are going to be, today. How do you plan to thrive despite any problems we see today in society? Whether you are conservative or liberal, its really your call. How you yourself respond, ultimately, is all that matters. And yes, we had field parties too and the sex was hot.

Post: #70

There is a lot of talk of the Nuclear family in this thread, but I see the nuclear family as a broken, less effective, extended family. I think that the stronger your family ties are the better you will do, and what bigger family ties are there than the extended family. I'm admittedly a recluse, but I see the value in having your uncles perform fatherhood duties with your dad, and your aunts and grandmothers helping to raise you.

I feel like that is why so many minority groups (asians come to mind) are able to come to a country and really "take over."

Post: #71

(05-03-2015 11:08 PM)Fortis Wrote:  There is a lot of talk of the Nuclear family in this thread, but I see the nuclear family as a broken, less effective, extended family. I think that the stronger your family ties are the better you will do, and what bigger family ties are there than the extended family. I'm admittedly a recluse, but I see the value in having your uncles perform fatherhood duties with your dad, and your aunts and grandmothers helping to raise you.

I feel like that is why so many minority groups (asians come to mind) are able to come to a country and really "take over."

Well, people talk about nuclear families a lot because you can't begin to have successful extended families if the basic nuclear family isn't being formed.

Post: #72

I suppose it's a bit like a chicken or the egg problem For me. Yeah, you need the two individuals to come together and create it but what about the peripheral members (aunts, uncles and the like). Sure you can do well without either but it's like an army with just a powerful king but no trusted generals.

I do see where you're coming from, though.

Post: #73

(05-03-2015 11:15 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I suppose it's a bit like a chicken or the egg problem For me. Yeah, you need the two individuals to come together and create it but what about the peripheral members (aunts, uncles and the like). Sure you can do well without either but it's like an army with just a powerful king but no trusted generals.

I do see where you're coming from, though.

To the best of my knowledge, successful extended families always start with a "leading" nuclear family.

It's usually one alpha male with a brood of 5 or 6 kids, and he makes a ton of money. Then his kids grow up and have smaller families, of 2-4 kids each, and then this forms the extended family network that can support a huge number of grandchildren. And if any of the alpha's children do not have children themselves, if they were raised to be loyal to their family then these children will become the rich, childless aunt's and uncle's who give lots of support to their nieces and nephews.

But every major extended family network starts somewhere, and if you look through a family history you'll find top alpha dog who started it all solo dolo.

Post: #74

(05-03-2015 06:00 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.
These single mums or feminists aren't inherently bad people, they have just been fed a load of bullshit, day in, day out from a young age and they frankly don't know any different.

A masculine job, financial success does not make you Alpha. You can be Alpha with your job and people may tremble there in front of you. But if you come home and relinquish that frame to your wife, then you are Beta.

I have a friend like that who is the country manager of a major corporation.

Even with Game and full Alpha frame at home there is no guarantee, but there is a much much greater chance. If my friend had not married, then he would have had an even greater hand. Sure - she would have his child and potential child-support, but he could afford that.

If men don't marry now with Westernized women, have Alpha frame, internalized Game, but still hold a stable bond, then their chances are the best to still form a healthy nuclear family. Yeah - we can live alone and hire a surrogate like some MGTOWs, but I don't think that this is healthy for the child - some kind of single dad. Even if you can afford nannies this is just fucked up.

Post: #75

(05-04-2015 01:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-03-2015 06:00 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  To be honest I think the advice given out sometimes to remedy or counter act the problems facing western civilisation is mostly useless. We are talking about some serious forces at work here, mostly the 'free market' which is endorsing all of this anti social behaviour. Whether it is cultural marxism or not, going to the gym five times a week, learning game and banking capital is not going to make you immune from this rubbish.

I have seen guys who are 'alpha' by every definition, making decent money, long standing careers in specialised police/military roles or having their own businesses. They all still suffer from the same issues that the betas who are mocked on here do.
These single mums or feminists aren't inherently bad people, they have just been fed a load of bullshit, day in, day out from a young age and they frankly don't know any different.

A masculine job, financial success does not make you Alpha. You can be Alpha with your job and people may tremble there in front of you. But if you come home and relinquish that frame to your wife, then you are Beta.

I have a friend like that who is the country manager of a major corporation.

Even with Game and full Alpha frame at home there is no guarantee, but there is a much much greater chance. If my friend had not married, then he would have had an even greater hand. Sure - she would have his child and potential child-support, but he could afford that.

If men don't marry now with Westernized women, have Alpha frame, internalized Game, but still hold a stable bond, then their chances are the best to still form a healthy nuclear family. Yeah - we can live alone and hire a surrogate like some MGTOWs, but I don't think that this is healthy for the child - some kind of single dad. Even if you can afford nannies this is just fucked up.

You can maintain a strong internal game but ultimately this is still a lot to ask for, especially if you are in a 30-40 year old marriage, with the eventual stresses this is going to entail. Also a lot of men in the first place who do have strong game/frame, usually see how whimsical the whole thing is and don't take marriage or family seriously.

Im still classed as a young man but if I have any advice for other young men I would say this. Don't take girls seriously in the slightest, just focus on your mission in life. If you see a girl you do like then just approach and I would drum this 'approach, approach' mantra all the time.

There has been a lot of confusion and lies spread between the sexes. But if you can live more naturally, then I truly think that is the path to happiness. I think living a natural masculine lifestyle, even in those feminist hell hole places is still possible. If you are focusing on your mission, you then feel complete and when you approach girls you then feel alive. Its win win.