Post: #51

Exactly my point " game saves lives".....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...U9525.html

"A mother of a schoolmate told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that he had told her daughter he had taken a break from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression.

"Apparently he had a burnout, he was in depression," the woman, whom the paper did not name.

She said her daughter had seen him again just before Christmas and that he had appeared normal. She added he was a "lovely boy". "He had a good family background," she told the paper."

Highly SPECULATIVE translation : The woman's Daughter had friend zoned Andreas because he was a "nice guy" and not one of her alpha FBs. He got depressed ( or was prone to depression) at the rejection of women through his life and this sad chain of events led to mass murder. Elliot Rogers at the controls of an Airbus 320.

Post: #52

Not every tragedy is attributable to "he wasn't getting laid". Let's let the facts come out and see what happened. For all we know, he was a mental case and closet homo with zero interest in women. Stop bringing pussy into everything..

Post: #53

(03-26-2015 10:58 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  Not every tragedy is attributable to "he wasn't getting laid". Let's let the facts come out and see what happened. For all we know, he was a mental case and closet homo with zero interest in women. Stop bringing pussy into everything..

I agree, it could a wide array of things, let's not jump to conclusions....yet.

All we know is selfish fucking asshole took innocent lives with him, he could of saved himself the trouble and committed suicide a million other ways.

Post: #54

(03-26-2015 08:38 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  He must have been a serious Omega male with no ability to pull the ladies, I speculate that his lack of female success led to depression, mental problems and suicidal thoughts. Being good looking and a co- pilot he would have had a good salary, a relatively cushy job and should have been pulling left right and centre.

In this case, I speculate a la Elliot Rogers game would have saved lives.

Like Rogers, I speculate that he hated himself and the world and this was his planned "day of retribution".

Quote:Translation : The woman's Daughter had friend zoned Andreas because he was a "nice guy" and not one of her alpha FBs. He got depressed ( or was prone to depression) at the rejection of women through his life and this sad chain of events led to mass murder. Elliot Rogers at the controls of an Airbus 320.

How about waiting until we get all of the details first before jumping to these kinds of conclusions?

Post: #55

at this point everything is speculation, as Guitarman points out. We´re not jumping to conclusions, just speculating, which is normal.

Post: #56

Thanks Michelin, as I said this is speculation and not jumping to conclusions. But with the co pilots silence in those last 8 minutes before the plane slammed into the mountainside it is impossible to know what his motives were. However, by formulating various theories and seeing how these match up to the facts discovered about his state of mind and life history, I hope that the Aviation authorities can come up with a better method of psychological evaluation for pilots.

Having had a "depression" incident that was severe enough to halt his training has to be a huge red flag. Let's see what else is unearthed.

Post: #57

Some more details about the co-pilot:

Quote:Lubitz, who lived with his parents in the small western German town of Montabour, qualified as a pilot at the Lufthansa training centre in Bremen, and began flying for the airline’s low-cost subsidiary, Germanwings, shortly after completing the course in 2013.

An avid runner who often took part in local races, Lubitz was also registered as a member of a private flight club, LSC Westerwald, in Montabour.

Peter Ruecker, a fellow club member, described Lubitz as upbeat.

"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well,'' Ruecker told the Associated Press. “He was very happy. He gave off a good feeling.”

http://www.france24.com/en/20150326-germ...ce=twitter

We'll see what other details emerge in the following hours and days. I wonder if he had just received some kind of devastating news in the hours before he flew. Something so catastrophic that it overwhelmed him and he short circuited.

I suspect the police will try to subpoena his Facebook account and phone records. I'd imagine there are answers in his inbox.

Post: #58

Is it possible he had an epileptic fit or something while the pilot was going to the bathroom and the pilot ended up locking himself out of the cockpit?

Does the cockpit door auto-lock when it closes or do you have to deliberately lock it?

Post: #59

(03-26-2015 11:03 AM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 08:38 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  He must have been a serious Omega male with no ability to pull the ladies, I speculate that his lack of female success led to depression, mental problems and suicidal thoughts. Being good looking and a co- pilot he would have had a good salary, a relatively cushy job and should have been pulling left right and centre.

In this case, I speculate a la Elliot Rogers game would have saved lives.

Like Rogers, I speculate that he hated himself and the world and this was his planned "day of retribution".

Quote:Translation : The woman's Daughter had friend zoned Andreas because he was a "nice guy" and not one of her alpha FBs. He got depressed ( or was prone to depression) at the rejection of women through his life and this sad chain of events led to mass murder. Elliot Rogers at the controls of an Airbus 320.

How about waiting until we get all of the details first before jumping to these kinds of conclusions?

She called him "a lovely boy" - not what you say about someone you're hot for. I'd say his speculation is plausible, as I read the same thing.

"I'm so depressed, I need some time off flight school"
"You're so nice and lovely, I'm sure if you just be yourself you'll get better"
"I will have my revenge"

Obviously speculating, but things like this have happened before

Post: #60

This is worth repeating:

(03-26-2015 10:09 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  ...
I've never seen a suicide case where the guy was crushing pussies but still chose to end his life. They are all either extremely lonely or in big financial trouble. Although lack of sex might not be the main cause of suicide in all cases, having a sex life with beautiful women almost certainly prevents suicide.

I can't imagine a guy dating a variety of hot women and still becoming a suicidal&homicidal maniac. If he really did crash the plane intentionally, it might have been due to other major pscyhological issues, but he was definitely not getting laid, not as much as he wanted anyway.

Whether issues with women is a symptom or cause of a guy flying into a mountain, what turkishcandy said still applies.

Post: #61

I'm trying to really keep my emotions in check as the news trickles out and read RVF interpretations of the guy's actions and what other people say about him.

As the others say, it is all speculation at this point. I hope there is a thorough by-the-book investigation and once completed, that there is a full disclosure on what had happened. Somehow I doubt this will happen, because some people don't want the full and complete truth to come out.

If we are right, and the guy committed suicide because he had no game and the girls rejected him, it's really going to fucking piss me off at how feminism drove society to this point. I would place full blame on fanatical feminists as well as the guy who takes innocent lives with him when killing himself.

Post: #62

If you are flying this year make sure your affairs are in order before departing. Make sure to kiss your mother and do whatever you need to do etc.

Post: #63

Why speculate about feminism and whether or not he was getting laid? Let us deal with the facts we have and go from there. The personal details will come out.

I find it sad that the post Sept 11 anti-intrusion measures were used to aid an act of evil rather than to help the good. There's a lot of misunderstanding out there about the level of security of those doors. Yes, someone on the flight deck who knows how can deny entry indefinitely, and no there wasn't a chance it was getting broken down - those things are tested against grenades, you aren't breaking that kind of barrier down in 10 hours midair, nevermind 10 minutes.

Post: #64

Maybe the pilot had a meltdown over Greece exploiting money from Germany? This might just be the tip of the iceberg. I'll be taking trains for awhile.

Post: #65

He lived with his parents at the age of 28. Usually not a good sign especially for a guy making airline pilot money.

This may come across as trolling, fine - any person I have met really into long distance running has had a screw loose. I really am not kidding about this.

Post: #66

CNN Wrote:German Pilots Cast Doubt on Blaming of Co-Pilot for Crash

German pilots reacted with anger and confusion on Thursday after French and German statements said the co-pilot on the Germanwings crash earlier this week deliberately slammed the plane into the French Alps, killing all 150 people on board. Stunned at the revelations, some pilots believe that the authorities are eager to find a culprit to blame, before the relevant facts are known. “It is a very, very incomplete picture,” says James Phillips, international affairs director of the German Pilots Association, speaking on the phone to TIME late Thursday. He said his own reaction was “angry.” “I have the feeling that there was a search for a quick answer, rather than a good answer,” he said.

In a chilling press briefing on Thursday, the Marseille public prosecutor Brice Robin charged with investigating Tuesday’s crash told reporters that the plane’s 28-year-old co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, deliberately flew the plane into a mountain while he was alone in the cockpit. His far more seasoned captain, Patrick Sonderheimer, had apparently left for a toilet break, and when Sonderheimer knocked on the cockpit door to come back in, Lubitz refused to open the door. Instead, he took the Airbus A320 plane steadily downwards at 3,000 feet per minute, until it slammed into the Alpine ravine, pulverizing the aircraft and killing 144 passengers and six crew members. Robin said Lubitz had “a willingness to destroy the aircraft.” Shortly after, Lufthansa CEO Carten Spohr and the German Transportation Minister each told reporters that they had concluded, based on Robin’s account, that Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane.

Phillips, who spoke to several members of the pilots’ association immediately after Robin’s press briefing, said they were “very, very confused,” and that the Marseille prosecutor, who is charged with investigating the crash, “raised more questions than he had answered.”

Chief among those questions is why the captain, who spent several minutes banging frantically on the cockpit door, did not use an emergency code, designed to override the system those inside the cockpit use to let someone in. “We all agree that the captain left the cockpit,” says Phillips. “But we have an emergency access code to get into the cockpit. That was not mentioned,” he said. Other pilots believe that the person within the cockpit can override any attempt to gain entry from outside.

Airbus has a YouTube video to instruct A320 crew members about what to do if one of them is trying to get inside the cockpit, but those inside do not open. According to the video, the crew would tap an emergency code on the keypad outside the cockpit door, setting off a 30-second alarm inside the cockpit, until the door opens for just five seconds, allowing the person to enter.

Robin said he was sure Lubitz was conscious, since the audio on the cockpit voice recorder has him breathing normally throughout the 10-minute descent into the mountains, until the moment of impact. But pilots are not convinced that the breathing sounds meant he was able to open the door to Sonderheimer. “Was he conscious? Could he open the door?” Phillips asked. “The prosecutor did not provide answers to that.”

With attention now focused on Lubitz’s mental state, Germanwings crew members who flew with the rookie pilot just days before Tuesday’s crash say he seemed totally normal. “We’ve spoken to crew that flew with him a few days before, and say he was relaxed and very normal,” Phillips says. “He was not acting in any way strange. He was friendly and outgoing, and there was never any sign that anyone should be concerned about.”

The International Federal of Airline Pilots Associations, or IFALPA, condemned the leaks of the cockpit voice recorder or CVR on Thurdsay, saying that it violated long-established practices after plane crashes, where details are kept confidential until the investigation is complete. “Leaks of this nature greatly harm flight safety since they invite ill-informed speculation from the media and general public and discourage cooperation with investigators in future accidents,” said a statement from the Montreal-based organization. “The sole purpose of a CVR is to aid investigators… not to apportion blame.”

http://time.com/3760283/germanwings-germ...sociation/

Called it. Didn't even take them 12h!

(03-25-2015 09:34 PM)Professor Fox Wrote:  Pilot unions have a vested incentive to defend the pilot at all costs, which has been seen countless times in history anytime an incident investigation even hinted at the pilot as a factor.

I don't blame them reacting in a primarily emotional rather than logical way, it is only natural to not want to be associated with a mass murderer. Going to be real hard to sell the medical emergency line though, when data shows the autopilot deliberately set to descend into the mountains.

Post: #67

Yes, door deliberately locked, auto pilot descent button deliberately pressed. Deliberately ignored the the pilots desperate banging at the door and asking to be let in.

Automobile manufacturers are now developing automatic collision avoidance systems. I'm surprised that such systems and software were not available on aircraft years ago.

Post: #68

Quote:He lived with his parents at the age of 28. Usually not a good sign especially for a guy making airline pilot money.

That's actually pretty normal in Germany.

Post: #69

(03-26-2015 01:08 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  He lived with his parents at the age of 28. Usually not a good sign especially for a guy making airline pilot money.

This may come across as trolling, fine - any person I have met really into long distance running has had a screw loose. I really am not kidding about this.

Airline pilot money is not so great when you are just starting out. It's not like it used to be years ago when you could pull 6 figures. Now starting salaries are fairly low, at least on regional airlines in the states.

Post: #70

(03-26-2015 01:36 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Quote:He lived with his parents at the age of 28. Usually not a good sign especially for a guy making airline pilot money.

That's actually pretty normal in Germany.

Interesting, the handful of Germans visiting in California I've met here said rent in Germany is low compared to wages and many people in college and beyond have their own 1 bedroom with little need for roommates.

Maybe I am receiving misinformation.

Post: #71

(03-26-2015 01:34 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  Automobile manufacturers are now developing automatic collision avoidance systems. I'm surprised that such systems and software were not available on aircraft years ago.

Aircraft have had TAWS systems for decades via enhanced GPWS. These systems warn the pilots of approaching terrain. I'm sure these warnings went off during the decent and are on the flight recorder. They were ignored by the copilot it seems.

Modern aircraft already have systems that prevent pilots to make certain control inputs that would jeopardize the plane. They also have stick shakers to highly discourage bad control movements. The problem with having computers take complete control is that they are not infallible. For example, if any of the static ports are clogged then the flight systems will have incorrect data and try to crash the plane itself. We have to be careful not to overreact like putting the reinforced doors after 911 and replace pilots with avionics.

A simple requirement for international airlines that two people must be in the cockpit at all times (as it is currently for US based airlines) would go a long way to reduce these types of problems. I'm surprised after the previous pilot suicide cases that this change isn't already in effect. It wouldn't increase costs so I'm not sure what the airline pushback is.

Post: #72

(03-26-2015 01:39 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Interesting, the handful of Germans visiting in California I've met here said rent in Germany is low compared to wages and many people in college and beyond have their own 1 bedroom with little need for roommates.

Maybe pilot training is amazingly expensive and he had student debt.

Post: #73

Hopefully this man does not get prematurely Lynched by the world, including us. Investigations will ultimately prove what was in his mind. Who knows they may find some twisted manifeto or suicide note on his computer. The blackbox recording must be released for proof.

I took some flying lessons many years ago. My instructor jokingly told me that should I ever pursue a career in flying to always survive a crash so I can tell my side of the story. Otherwise the airline companies will sure as shit pin it on you. It's a hell of a lot better for business to have a plane go down at the hands of a piss poor pilot than a mechanical malfunction. Though the story of a young pilot going mad and flying the plane into the ground isnt good for business either. Questionable hiring practices. Needless to say I prefer my feet on the ground.

Post: #74

Quote:Robin said he was sure Lubitz was conscious, since the audio on the cockpit voice recorder has him breathing normally throughout the 10-minute descent into the mountains, until the moment of impact. But pilots are not convinced that the breathing sounds meant he was able to open the door to Sonderheimer. “Was he conscious? Could he open the door?” Phillips asked. “The prosecutor did not provide answers to that.”

Not sure what to make of that statement. If the guy was conscious and hurtling towards the ground at 500mph, knowing he was about to die and murder 160 innocent people in the process, I'd imagine his breathing wouldn't be "normal." He'd probably be hyperventilating like a motherfucker.

On the other hand, if he was unconscious and blissfully unaware of the impending fireball, then he may well have been breathing normally. But this is all speculation, we have no idea what kind of breathing patterns they heard in the black box, or even if the French civil servant used the correct semantics when he labeled the breathing as "normal."

Post: #75

(03-26-2015 01:36 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Quote:He lived with his parents at the age of 28. Usually not a good sign especially for a guy making airline pilot money.

That's actually pretty normal in Germany.

They also reported that he further had his own flat in Düsseldorf.